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North Korea Has Allegedly Tested Nuclear Warheads For Iran
What is one sure thing sure to set triggerhappy warmonger fingers in the US and Israel on Defcon 1 more than the word Iran? The words Iran and North Korea. How about three nouns that will send crude soaring by at least $10 the second a CL trading algo sees them fly across Bloomberg? Try "Iran" "North Korea" and "Nukes." And if the following report just released by the Wiener Zeitung is even remotely correct, then Israel, the military industrial complex, and crude are all about to go ballistic, not necessarily in that order.
According to one of Europe's most famous newspapers, which in turn references a report in Welt am Sontag, North Korea has conducted at least two nuclear warhead tests in 2010, of which was on behalf of Iran. "This could mean that with North Korea's help Tehran may already have a tested nuclear warhead....According to the newspaper "Welt am Sonntag", this assumption is based on data from the Organization of the contract for the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban. Accordingly, the Swedish nuclear physicist Lars-Erik De Geer uses data from monitoring stations in South Korea, Japan and Russia and believes that North Korea instead of uranium, used plutonium in two prior secret tests as far back as in 2006 and 2009." What is striking here is the effluvience of meaningless innuendo and baseless allegations. But this certain plant may well be the false flag straw that breaks the camel's back. While it is unclear if it was planted by the US or Israel is irrelevant, it has one simple mission - to preempt even more irrationality by Iran, a day after its parliamentary election has put president Ahmedinajad in power vacuum limbo, with his chief opponent gaining vast popular support. Which is precisely what is needed to validate a response.
More from the Austrians, google translated:
The longtime director of the Policy Planning Staff in the German Defense Ministry, Hans Rühle, writes in the "Welt am Sonntag" that "some of which now go out intelligence that North Korea has actually conducted a nuclear test in 2010, at least for Iran.
Supposedly this means that all military operations now will take for granted that the axis of uber-evil, i.e., North Korea and Iran, now just can't wait to shoot ICBMs at every capital in the "free and democratic" western world, just because they "hate it for its freedoms" [sic].
One does not have to be a rocket scientist to realize that this is simply yet another media fallback alibi to justify an offensive incursion into Iran, if and when it is required. The only question is if the global deflationary collapse (ala Lehman) will happen before or after, which in turn, as John Taylor wrote a few days ago, will then be promptly followed by the (luckily) terminal central planning hyper-reflation experiment.
In the meantime, let the crude liberation begin.
h/t JohnGaltFla
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you idiot. krugman sez all war is bullish, so shut up and watch the funny money get BLOWED UP
/sarc
Ever since the term "Axis of Evil" was coined, North Korea, Iran and Iraq have been in the cross hairs.
I am just an ordinary person and I see and hear a lot that just doesn't add up. I fear that those itching to pull the trigger will "leak" to the press anything to justify the means to do so.
Has anyone ever thought to really try and make peace with these countries like they are doing with the Taliban now?
I feel sorry for the innocent who will become, dead, wounded or displaced in the near future, on all sides of the conflict while the leaders orchestrate this madness from the comfort of their ivory towers.
+1MM
... and this time some of the dead, wounded or displaced might be in New York, LA, or Washington, when someone gets so pissed off that he detonates a dirty bomb in one of these cities...
We are now messing with very dangerous situations, in a very dangerous time, and the people that are doing the messing are either psychopaths, or old men that have nothing to lose, or both...
It's not "nothing to lose" it's "everything to win". There is no other way they can make the extreme profits of war. They need to start another war. They can make terrible products and nobody will complain or ask for a refund. A gallon of gas for $1000 per gallon and you can pay a Pakastani next to nothing to deliver it 500 miles as long as you show some restraint and lack of arrogance by not shooting up too many Pakistanis or destroying their infrastructure too badly. Like they say, at least most of the needless destruction is over there.
Is the government even trying at propaganda anymore?
Where is curveball when you need him.
There are dozens of new curveballs, being prepared to sell their stories to the proxy media, who will do their best to stir the passions on the march towards war against the external threat (i.e. rally around the flag time).
The MEK is the new curveball. They supplied the "evidence" used by the IAEA to suggest that Iran is working on a nuke. Yes, folks, we live in a world where American politicians insist that information developed by the mujahedin and propagated through an "international organization" takes precedence over the statements of our own intelligence agencies and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs who say that Iran has no nukes.
The Illuminati must be getting desperate.
When all else fails, wheel out North Korea [insert *strikethrough* boogey man ]
Edit: I guess that Saudi Arabia thing wasn't sticking OR North Korea is sitting on an ocean of texas tea...
"North Korea suspends nuclear activities, takes food aid"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/29/us-north-korea-suspends-nuclear-activities/?test=latestnews
What exactly is going on here?
If you have 5 produced and ready to go, why make any more? Get some Fruity Pebbles shipped over, fresh porn, and act nice while Iran gets attacked for no damned good reason and without a declaration of war.
We are taking a huge gamble that NK, Pak, China or Russia haven't given Iran a bomb. Those 3 carrier groups bunched together like sitting ducks, close to 3 shores... can be taken out by one bomb.
Any military strategist with one functioning brain cell knows those ships need to be far offshore. There they are out of harms way and their planes can attack at a very long distance.
Maybe that's the plan. Sacrifice a few carriers to justify their war.
But, Ron Paul says there's no evidence that Iran has anything close to a bomb. Now, I like the guy, but we know the N Koreans have it... isn't it plausible they or Pakistanis could share the technology. I don't know, I still don't want to go to war over spilt milk.
This isn't about the bomb. If it wasn't the bomb it would be something else. This is about justifying a possible pre-emptive strike over resources and trade routes using an old hollywood script we've all already read.
That way the suckers have something else to lean on other than 'moral authority' and 'evil people' since 'in the name of freedom and democracy' prolly won't quite cut it this time.
