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North Korean Rocket Trajectory Revealed

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Yesterday afternoon, Barack Obama who is currently in South Korea, briefly was within bullet range (if behind bulletproof glass) of North Korea when he stood on the edge of the DMZ separating the two feuding countries. A few minutes later he left and told the world that "Bad behaviour will not be rewarded" referring to the imminent launch of North Korea's Unha-3 rocket scheduled for a test launch in April. He added that "I will also note that every time North Korea has violated an international resolution, the Security Council resolution, it has resulted in further isolation, tightening of sanctions, stronger enforcement. I suspect that will happen this time as well." Alas, we doubt that Obama's warnings will have much of an impact and that in a few weeks NK will go ahead and hit the launch button undeterred, in the process forcing Japan to scramble its Aegis destroyers and take other countermeasures as discussed last week, in case the missile "veers of course." But just what is the trajectory? Courtesy of North Korea Tech, we now know the secret path the North Korean rocket is expected to take. All we can say is there better not be strong Westerly winds.

More from North Korea tech:

North Korea’s Unha-3 rocket, scheduled for launch next month, will drop to earth in two stages off the western coast of South Korea and to the east of Luzon Island in the Philippines, according to documents submitted by the country to the International Maritime Organization.

 

The documents, obtained by NorthKoreaTech.org, were sent to the IMO’s London headquarters from the DPRK’s embassy in the U.K. They carried the name of “Ko Nung Do,” who is identified as director general of the DPRK’s Maritime Administration.

 

Some of the information restates what has already been disclosed by the country: that the launch would take place from a satellite launch site in Cholsan County of North Pyongan Province during a five day period from April 12th to 16th.

 

They also include some new information: that the launch could take place anytime between 7am and noon local time (2200 to 0300 GMT); and include the coordinates of the projected drop zones for the two-stage rocket.

 

The rocket’s path takes it over the western tip of South Hwanghae province in North Korea then over the South Korean islands of Baegryeong-do, Daecheong-do and Socheong-do, and then across open water until it passes between Japan’s Miyako and Ishigaki islands before heading further south.

 

The details were provided to the IMO so that the international organization can warn shipping traffic to stay clear from the two areas.

 

A similar notice is expected to be provided by the International Civil Aviation Organization to aircraft.

North Korea’s last rocket launch in 2009 was from the Tonghae Satellite Launching Ground in the east of the country and had the rocket flying over Japan en route towards the Pacific Ocean.

 

Many countries have urged North Korea to halt the rocket launch, which is widely seen as a long-range ballistic missile test and not a satellite launch. Japan’s defense minister has publicly said he may order the deployment of Patriot missiles to the Okinawan islands so that the rocket can be shot down should it fail and pose a danger to Japan.

 

Below you can see copies of the letter and an embedded map illustrating the two zones.

Full rocket trajectory below. Citizens of Philippines be afraid. Be very afraid (source).

 

 

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Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:51 | 2289956 TradingTroll
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He will send Larry Sinclair to 'mediate'

Which is more than Amerika deserves at this point

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:09 | 2289744 azzhatter
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Even worse, he'll go to the UN

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:20 | 2290216 Marc_W
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North Korea has nukes therefore North Korea can do anything it wants and nobody will stop them.

 

Same reason Iran wants nukes.  Once you have nukes you are a geopolitically immovable object.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 09:07 | 2290525 Nukular Freedum
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North Korea has nukes therefore it is.

I drink therefore I am.

I think therefore Iran.

I believe the above is known as a syllogism.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:18 | 2289556 AN0NYM0US
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for what it is worth

this infographic

http://www.space.com/15006-north-korea-unha-3-rocket-launch-infographic....

 

but in the end this NK BS  is so much BS  I mean we are talking about a planned launch next month (mid April)  this is only in the news because fearless leader in in the hood

 

 

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:32 | 2289572 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Time to hire the "good" Al Qaeda again to overthrow a tyrannical dictator!  Oh wait!  No poppy seeds, no oil, no freedom.  Fuck em!

