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North Korean Rocket Trajectory Revealed
Yesterday afternoon, Barack Obama who is currently in South Korea, briefly was within bullet range (if behind bulletproof glass) of North Korea when he stood on the edge of the DMZ separating the two feuding countries. A few minutes later he left and told the world that "Bad behaviour will not be rewarded" referring to the imminent launch of North Korea's Unha-3 rocket scheduled for a test launch in April. He added that "I will also note that every time North Korea has violated an international resolution, the Security Council resolution, it has resulted in further isolation, tightening of sanctions, stronger enforcement. I suspect that will happen this time as well." Alas, we doubt that Obama's warnings will have much of an impact and that in a few weeks NK will go ahead and hit the launch button undeterred, in the process forcing Japan to scramble its Aegis destroyers and take other countermeasures as discussed last week, in case the missile "veers of course." But just what is the trajectory? Courtesy of North Korea Tech, we now know the secret path the North Korean rocket is expected to take. All we can say is there better not be strong Westerly winds.
More from North Korea tech:
North Korea’s Unha-3 rocket, scheduled for launch next month, will drop to earth in two stages off the western coast of South Korea and to the east of Luzon Island in the Philippines, according to documents submitted by the country to the International Maritime Organization.
The documents, obtained by NorthKoreaTech.org, were sent to the IMO’s London headquarters from the DPRK’s embassy in the U.K. They carried the name of “Ko Nung Do,” who is identified as director general of the DPRK’s Maritime Administration.
Some of the information restates what has already been disclosed by the country: that the launch would take place from a satellite launch site in Cholsan County of North Pyongan Province during a five day period from April 12th to 16th.
They also include some new information: that the launch could take place anytime between 7am and noon local time (2200 to 0300 GMT); and include the coordinates of the projected drop zones for the two-stage rocket.
The rocket’s path takes it over the western tip of South Hwanghae province in North Korea then over the South Korean islands of Baegryeong-do, Daecheong-do and Socheong-do, and then across open water until it passes between Japan’s Miyako and Ishigaki islands before heading further south.
The details were provided to the IMO so that the international organization can warn shipping traffic to stay clear from the two areas.
A similar notice is expected to be provided by the International Civil Aviation Organization to aircraft.
North Korea’s last rocket launch in 2009 was from the Tonghae Satellite Launching Ground in the east of the country and had the rocket flying over Japan en route towards the Pacific Ocean.
Many countries have urged North Korea to halt the rocket launch, which is widely seen as a long-range ballistic missile test and not a satellite launch. Japan’s defense minister has publicly said he may order the deployment of Patriot missiles to the Okinawan islands so that the rocket can be shot down should it fail and pose a danger to Japan.
Below you can see copies of the letter and an embedded map illustrating the two zones.
Full rocket trajectory below. Citizens of Philippines be afraid. Be very afraid (source).
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Another straw man.
Maybe the Phillipinos should say they feel existentially threatened hire a few lobbyists and casino owners to buy a bunch of senators and a president and thereaten bombing or an invasion and then I bet we would do something stupid?
like buying a couple of Ageis and then take posturing lessons from Tokyo?
Look at the bathymetry guys .... it'll go down in some of the deepest water on earth ... They don't want anyone to be able to recover it. That is why they want it there.
A junk for pointing that out? Apparently someone doesn't think the target area is in deep water?
Besides avoiding a direct fly-over of Nork neighbours (in as much as is possible), the northern part of the target zone covers part of a particularly rough and deep bathometry, consisting of hundreds of volcanic sea mounts, and numerous deep fracture zones (mountains, cliffs, chasms), that extend right down through the sediment pile, and into the base of the oceanic crust as giant regional-scale cracks.
If the Norks have an inertial guidance system (at a minimum I would say) worth any spit they can easily drop the spent missile within any 500 meter circle (most probably much smaller).
