Next Steps For The Euro?

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Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:52 | 2018697 goldencross10
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euro= new spam

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:00 | 2018726 Clam McCain
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PM longs are frying in hell

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:15 | 2018765 spiral_eyes
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Why am I still up over 100%, then?

$1900, $1500, $1000, $5000 who cares where we are in the short term. The dollar and UST is the real bubble, and it's bursting.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:17 | 2018770 Tense INDIAN
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Silver is in a bear market is in a spot of bother too...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:51 | 2018855 jekyll island
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Very thin trading, end of year selling to take profits or losses if they bought before the plunge.  Net short positions on COMEX for commercial traders remain very low and ECB and Fed are stealth printing on the way to overt QE4.  Silver is on sale, the fundamentals have not changed.  This is the blood in the streets part:  do you buy more now?  I think yes, PMs are the only safe haven we have from central planning and the bankers know it.  They will lose control with more printing and PMs will rise, it is inevitable.  

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:55 | 2018871 doggings
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PM longs are frying in hell

lol, not exactly, long physical since 2009 (about 100% up still) and short leveraged paper gold and silver since about 4 weeks ago 

laughing my tits off, bring it on bankstas.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:05 | 2018916 disabledvet
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It is possible for Team America to go back on a gold standard.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:37 | 2019017 Elwood P Suggins
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Nah it's much more fun on the plastic standard.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 00:31 | 2021018 ThrivingAdmistC...
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It's closer to a smoke and mirrors standard by now.  Our economy is backed by nothing except military might and money printing.  The economic collapse is going to be inevitable.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 17:56 | 2020458 smiler03
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Who knows, certainly not me? Wouldn't Gold have to go to something like $30000/oz first?

If so it seems as likely to me as the second coming of that chap from the Middle East. 

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:53 | 2018703 AngryGerman
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round and round and down the toilet

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:09 | 2018753 GeneMarchbanks
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Round & round but we never quite get flushed do we? You sauerkrauts are lovin' this with your neo-mercantalist play-acting. I don't blame ya...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:30 | 2018994 disabledvet
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Until all are home.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:55 | 2018708 jcia
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Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:55 | 2018711 LookingWithAmazement
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The Fed is printing, do not announce it. The TMS shows an exponential rise. But the dollar does not fall, not even against gold. So no new spike in the PMs.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:08 | 2018751 scatterbrains
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Would be interesting to view a gold chart quartely closing line chart (takes out all the bs manipulation swings) overlaid on this TMS chart.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:55 | 2018712 valley chick
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print = end game?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:06 | 2018744 Sudden Debt
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Print = beginning :)
At least as my pm's concern. I'm down 140k since the silver top of 50$. I should have bought some puts back than. When they recover, that will be exactly what i'll do. Puts at 40, 50, 60.....

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:21 | 2018777 valley chick
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so with printing should be inflation which = rise in value of PM's ? 

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:32 | 2018795 Havana White
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Thu, 12/29/2011 - 20:24 | 2020689 smiler03
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If only

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 11:20 | 2019165 hamurobby
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I would be rich if my hindsight was foresight.


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 20:26 | 2020694 smiler03
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If my shortsight was longsight I could see what I was doing

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:00 | 2018727 hourglass86
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Fiscal Union under the ECB is the only solution at the moment. Low interest rates, inflation will save the Euro at least short term. With the help of the ECB, nations deep in debt will be able to ''breath'' and put their houses in order. Everything else is very risky and proly gonna fail.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:08 | 2018750 Sudden Debt
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At 2 jan. They can start printing as the indexes won't give them any problomes according to inflation for 6 to 9 months

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:03 | 2018736 laspeyres
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This correlation will not persist. The Fed's QE had an obvious depressing effect on the dollar. The Feb bought market instruments off a wide range of institutions and some of them chose to take the proceeds and re-invest outside the US. This pushed the $ down and others amplified the trend by doing $ carry trades etc. ECB balance sheet expansion is totally different. It is 100% directed to the Eurozone banks. This has no obvious FX implications. The banks get cheap funding from the ECB at a time when they need it. There is no reason to believe that the expansion of the ECB's balance sheet itself will depress the Euro. 

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:33 | 2018799 Sean7k
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Money creation and credit creation ALWAYS have FX implications. Even when they are used to mask deleveraging and deflation. The money will get out, especially as Greece, et al threaten default that begins a derivative run. The market is just pricing it in.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 14:47 | 2019856 laspeyres
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Don't be an idiot. European banks are in the midst of a trillion dollar deleveraging. Deposits are flooding out and they have lost market access. ECB funding to them will replace some of these source and that's it. There will be no money multiplier and no credit creation. 