Oh, dear leader!  Dear leader!  (Genuflecting here)  If you read zero hedge please go fuck thyself.  But I express  that in a most subservient manner!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:34 | 2289600 Global Hunter
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Excuse my ignorance but that rocket goes into orbit and circles the earth, that's advanced technology that could give them an advantage no?  Or are they way behind and are they playing catchup?  I'm stunned to be honest I can be naive.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:54 | 2289961 TradingTroll
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Its alphabetical

Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Libya all come before North Korea

That's the way it is folks

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:25 | 2289574 onlooker
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Iran, N. Korea, Chavez, and Afgan resistance all vie for attention in the World press. We are appropriately impressed and all fearing of these sociopathic jerks, uh are we not? I mean we got a leader in our own country that is creating a major race related tension scheme and we are all impressed, uh are we not?

 

What is more dangerous, a missile into the ocean by a starved country that has a huge army that cant get here to burn our city down, or those who attempt to incite rage, anger, and action that can burn down our city.

 

Let us pay appropriate attention to danger up close and personal.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:40 | 2289616 Global Hunter
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Its a good point however the way I see it is, the more of a perceived threat these "rogue" nations get to the status quo here in the West, the more the perceived safety or exclusivity of the US Dollar lessens.  This will give the Administration in the WH more reason to crank up the internal pressure that you speak of (race baiting and riots will be one) so they can have an excuse to crack down on the civilian population, just before hyperinflation kicks in.  

In other words countries sense the vulnerability of the USA and will begin to go on the "offensive", meanwhile at home the current political class will become more desperate and corned as a result.  Its all important IMO, and its getting very hot and twitchy.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:29 | 2289585 Caviar Emptor
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Each media source reveals an additional piece of the puzzle...



PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea urged its people to rally behind new leader Kim Jong Un as tens of thousands gathered Sunday in a central square to observe the end of a 100-day mourning period following the death of his father, Kim Jong Il.

The commemoration comes as North Korea prepares to launch a satellite into space on a long-range rocket next month — plans that the United States warns could jeopardize a recent deal that would ship U.S. food aid to the North in exchange for a moratorium on missile and nuclear tests.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-koreans-observe-e... more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/25/2712924/kim-jong-un-ends-100-days-...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:40 | 2289614 nmewn
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O'Barry: Ummm ahhh, that NK guy over there is glaring back at me. Doesn't he know I just errr ahhh gave him tons of groceries?

Soldier: Mr President, North Koreans can't vote even in their own country.

O'Barry: Well ahhh what kind of country are they running over there where bribes errr ahhh incentives don't mean anything?

Soldier: A totalitarian state.

O'Barry: Hmmm.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:22 | 2289785 Dr. Engali
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Soldier: A totalitarian state.

O'Barry: Hmmmmm

Nmewn are you taliking about NK or the U. S. ?

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:23 | 2290220 nmewn
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We're going to find out soon enough.

Our system of contract law stands/begins with a simple premise.

You cannot be coerced into signing a contract and have the contract be binding. Obligating yourself to pay for something under duress has long been held as illegal and/or illegitimate in the eyes of the law.

Just like a kidnapper, the ransom paid, but he in turn caught, he is not entitled to keep the money just because the victims complied with his ultimatum, his demands, his non-negotiable terms. It was done under duress...the victims were forced...he is not allowed to profit from it.

ObamaCare will be ruled on soon. If it stands prepare yourself.

In spite of all the proven ties between the few oligarchs in the highest places enriching themselves at the expense of the many...this is the in your face big one, as it destroys our concept of right and wrong, the very foundation of our law.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:33 | 2289911 Rick64
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Yep, same ole game.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:42 | 2289615 Monedas
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What do the Norkos and ZHers and Turders have in common ?   We're all waiting for the same "Implosion" of the West !   Monedas  2012   Now that's scary ? Especially when the Norkos are China's "Coal Mine Canary" !

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:45 | 2289627 bugs_
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so how many dong are on this rocket launch fizzling out too?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:48 | 2289651 Monedas
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Compassion is sending the Norkos 10,000 gross of tweezers so their starving children can "second harvest" all the pig shit for kernels of USDA corn !  Monedas  2012   In the West....we call it fecal gleaning !

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:50 | 2289659 TradingJoe
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If Mr Obama still thinks his"re election" is a slam dunk, then he clearly had too much of his own kool aid!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:49 | 2289660 kito
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North korea has no oil.....nothing to see here...move on.....