This high res TOPEX image of the bathometry of the area shows deep crustal fractures, that are tens of kilometers wide, and one to two kilometres deeper than the surrounding very deep ocean. Have a look;
http://topex.ucsd.edu/marine_topo/jpg_images/topo6.jpg
The Norks can and will drop this missile into deep water, where it will be exceptionally difficult to locate or recover. They certainly will not drop it, intact, into relatively shallow water, when it could be found, recovered and examined. And no doubt it will be fitted with a terminal flight self-destruct to disintegrate and scatter it, before it enters the water.
The US will struggle to find any part of it in that area.
And the US, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, China and Russia will all very much want to have a close look at it.
The US and Japan will definitely try to find and recover it, and the Norks are not going to make that easy.
Did you get that map from AAA?
So the NKs shot a pop bottle rocket off into the water....congratulations....I did the same thing when I was five.
I suppose we'll have to give them 5 billion so they promise not to do it again.....have Hillary sign the waiver....and let's cut them the check.
It's not a map. It's a false-colour satelite IMAGE derived from 30-second-arc wide satellite transects that recorded geopysical data that was processed minus the effect of the ocean water, that was then transposed as an implied 3D topographical relief depiction of the entire globe.
It is thus more-or less real and has been 'ground-truthed' in various complex locations with a significantly higher resolution towed imaging/mapping sonar, that found a very close correspondence between what was directly measured by its sonar acoustic transect, and what the satelite data had indirectly implied should be there, and what it should look like, in terms of topographic relief, depth, and also measured gravity anomolies.
It's real and it's accurate to a very high-level of detail.
pussy drive-by junkstaz are so annoying. good comments. - Ned
So now we know what James Cameron is doing at the bottom of the Mariana trench!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17503395
Wouldnt it be funny if the norks use our own GPS to guide their missiles on the cheap?
Wouldnt it be funnier still if, upon satellite launch detection, someone "fiddled a bit" with that algorithm and the nork missile landed 500m from mainland china someplace?
I wonder what their guidance system is?
Bonus humor: a neato, highly-classified beam of energy focused-on and roasting some delicate electronics inside the missile during flight.
Nahhhh. Doesn't exist. If only....
dang repeat key...
Looks slightly retrograde to me; though it would have been technically easier to achieve such an orbit heading north, that route is politically closed. Interesting to see if they pull it off.
I read the target of all N. Korean rockets are, in fact, Tehran. So I don't see a problem. And even if the hit Hawaii, well, this will lower my cost of tourism should I max out my credit cards and go there. Pimpin' ain't EZ.
Your "credit" as in "creditable", is already about as "high", as german westerwelle warning about iraq rockets hitting germany.
Which is about..... zero. Time to take a loan? Is there such a thing for propaganda (i'm sure there must be, i just cannot come up with it right now).
That would be interesting, to fire a nuke from Pyongyang to Tehran, but instead of having it explode, have it parachute gently to earth. Take that, sanctions!
Or maybe they can remotely gain control of it and guide it safely to the ground like they did our spy drone.
Go long straw....got it.
"Bad behavior will not be rewarded"......................
This guy walks softly and carries no stick. Are the NKs quaking in their boots or laughing their asses off? You make the call...............
"Bad behavior will not be rewarded"
I must have been out of the room when we changed that policy.......hell I didn't even get a memo on that.
Reminds me when O-fuckup said he was going to teach the banks a lesson.
Then the world learned he was just another toothless lapdog sucking off Larry Summers and Tim Goyim.
I'm sure it's well under control. What could possibly go wrong?
Aimed right at our base in the Phillipines. What's the matter, did they forget what happened to the French Embassy, in Baghdad, after France refused to allow us to fly over their country when invading Iraq?
If theirs is just a "test", then us BLOWING IT OUT OF THE SKY can be "just a test" also.
There is no American base in the Philippines...only "troop presence."
Couldn't hit it if there was one......if you're gonna launch a missle at the Philippines at least follow through with the crash landing......just saying.
