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"No Fly Zone" Over Syria Imminent?
Roughly six months after the imposition of the No Fly Zone over Libya, which ultimately led to the liberation of the country's Light Sweet Crude and the placement of an Eni SpA executive (Italy's largest oil company) as Libya's oil minister and also had a side effect of getting Gaddafi murdered in broad daylight by the reformed freedom fighters, the script is about to be rewound from the beginning, and a few thousand miles east, this time next to explosive powderkeg Syria. Albawaba news, which cites Kuwait's al Rai daily, reports that Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians. In other words, foreign countries will take it upon themselves to do what only America has done with impunity so far: decide what is best for a given sovereign nation's population. Granted, we have yet to verify the credibility of both Al Bawaba and Al Rai, although at first blush they appear substantially more credible than Debka-type fly by night operations. Which then leads to a sobering conclusion: if indeed Europe and the Western world is dead set upon an aerial campaign above Syria, then all eyes turn to the East, and specifically Russia and China, which have made it very clear they will not tolerate any intervention. And naturally the biggest unknown of all is Iran, which has said than any invasion of Syria will be dealt with swiftly and severely. Then again, the Iranian war foreplay has gone on for far too long at this point that we have gotten to where headlines about the "imminent" Iranian war are almost as ignored as headlines about how "Europe is bailed out" all over again.
From Al Bawaba:
Senior European sources said that Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians.
The sources told Kuwait's al Rai daily that the no fly ban will include a ban on the movement of Syrian military vehicles, including tanks, personnel carriers and artillery, adding that this move would aim at curbing the movement of Assad forces, and cripple their ability to bomb cities. The European sources said the no fly ban might lead to the paralysis of the Syrian regime forces "in less than 24 hours."
Meanwhile, it is reported that the leadership of the Turkish General Staff informed all the concerned parties with the Syrian issue its rejection of the idea that the Turkish army would launch any invasion to the Syrian territory including the area adjacent to the Turkish border to establish a "buffer zone" to protect civilians fleeing the violence.
Perhaps "buffer zone" in the Farsi translates as Lebensraum. Pardon us while we look it up.
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You assume 4 converted Ohio class cruise missle dumping subs won't each dump 100+ cruise missiles each on all those nifty sunburns, not to mention cruisers/destroyers loads in the area. Hell of a way to spend a billion dollars in 30 minutes. Just saying.
I don't doubt you for a second that they will attempt to shoot down the moskit/sunburns with cruise missles, ram guns, whatever the fuck they think might work; however, how does a cruise missle going subsonic shoot down something going 2-3 mach? The ram guns will have less than 10 seconds to target, as will anything else. Cruise missles hang out in mid-air, they could be susceptible if someone was smart enough. The moskit/sunburn is 15-30 feet off the ground, doing evasive manuevers, however. But I don't doubt they will attempt to shoot them down. With your scenario we have 100 cruise missles at 1m-2m apiece trying to shoot down 1 $5m missile. The cruise missiles will run out fast at that burn rate. It looks like we finally made our own supersonic missile, around 10 years after them. However they are not deployed, merely testing still. And yeah a half billion in a few minutes, if we're lucky the tab will be that small. Cheers.
I do not believe our cruise missiles can shoot down other cruise missiles. The sunburns will go boom before they ever leave their tubes.
But there is always the risk some of these 'burns get hid well enough that they are launched. Navy has a new short range interceptor missile on ships (not sure how it matches to sunburns), Phalanx, Navy Standard Missile Block 3 or higher, and a few other things that might not be in the general knowledge.
Also sunburn operators can't target subs, which will be first in with drones and electronic warfare planes in the air begging Syrian operators to turn on their sensors. Flip the on switch go boom.
Insurance cancelled on sunburn missile operators. Just saying.
uh, you just really don't want to do this. i promise you.........
Very true Mr Drifter. Very true.
No doubt they have War-Gamed it.
But if the bombs start dropping this game is for keeps.
"They" really don't want to do this.
But I doubt that that will stop them.
........
Sounds easy except that Syria is ranked 5th in the world for AAircraft weapons- has 4900 tanks-- 830 aircraft and around 25,000 land weapons---looks like some jetjockeys will be splashed on both sides--- THIS IS NOT GOOD.
ITS TIME TO KICK THE CLOWNS IN DC OUT
the syrians have a well trained and experienced army. they do not have conscripts who ride around in trucks with anti aircraft guns on the back. this is not their first rodeo. they use modern fighting techniques. which means small fighting teams.... when the stuff hits the fan, they will circle the wagons and fight as one. there will be many losses. the syrians have a sampson option like the israelis do. these bastards are lunatics. you just really do not want to stick you nose in this business. this is insanity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJl2_9a4q8
Thanx 4 the link HPD.......another clusterfuck coming to American television. WWW seems written in stone but I digress and forget that the west loves action , blood and guts as long as others pay for it with their lives.
