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No Surprise In Boehner's Response To Obama's Latest Proposal

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Because the Act 1 of any political drama out of DC deserves an Act 2...

Just released by Boehner:


House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement in response to the President’s latest debt plan.


“Pitting one group of Americans against another is not leadership. The Joint Select Committee is engaged in serious work to tackle a serious problem: the debt crisis that is making it harder to get our economy growing and create more American jobs.  Unfortunately, the President has not made a serious contribution to its work today.  This administration’s insistence on raising taxes on job creators and its reluctance to take the steps necessary to strengthen our entitlement programs are the reasons the president and I were not able to reach an agreement previously, and it is evident today that these barriers remain.”


NOTE:  The President’s proposal would raise taxes on both small businesses and on private capital, which is the essential ingredient for job creation in our economy.  By declining to support structural improvements to strengthen our entitlement programs, the President has chosen to ignore the warnings about our debt crisis sent by the markets in August – leaving Americans exposed to the possibility of further downgrades that will further damage confidence and make it harder for our economy to grow and create jobs.



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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:16 | 1684961 GeneMarchbanks
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"Politics is one big ass blast" -Mac

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:26 | 1685025 HoofHearted
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I say 10% from tax breaks, no set-asides, no special funding to Solyndra, etc. Everyone pays the same percentage, and the government has to live withinin its means. I know I know...crazy talk, isn't it?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:39 | 1685085 Don Birnam
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Actually, the surprise is that Boehner didn't beak out in tears with his "response."

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:33 | 1685305 Bob
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I found this question thought-provoking:

What if the Tea Party was black?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:41 | 1685553 AmCockerSpaniel
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Boehner's job creators? What jobs did they create this year? They grossed how much, and then kept or sent to some other country how much? No; They need to be taxed, and at a high level too. The USA is in need of money now, and can not afford to let such ripoffs continue. This trickle down shit is a lie, a very big lie. They get it here ,and don't spend it here. Also keep wanting more and more from the poor no less. Obama is a lie too. He signed a bill extending all those tax cuts to the filthy rich a year ago, and now wants to have them taxed?? It's all cake and circus. This will never happen to any meaning full degree, and those here on ZH know it well!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:49 | 1685583 Ident 7777 economy
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"Boehner's job creators?"


Incomprehensible sentence fragment; care to rephrase?


 (pssst: It isn't governments job to create JOBS, but rather NOT to place IMPEDIMENTS in the way! Geesh! This is not HARD to figure out!)


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:14 | 1685691 Medea
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No, it's not an incomprehensible sentence fragment. Care to reread?

And thanks for telling us what government's job is, even if the only support you have for such a statement is personal fiat.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:50 | 1686290 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Boehner's job creators? What jobs did they create this year?

The jobs they created can be found on the other side of the globe, and with Jeffy Immelt on board as Obama's Outsourcing Czar, I don't expect any improvement.

This is what we get from a one-party political system. At least the USSR  didn't pour billions of dollars annually into marketing the idea that the "red" commies and the "blue" commies were separate parties with real differences.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:33 | 1685537 Ident 7777 economy
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Marked down.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:45 | 1685086 SheepDog-One
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My short and sweet fix for our broken fraudulent joke of a govt-

ALL politicians get 4 years maximum, I dont care to hear about how 'special' they are at their jobs, thats all BS, and most important ALL politicians salaries ONLY come from certified budget surpluses. Govt numbers are also scored by outside accountants who also get 4 year contracts at the most. Any politician or accountant found taking bribes, kickbacks, or inside trading gets a LIFE sentence at Leavenworth Federal Prison. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:03 | 1685182 X.inf.capt
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:11 | 1685217 Rodent Freikorps
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Do away with the seniority system in congress. Assign committee seats by lottery.

That way a district wouldn't be throwing away millions in pork by replacing a long term crook.

Making them live under the rules they create for us, instead of exempting themselves, would help also.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685097 Bicycle Repairman
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Any taxation scheme is crazy, because they'll just spend it.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:44 | 1685113 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I say the incoome tax is unconstitutional.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:20 | 1685259 Bring the Gold
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It is for the individual, the great stupidity of our legal system (and there are many) is the legal recognition of the corporation as an individual with all of the associated protections but due to spinoffs etc. few if any of the liabilities. 

Taxing corporations is the way to go, taxing the income of individuals is bullshit.

For all those proposing no taxes let me suggest that is ludicrous. Do away with the FED, the IRS and default on debt owed to the FED. Then revoke income tax on indviduals and leave taxes on corporations. We need infrastructure and other minimal government regulation (I prefer my drinking water to be arsenic free but I'm a crazed greenie that way I guess by ZH standards).

We need less wasteful government, less graft (FED/IRS) and less career politicians, not NO government. My preference is to maximize local government and minimize Federal Government.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:02 | 1685174 jmc8888
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Yeah it is, because what you say is a made up, cut your cock off, idiocy.