Funny how Saddam and Kadaffy could roll through cities sticking out the sunroof of an SUV, or in a convertible, with thousands of AK armed people shooting in the sky, yet any "top government official" of the US has to either be in a fucking tank on wheels, in an above-ground bunker, walking through a bullet-proof tunnel of Lexan, or at a military base where all the troopies have been disarmed.
WTF do they have to fear that "evil dictators" didn't have to?
Thats easy..
"Friendly Fire"
The cause of so many innocent victims.
In this case, innocent victims on the side of the "aggressors" or "defenders"?
They hate us for our freedom.
They hate us for constantly meddling in their affairs!
Two things are not mutually exclusive: they hate us for our freedom to constantly meddle in their affairs.
Hey Feral,
Ha ha ha----You' re quite a funny guy---freedom to vote, to pay taxes, and to kill for your country
Ha ha ha---how could anyone hate us?
Thanks for the humor om
Here. Have some Freedom Fries....
And here you have it. Not funny at all. Despite Saddam et al being of a minority tribe in their countries, any assassin knew that if he failed, or even if he succeeded, he as well as his entire bloodline would be ruthlessly tortured unto death.
See, such knowledge cuts down on insurection.
Many cases of the Brits in Afghanistan, they killed all but one of the rebellious, and buried them in pigskins, leaving one to tell the tale. Hitler's SS would use entire towns as artillery targets if a German garrison troop was killed....here is the thing folkz...you fight a war to win. Period. And you DONT FIGHT A FUCKING WAR UNLESS IT IS A MATTER OF YOUR OWN SURVIVAL. But hey - have fun you military dudes. You won't win...
...you haven't won since NINETEEN FUCKING FORTY FIVE...but hey...why ask why, right? You get some trigger time in and convert some brown skins or yellow skins to smoking meat, while your taxes pay to import somalis to live in the midwest...hey, what?
No, really, enjoy your funtime wars...little lesson here - don't get so far in debt you feel you have to enlist just for a paycheck, and don't believe you need to fly around the world to murder those who allegedly be hatin' on our freedoms...look around you and read the papers...plenty right here who be hatin on your freedoms.
"You would not make peace with the blue coats. You may go in peace. There is iron in your words. "
I reckon not
That's an excellent point.
To be fair, those public appearences by dictators are usually dopplegangers employed to make public appearences, take assassination attempts, etc. POTUS only uses dopplegangers for roastings.
The Pope is a "top [shadow] government official". He's certainly further up the chain than Obomber.
They're afraid they'd lose the popularity contest.
You are nothing but a petty bourgeois puppet.
With a needle dick....
They should put their money into raising Jindos instead.
If the Norkos want to "test fire" a missle.....why can't we "test fire" an intercepting missle ? It's just a test, after all ? Monedas 2012
Because, aside from simulations, they have only shot down homing beacon-carrying target drones.
Because the scud missles don't actually work, and the whole "Star Wars" missle shield was money redirected into observation platforms instead...
So the best the US can do to stop missles is use veiled language and rush for shelter (i.e., what their commander in chief did...).
/shrug
I hope everyone that voted for the Barry "Peace Prize Usurper" Soetoro chokes to death on their spit in their sleep.
How's that $4/gal gas working out for you waterheads? Are you proud of your race-baiting commie-in-chief? Can't wait to get to the polls to vote, once again, for your energy costs to necessarily skyrocket?
**For the short bus riders: Fuck the GOP too**
Well then, which muppet are you voting for in the fall, Mittbama or O'Romney?
Ron Paul
That's like voting for Obamao
Junk all you want bitchez. It's politcial reality.
Curiosity gets the better of me, so I will ask.
Are you referring to the fact that the GOP would rather lose to Obama than see Paul elected, or are you commenting on electoral fraud?
Please enlighten us.
A vote for Obamao siphons votes from the GOP, assuming that most conservative/libertarian leaning voters would vote for Paul. Siphon votes from the GOP and its hello for Obama's 2nd term.
