NSA Whistleblower Speaks Live: "The Government Is Lying To You"

Tyler Durden's picture

Just a month ago we raised more than a proverbial eyebrow when we noted the creation of the NSA's Utah Data Center (codename Stellar Wind) and William Binney's formidable statement that "we are this far from a turnkey totalitarian state". Democracy Now has the former National Security Agency technical director whistleblower's first TV interview in which he discusses the NSA's massive power to spy on Americans and why the FBI raided his home. Since retiring from the NSA in 2001, he has warned that the NSA’s data-mining program has become so vast that it could "create an Orwellian state." Today marks the first time Binney has spoken on national TV about NSA surveillance. Starting with his pre-9-11 identification of the world-wide-web as a voluminous problem since the NSA was 'falling behind the rate-of-change', his success in creating a system (codenamed Thin-Thread) for 'grabbing' all the data and the critical 'lawful' anonymization of that data (according to mandate at the time) which as soon as 9-11 occurred went out of the window as all domestic and foreign communications was now stored (starting with AT&T's forking over their data). This direct violation of the constitutional rights of everybody in the country was why Binney decided he could not stay (leaving one month after 9-11) along with the violation of almost every privacy and intelligence act as near-bottomless databases store all forms of communication collected by the agency, including private emails, cell phone calls, Google searches and other personal data.

There was a time when Americans still cared about matters such as personal privacy. Luckily, they now have iGadgets to keep them distracted as they hand over their last pieces of individuality to the Tzar of conformity.


Part 1 - Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance

William Binney's shocking facts start at around 15:00...



Part 2 - Detained in the U.S.: Filmmaker Laura Poitras Held, Questioned Some 40 Times at U.S. Airports

The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Laura Poitras discusses how she has been repeatedly detained and questioned by federal agents whenever she enters the United States. Poitras said the interrogations began after she began working on her documentary, "My Country, My Country," about post-invasion Iraq. Her most recent film, "The Oath," was about Yemen and Guantánamo and follows the lives of two past associates of Osama bin Laden. She estimates she has been detained approximately 40 times and has had her laptop, cell phone and personal belongings repeatedly searched.




Part 3 - "We Don’t Live in a Free Country": Jacob Appelbaum on Being Target of Widespread Gov’t Surveillance

We speak with Jacob Appelbaum, a computer researcher who has faced a stream of interrogations and electronic surveillance since he volunteered with the whistleblowing website, WikiLeaks. He describes being detained more than a dozen times at the airport and interrogated by federal agents who asked about his political views and confiscated his cell phone and laptop. When asked why he cannot talk about what happened after he was questioned, Appelbaum says, "Because we don’t live in a free country. And if I did, I guess I could tell you about it." A federal judge ordered Twitter to hand over information about Appelbaum’s account. Meanwhile, he continues to work on the Tor Project, an anonymity network that ensures every person has the right to browse the internet without restriction and the right to speak freely.




Part 4 - Whistleblower: The NSA is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails

National Security Agency whistleblower

William Binney reveals he believes domestic surveillance has become more expansive under President Obama than President George W. Bush. He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion "transactions" — phone calls, emails and other forms of data — from Americans. This likely includes copies of almost all of the emails sent and received from most people living in the United States. Binney talks about Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act and challenges NSA Director Keith Alexander’s assertion that the NSA is not intercepting information about U.S. Citizens.



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Larry Dallas's picture

Here's a trade: This guy will be dead like Breitbart inside of 90.

Does Intrade have death pool products to trade?

Kaiser Sousa's picture


sgt_doom's picture

Actually, IT IS NEWS about Binney's door being busted down, and the FBI putting a gun to his head while he's in the shower, and the FBI associated busts of the other signers of the DoD/IG complaint --- for the only reason being they were signatories to said complaint!

I keep pretty current, and even I wasn't aware of that, dearie.

Now the item below should not be news to anyone by this time:

Ten months prior to 9/11/01, it is publicly announced the Financial Management staff (D.I.A.) at the Pentagon is undertaking a DoD-wide audit.

One day prior to 9/11/01, the comptroller of the Pentagon announces the results of that audit: $2.3 trillion unaccounted for.

Seven hours prior to the morning of 9/11/01, a last-minute email is sent out requesting the presence of all onsite and offsite Financial Management staffers to report that morning for conference (located by the Pentagon's west wall).

That morning on 9/11/01, an airliner performs some amazing aeriel feats, flying directly deadcenter into the Pentagon's west wall, killing or severely injuring almost the entire Financial Management staff from the D.I.A./DoD.

But, as many Ameritards would say, nobody would ever kill for a lousy $2 trillion ! ! !  