You Glass-Steagall the fraud, then you don't have the debt to pay back.  Well most of it.  Then with the rest you bankruptcy court.  Wow 15 trillion knocked down to 5 or 3 or 6...either way it ain't 15.  Then you make the deal with the chinese and get their holdings out of the way for...treasuries for raw materials deal (all put forward before so look it up).

'live within it's means' is an entirely made up concept.  What are the means?  What is that cutoff point?  It's entirely made up and arbitrary, thus the cut off point we 'live within' will arbitrarily be constrained....based on dogmatic bullshit.

Your 'crazy' solution is not a solution, it's another MONETARIST tactic.  You know monetarism, the anti-american viewpoint.  Keynesian, Austrian, all monetary schools of thought are FOREIGN, anti-american, BULLSHIT.

So yeah, quit the crazy talk, and start thinking of real solutions.

It's CANCEL the fraud.

It's they physical economy that is get it moving with a science driver program.  We need energy, we need water, we need infrastructure (real like mag lev, waterways)....

None of what you propose does anything to change the rot of the system, it only constrains people, gives tax breaks to people that don't need it BEFORE seeing what can actually needs to be cut or raised based on reality(which is idiocy), assumes we need to pay off fraud, and that some magical 'means limit' exists.  Monetarism, it makes people sound like Hannibal.   We need to cancel the fraud, and change the system.  The system we run is anti-american, time to get back to an American System.  No Austrian or Keynesian anti-americans monetarist dogmatic fucktards are patriotic enough to engage in reality.  It's all got to be dogmatic sophistry filled talking points by banksters, FOR banksters. 

Banksters love Austrian ideology, they also love Keynesian ideology.  Just if we switch to another fucktard monetary way, many of the banksters won't survive, but those that do will LOVE austrian ideology.  Because it's another rig job. 

Sorry I don't want another rig job based on bullshit. 


American Credit System


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1685202 DosZap
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Yes that would solve tons of issues, but it's logical, and nada that is in the 10sq miles of shit is.

The reason it will NEVER fly, is it would do away with an IRS so bloated w/paperwork, and rules and regs(not to mention jobs), that the PTB could never give that power away.

WHere we have MAJOR problems is all govt agencies, are at the whim, and will of the party in power.

IF we could just get them to follow their IN PRINT guidelines, and the law, same for all.............we would have a shot.

But, to get funded you have to eat the meat.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:04 | 1685662 Breaker
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"WHere we have MAJOR problems is all govt agencies, are at the whim, and will of the party in power. IF we could just get them to follow their IN PRINT guidelines, and the law, same for all.............we would have a shot.!

Or, we could just remove their power to act. Just sayin'.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:12 | 1686748 Chuck Walla
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Exactly! The Welfare Class benefits from taxpayers. Why shouldn't they pay at least some nominal amount to have skin in the game?  I guess those votes won't stay bought if we all paid a fair share.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:14 | 1684972 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Pitting one group of Americans against another is not leadership."

Ummm........but it is what the elite and their minions (politicians) do to keep the masses disorganized and desperate.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:19 | 1685000 SheepDog-One
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Pitting one group of americans against the other is the ONLY political formula this country has had for decades for EITHER wing of the 1 party system.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 17:57 | 1686302 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Pitting one group of americans against the other is the ONLY political formula this country has had for decades for EITHER wing of the 1 party system.

Exactly. It's not leadership, it's stewardship, and most of America is riding in steerage.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:20 | 1685004 oogs66
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can we create a pirate party?  I think the German's have it right.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:31 | 1685055 Mike2756
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Will they accept po people?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685094 moldygoat
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Canada has one and their platform is not half bad.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:39 | 1685088 Ferrari
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CD, I love you, the way you think.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:38 | 1685550 Ident 7777 economy
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Sucking up does not win points; unless it actually does ...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685129 LetThemEatRand
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"This administration’s insistence on raising taxes on job creators people who create jobs in China and suck off the taxpayer teat in America while complaining about "entitlements" and its reluctance to take the steps necessary...."   There, fixed it.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:24 | 1685271 JPM Hater001
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I'm in the midst of turning a young ladie friend to the proper "Ron Paul" channel and now that she is off Romney (Thankyou Pr. Carter).