I'm not saying its a pleasant option, just the cold reality.
May I also ask your view of Libertarians like myself who will vote for Obama from sheer spite if the good Doctor's name is not allowed to appear on a ballot?
My path is chosen.
Feel free. While there are others thinking along the same lines, I think the fence-sitters will more likely go from GOP to Paul or Paul to GOP rather than to Obama.
Thank you.
In my haste I forgot to say "on a ballot as a third party candidate".
Carry on.
I figured that's what you meant.
Not true. Poll after poll shows that a sizable % of Ron Paul's supporters used to bat for the Blue Team before waking up to reality. There are A LOT of voters who might otherwise vote Democrat or lean left but who are fed up with Obama and the batshit insane congressional Democrats. A whole lot of "Reagan Democrats" (blue collar whites) are in this boat.
Is true. You are the same person, or at least you using the same exact arguments that Nadir supporters used in 2000. Nadir took exactly ZERO votes from BushCo and while I detested Gore as much as anybody the election fraud and SCOTUS appointment of BushCo was the end of the USA and only made possible by the votes Nadir took from Gore. Even then it was so close, less than 700 votes in Florida which is what it came down to, had those radical Nadir junkie hipster asshole student peacenik ecogroovie buttholes that vandalized our political system voted for the REALISTIC better choice, he would have had an unquestioned victory. The Nadir camp allowed BushCo to get away with the trashing of this nation. It was bad before, but BushCo put in place all the levers that will prevent us ever getting the USA back.
Ditto Paul, he is the right wing Nadir, he will not be the GOP nominee and he will not ever be president, what he will do is sap just enough of the republican money and time and votes to make totally certain Barry gets a second term. I just hope that it is as close or closer than 2000 and SCOTUS again has to appoint him winner, it is only fair that the right gets to feel what the rest of the nation felt then when we saw the man with by far the most votes still lose.
That's also how the shadow goobermint manoeuvered Woodrow Wilson into the signing seat in 1913 -- by running Teddy Roosevelt as a splinter party (the 'Bull Moose' party) from the GOP, to draw votes from the GOP's candidate, William Howard Taft (who was also a rank insider from the shadow goobermint, but it would have been too one-sided if he had signed the Income Tax and GOP-sponsored Federal Reserve Act into law).
It's not just a recent tactic.
LOL still mad that Bush won all the FL recounts?
People seem to forget what impact Ross Perot had on Bush 1 vs Clinton. I'm a Ron Paul supporter but I understand the point you're trying to get across.
In my mind, it becomes:
Do I want to take the GOP puppet, just to TRY to beat obama?
OR
Take this opportunity to tell the GOP, "NO MORE PUPPETS"?
I say VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
Don't leave even one incumbent.
(I voted for Perot!)
(I voted for Perot!)
Actually you voted for Clinton.......good news.....you won!
It's a little bit more serious this time.......so make sure you get you definition of winning really down this time.
As stated:
Winning, means the GOP supports US, not us supporting the GOP.
Mitt will be as useless to most of us as obama.
The ONLY way we all (really) win, is if we VOTE THEM ALL OUT......
If you vote for Mitt because the GOP tells you to, then you're just another naive tool, and are the BIGGEST part of the problem.
@Moneyswirth.
First off, your argument is tired, worn out, and cliched. In fact, it is not your thoughts. It was given to you, programmed into you, by the leviathon of the omnipotent media.
I can pull any lemming out of the matrix for 30 seconds and 2/3's of them will give me the same answer that you did. You should have thought of that as that would have been your first red flag.
I'll bet your heartrate accelerated when you heard the name Paul. You got a nervous wave pour over you, and you were literally ready to jump out of your skin when exposed to the stimulus (the topic of Ron Paul). All stimuli provoke a response.
So the subject reflexively responded in a classically conditioned manner. Pavlov is laughing.