Yep
"This is about justifying a possible pre-emptive strike over resources and trade routes using an old hollywood script we've all already read. "
AND just yesterday the headline was?
Iran Announces Huge Oil Field Discovery
lmao, u got junked 14 times in a row because you said Ron Paul might be wrong
I think what Ron Paul is trying to say is that Iran won't use the weapons on us, and that if they do have them, what difference does it make... Pakistan has them and Pakistan has repeatedly said it would use them against the US in the event of war
He's quoting the statement by all US intelligence agencies and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Only the IAEA has said that Iran is working on nukes and that is based on documents provided by the mujahedin.
Who do you trust more, the Pentagon or the mujahedin?
It is obvious Iran already has plenty of nukes and is building more ASAP to defend itself.
How do you "defend yourself" with a nuke? A nuke is a MAD deterrent against aggression, not a defensive weapon. Whether you have 1 or 6,000 makes little difference.
We really need a better class of troll around here! Can you get one of your more experienced blog jockeys to fill in for you?
You don't need plenty of nukes to defend but the perception that you might have one.
I think... We need to bomb some country. Seems to be the best way to spread democracy and freedom.
The Iranians and or Koreans will throw flowers at EU and US troops.
Long Blackwater and MI Complex.
LOL, it would help Obama's ratings in the polls. Good enough reason to kill a few hundred thousand civilians, er, collateral damage units.
Polls are for proles
The way they are fucking with Iran is obvious, The restraint they have shown so far is commendable.
Rheteric is being turned up to a boil http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/02/israel-plans-test-missile-system-obama-talks
These psychos will get their war, then what?, bomb again in 2 yrs when the Iranians rebuild? and every 2 yrs after that?
As scary as all this is, the potential here is much much worse..You are dealing with Benjamin Netanyahu here, what do you think he will do when the first volly of Fajr-3 missles Kills 1000's of Israelis? if this goes down it will go nuclear in a week
We will all have skin in this game
This is all about the petro dollar. We need the Saudis to be scared of a neighbor, so they'll let us "protect them" (yeah, right) and get oil for our printed monopoly money in exchange.
We may indeed bomb them to reduce the immediate threat, but we won't destroy them as a future threat. That would defeat the purpose.
It's all about US interests. Worthless fiat for a valuable resource. Any other justification is BS.
That "kinetic military actions" can be hard on the locals sometimes.
But you know what they say you can't scramble an egg without breaking some eggs.
And don't forget: "It'll all be over by Christmas." ;]
You got a little Mayan in you?
want one?
No, thank you. I've given up Mayans for Lent.
As Scooby would say,,,,,rah...row....raggy!
stateside
Make it loud...
Apocalypse Now..Ride Of The Valkyries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI
in the end fuck a bunch of salpheads and mullahs...
No luck that you will be @ ground Zero eh?
are you in the military? didn't i see you in a video pissing in afganistan?
I guess the article about N. Korea shutting down its nuclear defense and enrichment facilities was true. They sold it for lunch money to Iran.
It all makes perfect sense now.
Does the market go up or down during nuclear war? Or, do you think it will stay at Dow 13,000?
It would not be unusual for the ticker tape of the free market to end at 13,000 since war-like social events seem to be occuring according to coincidental numbers.
bullish
no such fanfare when India and Pakistan became nuclear powers
True, but they didn't threaten one of our allies. BTW, didn't Pakistan steal the tech?
Yizroel is "our ally". Thanx for comic relief.
Oh there you are you NAZI.
At the FC, you get a kick in the balls whenever you are the first to resort to 'Nazi'.
One hardly needs to be a Nazi to think Israel is not an ally. Where were their troops in Korea? Vietnam? Gulf Fracas I? Bosnia? Somalia? Iraq? Afghanistan? Any fight the US has ever been in?
I cant seem to find a single case of military involvement with Israel beyond them attacking one of our ships and being a military aid welfare case. If you consider that an ally, fine its your opinion but mine is that with "allies" like that who needs enemies?
Paraphrasing DeGaulle: "Israel has no friends, only interests."
Sorry, but as a military man, the Israelis showed me all I need to know when they attacked the USS Liberty and left our sailors to die.
Israel has raised Blackmail to an artform.
No, I am not anti-Jew; only anti-Zionist.
Ron Paul for President.
go back and tell them they need to send someone smarter than you to this board. huffnpuffers or yahoo is more your speed.
"BTW, didn't Pakistan steal the tech?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
The investigation exposed Israeli businessman turned engineer Asher Karni as having sold component of centrifugal devices to Khan's associates and its roots were also found in aiding Israeli nuclear program as well.[44] Karni was the source providing electronic materials to Israeli nuclear programme to Pakistan's nuclear development.[44] Tahir was arrested in Malaysia in May 2004 under a Malaysian law allowing for the detention of individuals posing a security threat.[44]
In September 2005, Musharraf revealed that after two years of questioning Khan — which the Pakistan government insisted on doing itself without outside intervention — that they had confirmed that Khan had supplied centrifuge parts to North Korea.
Which leads to:
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/02/06/Diplomat_Says_Pakistan_Will_Retali...
"A diplomat based in Islamabad said on Sunday that an Israeli attack on Iran would force Pakistan to support a Iranian response, according to the Israeli website Ynetnews.com. The diplomat did not say if the Pakistani retaliation would be diplomatic or involve a conventional military or nuclear response. Although estimates of Pakistan’s nuclear stockpile vary, it is believed the Islamic country has between 70 and 90 warheads."