To share a bit:

As America approaches the collapse of its currency, and it will happen, one must look broadly at the underlying factors.  We are as much a colonial occupier today as Britian at its height.  They fell, ultimately, because they spread too thinly the patience and pocketbooks of the nations they occupied beginning with America.  And that is what America has done today with other countries natural resources since the Truman Doctrine began.  We have 190 military bases protecting what?  Us?  The World? Some idea?  We have 190 bases because thats what it takes for America to keep all the spoils we have taken from the world especially since Nixon took us off the Gold Standard some 40 years ago last month and allowed us to export our inflation like candy everyone wanted.  We have got to get the government to stop helping Americans with everything including foreign affairs and the worlds oil distribution.  If we have the efficiencies of a free market distributing capital to the best ideas in the world trust me, the oil will follow the more effective currency and economy. It would be myopic to believe, as Ron Paul aptly points out, that we had 4 planes hyjacked and flown into buildings because they hate our freedom.  They hate the way America takes advantage of their countries.  Unfortunately even I didn't see that connection until very recently but just as we fight for self determination in our country, so do they.  This is not to dismiss the freaks of Islam or the cutting differences between east and west if we look at reality of that religion and its many discriminatory practices.  But freedom is freedom and the only thing worse than losing our freedom is to take someone elses away unjustly.  We need to be an example of freedom.  Not an enforcer.. You get it..
Mon, 09/19/2011 - 19:14 | 1686584 Der Kommissar
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Well, US Navy keeps sea lines open in the Gulf and Pacific -- a free benefit for the global economy. Paid by the US taxpayers. In good old times, the city citizens used to hire a sheriff and paid him to keep things in order, but now this benefit many countries economies enjoy comes as a free gift from Uncle Sam. Pacific trade can quickly come to the halt if US Navy goes away and China, Japan and Vietnam start fighting for island and other good things over there. Gulf oil -- the same. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:15 | 1686760 Chuck Walla
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Sadly, you do not address the mollificatioon of the "poor"(those with the cell phones, tats, etc) whose electoral pasivity is bought and paid for by using other's money. Honorable politicians paid for their votes out of their own pockets enforcing an economy of spending. Using others cash means never having to say you're responsible.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:14 | 1684973 tmosley
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It seems to me that the out of power party always talks the talk, but they never walk the walk when they get into office.

Throw all the bums out.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:40 | 1685555 Ident 7777 economy
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Yeah, I would forget about that "Contract with America" from a congress a few decades back, it didn't really happen, did it?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:03 | 1686320 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It seems to me that the out of power party always talks the talk, but they never walk the walk when they get into office.

Bhoaner is just popping off half-cocked. His response is the same copy-and-paste boilerplate screed that he always uses.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:22 | 1686793 StychoKiller
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It also seems to me that Obamatron's notions of raising taxes BEFORE even looking into reining in the Decepticrats' sacrosanct Govt entitlement programs is cut'n'paste as well!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 21:25 | 1687012 TheFourthStooge-ing
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They're all fuckers and we're all fucked.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:14 | 1684976 dbach
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Pitting one economic group against another is only a construct of the Republican party in this instance. It shouldn't matter how you earn your money, you should pay the same rate. Why are we subsidizing the casino that is Wall Street on the backs of people who produce tangible goods and services that don't end up requiring a bailout at an ever increasing frequency?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:21 | 1685007 SheepDog-One
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LMAO oh sure 'Only replucrats do it'...another political rube.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:48 | 1685359 dbach
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'Only replucrats do it'


I said no such thing.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:28 | 1685038 Uncle Remus
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You Sir/Madam, are a fucking clueless tool.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:43 | 1685562 Ident 7777 economy
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dbach says on:  Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:14 

Pitting one economic group against another is only a construct of the Republican party in this instance.

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Is this "Opposite Day" or something?



Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:15 | 1684981 Dr. Engali
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So when does the final curtain come down? Are we at intermission yet?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:15 | 1684982 papaswamp
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blah blah bitchez....

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:18 | 1684989 SheepDog-One
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The president is a douche nozzle.

Have fun bought it, now you ride it.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:18 | 1684994 Ruffcut
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Boner sucks other boners. Not sure when he has time to speak, with so much meat in his mouth.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:21 | 1685002 tekhneek
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And all future "responses" can be summed up as follows:

"Blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah. Blah blah blah bluh-blah! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!"

-Politicians name here

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:21 | 1685003 Mark_BC
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Economic growth is the problem, not the solution. And the way to deal with unemployment is to reduce the work week, not grasp at some futile attempt to make the economy bigger. This is nothing but an ill-fated ponzi scheme that cannot possibly succeed. Wake up, economists, get with the program.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685100 TeresaE
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Wow, that is FUNNY.

Germany did the same thing after WWI when they decided that Keynes was a fiscal god.

Didn't work for them, but somehow it will for us.

FAIR trade, not FREE trade, would fix part of the job issue.

The government getting the hell out of our lives would fix another.

Eliminating free stuff for all would solve the rest.

Reducing the work week wouldn't solve ANYTHING.

Except fewer private jobs as thousands of businessmen give the hell up and go on the government tit.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:56 | 1685159 Mark_BC
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Not at all true. You are telling me that 50 years (that is the last time the work week was reduced) of technological automation has done NOTHING to improve the efficiency with which labour "produces" things? That's what you are saying. BTW, labour produces absolutely nothing; labour takes and transforms.