First you imply a false dichotomy: Either tweedle-dee, or tweedle dum. Then you imply that tweedle dee is "less bad" than tweedle dum, insinuating that there is a correct choice between the two. Worse, you admonish any choice outside of the selected two. Hence the false dichotomy.
You have two choices: You can vote for Romney and accept the "less bad" candidate, or vote for for Paul and in essence give your vote for Obama.
This is why mail-order college degrees are a scam Moneyswirth. This implication is utterly illogical.
May I refute this?...Yes? Why thank you.
Option 3: A vote for Paul is a vote against the hand-selected establishment candidates and a vote of no confidence against the status quo. Furthermore, by not voting Tweedle dee nor tweedle dum, your vote for Paul incrementally delegitimizes the establishment liberal/conservative nonsense. Anytime you cast a vote for the dichotomy you either willingly, or unwillingly add credence, credibility to the presidential selection process. Media pundits, government shills, and corporate and party spinmeisters will then point to the large turnouts, and large vote counts of the dichotomy candidates and then proceed to insert code into the matrix that makes the lemmings think that the dichotomy is valid.
If Paul were to drop out then you'd be here in November, pointing to the elections, and the vote counts, and the lack of 3rd party participation as "proof" that your pet dictator-candidate "won the election fair and square", and "that America has decided".
But I'd probably stop you in your tracks and finish your sentence because I'd have heard the same shit from 4 or 5 different Matrix members before even stepping into the office.
Did you ever think of the possibility that voting for Paul is a vote against the dichotomy? Had it ever occurred to you that an oustide-the-illusionary-two-party-system candidate will only be able to evoke change if 3rd party candidates continually, and increasingly disrupt the dichotomy, they progressively increase their share of the vote over time, and they establish a beach head within the whole shitty system to which someday one of them might throw the whole election process into disarray, or *gasp* even win?
No, CNN/FOX/Alphabet News Channels told you otherwise, they banged that shit into your brain, so of course you never thought of that. For thinking involves implementing your cortex, and unfortunately, the way the "news" is programmed, the message never made it out of your amygdala.
I'm sick of this shit. I'm sick of hearing the same, - goddamn easy as hell to refute - crap parroted by the masses over and over and over again.
You're obviously not a stupid man. Ask yourself why you tossed out one of the oldest, most worn out cliched arguments in the history of the political process. Really, this shit gets old. Ask yourself, how the fuck did I completely miss option 3?
Exactly, and very well put.
A vote for Ron Paul is not like a vote for Obama. It is a vote for Ron Paul.
A vote for Ron Paul is like voting no to the War Party.
So you fukked the War Party to make way for the Marxists.
I stand in the presence of brilliance.....and of course the War Party has killed thousands while the Marxists have killed millions.....so it's almost like a double win.
Ain't I just Captain freakin cheery this morning. When you feel that hard cold smack up against the side of the head.....don't worry.....that's just Mr. Reality paying you a visit.
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How is the War Party fucked? One of their candidates will be president, either Obama, Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich.
Mr Gullible must have paid you a visit if you think there is any real difference between the republican and democratic wings of the War Party. We have a one-party system.
Arrogant, insulting, egotistical......but I agree COMPLETELY with your assessment of "Option 3".
THIS is a good time to draw our line in the sand. We don't want StoogeDem OR StoogeGOP.
I don't want my life being dictated by BIG govt. OR BIG business. I want something in between.
MOST of us want something in between. When are we going to tell someone?
(Hint: November)
Arrogant, insulting, egotistical....
Absolutely. But it seems nothing is effective at getting the willing members of the matrix to open their eyes, and display the necessary courage to see things for what they are, and not what they wish them to be.
I treat blue pill junkies like shit on purpose. They suppress their courage, abdicate their obligations as citizens, and hence cause irrevokable harm to themselves, their loved ones, their community, and their nation. To me they are the ultimate underclass, worthy of being spit on.