There have been plans to wipe out the Syrian military in under 30 days for a long time. Will go a lot slower using Turk / Brit / Baharain spec ops + mixed arab force, but Syrians will crack. They all do. This is military commentary, not political. I wish we would either charge the world for policing it or take a much more defensive stance. My wishes and yours are ignored.
I think after Syria and Hezbollah launch a few missiles, and gas doubles, it is the world that will crack in short order. Our folly is always picking targets we think will never fight back. Well we did pick Nam knowing they would fight back, and Afghanistanan, and those didn't turn out so well. So what do we do when the missiles land on Tel Aviv, just nuke them in return? Seriously? You think having an atomic explosion filmed by millions of iphones and hidef TV cameras is going to go over well with the world? Or do we threaten the world with death and stop hiding behind niceties and let Moloch out of his box once and for all? We would basically devolve to carrying weapons 24/7, fun stuff.
Without commenting too much ponder this. The Israeli's might want missiles to hit Tel Aviv. From my understanding completely destroying Iran's nuke program conventionally will be hard for the US, impossible for the Israelis with just air. I'm not discounting Israel cleverness and military might, but it is a big task. Hardened shelters spread all over with some well underground in very hardened concrete bunkers.
Now Hezbollah hits Israel with a chemical weapon. Horrible. 100's killed in grusem ways. It would be a dark gift. Now Israel has the green light to use tac nukes against shelters, and the Iranian nuke program is done. These are the grandkids of those the world put into ovens. They will do what they feel they need to do to survive. Don't discount Israel acting way outside of what is deemed "acceptable" if they really believe Iran is crazy and wants to nuke them, other conspiracy theory motives ignored for the moment.
Just ponder this scenario for a bit.
I don't think you give your military enough credit. They won't go down the direct attack route when a nice civil war is brewing. Much easier to supply the opposition with weapons and advisore. Nothing the Ruskies can do about that. Assad is a total asshole anyway so good riddance to him!
Same as with all the other dictaters in the middle east. I know alot on this blog are cynical about US motives but credit where credit is due - the US is actually leaving Iraq by the end of the year. As promised.
When Clinton came to power there were still a number of dictators in South Americ. By the time he left they were all gone apart from Castro which the US had no leverage over. All have been replaced by democracies in one form or another. I think the average South American would describe that change as a good thing.
The Middle East was put in the too hard basket and left for another day. Traveling around the ME I was always disapointed that the people still suffered under the yoke of dictatorship. I never met one person who liked it. Freedom is gradually coming to the whole area and the people in general will be better off. It's been a lot harder to achieve than SA but worth it in the end. IMHO.
Bunker: "If this is true- and that is a big if- then Syria will activate it's Hizb'Allah ally in Lebanon to begin launching missiles into Israel in the hopes of drawing Israel into this mess and kicking off another round of Israeli-Arab war, though this time with much more devastating consequences. Likewise, Iran has a mutual defense pace with Syria and will not stand idly by"
Hopefully nobody is short crude... IF it's true, this might get ugly very fast. Also remember that winter is the war season in the ME.
this will draw the israeli army into lebanon again. this is something they do not want any part of. the arabs have learned how to party......
I think Israel is hoping one of these clowns pops a chem or biological on a small populated area. This would green light Israel to use nukes to take out WMD programs that it can't take out conventionally without US help, which I don't think it will get.
Cup of trembling here we come.
World War 3 to distract the sheeple who will cheer not realising it is all bulls**t.
Options expiration is a bitch isn't it ?
PNAC be a bitch!
Syria and Russia are tight since Cold War...
Just checked the Wiki for more info.
If true.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria_relations#Military_coo...
Then there is something significant. Also mentions arms supply.
"Amid Russia's deteriorating relations with the West, because of the 2008 South Ossetia War and plans to deploy a US missile defense shield in Poland, President Assad agreed to the port’s conversion into a permanent Middle East base for Russia’s nuclear-armed warships.[2] Since 2009, Russia has been renovating the Tartus naval base and dredging the port to allow access for its larger naval vessels.[3]"
Note, the source is a Debka link that is dead.
If this is Russia's way of projecting nuclear power closer within the theatre, then it is definitely of strategic importance to keep it.