Our wealth is being stolen by the bond parasites. Our government is enslaved by them, as we all are, to the same central bank that is the machine of oppression the bond parasites use to effect their control.

Blaming the government as the scapegoat is the easy, stupid way out. Our governments (especially in the US) are puppets. They have no more say over anythign than voters in the farcical 2 party dictatorship AMerians like to call "democracy".

Perpetual economic growth is nothing more than a perpetual motion machine. These were disproven centuries ago. I invite economists to drag their profession into at least the 19th century. Animals that have tape worms need to eat more and more food because they ar feeding someone else besides themselves. That is why we must work more and more to get by.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:21 | 1685008 Cultural Capital
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Love it or hate it, at least the republican party has backbone and stands for something.  What do the democrats stand for? NAFTA? Organised Labour? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:25 | 1685023 LawsofPhysics
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LOL!  You forgot your < sarc > flags.  Yeah, Bush Junior really had a backbone when Paulson came into his office demanded a fucking bailout (TARP and TALF) for the financial fuckwads who caused and then profitted from the collapse.

Crash the fucking system already.  Only then will compensation find its way back to people who are actually worth a shit.

Try harder troll.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:35 | 1685070 Cultural Capital
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Bogan, just because you don't have a future doesn't mean the sky is going to fall.  The people in Detroit might be sad at their children’s destitution, but so are the slum dwellers in Mumbai.  You have an alternative to neoliberalism i'm all ears? I love it how Americans think because all the sudden they are going on the reservation that somehow pinot noir is going to stop flowing in London and Zurich..

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685139 LawsofPhysics
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And your point is?  You reflect my thoughts exactly.  A system collapse will NOT stop people from drinking wine or getting by just fine, BUT those that do will actually have to provide a service of REAL VALUE.  

However, you are still ignoring the energy input to maintain any system.  The world's economy still relies on cheap energy input for growth.  Infinite cheap energy and infinite growth are impossible and if you think there won't be a lot less pinot noir being drunk in the future, then you are truly are a moron.  Folks in my neck of the woods are already firing up stills (for both fuel and personal consumption) and reviving grandpa's recipes for fermentation of everything.  Technically even your "neoliberalistic" countries are doing the same thing .  Look up the "ABE process" for producing acetone, butanol, and ethanol from all kinds of waste.  Many companies in London are doing precisely what toothless hicks in the mountains all around the world have been doing for hundreds of years.  And those "pinot noir" sipping fucks think they are so smart. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1685200 Cultural Capital
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You are absolutely correct. Infinite cheap energy and infinite growth are impossible.  There is a massive famine underway in East Africa right now people are dying and it isn't affecting you.  Same way the tent cities and hunger in America won't affect billionaires materially or islanders in the Solomon islands.  What's your point? You are either a master or a slave, how hard is that to understand? Why don't you be proactive and do something if you are so mad at your predicament. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:24 | 1685274 Hamsterfist
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Unless you are in the top .1%, you are a slave.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:35 | 1685311 Cultural Capital
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Being in control of the means of production has it's perks...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:06 | 1686326 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Being in control of the means of production has it's perks... gallows with silk nooses?


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:28 | 1685285 LawsofPhysics
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We are doing just fine, never been busier.  My point is that your neoliberals just need to be honest about being, as you put it, a master or a slave.  Your initial comment was on how great the GOP was, that is a lie.  Don't lie and expect no consequences.  Likewise, don't steal and expect not to be shot at or killed.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1685370 Cultural Capital
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I'm glad you are doing well, but talking with you is like speaking to a child.  

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:02 | 1685412 LawsofPhysics
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Only children keep avoiding the consequences of their choices.  Speaking of which do you still believe your original statement is true?

here is it;

"at least the republican party has backbone and stands for something".

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 21:04 | 1686959 Cultural Capital
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Yea I do.  They don't like taxes, and do what they can to cut them.  What do the democrats do? Threaten to end funding to the troops and fold like a bitch? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1685172 Blano
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All is well now in Detroit, lol.  The Tigers won the division, and the Lions are 2-0!!   Woo hoo!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:58 | 1686145 X Yooper
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And soon it will be Wing's season! Double woo hoo!!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:07 | 1685946 bid the soldier...
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"just because you don't have a future doesn't mean the sky is going to fall."

The sky isn't going to fall because it already fell in the last quarter of 2008.

All the King's horses and all the King's men etc. etc.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:25 | 1685024 Al Huxley
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They're all the same, and they all have the same MO - 'talk the talk to the party faithful while funnelling money into Wall Street's pockets.'

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:29 | 1685035 Outlaw Of The W...
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demokratik soviet= blacks, jews, homos, illegals, muslims, communists, infanticide fans.

An amalgam of nation wrecking misfits bound together by nothing more than malevolent envy and hatred of Natural Law.