In times past we might call this treasonous, and hang them. That's not gonna happen. So treating them like shit, and holding them in contempt is the best that we can do right now.
Sanity is conformity to social norms. Sanity is sometimes truth, sometimes. Not.
Hey Clay,
Curiosity gets the best of me, too. Why is Paul running as a Republican after these last two months of that party pissing on his shoes every time his name is mentioned? I don't think that he is very bright because he just can't seem to learn a thing about republicans----no insult intended to your man!
I would have voted for Paul----my first vote since 1980----if he was serious enough about the presidency to have abandoned the criminal two party system and have run as an independent.
it is too late for that now so----I get the day off again to do-nothing om
If Ron Paul will not run as an independent then he is an old shill betraying his supporters and his country!
It ain't over just yet...I too feel like the vulture what said: "Patience my @ss, I want to kill something!"
oldman,
My best guess is that Dr. Paul is riding this farce to its conclusion as he has always said he would because of personal integrity. There has been some scuttlebutt about training his supporters to remain at the local precintcs until the votes are counted to be selected as delegates. After seeing how that process has been disrupted by local officials in Mo., and other places, I begin to doubt how effective that strategy will be.
Personally, I am hoping he runs 3P. I have had no satisfaction from the R's or D's even at the State or local level for a very long time and am ready for a game change.
@clay
Thanks, Clay
I hope you get what we both want om
oldman wondered:
I believe Ron Paul addressed this in his 2008 campaign. Basically, it has to do with ballot access laws put in place by the democratic and republican wings of the War Party. These two wings of the Party have intentionally made it difficult for a second party to put a candidate on a national ballot. It would require jumping through multiple hoops on a state level, multiplied by fifty.
I also suspect that he wants his candidacy to illustrate what the republican and democratic "parties" have become: cookies made from the same dough, cut from the same cutter, baked in the same oven, and different only in superficialities, such as the color of sugar sprinkled on them after cooling.
Nice analogy! It could also be used to explain why, notwithstanding the sugar coating, they both taste like shit....
Not it isn't - it at worst is a vote for someone being ignored, thus the vote being VOID. Thus, practically the same as not voting at all, just with the ponzi being the one that voided the vote, rather than the individual himself.
GFY, bankster bitch, and go back to sucking your employers dick for cash.
Wow you actually vote?
Sucker...
No, i NEVER EVER did vote in my entire life, BANKSTER BITCH TROLL. My above post is purely based on imaginating what others do and the implications, rather than my own first-hand experiences.
LOL. Everyone's a gangsta commenting on blogs...
And you're a fucking bankster paid troll, who argues that no matter if one did not vote, or voted for someone NOT getting elected, it makes one having voted for someone getting elected.
Yeah, it makes zero logical sense, but i guess if you get paid for posting this bullshit, that makes it true, you mentally corrupt whore, William The Bastard recycled #98438490380423.
Trying to put together a sentence are we? Type harder next time.
william the bastard's pseudo-"point" terminated right here... at being a one-liner language-nazi... while failing to do so, as in everything he does.
GO CREATE ANOTHER ACCOUNT ALREADY, NEVER-EVER-EVOLVING ZH-TROLL ALREADY.
Because that is the only thing you are really good at. You suck at everything, except of creating new accounts. What fucking idiot employs you anyways? Even rotottrader was more talented (and amusing), even though he repeated the same pattern. You are like the bottom rank of all ZH trolls, only keeping himself alive, by creating the most accounts of all paid ZH trolls.
Basically, the only reason why you by now after all the many years do not get as many junks as HW, is that you constantly create new names, to obscure your constant suckage.... that, and you are way not as funny as hamy wanger.
I don't see a third party vote as being "void." I see it as a testament to future generations: not everyone in 2012 was blind, crazy or self-destructively greedy. Some of us had some sense. To me that is more valuable than anything that could be accomplished by voting strategically for one "serious" (i.e. party-approved, Wall Street-approved, MSM-approved) candidate or another.