Peter Pan's picture

Ah yes. And how much more has gone missing since then? Thank God Ben can make up the dfference.

NoClueSneaker's picture

Hank Paulson generated 16 Tr. out of the thin air.  They have actually never existed - so they r not missing.

GAO Fed Audit is unfortunately an off topic, on the both sides of the pond.

The Squid's picture


I don't know what all the fuss is about. After all, we live in dangerous times. Religious fanatics want to kill innocent Americans for deluded religious reasons. Sure American foreign policy is not perfect, but that is true for most countries. President Obama has done a good job of restoring faith in America's ability to lead western nations and the rest of the world into a new age of harmony. For this, we in the west are hated. These fanatics will not stop until we are destroyed and they will happily give their lives to achieve this end. Against such determination and blind pathological hatred, drastic measures are required.


The NSA and CIA protect American civilians from external threats and threats from within. After all, when you are the greatest country on earth, there are going to be a never ending list of evils, all trying to tear you down. The NSA and CIA also collaborate with other western nations, in order to ensure the free dissemination of information and concerted approach to avoiding threats, at a global level. Through the NSA and CIA, America also identifies and forges strategic alliances with political groups in developing nations, so as to ensure the development of democracy in countries that would otherwise be subject to oppressive regimes, which has an unbelievably positive effect on the populations there. Without these agencies operating, people in America and most western countries would also be in grave danger of being infiltrated and attacked, on a grand scale.


I think that giving these organisations the tools required to do their jobs is a very small price to pay for the peace of mind they afford the citizenry. Anyone trying to compromise the operations of these organisations, would logically be scrutinised, as they could pose a threat to the security of America. Hence the visit from the FBI, in this case....


AndTheRest's picture

You talk the talk.


I smell a member of the police state.

essence's picture

concerning your 17:14 post

Have you any supporting evidence concerning your allegation that the Financial staffers were specifically requested to meet near that portion of the pentagon?

I've read from many sources that prior to the hit, an onscene Dick Cheney was queried by an officer if the "orders still stand" and he replied "yes". Would that be the order for defenses to stand down?  Ive also read that some assistant sectary of transportation was there also and testified somewhere/sometime that he personally heard those "orders still stand" words from Cheney.

I'm also aware of the statements that the auditing section of the pentagon was where the hit was, however the thing about a meeting being called that morning ....that's new, and whoa, if true, that's huge.

More and more, everything about 9/11 reeks of false flag.

P.S. , I've also read that the NSA was created by an executive act by Pres Harry Truman. We all know about those 'executive acts' now ... don't we. Fully meant to bypass the constitution.



sgt_doom's picture

It's very tiresome to respond to the same tired and tedious questions, question which could easily be answered by self-informed people (assuming you are actually a person, not a chatbot nor a paid stooge at the USCoC or N.A.M. call center),.......

It was frigging broadcast nationally, over this past 9/11/11 Tenth Anniversary weekend, on NPR, during an audio show financed, oddly enough (but then who was paying attention other than myself and a few other thinking people types) by Booz Allen.

You have any idea the number of times one is requested for a link for every banal, public domain factoid out there?  Were you perhaps just born yester-effing-day?

I have previously posted this audio from that NPR broadcasted show over 1,000 times already, sonny.

Where's the evidence.....where's your vagina? ? ?

Can you actually find your own vagina ? ? ?

 For the very last, effing, frigging time, rube, here it is, because you are incapable of finding your very own vagina, sonny.




Larry Dallas's picture

9/11 was bullshit.

I think some of the smarter Americans and those returning home from the Iraqi / Mid East war have figured it out.

There is a PBS documentary that delineates the whole deal well. Don't remember the name, but it is well done.

It's a timeless tactic: "us vs them".

Go get 'em.

TheGardener's picture

New tower of babel is no news ,you are somewhat right.

Information overload , since they want all information,
they will get nothing in return, just the usual suspects
could be rounded up .But they will want and just claim evidence of any supposed wrongdoing each time you are targeted just because of want, not because of supposed science based methods or advanced data mining tea leave extraction.

Complete nonsense to scare you all off.
Not you though, ZH'ers, I suppose.

kita27's picture

Except for some, your all a bunch of parroting nutcases who have very little idea how economies work in reality. You all just parrot the same propaganda spread by the Mises backers instead of the propaganda of the incumbant Keynesian backers. How about some real intellectual study and critical thinking of your own before typing your stupidity for all the  world to see.

you can start by listening to a series of 34 lectures titled 'Money and Banking- What everyone needs to know' by Professor Micheal K salemi, TTC lectures. You can rip from the pirate bay.