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:24 | 2289794 Dr. Engali
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No they don't have oil but they do have cheap labor. Labor costs for the iPhone are getting a bit pricy in China.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:10 | 2289747 rsnoble
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Fuck Obama they should've nailed his worthless fucking non-citizen ass while they had the chance!  I'm sick and tired of the goddamn games bros. We've been hijacked. This motherfucker is a goddamn farce as is most of our entire fucking sytem. Game over you fucking morons the word is out!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:20 | 2289774 Monedas
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I would prefer the company of black libertarians over white, trouble making liberals !  No contest !  The only problem is scarcity of black libertarians !   Monedas  2012   A work in progress !

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:23 | 2290219 Marc_W
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Sadly the most virulently anti-white racists are in fact white liberals.  And much of the socialism in the world is the fault of whites.  Much of the decline of individual freedom is the fault of whites.

 

That's why I am not a white supremacist, merely a racist.  I don't love all white people, I merely hate most non-white people due to many negative experiences with non-whites throughout my life.

 

An important distinction, I think.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:20 | 2289779 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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Is Obama a natural born US citizen. I thought his father was non-US citizen? Someone needs to investigate this...oh wait...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:41 | 2289938 Ungaro
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His genuine birth cert can be found here.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:23 | 2289789 BlackholeDivestment
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...North Korea is a sick pathetic joke of a cult country ...and the dipshits are a cash cow for the war company profit machine. The dumb commie antichrist bastards are a suicide to, just like all the idiots in the suicidal Mahdi Morons in the Middle East. You combine these assholes with the globalist agenda and Israel and all you get is prophetic death and destruction ahh coming soon.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:30 | 2289915 newengland
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+1 'BlackholeDivestment'.

The medieval cults of the middle east and the abused snivelling slaves of the Far East have made little progress, despite every opportunity in the 20th century. They are ruled by fascist dictators or slaves of mercantile masters who envy the West, and make deals with our psychopathic corporatist minority.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:14 | 2289890 yogibear
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No cruise missiles yet Korea is demanding more money and food to continue advancing it's weapons.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:30 | 2289891 earleflorida
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FWIW Dept:

"Deception"__ *[Pakistan, the United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons] by Adrian Levy & Catherine Scott-Clark c.2007 

Quoting a passage of surreal political epidemic xenophobia... a classical mark-to-reload con-game on a 'NWO Globalization Planned Agenda via the United States'? Ref: Chapter [New Think] #19; Page 410-11

"Donald Rumsfeld revealed that his advisers were recommending the use of B61-11 bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapons, and that american naval aircraft had already begun simulating rapid ascending maneuvers known as "over the shoulder" bombing from US carriers positioned in the Arabian Sea. This was a policy drawn straight out of Robert Joseph's radical strategy paper from 2001, when he had raised the idea of  pre-emptively dropping a nuclear bomb. The B61-11 was the perfect weapon. Designed to burrow, fitted with what nuclear designers called an earth-penetrating warhead, before deploying a nuclear explosive capable of destroying multiple layers of reinforced concrete -- it could be fitted with variable loads from 0.3 to 340 kilotons. The same weapon had been advanced for use in Libya's subterranean chemical weapons factory but was controversial that the proposal had been stood down.

Joseph's proposal divided even the most battle-hardened flag officers. "We're talking about mushroom clouds, radiation, mass casualties and contamination over years," one senior intelligence official told Seymour Hersh. The nuclear option was a "juggernaut that has to be stop." After senior military chiefs gave Bush formal notice of their opposition, advisers on the Defense Science Board -- the defense secretary's independent panel of experts, chaired by neo-conservative William Schneider Jr. -- recommended that the B61 could be redesigned "with more blast and less radiation." All the while Mohamed ElBaradei at the IAEA continued to stress that dialogue was the only option. On 8 March 2006 he warned that the Iran crisis required "a comprehensive political settlement that takes account all underlying issues." Bush ignored the entreaty, warning: "I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel."  ___ End Passage Quote

__ Since 2006 the U.S. has developed a Bunker-Buster with unimaginable destruction just waiting for Obama and the MIC's [a chance to try out their new toys?], giving the, 'all-systems-go-signal', which could be any-day now. Afterall, he could robosign while on AirForce-One as he had done with Libya? Remember, he is a 'Noble-Peace-Prize Weiner?'