EXACTLY
The only "wasted" vote is the one you place for someone you don't really want to win.
In terms of ideology... and perhaps longterm considarations....
...i totally agree. I do not consider voting for someone whom one actually advocates a waste..... even if it is ahead of time probable, that he will not be allowed to win.
Because in the long run (and on a historic pov) one still voted on what one actually advocates. Even if it gets rejected one way or another, it does not make one's own support of a policy irrelevant in the historical context.
What i was talking about, was merely short-term consequences. And part of this is: even if the majority of a population votes for something, but gets ignored... the immediate outcome is voiding all those decisions, and doing something else instead.
That, and it may be a heavily tarnished sarcasm of me, hinting at the wishes of the population, not really being what policies are decided on.... you know "demographically".
Or in short: Voting results == bullshit!
Whom does Diebold support in this coming election? :>(
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I think you meant to ask, "whom did Diebold support in this coming election?"
America deserves Obama. If we won't elect Ron Paul or someone like him then I say vote for the GREAT of 2 evils to hasten our collapse.
You equate Ron Paul and Obama? Seriously? I don't say idiot often, but when appropriate, IDIOT - You FUCKING IDIOT! If you can't pay the slightest attention to what's going on, I suggest you STFU.
When did I equate the two? Please explain when you're done with your Mensa tutorial.
azzhatter: Ron Paul, Reply Moneyswirh: That's like voting for Obamao
Once again, IDIOT!
Maybe I meant splitting up the Republican vote, which is effectively a vote for Obamao.
I guess your head is starting to hurt. Play again soon.
I'll play right now, thank you. You're even a bigger IDIOT for being status quo. You won't vote for the right man because some other idiot convinced you he can't win. Way to represent, you fucking clown.
Are you wearing a helmet?
Is that a childish attempt at an insult?
And if you actually vote in these elections, you're the ZH Town Idiot.
Now you're on to something. Maybe you're alright after all ;)
[edit] forgot the /sarc tag
Why is it that a certain troll cannot actually come up with any rethorically smart arguments?
Or are those who reply multipletimes all the same guy? Oh, i wonder what well known old guy may have shown that unimaginative and non-evolving behavior, WTB.
To be judgmental, I don't think a lot of people even know they are trolls. This guy is a good example. They know what little they know, and they spout forth from their keyboard these ridiculous memes that most of us have managed to see past. I don't blame them for being idiots. I pity them more than anything actually.
Disagree: The pattern of a certain multi-account poster responding to any intelligent inquiry, with uncreative lame one-liners, and always in the same style.... does not look like "another" sheep, after you have seen it systematically enough for more than one year on ZH. This is all one and the same guy... and he has the same "defense" pattern as what the many accounts of williamthebastard were known for.
So nope, nothing "idependently stupid" to see here.... it's just "that guy" with his one billionth account again.
duly noted
So, Realpolitik trumps having some Principles? Thanks fer yer insight there, brah...
The problem you are encountering stems from your focus on people(read: MSM propaganda promoted personalities) as opposed to policies.
Gingrich = Obama
Romeny = Obama
Santorum = Obama
Paul = Wildcard bitches!
Wow... they sure did a number on you.
@sitnine
I don't have a horse in the race because Dr. Paul is still running as a Republican when his party OBVIOUSLY wants nothing to do with him.
I don't think he wants the presidency at all; he appears to be quite pleased with continuing as an anachronism. he also seems too intelligent for this'
What's up with Dr. Paul? om
Even "committed" delegates can change their votes at the national convention...it's gonna be a messy convention in Tampa!
@sitenine
Dear sitenine,
I find myself a bit disturbed by your violence with words. No suggestions about a behavioral change---not my business, but maybe, you don't realize how it weakens your otherwise sage arguments.
I do understand the anger---and I lose it, also om
Ron Paul's win would only be effective if both congress and senate would be kicked out and replaced, no?
