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No More Mr. Nice Guy As IMF Set To Kick Out Greece

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It appears that following the resignation letter fiasco from Friday, the venerable IMF is trying to regain some level of credibility in the world. In a note obtained by SPIEGEL, senior IMF officials patience has clearly come to an end and has decided that, with Greece likely to go bust by September, it is no longer willing to provide additional Greek aid (we assume in light of the push-backs on the promised cuts that the aid was based upon). Pointing to this now being a euro-zone problem, their cessation of Greek aid is even more critical since both Holland and Finland pledged support because the IMF was involved. August 20th marks an important short-term hurdle as Greece is required to pay back EUR3.8bn to the ECB - and with collateral being withdrawn, we wonder how long before the ECB pulls the plug entirely - even on Greek T-Bills. Whether this is sabre-rattling before the delayed TROIKA visit or the IMF (and the rest of the TROIKA) indeed deciding enough is enough and realizing finally that more debt (or even maturity extensions) does not solve the problem of too much debt - only default will do that!

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Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:17 | 2640693 LetThemEatRand
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Yet this will not be a credit event.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:26 | 2640717 cossack55
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The only credit event "they" recognize is your credit card being declined.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:04 | 2640807 engineertheeconomy
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Interest is only imaginary, it's a con game and the joke is on us

 2nd grade level math

 Human primates are no smarter than non human primates

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 04:05 | 2641726 AldousHuxley
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IMB kick out greece,  greece defaults, European  banksters (Fracen/Germany) suffer losses on greek debt, greek central bank prints a ton to make labor globally competitive, unemployment goes down while rest of europe is stuck at high unemployment.



yeah...doesn't like it is going to help IMF owners, France/Germany.



Mon, 07/23/2012 - 09:37 | 2642236 JPM Hater001
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Whoa whoa whoa whao whao whoa

You mean the solution to debt was not more debt?

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:32 | 2640865 CrashisOptimistic
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FYI, my recall is the IMF has NEVER had a loan defaulted, and this will be no exception.

Greece can say they default.  The IMF can shrug and put a surcharge on their oil imports, enforced by NATO ships.  

And that will take care of default.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:26 | 2640721 DoChenRollingBearing
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It WILL be an interesting week, however.  I can hardly wait to see how the futures react to this...

Oh, wait!  I should already know this!


Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:44 | 2640765 Aguadulce
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Tomorrows Greek response headline: "the nation of Greece is ashamed to have had any association with the fund at all".

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:47 | 2640769 Ancona
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Actually, it should say, "Greece restores national pride; Welcomes back Drachma"

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:58 | 2640795 Michael
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I truly don't believe TPTB have real control of exactly when the system collapses. They could pull the trigger today and everything will be done in two weeks but they won't because all their aristocrat family owned banking houses go bankrupt and cease to be. I believe their plans for world domination are not in place and the Ron Paul crew permanently killed their chances of pulling it off.  Their only game now is to preserve as much wealth for themselves as possible. Their monetary system is kaput as per my plans.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:10 | 2640822 engineertheeconomy
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Lets compare Greece to Cali. If California leaves the Dollar and starts using it's own fiat currency today, nothing will change. Except, of course, that California could choose to use an honest monetary system that benefits everyone instead of the current dishonets one that only benefits the rich. The rest of the states would not collapse because they would continue to print the dollar and people would eat it up like apple pie. Wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a prostitute and tell me she's not going to fuck you!

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:16 | 2640833 ihedgemyhedges
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Thanks for the segway.  Your last sentence is the reason why a man shouldn't get married JUST so he has a steady supply of sex.  100 dollar bills versus 1/2 of ALL your dollar bills.  Not to mention 1/2 of the rest of your stuff too......

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 20:06 | 2641240 smiler03
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You porn obsessed unhappily married types are a sad reflection on ZH readers as a whole.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 21:24 | 2641455 StychoKiller
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Spoken like a true bachelor!

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 17:55 | 2641031 sessinpo
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One difference. CA would experience much higher bond rates then now. CA is way behind Greece and has yet to experience real monetary problems. The municipal bankruptcies are nothing.

In an already weak economy, this may drive more business out to neighboring states. Politicians in CA are doing the same thing politicians around the world are doing - nothing - waiting - and hoping for a bailout.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 17:44 | 2641007 lynnybee
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 "I truly don't believe TPTB have real control of exactly when the system collapses."     ... i don't know whether to laugh, cry, or cheer !  

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:01 | 2640801 johny2
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It is the Karma, the Europe will break up, and the biggest loosers will be Germany.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:05 | 2640811 JLee2027
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To quote Mr. Panos: "Greece has a problem? No, you gave Greece the money. You have a problem."


Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:28 | 2640729 Silver Bug
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About time is all I can say. Let's get this over with so we can begin to rebuild.



Sun, 07/22/2012 - 17:35 | 2640990 Fish Gone Bad
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Greece isn't even a real country, so I don't think this will be considered even newsworthy.

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 11:34 | 2642739 Buck Johnson
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No kidding, they are doing everything they can to say nothing is a credit event.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:17 | 2640694 THX 1178
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Faster and faster. Where it stops? ZH knows...