Hakuna matata, dumb ass
Pakistan's chief nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, has confessed to sharing nuclear technology with Iran, Libya, and North Korea in a 12-page document presented to President Pervez Musharraf, according to a briefing given by government officials in Islamabad.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0202/p07s02-wosc.html
also, it astounds me that nukes weren't used btwn. Pakistan and India over Kashmir
you do realize that so called N Korean ICBMs have a commodore 64 refurbished by china down by the river as its guidance computer and when the soviets sold them the boosters they only put enough fuel in them to just NOT make it into orbit right? And that the second one of those things were fired, our Sattelite Laser Defense System will roast it seconds after launch, meanwhile a B2 Stealth bomber will be pooping out nuke after nuke after nuke after nuke after nuke completely undetered over NK or Iran, or, if they are bored, both countries in one run.
"you do realize that so called N Korean ICBMs have a commodore 64 refurbished by china down by the river as its guidance computer and when the soviets sold them the boosters they only put enough fuel in them to just NOT make it into orbit right?"
You had me right up 'till missile defense. Big ol' belly laughs!
Firstly, learn how to spell satellite, and secondly, the Empire does not have a constellation of Death Stars.
A human translation of the paragraph you quoted:
Which is a bit different and less definitive than what you quoted. Figure I point that out ...
Is whoever down-arrowed you for that fluent in German?
vielen dank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUryeDLpY_c
#Accordingly, the Swedish nuclear physicist Lars-Erik De Geer uses data from monitoring stations in South Korea, Japan and Russia
#
LIAR LAIR , PANTS ON FIRE
excuse me.. how did 'Swedish nuclear physicist' get access to TOP #UCKING DATA IN RUSSIA ?
everything that has 'nuclear' word attached is top secret in Russia.. it was, has been , and will be ... you dont have thousands nuclear war heads just for fun.
try to get this info in USA
alx
"try to get this info in USA" ... and you'll be marked as a terrorist and get tracked by drones for the rest of your (now shorter) life.
The composition of the IAEA is remarkably diverse.
They have nuclear testing monitoring stations worldwide - including in Russia.
The data gathered is made available to select researchers on a global basis.
North Korea is sponsored by China. Russia has no objection to providing data that embarasses China.
barliman
North Korea is sponsored by China. Russia has no objection to providing data that embarasses China.
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Really?
North Korea has proven one thing. They are not on the US citizen short list for being dealt with in a near future.
Lately, Russia sustained flak for blocking UN resolution, caught in the free press limelight, while China had the same position and received much less.
So, yes, maybe, this 'revelation' embarasses NK and through them, China. NK has proven that they know how to get the best out of those little 'revelations' in terms of foreign policy accomodation.
But the 'revelation' also embarasses Iran, a much deeper burning this time.
Iran is the hot point today, the must do on US citizen list.
And Iran is strongly linked to Russia, in a manner wanted more obvious by US citizens as shown by the last free press campaign.
Silly Russians. They have no restraining from sinking NK to embarass China. Including when the revelation damages their own interests even more.
Change of perspective ...
Russia wants Iran dependent upon Russia. It is not a stretch to say that Russia does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. They have lots of fuel they could provide - but then the Iranians might provide one or two to friends that would use them in Russia.
The North Koreans supporting Iran leads back to the same potential of Russia being targeted by weapons sourced from Iran to people hostile to others. It is also in Russia's interest to put this "intelligence" out in the public eye if it is true as a means of forcing China's hand.
My view is Obama is being pressured by Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern states to "solve" the Iran problem. If he does, they will honor Saudi Arabia's promise to keep oil below $ 100/barrel. If he doesn't, they will have a lot more money and their oil to use as a means of acheiving 'parity' with Iran.
Do you truly believe a Mafia state like Russia gives a shit what is said in the press?
barliman
What change of perspective?
Among the four involved nations, China, Iran, North Korea, Russia, the 'revelation' is the hottest for Iran as it nullifies their public relation declarations.
Iran is the one sitting on the powder keg right now, not North Korea that has shown in the past its capacity to get the most out of these situations.
I doubt that Russians believe for one second that a 'freed' Iran will be dependent on the Russians and not US citizen nations.
And that 'revelation' serves much more the interests of those who want to 'free' Iran than it serves keeping Iran under russian yoke.
Do you truly believe a Mafia state like Russia gives a shit what is said in the press?
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Funny how US citizens are naturally leant to reverse certain kind of relation.
Propaganda is designed to serve the interests of the propagandist. If the topic of the propaganda is different from the propagandist, propaganda seldom serves the interests of the target.
That assumption is like claiming that Iraq should not bother about what the free press wrote about WMDs and such.
What Russia is does not matter.
What matters is who the progagandist is. Is that propagandist used to build up tales to justify war?
One can easily understand why Russia has to get concerned about what the free press tells.
Propaganda is usually meant to serve the interests of the propagandist. Not the reverse.
The purpose of propoganda is to defeat reason.................but you know that, don't you ?
If you only view what stories you see in the media as being the work of only one country ...
... you need a change of perspective. You assign the motives behind this article to fit your world view.
It is "hottest for Iran" in a 'game of checkers' world view.
The world and the actions of nation states do not fit into a simplistic paradigm analysis model.
barliman
Of course they don't want Iran to have a-bombs, they aren't fools, but they don't have a say in that either.
At the moment all these countries in the region (and also DPRK, despite recent moves to obtain food aid) are bound into an alliance of mutual necessity against NATO as the 'friendly' face shopfront for US strategic moves.
After Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain and Syria, they all know they must hang together or hang separately, so combine forces and strategy to provide mutual support, to lever the USA and NATO out of the region, permanently.
A regional proxy-war has been coming for some time and now it can not be avoided any longer.
" ... but they don't have a say in that either."
Remember Vladimir Putin? de facto leader of Russia? Oppressor of Chechnya? Has actively interfered on a multitude of levels to effect change in multiple nation states?