Got it?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:42 | 1685106 Uncle Remus
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Wait, you forgot public unions, Mormons, the Amish, any non-US citizen wanting to be or might be POTUS, coupon clippers, anyone that owns AAPL stock, rutabaga gardeners, OS/2 fans and all those that "Liked" Al Gore's Facebook page.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:49 | 1685126 Outlaw Of The W...
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Are you going to deny that the demokratik soviet is comprised entirely of blacks, jews, homos, illegals, communists, muslims and abortion fans?  Or is it that not every demokrat is a black, a jew, a homo, an illegal, a muslim, a communist and/or an abortion fan, but every black, jew, homo, illegal, muslim, communist and abortion fan is a demokrat?

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negros. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for he Twentieth Century, 1912. Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:00 | 1685173 High Plains Drifter
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yep and so we look at just who it is that finances and promotes organizations such as the naacp and core etc..........hmmm?   diversity is good in only someone's mind because it works best for that someone. now who is that someone?  it is a good thing in someone's mind to create racial disharmony and racial discord to distract the sheep and have them fight each other instead of focusing on the one and true enemy.....

uncle miltie discusses the obvious...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:16 | 1685238 Billy Bob
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Hey Mr Outlaw


Thanks for reminding me of something I heard some time ago.  It went something like.......


"Not all conservatives are stupid, but all stupid people are conservative"  Is that what you are trying to say?


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:55 | 1686129 Uncle Remus
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You're enumerating the symptoms, not the problems.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:31 | 1686044 bid the soldier...
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These must be the Republicans you're referring to:

Reptiles Were the First Vertebrates to Venture Inland
Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:22 | 1685012 LawsofPhysics
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Bread and circuses.  Seems like Boner is much better at sticking to the Banker's script.  Ron Paul 2012.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:30 | 1685292 High Plains Drifter
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boehner is a sell out and a traitor and always has been. he is bought and sold and does what he is told like the good little slave he is. i am sick of them. imho, 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:23 | 1685014 JW n FL
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Boner says??

Pitting one group against another is not what?? it is ALL the Leadership of the United States does!

Billion Dollar Lobby v. Po Sheepish Consumers of the World

All Day! Every Day!!


Lets get this Austerity up and going already!! if we are going to have any real change we need the Masses Hungry (Pun Intended) for it! LOL!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:27 | 1685031 SheepDog-One
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Exactly, 'pit one group against another class warfare or race warfare' is ALL demicans and republicrats have been doing for decades, while behind the scenes robbing everyone blind. 

What will it take for people to see the obvious? Worst case scenario I guess. In the meantime, american sheeple just LOVE being told who to be mad at as the reason for their shitty empty slave lives by the politicians who then dangle the 'But we'll get back at them for you' carrot out in front of their faces.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:45 | 1685115 Bicycle Repairman
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Don't forget gender warfare.  Kinda brings it right into your house.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:47 | 1685122 SheepDog-One
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Yes any type of difference in people imaginable, the repubicrat/demican govt has a war designed for it! 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:32 | 1685300 High Plains Drifter
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hey dog. its monday .   who is playing tonight on monday night football?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:46 | 1685352 Bicycle Repairman
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Rams and Giants.  It's a joke.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:24 | 1685016 baby_BLYTHE
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In measure of good faith, Obama and Boehner should volunteer their lungs to an MRI machine. No doubt they'd be as black as their collective soul.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:13 | 1686344 TheFourthStooge-ing
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In measure of good faith, Obama and Boehner should volunteer their lungs to an MRI machine. No doubt they'd be as black as their collective soul.

They have souls?


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:23 | 1685017 Outlaw Of The W...
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The world would be infinitely happier and more free if london and its vassalage on the potomac were leveled by nuclear bombs.

"Our" government has become a sworn enemy within representing international interests at the expense of the citizens of America.

Europe is in complete lockdown.  The serfs are slaves with NO participation in their economic or political affairs.  We are at an inflection point.

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." - Lord Acton


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:26 | 1685029 earnulf
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And so the political theater continues with everyone pointing fingers and blaming the other person for all the troubles and ills that we suffer.      There must be a lack of mirrors in Washington because the real cause is the people up there pointing fingers.