Some of tonight's Mid-East headlines:
Saudi security forces 'fire on protesters' Reports of one person dead and several wounded as police use live rounds to break up demonstration in Eastern Province.
Bahrain braces for official rights report Clashes between police and protesters erupt hours before official report on rights abuses during months of turmoil.
Hundreds protest in Jordanian capital About 1,000 protesters, including Islamists, leftists and youth groups, call for political reform and end to corruption
Red Cross staff kidnapped in south Yemen
French woman and two Yemenis go missing in Lahej province as country remains paralysed by protests and conflict
Kuwait's ruler orders 'stricter' security
Sheikh Sabah denounces protests as a threat to "security and stability" after brief storming of parliament chamber
Turkish bus ambushed by Syrian gunmen Pilgrims returning from hajj attacked by men in Syrian army uniforms, wounding two and raising tensions with Turkey.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/
Hope-N-Change coming to another country near you. Is there a Peace Prize in one of those bombs?
Well it's make sence since the tresory bubble is about to pop. They need a war in the middle east to push oil price up.
So inflation will go up too. Nobody with a brain will buy tresuary bonds at 2 % ...The inflation will be really much higher.This will be the burst of the tresuary bubble.
So I expect hyperinflationnary depresion as soon as the war with Syria/Iran begin.
Keep some food and some gold/silver near from you !
Rosetta Stone can be your buddy, buddy.
Won't happen.
There is no oil in Syria to speak of, and Assad doesn't have much gold.
Sorry pat----------Syria produces 400k bpd---foreign reserves are round 18 billion and would imagine half is in gold.
Syria, Iran, Russia, et. al. stand absolutely no chance against the USA military.
These jokes of countries are #141,#143, and #147 on the Economic Freedom Index.
"The peoples who have developed the system of the market economy and cling to it are in every respect superior to all other peoples. The fact that they are eager to preserve peace is not a mark of their weakness and inability to wage war. They love peace because they know that armed conflicts are pernicious and disintegrate the social division of labor. But if war becomes unavoidable, they show their superior efficiency in military affairs too. They repel the barbarian aggressors whatever their numbers may be." - Ludwig von Mises, Human Action
That would be the USA?
Not exactly. But USA is "mostly free" rather than "mostly unfree" or "repressed" like those other countries I mentioned: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.aspx
"The military events of both World Wars have proved anew that the capitalistic countries are paramount also in armaments production. No foreign aggressor can destroy capitalist civilization if it does not destroy itself. Where capitalistic entrepreneurship is allowed to function freely, the fighting forces will always be so well equipped that the biggest armies of the backward peoples will be no match for them. There has even been great exaggeration of the danger of making the formulas for manufacturing “secret” weapons universally known. If war comes again, the searching mind of the capitalistic world will always have a head start on the peoples who merely copy and imitate clumsily." - Ludwig von Mises
That would be the USA then?
I'm not sure what you are implying.
USA is predominately capitalist, despite the fact that economic calculation and the rational allocation of resources is being hampered by statism and fraud. The government still makes purchases subject to market prices.
It does in its arse.
annoying glitch - when a post begins with italics, can't vote up - prevented me agreeing with your posts, but with this:
I HAD to reply - brilliant, could hear the words in all their glorious Irish sarc.
stoke the fire.
The US is a centrally planned klepto-oligarchy.
The United States is fascist.
>Syria, Iran, Russia, et. al. stand absolutely no chance against the USA military.
Why so many junks?
Is there someone who thinks they would stand a chance?
In a set-piece war, which ends when a capital is taken and the last battle is fought, no; none of them stands a chance.
They know this, however, which is why nobody has fought a war against the US in 40 years.
If the enemy will not engage in a military conflict, they're going to be tough to defeat. Ref. Afghanistan, among others.
Let's see, we can't win in Iraq, we can't win in Afghanistan, unless you count supervising poppy production a win, and we haven't even begun the tab on supervising Libya, and you think we are winning. I think there's a 12 pack of Blatts with your name on it in the fridge.
In my opinion, the hackers destroying a water pump was a message from Russia. Back off Iran and Syria or you'll see something more damaging than a water pump.
What happens if China won't send the US replacement parts for its toys?
US military isn't recapitalizing equipment faster than it is burning it out. We make good mercs to the new world order though until all our cold war assets finally fall apart. By then we will have enough cash left to develop a nice COIN force that is mostly focused on "domestic terrorist" and disasters..aka NORTHCOM. From century fighters to sensor filled sesnas and from Abrams and Bradleys to Strikers, US forces will be become less and less focused on power projection than on keeping the rabble in line for our NWO overlords. Makes me want to vomit. It is happening. Europe, which for having no real militaries but for some reason have hundreds of weapons manufactures, will rise to fill the gap.