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 15:21 | 2019992 Sean7k
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Don't be a moron,

Debt still has to be resolved. It just doesn't disappear. Somewhere, there is a haircut, a loss, a carry trade, etc- all of which affect FX.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:03 | 2018738 Sudden Debt
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At least it will be good for our export.... If we actually made stuff...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 20:50 | 2020721 smiler03
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Sudden Debt,

I was priviledged to live in Brussels for 15 months. One thing I am quite certain of is that you make the finest quality and range of Beer in the world. You do make stuff :O)

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:07 | 2018748 Dick Darlington
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The unelected has spoken once again:



*MONTI SAYS EUROPE MUST NOT GIVE UP MODEL OF SOCIAL WELFARE (but he said it's unaffordable. Me confused...)


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:10 | 2018756 Sudden Debt
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A healthy dose of nationalisme will take care of that...
Wat if we kicked out.... You know... Them...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:15 | 2018768 GeneMarchbanks
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Can't we all just... not get along.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:23 | 2018781 valley chick
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and then they can plan another plan for a summit...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:34 | 2018801 Sean7k
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They'll change his name to Montilini.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:38 | 2018817 Havana White
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Must not give up "model of"...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:36 | 2018808 youngandhealthy
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It will fall because relative rates v.s. US will come down with the reduced inflation.

But Tyler can continue looking in the CB's balance-sheet-tea-leaves if he wish.

The result will be the same.


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:57 | 2018881 Non Passaran
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Reduced inflation in where? And why?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:41 | 2019030 Rynak
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He's an economist. Economists do not know, that economic health, the balance-sheets of banks, and monetary base, are three different things, that can go into opposite directions at the same time.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:56 | 2018877 XtraBullish
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forget the Euro - what next for your precious gold and silver? The ZeroHedge "Silver Bitches" are getting fried, bbq'd, torched, immolated, gooned....and with very little hope in store. Just buy the E/S and a few cars of wheat and you will all be fine.

Silver to $10!!! Yeehah!

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 09:59 | 2018890 Non Passaran
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What are you talking about?

I'm going to buy 100 oz in 31 minutes.

Silver, bitchez!

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:42 | 2019035 Rynak
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Robo got a new account?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 21:02 | 2020732 smiler03
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Member for 8 weeks 3 days, Maybe!


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 20:59 | 2020727 smiler03
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I bought ETF silver recently, Nov 12th 11, but I can't touch my investment for at least 4 years (UK SIPP). I hate to admit it but I am not worried in the slightest, quite excited actually! Nerr nerr na nerr nerr :O)

Edit: I can sell whenever I like.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:06 | 2018920 nolla
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Regarding CB's balance sheets and the reflexion to the real economy (posted this already on another thread...maybe nobody cares about)

Ok, anyone, tell me what is the transfer mechanism of ECB's balance sheet expansion into inflation?

As we know, ECB's balance sheet has expanded by about 600bn this year --> what is required for expansion to be visible in inflation AND M3 AND credit expansion?

Latest figures (Nov): M3 declined to 2,0% y/y (exp. 2,8) and credit growth slowed down to 1,7 from 2,5 in late summer.


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 11:38 | 2019208 youngandhealthy
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I don't know nolla...but look no further than to US or UK since they have allready walked this way.

US current inflation rate 3.4%. FED fund 0,25%. Real rate of -3.15%. UK current inflation rate 5%. ROE rate = 0,5%. Real rate=-4.5%

EMU current inflation rate 3% ECB= 1%.. Real rate = -2%

And the real rates has been negative for years

EMU and UK  slightly falling, US stable.

GOLD will come down as well as EUR


Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:09 | 2018929 pineyard
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Excellent ! More of this .. I as a EUROPEAN say !

This will make the Balance Sheats of EUROPE ... even better





Even better : it will not hurt Europes Debt problems ..because Europe ows its debt ..mainly to itself

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:12 | 2018936 chistletoe
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Workers anonymous are not unemployed.  They are all on strike.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:42 | 2019036 XtraBullish
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The Gold trade is DEAD...silver headed to $10. Buy high-quality common stocks with yield and global exposure and a few cars of wheat and you will thrive in 2012. Time to put the tinfoil hats back in storage.

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