Funny, I'd bet that we could find enough ZH'ers to represent all 50 states in both houses of Congress.   Give us a week and we could not only cut the deficit, but probably provide a surplus to boot.      Of course there would be a lot of Government workers looking for jobs after that week was over and a lot of folks on the dole who would be having to take that minimum wage job because the benis from Uncle Sam would be over and done with.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:27 | 1685034 economessed
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So is this supposed to be some kind of staged fight between the apparently wealthy "job creators" and the apparently unemployed "job doers"?  Are we supposed to pick sides or place bets?  Is this part of the bread thing or the circus thing?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:34 | 1685066 SheepDog-One
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Right, now is the time the 2 headed 1 party WWF show picks a fight between 'the rich' and 'the poor'...which is really a joke these days as all 'millionaires' I know are feeling the pinch big time. This is just cheap class warfare BS and I hope americans see thru it and reject the billionaires who are trying to make the public mad at millionaires. Something tells me its not working anymore, I even see kids today with 'End The FED' t shirts.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:48 | 1685123 Bicycle Repairman
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Don't get mad at the politicos.  They're just looking to see if anything from a very successful 1970s playbook will work now.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685134 SheepDog-One
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Well it wont, today we're nothing like the 70's after a 30 year concerted plan to sell off all american manufacturing and jobs overseas under the guise of 'free trade' BS.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1685357 Bicycle Repairman
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Not even inflation with fixed tax brackets?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:26 | 1686029 bid the soldier...
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There may be something in Rasputin's playbook.  You should check it out.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:31 | 1685054 nah
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:32 | 1685061 GCT
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We can post here all day long and in the end if you try to make money, this administration wants you to be criminal.  If our politicians really wanted to do something they would institute a flat tax.  Fair to all.  Once this new millionaire tax hits even the common people that invest in 401k's and the market will be paying more as well, this is a capital gains tax.  I am sick of all the class bickering when all it is, is an excuse to spend more fucking money.  I do not make 6 figures. I really do not care what Buffett or all the rich folks have.  I have nothing to prove to anyone and could care less f they are driving Mercedes or Ferrari's.  Live in mansions or what not who cares.

All I fricking care about is being able to actually make a living without 50% of it going to Federal, state and local taxes.  Enough already. Now the dimwit wants to take your house deduction.  So I figure this is not all about the rich as usual.  Go read it.  More taxes to the tune of 500 billion and it is not only the rich paying.  If you actually work and make a decent wage your fucked again. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:32 | 1685062 Gandalf6900
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just close the FED, close TBTF, hang all CEO Bankers, eliminate lobbys, fire all economists and financial experts (as in put them on fire) and give us back our country already...I guarantee you my kids and their kids and all the ones after that will be much much obliged

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:36 | 1685074 RobotTrader
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Rick Perry must be endorsing Polo shirts.  RL now at world record highs, $28 to $150 in under 3 years

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:37 | 1685077 sbenard
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Emperor Obama doesn't make serious proposals because his agenda is NOT recovery. It's catastrophe! He is intentionally trying to collapse the economy so that he can bring his global  government. He is literally the Marxist in Chief, and his agenda is a Marxist one! NO private property is safe as long as he remains in the White House!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:59 | 1685168 kiss_my_grits
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Do you realize that you sound like a fucking idiot?    People like you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:37 | 1685078 Gandalf6900
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and to think of it, it is all very simple...100 million americans have to go to the streets and just say NO...thats all it takes, just put down the remote, the beer, the shiny gold you are hoarding, the lubricant, the whatever the hell you are fiddling with and go say no for however long it takes, sure some will die, maybe even 1/3 but when the dust has settled, and when the sun rises again, the USA will be a better place.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:45 | 1685116 Outlaw Of The W...
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I think it would take only 1000 cells of 3 men to get the job done.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685130 CrimsonAvenger
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You can have my lubricant when you pry it out of my cold, dead...oops, damn, slipped out of my hands again.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:37 | 1685079 Piranhanoia
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I want to grow up to be drunk and orange.  Do I have to smoke irradiated tobacco, or is it in the booze?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685090 Outlaw Of The W...
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better than being an abandoned drug dealing mulatto born of a teen-aged, communist whore and an unknown sperm donor.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:21 | 1686368 TheFourthStooge-ing
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better than being an abandoned drug dealing mulatto born of a teen-aged, communist whore and an unknown sperm donor

...also known as the gang on K Street.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:38 | 1685080 Gandalf6900
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bunch of chickenshits thats the problem

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:38 | 1685081 Where My Dawg At
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I have a hard enough time listening to the drivel that comes out of this guy's mouth and to think that his name is Boehner makes it that much worse. This guy is as much of a puppet as Obama. We're so screwed.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:39 | 1685083 Bartanist
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To state the obvious:

1. Bankers, the investment class and Traders are not creating jobs. If bankers, traders and the investment class were taxed more, would they decide not to earn a living?

2. Company Execs are employees and hence have been given jobs that they did not create. They are employed by the company because there are jobs available to service the needs of consumers. If Execs were taxed more would they decide not to make a living?

3. Consumers provide demand, which creates the need for products and service and hence the availability of consumers creates jobs.

Taxing consumers is counterproductive because it decreases demand. Tightening money decreases demand by putting less in the hands of consumers. Decreasing employment is counterproductive because it decreases demand. Collecting money in the hands of a few individuals decreases demand because it is misallocated and left fallow.