"After Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain and Syria ..." - What role did America take to initiate destabilization any of those countries? Beyond Obambi diffidently doing all he could to not do anything? The only "active" hand America used was drones in Yemen - but the 'outside agitators' had been there for years before they allowed America's use of drones.
A regional war has been constantly brewing in the Middle East over the last 700 years. A new one will have more complex roots than just the USA and NATO.
barliman
"North Korea suspends nuclear activities, takes food aid"
The New World order leaders need a diversion from the economic problems. Another money-making war.
There are white people in Switzerland making black holes and anti-matter.
Nuclear weapons are soooooo 1950's technology.
Wake me up when it grows into bombs.
Whoa dude. Sometimes reality just happens, ya-know.
If Iran had tested a nuke through NK, they would have brought another home to test to show that they were now a nuclear power.
The policeman of the world doesn't attack countries that can defend themselves.
This may be the false flag that web bot technology has been surfacing. If linguistics are to be believed, then we're looking at a nuclear incident within days.
(I'm not associated with the web bot people.)
Link?
Check the links to the right...
http://halfpasthuman.com/
Lies.
And even better, March 7 is approaching... Full moon, while Russia is in the middle of big trouble because of the election and the day of Purim...
Purim (Hebrew: ???????? (help·info) Pûrîm "lots", from the word pur,[2] related to Akkadian p?ru) is a Jewish holiday that commemorates the deliverance of the Jewish people in the ancient Persian Empire from destruction in the wake of a plot by Haman, a story recorded in the Biblical Book of Esther (Megillat Esther).
2012 : March 7-8...
March 5 : Obama meets Bibi.
Shit about to get real people.
...the laborer of the harvest would plant the seed and it had a lifetime to grow. That measure of time is over.
The time of the Great Tribulation is here, at the door. The planting of the seed of a lifetime has ended. There is only the quickening of prophecy and the confirmation of those that shall be converted as a result of having heard the prophetic warning and are about to live and witness it in short order. If this were not the case, then the prophecy would be false and the signs upon this generation just ironic. Lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZCEmWEwVk&feature=channel_video_title
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/read/index.php?pageid=seism_read&rid=232346
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/read/index.php?pageid=seism_read&rid=232415
8.8 2/27/2010 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2010/us2010tfan/
9.0 3/11/2011 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/2011/usc0001xgp/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/the-hum-leaves-village-ears-ringing-185609.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203986604577259213579683978.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Do you realize they refer to Israel as the "little satan" and the US as the "big satan"? Do you really think, even if Israel were out of the picture, radical islam would stop there?
this chicken and egg query is easy. i'll explain it to you. radical islam is a creation of israel and the usa. when radical islam was successfully created the new creation began to call israel and th eusa little satan and big satan. is it clear now. it is ad hominem blowback because we called them and treated them like sand niggers, towel heads, camel jockeys.
by the way, israel has always been that little punk kid on the playground that makes himself such a nuisance while hiding behind the teacher's skirt that someone eventually pounds the sht out of him because it becomes the right thing to do.
Your comment: "radical islam is a creation of israel" may need emendation. I read somewhere that the British supported the early growth of Wahabism. Same gantg of thieves, of course.
Look I've tested many nukes for foreign powers in my time. And the way to do it is not to make it public. That alone makes me suspicious of a hoax. You always need a diversion like a tsunami and a nuclear power plant that supposedly went off line.
And by the way, if we invade Iran we'll be in Teheran within 4 days and the war will be over and the people of Iran will rejoice and start acting like Americans the next day. And Our superior cultural sensitivity dept has already notifed McDonald's Corp not to include McRib Sandwiches on the menu there. We'll turn 'em into mall rats yet, just watch.
Close
Until the crackdowns of the last several years, the youth of Iran had become very westernized and eager to leave the "Khomeni revolution" behind. They have since had the opportunity to observe firsthand that they do not live in a democracy and the current regime is perfectly fine with killing their own people in the streets. Iranians are Persians and not Arabs. While the regime is based on religious fanaticism, there have been lots of reports from non-Western sources documenting the differences in worldview between Iranians and "people in the street" of the various Arab nations.
barliman
We should arm them in that case. And fund it through the local heroin trade. Standard
Lol, Iran Contra not so far away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ7NVjZ-Eyg
Two words: "Smart Power"
The Obambi administration has been unwilling to take any stand supporting the dissident movements in Iran in any way, shape or form - including refusing to denounce the killing of innocent bystanders so they would not create barriers to negotiations with the Iranian regime.
This has been covered extensively by Tyler in the two years and eleven weeks you have been a member.
barliman
That they have been 'westernized', maybe.
But that their 'westernization' brings the fruits they expect from it is another story.
No matter the angle they choose, it wont change the expectations and the demands US citizens have on the geographical space Iranians occupy.
The nineteenth century lecture, in short.
Ok ...
Note that for three years, Iran was on the Obambi administration's back burner as noted in my post just above.
Then note that about a month or so ago, the Saudi's 'promise' to keep oil below $ 100/barrel.
In the last four weeks, the Obambi administration starts talking tough to Iran. (Discounting the nonsense Valerie Jarret is leaking to the press - she didn't want OBL killed)
Then take this statement I made to you above: "My view is Obama is being pressured by Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern states to "solve" the Iran problem. If he does, they will honor Saudi Arabia's promise to keep oil below $ 100/barrel. If he doesn't, they will have a lot more money and their oil to use as a means of acheiving 'parity' with Iran."
I know people across the political spectrum. I don't know of any "demands US citizens have on the geographical space Iranians occupy". I have read articles in non-Western media about how concerned the Middle Eastern states are about Iran having nuclear weapons.
barliman
OPEC can control oil price?
You mean that they have the capacity to beat any side effect of QEs?