Note: The Bush [#43] administration gutted the CIA and the old guard at the Defense Dept., bringing in the "Vulcan Team", of past neo-conservative administrations reminiscent of the Reagan, Bush #41, and even some of Clinton's old hands who all had their hands dirtied from Afghanistan/Pakistan/ USSR War?

Pakistan had supplied N. Korea with Fissile [P-1/ P-2 Centrifuges] Technology to enrich uranium to weapons grade. In fact on May 28,1998 Pakistan successfully tested six-nuclear bombs precisely one month after India had tested four-nuclear bombs that were much less powerful than what the Pak's had tested.

Ironically, two days later the Pakistanian's tested on May 30, 1998 a plutonium nuclear bomb for N. Korea successfully. Needless to say the dual mandate for N.Korea's nuclear program was scuttle for the Pakistanian P-2  Centrfuge Technology.

The Chinese helped with solid-rocket missiles. N. Korean missiles also helped the Pak's in their infantile stage in the late 80's.  Pak's delivery for warhead small-nukes was the retro-fitting of US F-16's,... given to the Pak's as patronage in being a staunch ally of America?  

Reagan knew, and lied to congress, Bush #41 knew and lied to congress, Clinton knew and lied to congress, Bush #43 knew and lied to congress, and Obama knows and is lying to congress,... although congress has played dumb for decades! Pathetic!!!  

Pakistan has proliferated the entire Muslim world and any terrorist group wanna-be for decades with nuclear know-how, period!

Why did America pick on Iraq, and not go after Libya that had a visible nuclear program? Why did America go after Afghanistan, when it is Pakistan's Military and ISI that virtually controls their surrogate neighbors every move. The Pakistanian's own Afghanistan internally and externally, period!

N. Korea would be nowhere if not for Pakistan and China, but they ain't got oil!

Finally,... as I said in the beginning - this is a planned expose to mark-reload-mark every decade or so to keep the mission creep alive and well and the Mother Fucker's MIC well fed at the Pentagon!

JMO

Thankyou Tyler

Ps. The Book, 'Deception', should be required reading, and as a follow through a good read would be "The Dark Side", by Jane Mayer c.2008 **[ The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Dreams] 

Ps2. Remember Bolton, and Cheney,... never forget the "Vulcan's"?  ___ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:16 | 2289893 lolmao500
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Would be hilarious if the rocket screwed up and landed in Beijing...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:36 | 2289928 Baptiste Say
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Or in the DMZ.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:22 | 2289900 JamesBond
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isn't its trajectory up and then down?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:24 | 2289904 newengland
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North Korea reminds me of the mad man theory: behave like a psycho, and everyone will pacify you. Gaddafi was a master at that. So are the rest of the desert despots in the Middle East. All of them, the muslims and jews.

The former USSR was a world master at the mad man theory. When it crumbled after the West had fed its people with grain trades and its elite had abused its people, its oligarchs carved up the nation's wealth, and now use their wealth to trade with Western oligarchs.

See the story about the Russian bankster shot on his doorstep this week in London, and see that the mad men hate ordinary people, and steal our resources, no matter our creed color nationality or religion.

Whoever you vote for, the big government wins...until you don't, and stay close to your resources, your community, your neighbours, family and friends. 

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:24 | 2289906 Jim in MN
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:39 | 2289933 newengland
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Jim,

Beautiful part of the world, the Far East. Pity that it will be blown to smithereens again. They will do it to themselves.  Pity. They profited from easy money in the West, and they will die from easy money in the West. Their choice.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:28 | 2289912 Curt W
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Do they actually intend to put a satellite in orbit?

The reason we launch towards the east is to gain extra momentum from earths spin.  A launch south will require much more fuel.

I guess Obama's food bribe didn't work.  When the food deal was announced last month, all the Obamabots were praising the peace prize president.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:55 | 2289963 newengland
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IF the mad men of North Korea who enslave and starve their own people fire a deadly missile at the Phillipines, then it serves a few cynical aims:

1. Surprise, and get attention for its psychopathic rulers.

2. Inflame the Muslims who dominate the Phillipines.

3. Draw the West into a quagmire.

North Korea - the new mad man of the world, having learnt well from past masters the former USSR and Gaddafi.