As usually Boehner has pulled a "boner" and has it ass backwards.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685091 Gandalf6900
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p.s. I have a boehner

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:40 | 1685096 lolmao500
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Total bull Boehner. You are as full of it as Obama. Go get a tan or something.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:49 | 1685125 kito
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john paulson is bullish. he says we CAN solve our problems. hes the best

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685131 TeresaE
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How in the hell will cutting entitlements fix ANYTHING?

The underlying problem remains the same:


All wealth-producing jobs moved overseas, government shutting down the few the hang on, more than half our countrymen depend on Uncle Sam for part of their lifestyles, acting as the world's policeman, three (plus) bullshit "wars," the war on drugs, these are just a few real problems, not symptoms.


Raising taxes or cutting old people's insulin shots won't change the problem.


Kick, kick, kick the can, kick it down the road.



Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:50 | 1685132 TeresaE
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How in the hell will cutting entitlements fix ANYTHING?

The underlying problem remains the same:


All wealth-producing jobs moved overseas, government shutting down the few the hang on, more than half our countrymen depend on Uncle Sam for part of their lifestyles, acting as the world's policeman, three (plus) bullshit "wars," the war on drugs, these are just a few real problems, not symptoms.


Raising taxes or cutting old people's insulin shots won't change the problem.


Kick, kick, kick the can, kick it down the road.



Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:40 | 1685330 Bicycle Repairman
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"How in the hell will cutting entitlements fix ANYTHING?"

This is just another kick of the can.  People sense that someone will be thrown under the bus.  They are desperate to make sure it is someone else.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:42 | 1686078 bid the soldier...
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As long as there still is a road and still is a can, I say kick the mother.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:51 | 1685143 buzzsaw99
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take the steps necessary to strengthen our entitlement programs..


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:43 | 1685338 Bicycle Repairman
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He means SS.  Boehner knows that the elderly are big GOP supporters.  The GOP has been advised:  the elderly are focused on one issue, SS.  If the GOP messes with SS they will become a permanent "rump" party.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:51 | 1685148 Stuck on Zero
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Job creators?   Job creators?  What bilge. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:53 | 1685151 onlooker
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Obama is dumb to think he can fool most of the people most of the time or he is as smart as the left says he is, because he appears to be doing exactly that.


The first two years of his administration with both houses and the WH in full control was an opportunity to start to turn the economy around and have lie enforcement expose and convict the criminal economic Wall Street was wasted.


Instead, what he did was bad history for the US and the World. Now in his third year, he is spending the precious time capitol of America in a no nonsense barred run, for reelection.


He insults this Nation, his Nation, our Nation by his adolescent response to a grin reality of historic proportions.


To blame all the problems upon Obama is nonproductive. But, he does have the limelight, he does have media control and he can sway much that happens in the Nation and the World.


The question that we have not been able to answer and the action that we have not been able to implement is how do we turn this guy around to address and try to fix the realities of our problems. A part of the problem may be that his reality is not the reality of America.


It may be that change for the better will not happen under Obama. If so, we need to focus upon a new president and abandon attempts to change this one. We are out of time to make another mistake. This time we need to get it right.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1685366 Bicycle Repairman
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"The first two years of his administration with both houses and the WH in full control was an opportunity to start to turn the economy around and have lie enforcement expose and convict the criminal economic Wall Street was wasted."

Whether you loved him or hated him, you must admit that now he is a complete fraud.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:43 | 1685573 bid the soldier...
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Don't forget to save a lot of bile for whomever succeeds BO next year.  Obama's just the curtain raiser for the bells and whistles coming next.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:06 | 1685944 Bicycle Repairman
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We haven't had a good prez since Eisenhower and JFK.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:23 | 1686016 bid the soldier...
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They were better, because we were better.  By the time Johnson and Nixon came along, we were dropping napalm on women and children and a lot of Americans were okay with that. 

But for a really good president you have to go back to Truman. I almost met him at the 1952 convention in Chicago.  My uncle pushed me but I was too shy to walk over to him...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:25 | 1686385 TheFourthStooge-ing
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But for a really good president you have to go back to Andrew Jackson.

Fixed it for you.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:48 | 1686905 bid the soldier...
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Thanks, but what about this:

"Indian removal was a nineteenth century policy of the government of the United States to relocate Native American tribes living east of the Mississippi River to lands west of the river. The Indian Removal Act was signed into law by President Andrew Jackson on May 26, 1830"

What do you think of Jefferson?.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 21:52 | 1687091 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Jackson, like all humans, was flawed, and the Trail of Tears is a shameful chapter in American history.

Jackson also had balls and backbone, both of which have been missing from US presidents for decades. (In fact, I don't remember ever seeing a US president with balls and backbone, but the earliest one I remember was LBJ.) He remains the only president ever to pay off the national debt, and he dicked over the corrupt bankers by putting an end to the nation's second central bank.

If you hold a twenty dollar bill to your ear and listen carefully, you can almost hear him saying, "that's what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass, Biddle."


