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Is That A NIRP In Your Pocket Or Is Gold Just Happy To See Negative Rates?
Gold and Silver are spiking once again, after experiencing quite a roller-coaster ride of rips and dips in the last week or so but this latest spike is suggesting the market's concerns at NIRP is growing. Moments ago, when noting the recent drive for NIRP at the ECB, we noted, that "once [the EUR747 billion in ECB deposits] has to pay to stay, it is certain that nearly $1 trillion in deposit cash, currently in electronic format, would flood the market." Judging by the dramatic move in gold in the last few minutes, at least the PMs appear to already be discounting just such a move.
Chart: Bloomberg
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do they make this up every morning?? take a poll to see what the favorite rumor should be today??.id short it here..
Yes, negative interest rates are always the signal to go short real things and long bonds. After all, you might even get almost all your money back (long as they're not Greek, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, any bank,....) and you'll be doing your bit to help bail out the banks and pay off sovereign debt.
NIRP = No Interest Rate Policy?
Negative Interest Rate Policy
Almost the same thing these days though...
i have negative interest in negative interest
Anybody understand how the EUR can gain against the INR in this environment and if that will impact gold buying habits in India.. ?
Anybody understand how the EUR can gain against the INR in this environment and if that will impact gold buying habits in India.. ?
NIRPS is PERPS in my book.
PERPle NIRPles
The punchline for the goldbug's joke is this:
Watch what happens to the price of PMs WHEN the remaining 99% of money begins to flow into gold & silver.
the chart is bearish.
Yeah, traditional bearish argument against gold is that it costs money to hold it, because of storage fees, etc... Wonder how that argument's working out now?
The, "It costs money to store it" argument I have always thought was particularly weak. If one has enough money to buy physical gold it seems to me one would probably have any number of other things that would require safe keeping; documents, deeds, titles, firearms, heirlooms, etc. So, the "cost" of storing gold is simply discounted against the need for safe keeping in general; as an ongoing necessity for multiple reasons.
(a) Gold has less counterparty risk than the ECB
(b) Gold has more counterparty risk than the ECB
Now please remind me why I would pay the ECB for their help?
That's a good point Trump.
But if, on the other hand you have a pile of potentially worthless fiat, NatWest might hold it for you at no charge... - not very appealing given their current problems! You'd be a lot better off paying to keep something real safe!
Storage fees, summarized.
Money invested at NIRP is similar to having dry ice. Eventually it all evaporates. Or, as one might have heard on South Park, "...and...it's gone!"
On the other hand, the stack of PMs under my mattress will not evaporate. I'll have the same amount tomorrow as I have today. I just wish there was enough under my mattress to make sleeping uncomfortable.
Up one day, down the next. Totally psycho market dominated by conviction-less F12 punching futures traders hoping to "make a killing".
More like BIS/JPM naked short sellers.
I always thought you are a trader hoping to "make a killing".
I always hoped he was a trader/traitor going to get killed.
Anyone know a decent website for gold, FX, commodities prices, etc?
24gold sux big bags of shit now.
www.forexpros.com
Bloomberg is comprehensive if you don't need real time or don't have access...
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/
Everything in one place.
Kitco.
Options expiry over. PM's now allowed to show some semblance of an actual free market.
Bottom not in yet, have some patience.
Follow the yellow brick road...
Dorothy's slippers were originally silver and it was thaught the symbolism was too strong and changed to ruby!
Guys, here's another way to look at NIRP:
-Destroys whatever safe source of income Euro banks still had access to: 25bps
-Forces banks to charge on deposits or not to accept deposits, exactly at a time when deposits are the only genuine source of funds they have: Equity has been wiped out, unsecured debt is non-existent/subordinated, collateral has been pledged and downgraded....so...deposits are their last source. But policy makers, in their wisdom, are going to ensure that the banks can't even rely on deposits....
Not sure this should be bullish of gold at all. If banks go belly up and counterpart risk explodes, margin clerks are going to dump all the gold they can.
what am I missing? metals still look like a shit sandwich today...
http://moneymorning.com/2012/06/27/while-banks-crumble-next-leg-up-for-gold-prices-draws-near/
Like real rates weren't negative already. ECB should shut up and make it happen, I'm getting bored.
one year chart dollar
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/.DXY/tab/2
one year chart silver
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/SICV1/tab/2
The trend is not your friend for silver. Absolute nose dive 1 yr chart.
Charts are useless in a manipulated market.
Who cares where the bernark pissed in the snow.
I don't consider that little move to be a "spike". Gold is still tracking the dow in lock step at an 8:1 ratio.
Wake me when this relationship again decouples and drops to something more like 6:1 or lower.
Thanks, everytime I see the gold chart spike up or down I now somethings happened. I always come to ZH to find out what it was.
best blog on the net and I follow a lot: http://bulletsbeansandbullion.blogspot.co.uk/
Barney reports sighting of a purple NIRPle.
I don't think NIRP will happen, as it's too dorky an ancronym
I'd like to formally submit to the Tylers that "NIRP" now be called "Roshambo" (Rochambeau) in honor of Eric Cartman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjoXsL311bg&feature=youtu.be&t=27s
"Gold and Silver are spiking once again"
WTF???? Are you high or doing handstands? It's not about liking gold or not, it's just about facing the music. Facts are facts. Gold is absolutely not spiking up.
bing bing, last call for gdxj! about to leave the station.......
......mabee?
How does anyone have the balls to make a statement like this:?
"indicating the real estate industry is firming three years after the start of the economic recovery."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-27/pending-sales-of-u-s-homes-clim...
Based on what I am looking at Gold has been in a clear cut downtrend since August. There was a parabolic move in July and August and a blow off top. Since then it has stayed within a descending channel despite all the reasons why it makes sense to buy it and QEuphoria. Don't get me wrong I agree with all of the reasons consistently stated here at ZH but the chart is what it is. I'll wait to get back in long.
The channel, the chart is a painted picture.