The only no fly zone we need is a ban on all travel between the West any any nation that threatens us, apart from essential trade missions and diplomatic missions; our diplomats, not theirs. Let them live in their mad man world. Trade with them. Nothing more. End all 'foreign aid'. End the Fed.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:57 | 2289967 Fish Gone Bad
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The US has threatened to use nukes on North Korea a few times, so I understand their desire to have nukes and missiles.  Since the country has about enough electricity to light one light bulb, why do they need a satellite?

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 07:38 | 2290278 lolmao500
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It's all BS. The US CANNOT use nukes against North Korea. Not ICBM/SLBMs anyways... too dangerous to start an accidental nuclear war with China and Russia.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 09:25 | 2290589 zerozulu
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I think DPRK got an order from Iran and Iranian want to make sure they work before paying in oil.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 00:34 | 2290018 carbonmutant
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Probably aiming for Ling Shan islands...lol

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 02:02 | 2290094 Missiondweller
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If Obama hadn't killed the Boeing air-laser program he could shoot it down as they likely did under Bush  did in the past when the missile "mysteriously" blew up shortly after take off.

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 02:23 | 2290101 slewie the pi-rat
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remember prezGeraldFord on the 1st tee?  there are entire highlight reels of him careening golf balls offa people who showed up to see him try to play

of course, after pardoning nixon, the only parts left to his game were white knucks and the yips

he always seemed to enjoy hospitalizing the spactaors, too.  the secretService would yell "fore" on his backswing...  bobHope and bingCrosby were green with envy; evey time he grabbed a driver the cameras were there and people would roll their eyes and try to act like they weren't laughing;  then he would just about fuking kill one of them with a golf ball...

why am i reminded of this nonsense?  b/c if anything goes wrong, nKorea will probly blame it on some cross-eyed lunatic engineer everyone had great trust in, and i'll be ROTFL

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 03:09 | 2290112 boiltherich
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For normally smart people ZH has a lot of denial issues. 

North Korea is made out by the MSM to be starving backward joke and for the most part it is.  But one family backed by China owns it all and they put all their eggs in a single basket.  Nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles.  The people are brainwashed and even if the few who can think for themselves wanted to they could not do anything about it, there is a summary death penalty without trial for anything like speaking your mind, connecting to the internet, or looking sideways at  anybody that does not like you.  They have as many active duty military as the USA, about two million, and a far larger reserve than the USA.  Ha Ha, some joke. 

It is smaller than Nicaragua, smaller than Mississippi.  24 million people and yet it has the fourth largest number of people in military uniform in the world after China, India, and the USA, they have more people on active duty than Russia.  Every person in the nation is inducted by their draft at age 17, total available between 16 and 49 for service is over 13 million.  That means they also have one of the largest reserve forces on the planet with over 8 million.  Only Russia has a larger force in sheer numbers. 

And Soul, 23 million people in the metro area, as big as greater LA and Chicago combined, it is ON the DMZ, one wonders why the North would need missiles able to Hawaii and San Francisco when the heart of South Korea could be obliterated by a bomb in a Jeep at the border crossing.  It would be as if San Diego were our capital and Baja decided they needed nuclear weapons and long range missiles to do what exactly?  Keep us in line?  Prevent an attack that has never come in 60 years? 

The reality of the situation is that North Korea is a province of China and China keeps it's little pet on a leash, since China has become more western and now deeply enmeshed in capitalism it can't be as belligerent and undiplomatic as it used to be so it keeps it's proxy in the Kim family as a major geopolitical poker chip.  China got Hong Kong and wants Taiwan and I think it is willing to trade North Korea and unification on the peninsula to get it.  But, no way is the USA giving up Taiwan, this is a standoff that will take centuries to end.  So China turns up the heat.  South Korea has been under the US nuclear umbrella since before I was born, ditto North Korea being a Chinese protectorate.  For the North to go off on it's own without Chinese approval and build nukes and ways to send them around the Pacific would be no different than if the South decided they needed their own nuclear weapons independent of US politics.  It would be not just disingenuous of us to claim we have no control over South Korea in this matter it would be laughable on it's face. 

So fine, everyone here thinks it is perfectly fine for Iran to build nuclear weapons, and now you will say it is fine for North Korea to have them as well, so I say great, let Japan and South Korea have them too, but bigger and more of them.  Oh, and Taiwan, the only reason they have survived as a nation is their protector in the USA, and we can't afford to protect them any longer so let them have a major arsenal as well, and better yet, give them the missiles Iran and North Korea only hope for at this point.  Fuck it, let's give missiles and nukes to everyone, I understand Peru and Ecuador have boundary disputes.  How about some warring factions of Shia and Sunni?  For that matter I don't like my fucktard neighbor much. 