Maybe so many junks because it is basically a stupid comment.
Obviously they do stand a chance since the USA has not subdued Afghanistan or Iraq. Brand of coffee you are smelling? It would be the brand of coffee which is about warfare in a situation where you are fighting a miltary-civilian force who are uncoperative at nearly all levels, in their own country. Not really a certain way to 'win' unless you just annihalate the whole place.
And do you think that Russia going toe-to-toe with the US military is in any way a desirable state of affairs for the world? What would a 'win' be in this context? Because I can tell you now that Russia could take a mightly large chunk out of your asses and you are stupid to think otherwise. What you going to do? Invade them? Invasions of Russia dont have a happy history. And as for nukes? FUCK them. Everyone here bitches about financial terrorism. Well what the hell is it when you incinerate thousands or millions of innocent people in the name of power and realpolitik? Its a crime against humanity.
So you got so many junks because the point you made is intellectually stupid and shows a complete lack of respect for the seriously fucking grave possibilities that people are talking about.
The USA not subdoing A'stan is not a result of military might, but a result of civilian policies governing military action. Just a minor point. Carry on.
Hey Drunkula...that's fucking funny dude! And where do you think the good ol USA is on the "Economic Freedom Index"?! Like 300th or something maybe? Oh wait, how many countries are in the world? Well, whatever...keep drinking that bloody koolade!!
Syria is Iran's Carbuncle that is affixed to Israel's Ass. It must be lanced. The longer we wait, the worse it will get, just like with the "extend and pretend" QE crap.
Draw near, the future is here.
Washington D.C. is Israel's Carbuncle that is affixed to America's Ass. It must be lanced. The longer we wait, the worse it will get, just like with the "extend and pretend" QE crap.
+100
This.
Notice the anti-semitism trending? I've seen this before...
No, I'm not an ignorant neoconn ahole. I know the Israelis are not always boy scouts and that Israel has a powerful political lobby. I acknowledge this. I wish progressives would acknowledge that the nations in the region that Israel faces don't sh*t roses and Palestinian ruling juntas don't walk on the streets of heaven with motives so pure the you could magically heal wounds just by thinking about them. It ain't the case.
If they make Syria a No Fry Zone then what will they cook the fallafal balls in? Boil in water? This will lead to mass disatisfaction with Syrian fast food.
They can eat matzo balls,right?
The UN initiative is called "7 Countries in 5 years" Syria has been the tough nut and Iran is right after their fall. Search the term, it has been a plan since 2001 and started near 2005, they are running a little late.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/International_War_Crimes/Taking_Down_7_Countries.html
No Fly Zone in Humanitarian mission speak means let the air raids commence. It's all in the verbage.
There is something in Syria the Russians don't want the world to know about.
This was not the case in Libya.
I have absolutely no doubt that the Russians have nukes embedded in Syria...it would make no sense for them not to have them there given the situation at hand...
Now you are talking...excellent point. So will they be given time to pull them out, like in a more recent conflict? Will Assad let them? Or do they want to pull them out? Very, very interesting. Nice point.
Arab League jets flying over Syria? Really? Because I'm sure the Israelis have no reason to be alarmed by countries calling for their deaths flying over their neighbor's country looking for something to shoot.
Syrian express to Iran. Now boarding.
World War 3 is coming really fast...
I honestly think these fuckers are trying to start WWIII. I should say they are trying to expand WWIII. I really think they are trying to provoke China. We are surrounding them with troops. Hell we just sent troops to Australia for cripes sake.
China controlling Russia to strike American soil first..
There, fixed.
It's the Bush doctrine. Strike them before they do us. Once America accepted that premise it gave our "leaders" cart blanch to strike where ever they want. What was it Hitler said? If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Goebbels.
China would join Russia if it was attacked, too much oil coming down from Siberia. Don't be foolish.
I know Geo Political like you know Finance and the way I just described it is how it's going to happen, it's my job.
Oil means nothing when your having a global pull back. You end up with surplus. We took over the wells in Lybia just to shut them down, who was the recipient of Lybias total output of oil 2% globally? Go Search it, then you will understand the scenario that I am describing.
It's not about oil pumping, it's about oil well capping so it dosen't go down to 30 dollars a barrel on low demand. See? Create an artificial scarcity and oil futures go up at best, but remain stable at least.
It's one of their three GOD's.
Gold, Oil, Drugs.
You know around Moscow they are building thousands of bomb shelters? Google it. Chinese doing the same. Also stated number of Chinese nukes is way, way off. Like the Russians, they have massive underground complexes. Who knows what they got down there?