Up to the stars and beyond, infinite growth, here we come, as brought to you courtesy of US citizens.
OPEC can control the price of oil.
Petrodollars are still a force to be reckoned with in the markets. If you are willing to short the uptrend , have the cash or its equivalent on hand to support your play and view short term losses that save you money on not having a serious, all out arms race in the region ... yeah, you can control the price of oil.
barliman
Read some of your many posts on this subject, you seem really distraught about America citizens. Pious much? Please separate the citizens from the government, insofar as we are also subjects of an imperial banking system virus that came from Europe.
As for warmongering, recall that the whole point of the EU was to prevent "European (global?) citizens" from killing each other after 400 years of constant war. And Europe did oh so well colonizing the New World and the Far East without a single drop of indigenous blood. The Napoleanic wars were a bright spot compared to your two World Wars started by your grandfathrs before Americans were asked to get involved. So, if those pesky genocidal Yugoslavians act up again, please don't call us to clean up the mess in your own feckless backyard. And, if you start another war with Libya to secure their oil for your own collapsing banker experiments, the phone is unplugged, we're busy.
The former Eastern European Soviet Bloc countries may not share your view, but no matter, we American citizens will gladly remove all our military from EU soil and you can pay the extra 2.5% GDP straw-in-the-camel's-back costs of defending yourselves since we're already broke. War is hell, get over it.
BTW, Keep paying those European "citizenism" climate change taxes. It's working already! Because of you, global warming has been stopped in it's tracks -- for the last 15 years according to Phil Jones, East Anglia University. Please don't miss a payment or we're all doomed. Thank you for saving us.
European citizenism? Made me laugh.
European nations have adopted US citizenism ('Americanism') as a system.
Why call that European citizenism as the US of A was the first nation of the world to emerge and adopt that system, right?
The nineteenth century colonialism is a byproduct of US citizenism. Bear with it.
I swear, you must be a 14 yo excercising your EU citizenism on Papa's computer. Ever eat a French fry at MacDonalds? Breaking news: The USA itself is a patchwork of hundreds of years of former outposts and colonies -- of the French, British, Dutch, Spanish, and Russian empires long before the 19th century. Europe invented Colonial mercantilsim. Thanks for the African slave trade, too.
India, Australia, the Middle East, the Carribbean, Africa, China have similar experiences as the USA. Spanish conquest, Belgian Congo, Apartheid SA, Chinese Opium Wars, French Polynesia -- any of those legacies ring a bell? Ghandi and Indian independence from Britain? Ever wonder why Brazil speaks Portuguese, and the rest of Central and South Americans speak Spanish?
For real... don't ever miss a single payment of your European (global) citizenism carbon taxes or we all instantly die of global warming. We owe you. There's been no more warming so that's proof. No one can ever accuse Europe of having invented another colonial scheme to tax the world for their own gain. The Chinese, Indians, and Russians are all knuckle-dragging fools.
Im not sure hes european, but that guy is the dumbest sumbitch in the ZH peanut gallery- and that aint easy.
Youre quite correct but I suspect its seriously mentally ill, not worth a rational response. Verifiable fact is passe for many here, but for that one its garlic to a vampire.
iranians don't like the usa so they will likely rejoice with borsht and moo goo gai pan.
Seems pretty far fetched and desperate to suggest North Korea tested a nuke for Iran.
What is the proof of the Iranian connection?
Lets go poke the hornets nest some more... What a great time to see how the new fearless leader of the greatest korea responds to us yankee imperialist bastards. You know about first impressions right, especially when you have tens of millions of starving proles to keep in line. For a long time i thought that Republic of NK would just go off the deep end. Was looking to see the little spat over that island escalate but nothing came of it.. Nonetheless NK seems best left alone.
Blair and Bush and Big John Howard
Sophist, crook and little coward
Sick in mind and word and deed
slaves of fear and fame and greed
Kings they are in their own sight
but kings who never lead a fight
all they know is how to lie
and how to let poor people die
many thousands have they killed
and many coffers have they filled
these men of rank these men of means
these men who've killed so many dreams
they led us to Iraq and war
with lies they led us, lies and more
they sanctioned children to their death
they curry hate with every breath
and soon, who knows, Iran maybe
through secret friends the Israeli
or open warfare waged with nukes
and covered up by lying spooks
and all to keep the dollar strong
and oil flowing right or wrong
the fiat dollar doomed to hell
and oil doomed to peak as well
and housing bubbles due to burst
but that's not all and not the worst
the population's doomed to fall
and climate change will kill us all
and in the midst of all this shit
our lying leaders do their bit
at home they laugh and joke and play
their victims, many, die each day
but do they care? no not one bit
these scumbag leaders full of shit
these men who kill and just with words
these men are cunts these men are turds
Blair and Bush and Big John Howard
Sophist, crook and little coward
killers, thieves, and fucking liars
it's time they wore Soweto tyres
pop
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I assume the source of this absurd story is a cockroach associated with some Zionist pressure group somewhere.
CIA fed propaganda.
US owes one to Germany.
Germany can exploit part of the Greek oil South of Crete.
Any questions?
All discerning eyes look to Israel as the source of this crap. They have no hope in a conventional war against Iran without US backing, and even they know a "tactical' nuclear strike against Tehran is an "everybody out of the water" move, so they're the ones who have to gain by the fearmongering.
That and the fact that they're just as much radical fundamentalists as any Muslim theocrat or Rick Santorum.
Wow this is a dumb story. Come on you warmongering bitches! What are we paying you for, if you can't do better than this? We're supposed to believe this crap?
Seriously?