Keeping the world from roasting like a marshmellow at a campout has not been easy work, and that is why it cannot be left to morons on websites like this.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 19:53 | 2292877 Monkeyfister
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And Soul, 23 million people in the metro area, as big as greater LA and Chicago combined, it is ON the DMZ, one wonders why the North would need missiles able to Hawaii and San Francisco when the heart of South Korea could be obliterated by a bomb in a Jeep at the border crossing.  It would be as if San Diego were our capital and Baja decided they needed nuclear weapons and long range missiles to do what exactly?  Keep us in line?  Prevent an attack that has never come in 60 years?

 

Well, as I wrote below, North Korea's big game is to extort Food and Oil Products from "the West," while continuing to pursue their fetish of GIANT Military toys. I laid out their entire M.O., below. The reason they are building long-range missiles is simple: a deterrent to the US and others from entering into any Regional conflict they provoke.

"Don't get involved, U.S., or Anchorage and Pearl Harbor get it! You know, we Kim's are crazy enough to do it just for the attention!!!" is their message. Choose your own "allied" "Western" Country, and cities as appropriate.

It is well-known that NoKo already has enough conventional artillary amassed on the border to level Seoul, and all the US Troops on the DMZ in under 30-minutes. Ready to scrape clean, and re-build.

As to their nukes-- they are NOT for Seoul, or anywhere in South Korea. They WANT re-unification... but under L'il Kim. So, the LAST thing they want is to nuke Seoul-- the city will be uninhabitable, and all their troops will have to pass through it constantly.

Just like Iran will never fire nukes on Israel-- the winds will blow the fallout over Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, and back to themselves.

 

As I surmised below, the lesson learned is: It is good to be a nuclear-armed country with a reputation for batshit crazy leadership.You can get away with anything, and the rest of the world will play along, over, and over again.

We certainly do not ned more nukes ANYWHERE, but here we are... Mutually Assured Destruction is becoming less abstract right now. Perhaps, if were lucky, it will bring the World's Leadership to their senses. Heh... right.

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 02:59 | 2290117 hangman
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The problem, the way I see it, is that, we have two tier system in this world.  Bankers get away with gambling with trillions and nations faith, etc.; a hungry person steals a candy bar and ends up in prison, etc.

We have countries developing, shooting, using, stockpiling, nuclear meltdowns, accidents, actual use during battles and wars, etc., etc., killing thousands, etc. but others countries are not even allow to test or launch satellites, etc.?

Looking at the supposed trajectory, there are other countries along the path of missile flight that are much more close to, etc., why Japan  so hyperventilating?  I mean the supposedly the missile is not even armed and they talk about some serious potential damage, etc.

Am I missing something here?

 

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 03:31 | 2290133 boiltherich
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Yes you are.  The missile being tested is designed to have over 6,000 miles of range, it will be launched and splashed into the ocean nearby, but the very fact that it can launch and the data they get from this test will mean that they now have the ability to hit LA, Hawaii (our navy) and San Francisco.  And it is actually not that much of a leap from a range of 6,000 miles and a range of 12,000, and of course 12k is the magic number because it mans you can hit any spot on the planet. 

But more important than all of that is that the world as bad as things are has only been able to survive through a geopolitical balancing act that this will destroy.  This is China making it's move, and their attitude is that if all nations lose 99% of their population in a global nuclear war that leaves the US with 3 million people and China with 13 million.  A much more manageable set of numbers. 

If I were a war planner/defense expert in the west I would be looking at the situation as the most dangerous ever.  Not only has nuclear proliferation become ineffective now, those that are getting bombs are also getting ways to deliver them, and this can only precipitate a preemptive nuclear war.  Nuclear weapons are only useful if they are used first to obliterate your enemy.  I had hoped we left that behind us 20 years ago when the Soviet Union fell apart.  Now thanks to some rag headed bullshit artists and a megalomaniacal family in Korea we are back at the height of the cold war. 

Duck and cover because the west is not going to submit to blackmail from two bit shithole backwater Islamic republics or Chinese proxy commie assholes. 