Tue, 09/20/2011 - 02:31 | 1687764 bid the soldier...
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I held the 20 up to my ear but all I heard was: 5 gallons of gas? WTF.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:45 | 1685574 bid the soldier...
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double double toil and trouble

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:06 | 1685191 PJPony
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you want to see the results of neo-liberalism, study the collapse of Argentina.

Neo-liberals were the total destruction of Argentina.  They ran on a platform of helping the common man, but once they were in office, they looted the country and sold all assets for bottom dollar.  Thousands, if not millions starved, while they entertained union leaders, rock stars and politicians of the world.

The unions became corrupt and quit working for the people.  They began enjoying the perks offered by politicians, banks and corporations and forgot their beginnings, much like the union leaders in the US are doing today.

The Argentinians called them all mafia.  They are still struggling against the corruption of the neo-liberals today, after all of the wealth of their country was stolen.

We are on the same path, if we do not wake up and get the corruption out of our country, not just out of Wallstreet or Washington.

Automatic life sentence for treason, or public hangings.  This is the only way to stop it.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1685396 High Plains Drifter
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the goy masonic networks are heavily involved in south america and always have been. i would like to ask lira the next time he is around here if he is a mason. i am sure he is...........

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:12 | 1685219 web bot
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This morning's teleprompter speech was nothing more than class warfare and an attempt to agitrate the base on the left for election posturing. He is an ardent, true socialist...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:19 | 1685249 PJPony
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I forgot to add the Supreme Court and corrupt judges to my above post.  They allowed all of the crooks to get off on all charges. 

If this all doesn't sound familiar to you, you must be residing under a rock.  This is about BOTH parties, working together, to maintain the status quo.  Their positions, power and wealth are all that matters to any of them.

I'm more and more afraid we are way past the point of no return and violence on a level far more severe than experienced by the people of Argentina, will be the only solution.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:23 | 1685268 monopoly
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Flat tax makes a lot of sense. Makes too much sense. Never happen.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1685386 High Plains Drifter
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when we see this game of pitting one side against the other here, then we can postulate that this is also going on in other places. such as the middle east.....

of course as far as it goes muslims will not stop to ponder just who it was that started islam and why? they think it is a real religion with a real history. many of them cannot go as far as saying that it was a lie from the beginning and was created for a thing i will say.. islam was created for a purpose. however, when belief systems like this are created, sometimes they can and do take on a life of their own. this has happened and sometimes it is hard to get back control of your creation. sometimes other things must be done to control the creation. so now the american zionist mercenary army is being used to whip the muslims back into shape, so to speak, and to make them bow the knee and do what they are told, or else....such is life in the gulag...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:14 | 1685443 Old Poor Richard
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I taste bile every time I hear the filthy rich being called "job creators."  Businesses create jobs, not idle rich people.  Some men and women create thousands of jobs while at the helm of manufacturing and tech companies.  But not a single wealthy person creates any jobs on account of their huge accumulated treasure beyond those for illegals tending their yards, nor does a single overpaid and underperforming executive in industries like banking and Hollywood create any jobs beyond that for their spoiled kids' nanny. 

We need a flat tax with no exemptions and identical treatment of all forms of earned and unearned income.   Not a pretend flat tax that treats capital gains or dividends differently for the benefit of "the [non-job creating] rich."


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:12 | 1685448 Jack Kreuz
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Savers don't create jobs, entrepreneurs do. Taxing savings reduces the amount of capital available to entrepreneurs.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1685456 ThisIsBob
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A  little muted enthusiasm for going off to strange blaces, blowing things up and killing people might save some money also,  Mr. effin peace prize.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 18:28 | 1686394 ghostcommander
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One ace in the hole that those that wear the republican label use is the "Big Lie"--tell lies, even preposterous lies and repeat them over and over to fool and brainwash the American citizens.

These fiscally irresponsible fake republicans are responsible for the massive increases in the national debt, but will not admit same. They use the Big Lie to blame President Obama and the Democrats.

These irresponsible 'things" are also co-culprits in the housing and financial sector "Housing Fraud Bubble" that led to the "almost" financial market collapse that began the Great Recession.

The after effects of the almost financial market collapse:
THe loss of $34,000,000,000,000 of America's wealth that took 232 years to create and will take many decades to recover.

The loss of millions of homes to foreclosure, millions more facing foreclosure, and millions "underwater in their homes.
The average loss of $100,00 in home owner's equity that may take up to 2 decades to recover..

The loss of millions and millions of jobs that will take over a decade to recover.

The loss of over 400,000 families to poverty.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:00 | 1686714 getplaning
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"Pitting one group of Americans against another is not leadership."


Project much, John?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 20:40 | 1686875 sgt_doom
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Hey!  Would that be the very same John Boehner who washed out of US Navy basic training or boot camp, then later claimed military service during Vietnam when he was running for the House the first time (until he was called out on his deception)????

And who exactly would listen to that fraudster halfwit???

'Nuff said......

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