Hot off the presses: http://news.yahoo.com/medvedev-russia-may-target-missile-defense-sites-123047622.html
11-23-2011
I told you so.
I thought the Donmehs in Turkey are out of power.
sorry. As usual they own both sides of the fence...Erdogan is busy doin "Gods' Work" - same God as the one GS works for!
If this does happen, I hope that we aren't suckered into paying for the logistical support. It's time the Arabs paid for anything they ask us to do. We are leaving Iraq empty handed with no oil credits or cash for our billions spent there.
I guess we are the world's suckers.
r u kidding? Youse will be paying for the whole production...from the bombs to the jet fuel, and the blowback too....this will be a made in tel aviv, paid in USA production, as always.
a soon to be strategic point of reference: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en&oe=UTF-8&q=Tartus&um=1&...
International Development (World Bank) Banking scheme:
No further comment needed
Building propaganda to sell another terror story
June 23, 2011
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10292.doc.htm
I guess the new world order includes a Califate:) Anyone have any ideas about who could head up this type of an organization. I bet he would need to be named Hussain:)
looks like they have realized the only way out of this mess is global capacity destruction. i guess i picked the wrong time to quit smoking, drinking, drugs and hookers.
Or the best time. Jesus knocks. If it really is all about to go up on flames, the offer of forgiveness of sins and eternal salvation in the persences of the being who created it all and says that He will fix it all soon might be a good offer to take. Just saying. Romans 10:9, John 3:16, Acts 4:12, John 14:6, Ephesians 2:8-9, and unfortunately John 3:36. Peace.
well, i do prefer the christo zionist look at things as it applies to the destruction of israel before peace can be achieved.
Titor right again...
Titor :
The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?
Not against America but they are used against each other.
What ya think Syria will do when there's a no fly zone imposed on them? They gonna start launching scuds...
This is would signal the start of the predicted war between east and west with the Mideast as the fulcrum... or breaking point, between the U.S. and Europe on one side and Russia, China and Iran on the other. I do not see how a war in Syria could not spread immediately throughout the region and go nuclear. Zero Hedge has had some great scoops but I think this tops them all for me. Delicious writing by Mr. Tyler Durden.
Until you change the way money works, you change nothing. -- Michael C. Ruppert
http://www.collapsenet.com/154.html
It took about 12 years of that MSM muck-raking before Sadam was sufficiently pretexted and gone.
It's consensus building ... it takes a good ten years, when dealing basically with a country that has not attacked you.
I have zero doubt that a no-fly-zone would be the beginnings of putting in place the resources necessary for the strike on Iran.
I also have zero doubt that Iran, and Russia, China and Pakistan, will also see it that way, and will go apeshit.
This is it folks, over the top.
When will this shit end!
The reality is that Israel cannot survive any longer without the water from the Yarmouk River. It shares it with Syria and now like everything else the US gets sucked in to fight Israels battles to liberate more resources.
http://docs.rwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1031&context=cmpd_workin...
Israel's mandate; Kill America's youth.
"Restore The Draft, Israel Is Demanding It"
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/11/gordon-duff-restore-the-draft-israel-is...
Masters of deception:
2002 Israel-Syria “Treaty of Peace”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Syria
And here I was thinking that US "sold" the 3 AH-1 SuperCobra helicopters and 4 Predator drones to Turkey for the sole reason that is the Turkey-PKK conflict.
Then I remembered that they would probably be useful in facilitating some more oil-field "acquisitions" for Rothschild's Vallares.
Also, is Syria's Central Bank still owned by the state, or did the Cartel simply forgot about it?
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Big Queen of England and all her lackey's going for WWIII. (who do you think pushed the Libyan war? Of couse like economic policy, Obama takes his cues from across the pond.
In situations like this, Obama says. WWTBD? TB= Tony 'War criminal' Blair.
Syria and Iran are just ways to get us here in the U.S.A. into WWIII. That is all.
Glass-Steagall not WWIII. ALL OF IT, because of MONETARISM. The economy, the wars, everything, because of a failed system based on bullshit.
Libya wasn't about 'freedom'. Syria, isn't about 'freedom'. It's about a new way for imperial war, and if the big dipshit Queen of England can start WWIII, it's only even better (to these assholes).
People need to wake up. This ain't about freedom. Is Libya really free right now? Is Egypt? Is anywhere else?
The more things are prepackaged as change, the more things stay the same.
Real change across this world, has yet to occur. Everyone that believes otherwise, is easliy fooled. An easy mark for propaganda.
Glass-Steagall
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