Ron Paul might have been a good idea, 35 years ago.  Too late now.  All I ask is that you all stop pretending reality is something other than what it is.  The world is the way the world is, deal with it.  Work for better, and hope for more, but learn to deal with what is.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 08:17 | 2290295 Element
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The whole point of Sovereign States is that they can exert force to assert they are sovereigns, i,.e. they can use force to 'decide' for 'their' people.

Not that it's even necessary to indulge the optional layer of pretending to ever do what the people actually want.

The state can use force to ignore them, or shut-them-up, entice them to another path, or reward them for commitment to a lie.

So, for a state, that is surrounded by numerous such states, just as vile as itself, that denies even their people the use of force to get what they only NEED, or with to be ALLOWED to have or do, well, such a State is always going to want more capacity to enforce their Sovereign 'Rights' to decide (i.e. might is what makes Right, just look at the US fire-bombing of WWII, and the total lack of hanging of leading war criminals in the US administration).

Especially if a state is want to decide against an even more horrifically armed state, else a union of similarly tawdry power-hungry well-armed states, or alliance.

The state as a legal entity of power bestowal, and its expression to sovereignty, over citizens, and in a conflict with another state's violence-backed demands, will not give up nukes.

And if the only "moral authority" is that of another more-hideously armed state, who's armaments and perceived might makes it apparently ever more-so the RIGHTEOUS, or else the moral authority flows from some representatives of such a union, or an assembly of such morally bereft states ... well then, ... you can forget about all these little pariah states ever foregoing nukes and delivery systems, that allows them to equalise with the a-moral mighty 'righteous' and ultimate Sovereign ones, and so they can continue to 'decide' for their people.

If you think you can do something about that without first eliminating every form of violent state power, which is really nothing more than a violent organised criminal enterprise, when all is said an done, then I wish you much luck trying.

May I humbly suggest you live with how this actually is?

Or do something to change it.

The NWO wants a violent sovereign global criminal superstate.

I don't think a violent might-makes-right Sovereign state of any kind can ever be part of a viable or realistic answer.

Where to then?

Oh yes, the Illuminist NWO wants us to try everything out.  They want us to decide it has all failed, after they have carefully vandalised and destroyed everything, and then offer us their great solution.

Create the problem ... provide the solution ... steal the Sovereign power.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 08:45 | 2290429 fingulas
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The solution is to arm smaller and smaller groups with more powerful weapons.  Until the individual is carrying what amounts to a nuclear device.

At that point everyone is capable of projecting force equal to a state and therefore participates in group activites only to the extent they are willing to do so. 

The group will no longer have the power to use coercion to get what they want and MUST respect the will of the individual.  Might makes right..and in this case Might = Liberty.

The current tech trends point to this type of individual empowerment rapidly approaching.  The governments are aware of this and franticly trying to stop it.

NK and Iran are just symptoms of a larger trend....smaller groups will be able to project greater firepower for less cost as time goes forward.  This trend shall accelerate.

Nukes, BTW, are rapidly becoming obsolete if they weren't already.  The next great war will be fought with millions of small robots...nukes won't save you against them.

 

 

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 08:45 | 2290431 fingulas
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The solution is to arm smaller and smaller groups with more powerful weapons.  Until the individual is carrying what amounts to a nuclear device.

At that point everyone is capable of projecting force equal to a state and therefore participates in group activites only to the extent they are willing to do so. 

The group will no longer have the power to use coercion to get what they want and MUST respect the will of the individual.  Might makes right..and in this case Might = Liberty.

The current tech trends point to this type of individual empowerment rapidly approaching.  The governments are aware of this and franticly trying to stop it.

NK and Iran are just symptoms of a larger trend....smaller groups will be able to project greater firepower for less cost as time goes forward.  This trend shall accelerate.

Nukes, BTW, are rapidly becoming obsolete if they weren't already.  The next great war will be fought with millions of small robots...nukes won't save you against them.

 

 

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 01:14 | 2293494 MeelionDollerBogus
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Small robots are expensive & complicated.

Small microbes are cheap & bat-shit scary.

That's how the next big war will be fought.

Some microbes can even survive IN a nuclear reactor.

THAT is what in poker is called a 'tell'

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 04:12 | 2293634 Element
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... and the band played on ...