TAKE IT HOME, AND TRY AGAIN!!
riddle me this. the christian zionists want israel destroyed so their god of light and thunder will make an appearance to grant the earth 1000 years of peace. they support everything israel does because they think that whatever israel does will lead to israel's destruction. the israelis welcome and encourage the christian zionist support because they think the christians are crazy but useful and everything israel does is rational and not paranoid megalomania, the view of really rational people. who will the usa .gov ultimately support, the btshtcrzy israeli zionists and save israel or the btshtcrzy christian zionists and destroy israel.?
i can't bring myself to get very excited about 'saving' israel aka terrorist state #1.
Time to bomb those walking lollipops in North Korea back into the... wait.. hold on a sec...
I don't understand why we are having arguments. We are U.S.A., we can destroy every person living outside of the U.S.A. in 1-day.
this smells like a US government faux 'wikileak'.
If it plays on Faux News, then it is, for sure.
I know why folks are discussing Japan, as being a similar case of injustice.
There's a lot of bullcrap on these pages, but nobody
has said, as far as I can tell, that the Pearl Harbour attack was allowed
to happen because of the desire not to raise the alarm about US
codebreakers, and probably as a causus bellus.
The US then used the attack to go to war, and I think much the same is being
said about the twin thing in NY. what date was that?
However, attacking Iran based on falsehoods is Iraq, Part 2.
Some of you may remember this song...http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Fe797IL04
Japanese Embargo:
Southern resource area is now mostly chinese, northern resource area is now purely russian.
America has only a small slice of the southern resource area.
The article is based on undfunded speculation:
From an article in nature
"Ausgelöst hat diese Debatte ein Bericht der renommierten Fachzeitschrift „Nature“ im vergangenen Monat. Hierin werden Erkenntnisse des schwedischen Nuklearphysikers Lars-Erik de Geer vorgestellt, der für die Swedish Defence Research Agency in Stockholm Radioisotope in der Atmosphäre erforscht. De Geer hatte Daten ausgewertet, die von verschiedenen Messstationen in Südkorea, Japan und Russland im Auftrag der Organisation des Vertrags über das umfassende Verbot von Nuklearversuchen (CTBTO) gesammelt worden waren."
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13901079/Iran-soll-Atombombe-i...
What I don't get from several of the above comments is, if it is true, that Iran has a tested nuke, since 2010 ... what then can be the 'logic' that says this therefore is the time, or this is a go-signal to attack Iran?
Nonsense!
Quite the reverse has become the case, as doing so starts a hot war with a country that now knows it has its own strategic backstop and therefore confidence to act, as they know the bigger-powers also realise they can not allow Iran to be defeated and destroyed by the USA, because Iran could then be force to go all the way.
And they really might.
Look; Why does the USA avidly support Israel, with copious weapons and aid since 1973?
It's because if Israel was about to fall, they would most probably use several nuclear weapons, to make sure the attacks stopped, with a threat that more was to come. People forget that the Soviet Union warned the US directly at the time that if Israel was not stopped from defeating the Arabs Russia would incinerate Israel.
Which is somewhat more serious than what the Iranian President was misquoted as saying--this was the cold war, and that was the M.A.D. bargain. Of course Israel then stopped. That is how this works. And Russia is again making rather forthright statements about the topic once more. Israel knows the deal.
Those nuclear-capable Russian naval forces are in the region for some rather blunt strategic punctuation in case Israel is tempted to forget that they will not be permitted to continue to militate for further changes to the strategic alignment of the region. Indeed, I expect Russia will start to reverse it.
The exact same logic applies with Iran, now, if they have a weaponised A-bomb, and get backed up against a wall, by a US NATO and Israeli attack.
We have Russia and China and Pakistan, three nuclear powers, all more then capable of totally smashing Israel and every US and NATO base in the region, within minutes, saying that they will support Iran in any war with the USA and Israel.
This is potentially a nuclear war, right over the oil fields!
Now Washington may be full of coopted ultra-jerks but the Pentagon is not actually suicidal.
If true there consequently can be no attack on Iran.
This is called old-fashioned nuclear deterrence, and it works, and the Western nuclear powers don't want everyone else to know that nuclear deterrence works, because the missile defences won't ever stop nukes getting in or prevent an EMP attack from succeeding.
These things are being made known now, or at least being put about, due to the Israeli trip to Washington to militate and push for war.
Netanyahoo has failed.
The Sanctions will persist, of course, but the West is blowing its foot off, and Iran will not be permitted to be crushed, plus Syria will not be permitted to fall to a mere bunch of feral rebel idiots, and if Lebanon were attacked then Israel would be mauled.
It's going to take Israel a generation (and several major slap-downs, still to come) to adjust to its failure, and enduring isolation, and a much diminished strategic status and bargaining position. These sorts of stand-offs never end quickly, they go on for decades, and it will get much, much worse before it gets better.
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Meanwhile, Bernanke is putting his foot down on the inflation pedal once more to try and force more revolutionary sentiment and a desperate pleading to USA and EU for 'help' from the ME's starving masses who can no longer afford food staples and fuel.
i.e. More geopolitical instability as Round-2 of the Global-Financial-War gets rolling into 2013.
You wouldn't expect less in the German newspaper"Welt am Sonntag", which is part of a Jewish owned publishing house, would you?
Next chapter in the script: A Colin Powell like presentation of 'evidence'
So North Korea, with a dictatorship that systematically starves its own people for decades and running, is testing nukes for a government that has stolen the wealth of a country and siphoned it into terrorist organizations, into the coffers of "mullahs" and thieves, and into making nuclear bombs that they can follow through on annihiliating the state of Israel.
And you say the above. God, talk about losing the plot.
I'd say that with all that stolen money, dictatorial powers and government control, the leaders in North Korea and Iran have it made. Ergo, they have nothing to gain from a nuclear war and everything to lose. The only benefit they get is from threatening war, not from actually starting one. You could say the same for us.
So please return to that book you're reading with the great plot and stop trying to get the rest of us interested in fiction.
