NSA Whistleblower Speaks Live: "The Government Is Lying To You"

Tyler Durden's picture

Just a month ago we raised more than a proverbial eyebrow when we noted the creation of the NSA's Utah Data Center (codename Stellar Wind) and William Binney's formidable statement that "we are this far from a turnkey totalitarian state". Democracy Now has the former National Security Agency technical director whistleblower's first TV interview in which he discusses the NSA's massive power to spy on Americans and why the FBI raided his home. Since retiring from the NSA in 2001, he has warned that the NSA’s data-mining program has become so vast that it could "create an Orwellian state." Today marks the first time Binney has spoken on national TV about NSA surveillance. Starting with his pre-9-11 identification of the world-wide-web as a voluminous problem since the NSA was 'falling behind the rate-of-change', his success in creating a system (codenamed Thin-Thread) for 'grabbing' all the data and the critical 'lawful' anonymization of that data (according to mandate at the time) which as soon as 9-11 occurred went out of the window as all domestic and foreign communications was now stored (starting with AT&T's forking over their data). This direct violation of the constitutional rights of everybody in the country was why Binney decided he could not stay (leaving one month after 9-11) along with the violation of almost every privacy and intelligence act as near-bottomless databases store all forms of communication collected by the agency, including private emails, cell phone calls, Google searches and other personal data.

There was a time when Americans still cared about matters such as personal privacy. Luckily, they now have iGadgets to keep them distracted as they hand over their last pieces of individuality to the Tzar of conformity.


Part 1 - Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance

William Binney's shocking facts start at around 15:00...



Part 2 - Detained in the U.S.: Filmmaker Laura Poitras Held, Questioned Some 40 Times at U.S. Airports

The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Laura Poitras discusses how she has been repeatedly detained and questioned by federal agents whenever she enters the United States. Poitras said the interrogations began after she began working on her documentary, "My Country, My Country," about post-invasion Iraq. Her most recent film, "The Oath," was about Yemen and Guantánamo and follows the lives of two past associates of Osama bin Laden. She estimates she has been detained approximately 40 times and has had her laptop, cell phone and personal belongings repeatedly searched.




Part 3 - "We Don’t Live in a Free Country": Jacob Appelbaum on Being Target of Widespread Gov’t Surveillance

We speak with Jacob Appelbaum, a computer researcher who has faced a stream of interrogations and electronic surveillance since he volunteered with the whistleblowing website, WikiLeaks. He describes being detained more than a dozen times at the airport and interrogated by federal agents who asked about his political views and confiscated his cell phone and laptop. When asked why he cannot talk about what happened after he was questioned, Appelbaum says, "Because we don’t live in a free country. And if I did, I guess I could tell you about it." A federal judge ordered Twitter to hand over information about Appelbaum’s account. Meanwhile, he continues to work on the Tor Project, an anonymity network that ensures every person has the right to browse the internet without restriction and the right to speak freely.




Part 4 - Whistleblower: The NSA is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails

National Security Agency whistleblower

William Binney reveals he believes domestic surveillance has become more expansive under President Obama than President George W. Bush. He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion "transactions" — phone calls, emails and other forms of data — from Americans. This likely includes copies of almost all of the emails sent and received from most people living in the United States. Binney talks about Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act and challenges NSA Director Keith Alexander’s assertion that the NSA is not intercepting information about U.S. Citizens.



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Normalcy Bias's picture

...Suicide by karate-chop to the back of his own neck?

slewie the pi-rat's picture

L0L!!!  @ Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of Slewies!!!!

i wonder what it's like to get all those greenies?

this is clonie3's first post

so, welcome?

probably the fukingPentagon jealous of spook-bot clonie from foggyBottom?

i'm having kitties, BiCheZ!


i-dog's picture

I believe the correct term is 'pups'...but he/she/it fooled me, too. You should be flattered. :-)

What will your next pup be named - Slewie-the-pi-rat?

nmewn's picture

lol...I think the "hyphens" been popped (for all the spelling nazis).

Next he'll have to go for a one...instead of the L or some such nonsense.

UP Forester's picture

Gotta be a "1" instead of the L.  "I" has already been used.

1C3-N1N3's picture

There yinz are! Have a greenie! Actually, keep having kitties and receive even more green(ies)!

trying to make sense of it all's picture

Wait. Which is the Slewie that called me a c*nt? I don't like that one.

fuu's picture

Well that takes care of who slewie pissed off, it was vic.

Unprepared's picture

MSM is a mirage of lies that can ruin you.

DaveyJones's picture

I linked it this morning. Thanks for picking it up Tyler. 2361116

Triggernometry's picture

Old news, but critical to liberty as is an informed public.

Paul Atreides's picture

Respect Davey I watched it this morning, thanks!

ChrisFromMorningside's picture

"We know who the active denialists are – not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies.  Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay.  Let’s let their houses burn.  Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands.  Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices."

Eco-fascist on Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevezwick/2012/04/19/a-tennessee-firemans-s...

Yep, if you are a global warming "denialist" -- in other words, if you commit Thoughtcrime by challenging the Obama administration and the academic status quo -- you are persona non grata in "the American family" (as Rahm Emmanuel likes to call it). Do not expect any conventional social or legal protections from the rest of society anymore. Prepare for land expropriation and starvation.

[sarc]Gee, even though free enterprise and free markets are under attack, I'm glad we have that paragon of liberty, Forbes, to give us to real news.[/sarc]

AndTheRest's picture

Environmentalism is just one more tool of the modern tyrant.

goldfish1's picture

There's environmentalism and there's environmentalism. Which are you talking about?

"...Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay.  Let’s let their houses burn..."