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 03:04 | 2290124 Archduke
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This is clearly more bellicose posturing on the part of North Korea.

 

If you want to launch something to orbit, you send it along the equator,

orthogonally against the axis of rotation: it's more efficient that way.

 

instead this is heading 90 degree off the optimal path, it aimed

straight at the american bases stationed in the Philippines.

 

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 03:39 | 2290136 hangman
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American bases are everywhere...!!!  It doesn't matter which direction they launch.  Looks like supposed flight trajectory hugs the chinese coastlines, etc., perhaps the only country friendly to DPRK.  I've heard that selected launch site is near the chinese border so as not to invite pre-emptive strike from allies, etc.

My curiosity is about why Japan is so worried about DPRK's supposedly satellite launch, in which looking at the flight trejectory, is flying away from Japan...?  I would think S. Korea, Phillippines, Taiwan, hongkong, even china would be and should be more worried.  No?

Does anyone know?

 

 

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:59 | 2290238 dumbfounded
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Looks to me like it is simply the trajectory with maximum range for flight over open water.

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 03:25 | 2290131 lokim
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Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:06 | 2290205 cbucket
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Interesting that James Cameron has been diving near the Mariana Trench today.  (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17503395).  I wonder if the US Military will make use of his sub and see if they can locate the missile.  Its not very far away.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:21 | 2290217 Moe Howard
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They were shooting AT Cameron. They are still upset about his lame movie Avatar, with that " Unubtanium " bullshit.

Has there ever been a more immature and childish written science fiction movie that was hailed as great before?

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 01:09 | 2293482 MeelionDollerBogus
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Avatar was full of intrustive NLP-level manipulation. It was annoying as hell.

But it was also a cool presentation of 3D with a nice color-scheme. Meh.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:17 | 2290213 Moe Howard
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If standing at the DMZ behind bulletproof glass makes O'bama a "badass", then I am the badest ass of all.

I stood there for a year, without bulletproof glass, many times without a weapon, looking at the north. I was even subject to loudspeakers blaring propaganda and pieces of paper dropped on my head with yankee soldiers crushing the freedom of korea printed on them. Shoot, unlike Afganistan, I wasn't allowed to roam around off the camp after midnight killing random villagers. Weird, huh?

Of course, it is ok for the Godless North ruled by a crazy man to have nukes. It is Iran that is scary, doncha know that they could get a nuke someday?

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 07:13 | 2290253 Marc_W
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North Korea is a relic of the Cold War.  They have nukes and are therefore an immovable object geopolitically.  No nation will dare threaten them.  But they were always under the umbrella of Soviet and Chinese power anyway.

 

China should work to bring them into the 21st century.  But then, perhaps they like having their little Pit Bull ready to steam roll South Korea should America ever be unable or unwilling to defend it.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 07:55 | 2290301 jay28elle
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You mean to tell me they are still gonna pop off a rocket test after BO, himself, stood in the DMZ and starred down all of North Korea?  Surely BO didn't blink first. 

 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 09:51 | 2290674 mickeyman
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Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Coriolis force might carry it over Taiwan.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 20:02 | 2292797 Monkeyfister
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A. North Korea requires two things: Oil and Food.

B. They really, really LIKE their big Military toys, and will always do whatever it takes to make their toys bigger and better and more.

C. Their Modus Operandi is always the same:

1. Against all International warnings and threats, they will always pursue the next big milestone in their Military Toy Story. Always. They will always launch/test/build, etc the next thing.

2. When the International threats are realized, and the sanctions come down on them, and the Food and Oil stops coming into their ports, they bellyache to China, and stage a hissy-fit show of force aimed at South Korea and Japan. The stunt is always just barely big enough to scare the hell out of Japan, SoKo, and the US to bring everyone together for talks.

3. North Korea will then declare that they will stop their bad behavior if, and only if, the Food and Oil spigots get turned back on.

4. When the Food and Oil start coming in again, they settle down for ~6-18 months, and then...

5. They jump back in to their cycle.

6. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Lesson learned: It's good to be a nuclear-armed country with a reputation for utterly batshit crazy leadership. You can get away with anything.

The rest of the world will never get tired of playing the same old song over and over... In fact, they love to play along.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7-ywsAgfzig/Sen1YiEtTWI/AAAAAAAACCs/V9TiP6hHnp...

 

 

 

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