Remain calm.
Lichtenstein has developed a UFO type device that cruises at Mach50 and has a death star laser weapon that can obliterate 500,000 square miles with one burst! Be afraid, be very afraid!!
Actually, Lichtenstein has done worse. They repelled 'Americanism' to switch back to a monarchy.
Them or others...
I don't believe North Korea is doing anything other than scratching for turnips in the depleted soil.
Watch for the bullshit to get more and more creative.
Iran is a threat because they may have nukes? Or they may get them, someday?
How about Pakistan? They've got nukes. Should we invade? Oh, right.
How about N Korea? They have nukes. Should we invade? How about Israel? They have nukes. How about India? They have nukes. How about the splinter cells known as the former Soviet Union? They have nukes. Should we invade?
Invade! Invade! Invade!
They hate us for our freedom! INVADE!
INVADE!!!!
INVADE!!!!
INVADE!!!!
INVADE!!!!
INVADE!!!!
They hate us for our freedom! INVADE!
OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL
INVADE INVADE INVADE INVADE
THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM
Accounts Receivable Tax
Accumulated Earnings Tax
Ad Valorem Tax (includes duties on imported items)
Alternative Minimum Tax
Aviation Fuel Tax
Capital Gains Tax
Cement and Gypsum Producers License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Coal Severance Tax
Coal Gross Proceeds Tax
Consumer Counsel Tax
Consumption Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Corporation License Tax
Court Fines (revenue from many activities)
Customs Duty
Dog License Tax
Double Tax
Electrical Energy Producers Tax
Estate Tax, Inheritance Estate Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax
Fishing License Tax
Food Service License Tax
Fuel Permit License Tax
Gas Guzzler Tax
Gasoline Tax (8 to 35 cents per gallon)
Generation-skipping Transfer Tax
Gift Tax
Gross Production Tax
Hospital Facility Utilization Fee Tax
Hunting License Fee Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges
IRS Penalties Tax
Kiddie Tax
Land Value Tax
Liquor License Tax
Liquor Tax
Local Tax
Lodging Facility Use Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Metal Mines Gross Proceeds Tax
Metal Mines License Tax
Miscellaneous Mines Net Proceeds Tax
Nursing Facility Bed Tax
Oil and Natural Gas Production Tax
Parking Meter Tax
Payroll Tax
Professional PrivilegeTax
Property Tax
Proxy Tax
Public Contractor's Gross Receipts Tax
Public Service Commission Tax
Public Utility Tax
Real Estate Tax
Real Estate Transfer Tax
Rental Vehicle Sales Tax
Resort Tax
Resource Indemnity and Groundwater Assessment Tax
Retail Telecommunications Excise Tax
Sales Tax
School Tax
Self-Employment Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Severance Tax
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax
Statewide Emergency Telephone 911 System Fee Tax
Surtax Tax - Extra tax
Tariffs - A tax on imports. Needed to protect all the industries we used to have.
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Since May of 1997, "This helps provide affordable phone service and gives schools, libraries, and rural healthcare providers access to the Internet."
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
TDD Telecommunications Service Fee Tax
Tobacco Products Tax (Other than Cigarettes)
Toll Road Fee Tax
Toll Bridge Fee Tax
Toll Tunnel Fee Tax
Tonnage Tax
Traffic Fines
Trailer Registration Fee Tax
Use Tax
Utility Tax
Vehicle Registration and License Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Wholesale Energy Transaction Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM
INVADE
you forgot the zoo tax.
And the Sanity Clause....
Tyler,
Is everything concerning Iran a conspiracy? Where does the rabbit hole end?
When does Colin Powell come out to do a presentation shiny blow ups of nuclear warheads being loaded on ships... and next comes a defector who says that Iran has a plan to nuke New York... Never mind that Iranian leadership just issued a fatwa declaring nuclear weapons a sin... i would be surprised if even the sheeple buy this utter stinking pile of bullshit.
Well, when you get right down to it, yes, everything (and not just with Iran) IS a conspiracy. If I remember the book, the rabbit hole ends in Wonderland, where everything is backwards and topsy turvy, inverterd, upside down, backwards and inside out.
Reality? You go figure.
Seems to me the constant war drum beating is coming from Israel and the US neocons such as Billary. The Bamster is looking for another Nobel peace prize ala "NATO bombs for peace". We are sick of this shit. Bring the troops home, for crying out loud. Our soldiers are growing Opium to help the Afghans...wake up.
The real question I think is, "Why hasn't the war happenned yet?" Something is holding it back. Netanyahu's frustration is palpable. I suspect, had the way for him been made clear, we'd be six months into the war by now, minimum. What's stopping him? There are the "facts", but we know them only in retrospect. What's really stopping him?
The four Angels. They live in the River Euphrates, and hold back the winds of strife. They will only let the winds go upon command, and that command shall only be given when a certain contingent of persons has been fully formed. These are persons who cannot be turned, who have a certain loyalty to the Highest Creative Power that is unshakeable, and who now stand in waiting, ready for a mission-specific task that can only be engaged under a unique set of circumstances. ThE RECRUITING PROCESS FOR THE FULL CONTINGENT IS STILL ONGOING. Unfortunately, I suspect there are only a few yet to be found to make up the full number... could that number be... 144,000?
Could well be true.
Nobody new about the tactical nukes aready deployed in Cuba pre Bay of Pigs.
The real history of that of course has been changed from America backing down
on nuke deployment in Turkey,to USSr backing down from their counter deployment
response via Cuba.The Great game continues,just different actors !
But so what.If Iran already has nukes,if they are an existential threat to Israel how
come that they have not used them ?
Self defeating argument.
I love parades!
Re N. Korea testing Iranian nuk-u-lar weapons.