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:27 | 2640725 cossack55
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Iceland looks smarter and smarter every flippin' day.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:38 | 2640747 Al Huxley
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Everybody knows WHERE it stops - the million dollar question is WHEN it stops. The 'kick the can' game has been prolonged a lot longer than any reasonable estimation of the situation would have suggested was possible.  I've given up and am now guessing maybe 2090 they'll finally hit the end of the road.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 18:16 | 2641074 JenkinsLane
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If I get a further five years from now I'll think myself a lucky man.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:18 | 2640696 Chuck Bone
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Only default... or a sudden coordinated devaluation of the euro.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:20 | 2640702 Subliminal messenger
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I'm short CAC40, AEX and S&P. Bring it on.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:27 | 2640727 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

I think that you have a good bet there, sir!

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:39 | 2640755 Al Huxley
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Makes some good, logical, fundamental sense, based on the reality of the situation.  I think the pigmen are going to hand you your head in a basket.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:21 | 2640705 Thomas
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Indeed. They will call it a "banana" and there are no credit banana swaps so all will be OK.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:24 | 2640715 Abitdodgie
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Why will Greece go bankrupt when you can print as much money as you need , next you will be telling me what fair elections we will have this year, how about, Romney is totally different to Obama, and if we can just get him in everything will change or the UN gun treaty will not effect Americans.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 19:03 | 2641138 new game
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or the UN gun treaty will not effect Americans.

Now that has me worried more than anything else.


Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:21 | 2640706 debtor of last ...
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Save the banks, pull the plug, rinse, repeat.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:24 | 2640713 nasdaq99
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yup, this should blow a $150b hole it the ECBs balance sheet and lots of collateral damage elsewhere.



Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:24 | 2640714 ruffian
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Just push the Red (gold) button...........instant collateral of whatever value the global tender offer puts on it........Spain, Greece, italy have a shitload of gold as % of reserves............BRING IT  !!!

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:40 | 2640760 Al Huxley
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I recall reading back in 2006 or 2007 that Spain sold their gold because it had no yield - they traded it for sovereign debt.  Seriously.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:53 | 2640782 ruffian
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spain 282 tonnes

portugal 385 tonnes

italy 2500 tonnes

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:56 | 2640790 ruffian
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all three counries in top 20 and italy is #3 in the world with 71% of it's foreign reserves in physical bullion

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:26 | 2640723 Piranhanoia
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"We're the IMF,  and we're here for you as long as you don't need us!"  

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:30 | 2640733 Joebloinvestor
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Does anyone know if the Greek pledged gold has been moved yet?

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:41 | 2640736 bob_dabolina
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August 20th - Greece

Labor day (Sept. U.S debt ceiling)

September - Spain

3 stock market crashes have occured during October:

oct 29th, 1929

oct 19th, 1987

oct, 2008

A plethora of econ. data already shows a contracting world economy.

Looks like a lot is coming to a head in the next few months. Will we see a repeat of past Octobers? He who sells first, sells best.

Strange concidence - A severe drought also occured during the depression of the early 30's.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:12 | 2640827 Burnbright
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Strange concidence - A severe drought also occured during the depression of the early 30's.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.


Or governments have a nack of blaming low crop yields and production levels on natural occurances. Regardless if their is a drought or not, the problem isn't the drought itself but it just aids in destroying miss management and poor capital allocation that occurs from central planning. 

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:26 | 2640852 bob_dabolina
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I wasn't suggesting the drought of the 30's caused the depression.

I agree, central planning causes poor capital allocation. It's a fact that the more government gets involved in an industry/sector the more that area gets fucked up.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:33 | 2640739 Hype Alert
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When did the great democratic state of Greece vote such power to the IMF?  Shocking.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:44 | 2640740 MsCreant
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Load up on guns, bring your friends 
It's fun to lose and to pretend 
She's overboard and self-assured 
Oh, no, I know a dirty word 

Hello, Hello, Hello, How Low 
Hello, Hello, Hello 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous 
Here we are now, entertain us 
I feel stupid and contagious 
Here we are now, entertain us 

...Oh well, whatever, never mind

(Dave Grohl, Kurt Cobain, Krist Novoselic)


Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:40 | 2640743 RobotTrader
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Wow, more and more money will be fleeing into U.S. Treasuries and California muni-bonds on Monday and Tuesday.


Gonna be fun to watch the epic meltup.

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 15:50 | 2640766 tahoebumsmith
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Now that is too funny Robo! Money fleeing Greece and into Cali muni bonds? Last I saw the debt in Greece was 450 million Euros? If you didn't know because the MSM has not published one article pertaining to the subject, Cali ended its fiscal year on July 1st coming up about 18.3 BILLION short!!!! LMFAO  Put that in your chart pipe and smoke it...

Sun, 07/22/2012 - 20:11 | 2641245 smiler03
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If US treasuries are so bloody fantastic then how come they don't have negative yields yet, like France?


Sun, 07/22/2012 - 16:03 | 2640804 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ RobotTrader

+ 1

Your calls have been spot-on re Treasuries.  10-Year yield down to 1.0% over the coming weeks/months?

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