I'd be careful, Forbes, of giving the rubes any ideas. They may take a page from your playbook and substitue "bankers" for "environmentalists". 

fuu's picture

You have an extra hyphen.

MillionDollarBonus_'s picture


The patriot act has been deemed constitutional by America’s Supreme Court – the most learned constitutional scholars. But spotty libertarian computer nerds still won’t stop whining about “national surveillance” and "the fourth amendment". These libertarian nerds and weedy anarchists were even opposed to America going after Sadam Hussein for 9/11, such is their total hatred for American values and American freedom. 


Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

There won't be anymore freedom.  Of that you can be sure.  Go watch the Hunger Games.  You want to see what government control could look like?  They won't even have to shove a cattle prod up your ass to make you smile about your own death.

Father Lucifer's picture

Watch the movie "The Road" to see what the future REALLY has in store.

The Alarmist's picture

I do wish you would put a /sarc tag at the end of your posts.

Max Fischer's picture



I agree! It's so irritating!  Is he serious today??  Is he NOT serious today??? YOU THINK WE HAVE SPECIAL ESP SKILLS!!?????  WTF!!! Even "/sarc" can be confusing.  Does /sarc mean "on" or "off"? 

I think he should write a disclaimer before the post starts... something easily understood, like "THE FOLLOWING COMMENT IS INTENDED FOR HUMOR AND SARCASM, AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LITERALLY."

then, as an extra layer of clarity, perhaps Tyler can shade the entire post in a deep burgundy color. 

I'm so fucking sick of people thinking we can read minds.  The first step to changing the status quo is effective communication.  IDIOTS!

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi


fuu's picture

It's nice that all the members of Truth Team 6 could be in one thread.

Dr. Engali's picture

You should consider everything coming from MDB as satire. Just enjoy it for what it is, pointing out the absurdity by being absurd.

RichardP's picture

That was sarcasm, right???

Ol Man's picture

Here is the problem, MDB.  You can't force anyone to act to their detriment for very long.  They wake pretty quickly when it starts hurting.  To enforce beyond that requires lots and lots of troops.  More than you have...

Welcome to the revoltion...


metastar's picture

Lacking troops, some of the tactics appear to be:

Going after one small group at a time (e.g. Raw milk, silver coin producers, etc)

Classic divide and conquer

Slowly building the infrastructure and laws to erode personal liberty and power (e.g. going after guns, FEMA camps, national control of local police, an IRS who can take your passport, NDAA, CISPA, etc...).

We have a criminal corrupt and illegitimate government which no longer represents We The People.

French Frog's picture

Can't even be arsed to reply ... and no, it's not about lazyness but sometimes one doesn't even know where to start as there's so much wrong with your statement (on purpose I guess)

Max Fischer's picture





Things that go bump's picture

I laughed when I heard he got a heart transplant - couldn't happen to a nicer guy.  Our boy, Cheney, is enjoying a preview of Hell. Recovering from that surgery, if he ever really does at his age, is the easy part. You wouldn't believe the things they will do to him to make sure that heart is functioning properly and he is not rejecting it.  Believe me, the Spanish Inquisition had more mercy than a heart surgeon. The smart ones accept their fate and go quietly into that good night.    

DOT's picture

Thirty-one years of "still breathing" says you are so wrong.

Things that go bump's picture

You obviously weren't in your 70s when you got one.  

toady's picture

What do you get a heartless bastard for Christmas?

A heart transplant!

MFL8240's picture

Still Cheney who is at fault after 3 years?  You liberals make me laugh!

Urban Roman's picture

-1 for not even being a good troll.

El Oregonian's picture

Dude, can you ever get on the right side of any issue?

Fred Garvin's picture

MDB-Please explain the connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11

(yes I know you are just a troll, but stay in character and torture the facts a little to try and make the non-existant connection)

Go ahead, amuse us!


Waffen's picture

this seems to be fitting, from the unequaled "les visible"


"Mr Apocalypse is dancing across the world’s stage like Gene Kelly. He’s singing in the rain. He’s wearing mirror shades. He’s humming an old Robert Johnson tune. He’s on his way to the crossroads to collect on some debts. It’s is a wonderful irony that those who have spent their lifetimes putting people into debt and operating off the principle of debt, are now going to find themselves very, very deeply in debt and unable to resolve it, except in a most timeless and ancient fashion.


It’s all under control and beautifully so. There’s nothing unpredictable, except for those of us, most of us, who can’t predict what is coming because; why spoil the surprise? In the meantime, that uncertainty is meant to provoke and inspire us to be better than we might have been in the process.


Keep holding the truth to be self evident and it will certainly become so, sooner or later, once it burns away the rubbish and rags that conceal it. It’s all about the right kind of desire and aspiration. This is what burns away the veils.  Some say that passionlessness is the key but that’s just another way up the mountain. You’re either climbing it or you are at the base camp arguing with the experts."



downrodeo's picture

this is why we used to have the captcha


man oh man was what you just said hilarious!  hahahahaah good on ya!

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

"The patriot act has been deemed constitutional by America’s Supreme Court"

In what case? If they faced no case over it they didn't pass a judgement on it yet.

"were even opposed to America going after Sadam Hussein for 9/11"

Iraq & Saddam Hussein had no involvement with 9/11. Everyone knows that. No one denies it today who did it. Why pretend?

"total hatred for American values and American freedom"

You mean freedom to murder brown people? Well ya, all the brown people are gonna get mad about it.


zanez's picture

"spotty libertarian computer nerds"  - classic MDB.

lemonobrien's picture

well, being daoist/buddhist, "it's all a delusion"