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No Dead Cat Bounce In Spanish Home Price Which Collapse 12% In August
Despite the exuberance in Spanish equity and bond markets (which in the US managed to create a quadruple-dip bounce), home prices just can't get a break in the troubled bailout-less nation. According to TINSA, the general home price in Spain fell 11.6% YoY, and has recent reaccelerated with a 2.8% drop sequentially as hope for a third-time's-the-charm bounce now faded for the forelorn real estate market. The Mediterranean Coast suffered the most, -14.7% YoY (and are down a cumulative 39.5% from the highs). Overall, Spanish house prices are down a cumulative 32.4% from the December 2007 highs (back to 2003 levels). This re-acceleration of the downturn in home prices is hardly what the Dreme is made of as bank balance sheets come under further pressure; deposit outflows will simply not stop until there is underlying improvement in bank collateral, i.e. mortgages and housing values; and so in effect, all this news indicates is that bank balance sheets are even more impaired than previously believed (tourniquet or amputation?).
The quadruple-dip of the Spanish real estate market...
which is now back to 2003 levels...
Charts: TINSA
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The cat didn't bounce? Never seen that before!
Please Tyler and everyone
Stop using that horrid, ugly and cruel 'dead cat bounce' phrase
It is painful to many of us animal lovers
Cats are among the world's wonderful creatures ... if you have never known the love of a cat you are deprived of one of life's great joys
Why be so sadistic regarding little creatures who are like babies in our arms
Please do banish that awful phrase
Sure....now you just have to tell CNBC.
I like cats too. They're good in stir fry.
The love of a cat???
The two that my daughters have saddled me with over the years don't seem particularly emotional.
They are loyal as long as the cat food isn't late.
In that they seem to resemble Congresscritters.
dead fed head bounce?
The housing market ,and any other market,will continue to seek it's natural level now matter how much money they throw at it. How hard is that to comprehend?
How hard is that to comprehend?
Can I use my "phone a friend" now?
They can just print money, to devalue the currency, which nominally drives up asset prices and strengthens the bankßs balance sheet, problem solved. (for everyone but the rest of us)
They can just print money
Wow....they can actually do that?
That will only work for so long. If they print too much the currency market blws up. Japan has been printing for 20+ years and their housing and stock market is still deflating.
That will only work for so long.
....only need a couple more minutes.
Surely those PhD economist central bankers have thought of that... I´m also fairly confident the BOJ head swaps notes with Bernanke and Draghi at their regular BIS get togethers.
(The tricky part is how to do it without triggering those hundreds of trillions in interest rate derivatives as inflation hedges... never mind, they have ZIRP & NIRP for that, house of cards stabilized)
Asking prices are down 32.4% since Dec 2007.
To sell you need to go to 50% and then pray that you can find a muppet.
I wonder what price they show on the banks books ????? My bet is 100%.....
This is why a Troika audit scares everyone to death. If the Spanish MBS' are accuratly valued the entire banking system goes tits up.
...If the Spanish MBS' are accuratly valued the entire banking system goes tits up...
that has huge bunga bunga potential for juiced up Oligarchs with their lolly sitting in Caymanista land!
Land of financlal rape squared opens up like a reclining naked Maya, as those DSK type apes go berserk planet wise in their acquisitive sprees.
Whatever falls to foggy bottom gets picked up.
Its just a question of timing : KAiros moment.
With "dynamic provisioning" it could be as high as 125%!
The rain in Spain falls mainly on the coast
I thought that clown Sheldon Adelson was going to buy up all that RE and build his new Euro-Vegas in Madrid.
Isn't that part of the Draghi dreme package?
What the world needs is more Adelson casinos and Forex trading! That's true wealth creation for you.
This model of capitalism was built on an iconic message entitled : The wealth of NAtions!
Look only to Draghi, Ben, Adelson and Forex and you will have understood it!
Wealth of nations as it cauldron bubbles in front of our eyes!
Just like the overall economy, the house prices are on their way back to pre-euro levels. Unfortunately the overall debt, which caused everything to go up, is not.
IBEX really couldn't care less, so far.
UPDATED: http://blog.quantsig.net/2012/09/11/ibex/
El Gato Muerto
but, but, but......spain's 10 yr is under 6%. i thought that meant everything was fixed. no more recession in the US or europe and China has resumed its 15% annual growth. i cant be wrong. the intelligent folks on cnbc said we are good.
You can only throw them down so many times before they just stick to the floor.
(tourniquet or amputation?).
Guillotine method?
Spain is phuqued, no matter how you slice it:
http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/actual-spanish-financing-ne...
http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/actual-spanish-financing-ne...
Australia House Prices plunge 10%...
Luckily, "the bottom is in," rumor has it:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/breaking-news/house-prices-flat...
Prices plunge? Where? Over what time interval did this 'plunge' occur?
The link you provided said this:
and;
i.e. no price plunge is evident, on the contrary, the tread in recent months is towards flat-lining, as the price decline slowed to almost nothing, but actually had a small NET rise occur over the past 3-months (certaily no larger than sample error I expect).
And then there's this:
Does that look like a price plunge?
I'm still trying to work out where this -10% price plunge figure you mentioned factors-in, as the linked is evidently not the source.
He might be referring to Steve Keen's article from thebull.com.au:
Real house prices have fallen 10% since June 2010
http://www.thebull.com.au/articles/a/28048-australian-house-prices-down-...
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2012/05/01/australian-house-prices-do...
If the median house price (Australia) is about $500,000 there is instability there since the median salary is only about $63,000.
http://www.payscale.com/research/AU/Country=Australia/Salary
My realtor says a price:income ratio > 4 = unaffordability. He says ideally it should be between 2 and 3. Higher then that and it is unsustainable, he says.
BTW, Here is some info for median house prices down under:
http://apm.com.au/
It does look as if the prices are "flat" for the last few months.
The real question is how much further will China's slowdown result in job layoffs, cancellation of projects, and a dropoff in Aussie exports? How much of the Aussie economy depends on resource industry and construction? I almost bought a place in Sydney in 2000. Wish I had. Now I have to wait probably ten years before prices regress to the mean there.
When comparing median price to income ratios, you need to use median household income...not median salary. The "good old days" of single income families that were relevant to your realtor's rule of thumb are long past....
There's still loads of shit sitting on those bank books which they refuse to dump on the market. You really don't want to realise those "non-booked" losses. But hey, who gives a shit, Spanish bank shares roaring as Draghi has their backs covered.
Dow +69. SCOREBOARD. Damn I'm sick of this.
Spain is somewhat similiar to the US: vacation and 2nd home bubble that burst.
http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/housing-blues-spainish-house-prices-double-dip-us-house-prices-are-starting-to-rise-at-least-in-summer-months/
Wow--12%.
Only 80% more to go...