With the presidency also comes the power of appointing the next fed chief. He could do a lot to weaken the fed when the Bernank's term is up in 2014.
This is true, but it might be a moot point by that time. Who knows what the central banking system will look like in a few short years.
Shit the way things are going I'm wondering if we are going to have a nation in 2014.
I'm sure there will be a nation. Of some sort, anyway...
...or nations of some sort.
Doesn't the Federal Reserve's charter expire in 2013?
Several of the Supremes are nearing retirement as well.
It would be nice to have some libertarian people on the bench.
A certain gentleman by the name of Napolitano comes to mind.
I am sure ZH'ers could reccomend others.
Constitutionally astute Supreme court justices....mmmmmm....a novel concept.
Men who could pitch, pass and shoot, instead of just juggle.
How about an Executive Order rotating the Fed boneheads every few daze? Since the Prezident is now allowed to terminate even US citizens with "kinetic action(s)," The Bernank better stay in-country. If Ron Paul does get into the White House, I predict the veto pen will be glowing white hot!
Gas is too expensive to drive to the polls so I'm staying home.
"Share your feelings...with the group"
Konrad ! Why can't more Negroes be like you ? Monedas 2012 Not a raciss bone in my body ! I hate PC, though !
Sun Tzu said don't piss in the wind but also, Ren & Stimpy said don't whiz on the electric fence. Rocky Balboa said winning is done by taking the hits and keep moving forward.....I'm drunk on a Sunday, what do I know?
stay drunk until all this vile nonesense is over pal.
It would really be nice to know who the hell is actually running NK these days before we jump to conclusions. My opinion is that it ain't some wet assed 26 year old. For all the hell we know, Kissinger is running the show.
That "wet-assed" 26 y-o would have been well trained. Here are some other "wet-assed" leaders:
"North Korean Rocket Trajectory Revealed"
This is just plain irresponsible reportage.
NOW the North Koreans will have a pretty good idea where the damn thing went.
It's the equivalent of catching the bridal bouquet---he who catches it is next in line to drop his/her panties and get ready for the incoming freedom-liberation party. #DropItLikesItHot
They laugh because they have obama by the sack.
"who is the poseur now bitch?"
One could at least argue that in North Korea, a majority of the herd understand that it is just an illusion...
In America?
Not so much.
Amerika is the land of illusion -- nothing to understand -- keep chewing and watching....
Speak for yourself.
BO Juice wants the Norkos to choose a positive path to prosperity ! Sounds good....very Presidential, right ? Dear BO Juice, pushing the US economy to the brink of collapse only whets their appetite ! Dear BO Juice, lead our country on a positive path to prosperity.....before you go preaching from your tele-prompter, fuzzy pulpit ! Monedas 2012 Comedy Jihad World Tour
Meanwhile:
Pimco’s Gross Says Fed May ‘Hint’ at QE3 at April Meeting
Is he who must not be named going to talk again?
Let me know when Gross decides to write an apology for his exorbitant support of the neo-feudal system, and laces his viper den with de(b)t cord for a final hurrah.
Our great patriotic rocket has intimidated the running dogs of imperialism!
"Bad behaviour will not be rewarded"
It seems to be rewarding for the too big to fail banks. And John Corzine. And ...
Bad behavior is rewarded if you are a crony. This is how the game works.
Test fire a rocket northwards and they land in Siberia, right?
Pretty obvious what is transpiring.. North Korea, Russia, China, Iran, Syria and others are saying bring it BITCHEZ... We are done with your global manipulation with fiat dollars and we are not buying into your Humanitarian Campaign anylonger... So when North Korea launches their Chinese built long range middle finger, just stay at the DMZ so you can get a close look at what the future will bring...
These fuckers better start behaving. Obamao is apt to write them a strongly worded letter.
And threaten them with debasing the dollar!
Or threaten them with the "comfy" chair.
NOBODY ESCAPES THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!
Obama will give them some more of that "Smart Diplomacy"!