Wow! A Hall-of-Infamy twofer if there ever was one! Who woulda thunk?
And I'll bet ya Federal Reserve Notes to Freedom Fries those nukulars were shipped to N. Korea aboard Syrian warships disguised as giant rubber ducks!
Helllooo.... can you say: Hall-of-Infamy Trifecta?
“I want the Iranians to know, if I am the president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that, because it does mean that they have to look very carefully at their society, because at whatever stage of development they might be with their nuclear weapons program in the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”....Hillary Clinton 2008
"Obliterate".....That is genocide isn't it when a civilian population is micro waved?
Tell me this isn't a setup?
That is quite a quote.
I understand the issue now.
The Iranian guy is a free rider. He did not buy the entry card to the clubs of nations which can speak with no issue at all about obliterating another nation.
Lets send that guy his membership card, with the fees attached.
Problem solved.
Ah, that reminds me of a TV news report I saw of Bill Clinton soon after his second inauguration, where he visited the demilitarised zone and stood in a long coat under a dark grey sky and shouted theatrically across at the DPRK into fog, that if the Norks ever attacked the South, with nukes, he solemnly swore that the UNiTED sTAtEs OF aMERIKA would totally smash North Korea with a full-scale nuclear attack (I'm paraphrasing of course, but that was the gist of it, and it was delivered in a propaganda style that the Norks would immediately recognise). I've tried a few times to find this video, because it was so revealing, but it's somehow just disappeared. I've never seen it again. Someone in South Korea must still have it.
So this means both Bill and Hillary have threatened whole countries with nuclear incineration.
Anyway, ten years after this the DPRK started testing nukes.
What a coincidence!!!!!
What will be the top km/h speed recorded by radar, once the Central Banker's are determined to be the culprits behind waging this new market bubble? I think they'll break new world records in finding there way to the special shelter. LOL.
"The % of liberal idiots on some of the most "sophisticated" blogs tends to have a direct correlation with the % of liberal idiots in the general population !".....Monedas 2012 We haven't come so far, Baby !
The USA is rapidly turning to police state while we are supposed to be afraid of al CIAeda. Now Mrs. Bill Clinton says we are partners with al ciaeda against Syria! WTF?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/hillary-clinton-admits-us-and-al-qaeda-on-sa...
Anyone think Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and we're done...hell no. It's on Syria, Pakistan and beyond. Iran is just another target in the NWO hopper.
INFOWARS
I thought the Langley data base was spelled Al CIA-qaeda...
For a good time call Tim Osman at 1-800-FalseFlag...
Hillary is doing everything possible to radicalise the region and fill their heads with pure hatred, and a burning desire for warfare. And if Syria did get overthrown, which thankfully it won't, Hillary would be the first to turn-away and completely ignore the grand slaughters, torturing and the horrific ravages of a new outbreak of democracy. And you can bet she would be cracking jokes about it at allied meetings and at press conferences with the chosen few.
see link :http://www.zengardner.com/alternative-knowledge/purim-why-war-on-persia-...
Both of the Iraq wars and the Libyan invasion were started at an extremely opportune time. Not in terms you may perceive, but according to a very small minority of an extremely aggressive, satanic, occult driven people, or groups of peoples, who’ve since actually popularized this annual ritual.
It’s call Purim. A celebration of revenge by the alleged Jewish nation against the Persians from way back in so-called Biblical times. All a metaphor but based in semi-reality.
"More accurate to say that any Iranian nuclear device will in fact be a Norkom devise !".....Monedas 2012 High tech is a white man/Oriental thing ! Iran didn't have to ship uranium to the Norkoms.....they have plenty that Jimmy Carter and Madeline Allbright gave them....you know, when they "tricked us" !....M. Allbright
BO and Hillary's stinking deal of sending food aid to the Norkoms will allow them to redirect scarce resources from agriculture to nuclear munitions ! Monedas 2012 "Just-in-time" resource management !
After the 1910 socialist revolution in Mexico....the traditional, male name of "Prospero" (the prosperous one) fell into dis-favor ! Monedas 2012 Comedy Jihad World Tour
"They shoot horses, don't they?".
The North Korean and Iranian Regimes SHOULD be headed to the glue factory.
And then we can let the chips fall where they may here. And, who knows?, what is left of the Republic may shortly join them, if we lack a critical mass of people who would stand for LIBERTY.
See? Everybody gets what they deserve, and these days on planet Earth, there ain't many deserving of anything.
"Western intelligence sources" are leaking that N. Korea and Iran have collaborated on a nuke? What fucking horseshit.
It's unbelievable that the press ever publish any sort of rumor or "leak" from western intelligence without the caveat that presumptively the information is a propaganda hoax to support a war of aggression against Iran in order to seize their oil and gold.
Obummer just gave Israel the green light.
Unfortunatly they cannot do it without Nukes !
The Wall Street Puppet, Useful Idiot Barry Soetoro makes no decisions and gives no green lights...
Bitch simply reads what ever is on the 'prompter...
However, the financial elites who own the US government and rule Amerika may have very well given the proto fascist Net'n-yahooooooo the green light...
If the Norkoms sneak a nuclear device into Seoul and detonate it.....killing a million people (including the perps).....will it be reported as a "suicide bomb" ? Monedas 2012 I remember the old days.....when suicide meant taking your own fucking, worthless life !
what if they made a little error in the headline? what if it should have read, Isreal Has Allegedly Tested Nuclear Warheads for North Korea.
Libertarian Suicide.....taking your own life ! Socialist Suicide (Terrorcide, Terricide ?).....sharing your pain ! Monedas 2012 Comedy Jihad World Tour
And now Obama is sucking AIPAC's cock and basically saying that the US military is at Israel's command. I wish a bunch of patriots in the military would get a bunch of B-52s and go wipe out AIPAC headquarters right now.