Very few individual minds 'if any' can understand the way the modern economy functions, except on the most fundamental of levels. I welcome people at least trying to explain it, with new terms, and ideas, not the same shit, fiat is bad, its not real money, gold is money blah blah, blah.

Fiat is wealth, physical fiat has value by its scarcity alone, not including the military and legal power that props it up. To think that this is going to change anytime soon is ludicris wishful thinking. 

oh before you all junk me,    'Down with the Fed!',  'death to fiat monetary systems!' 'Buy physical!  'Inflation is bad', 'your government is run and controlled by evil bankers who are sociopaths and only care about their own personal empires', 'deficit spending is bankrupting the country',  'credit finance is evil', we are all debt slaves',  'Death to Goldman Sachs!'

How about a Zero Hedge WORDCLOUD?  Lets see the propaganda for what it is. 

Appart from this complaint i have, this is still a great site, with great information. Unfortunately it is being hijacked by mental cases who gorge themselves on anger and bad news.

nmewn's picture

Anthrax...I don't know why...I just like saying it ;-)

Sooo, "Professor" Krugman what brings you out slumming tonight?...credit card limit?...lol.

Bollixed's picture

"Fiat is wealth, physical fiat has value by its scarcity alone,"

In theory. But try using that line with a farmer once the shit hits the fan. See how much bacon your fiat buys when people are stealing the wheelbarrows right out from underneath it.

CoolBeans's picture

Appart from this complaint i have, this is still a great site, with great information. Unfortunately it is being hijacked by mental cases who gorge themselves on anger and bad news.

You mean trolls like you who can't spell, have no idea how to use commas and quotation marks, who stutters on the space bar and can't identify contractions properly?  How about folks that post worthless commentary that doesn't even follow the story posted for comment?

engineertheeconomy's picture

Getting a little high off the ink from your printing press ? ? ?

Amazing how you central banker types even bother to waste your time trolling when you could be figuring out new ways to torture americans and blow the limbs of innocent children

Gringo Viejo's picture

kita27: You've a child's mind in what I assume to be an adult body.

That anger and bad news is bringin' you down, huh babe?

You'd probably be better served reading USA Today.

Gringo Viejo's picture

YesWeKahn: You is really not getting it.

ZeroChance's picture

Keywords, bitches!!!

or .... capture, mine, analyze, act (hellfire?) ;-)

optimator's picture

So, make sure your spell correctly, wouldn't want them to miss a word. 

TheGardener's picture

hellfire being cool technology at the time, but relying on a friends/foo database that seems so much out of touch as the times have changed...

Good news they still think of themselves as invincible , as
they still try to figure out intercepting advancing tanks. (Thanks but no tanks crossing the sea)

Might as well fire into the sky knowing there are stealth
aircraft somewhere as did the Serbs, downing the evil invincible thing eventually.

ABG LINE's picture

FUCK YOU NSA.. Input that into your fucking database in Utah.

junkyardjack's picture

They did.  I love you NSA, please add that to my list

lemonobrien's picture

i got a BIG DICK and love to fuck hot chicks.... add to list please.

kita27's picture

Good for you!  A nice simple, easy to understand sentence that makes more sense than the rest of the shit im rteading here.

Dr. Sandi's picture

i got a BIG DICK and love to fuck hot chicks.... add to list please.

Chaz Napolitano, is that you?!

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture


i got a BIG DICK and love to fuck hot chicks.... add to list please.

Chaz Napolitano, is that you?!




LouisDega's picture

Is that you Johnny Wadd? Is this me? Private Joker gotz ta know.

NotApplicable's picture

The internet is patrolled by Romneybots, for your protection.

Dunno 'bout you, but I feel safer already.

beaker's picture

Oh boy, now you're going to get them mad at all of us.

krispkritter's picture

I think the entire board needs to quaff a 12 pack or 4 shots of straight scotch or a double of good red wine(aw hell, do all three) and then get back on this post and let Big Brother know how you really feel...this could get real interesting...(and we'll find out if NSA stands for 'Never Seen Again')

Ljoot's picture

I sopped up a 12-pack and 4 shots of Bushmills yesterday and had a dyspepsia attack today. I barf on you, nsa.


The Alarmist's picture

Not me ... they know where to go to get the good stuff. Let's party, guys!

Joebloinvestor's picture

Not a surprise.

Since "carnivor" the government has been able to spy openly and not so openly.

You want to give them fits (and probably end up with your door kicked down) include the words: ammonia nitrate, diesel fuel, nitro-methane (that one really raises flags!), and brotherhood in any email.

GoodMorningMr.VanRumpoy...'s picture

Carnivore is just one packet sniffer of many in the Gov't arsenal.


Full list of every spook agency and program watching you.


More Importantly scroll to bottom for how to "Mitigate" this for those who wish to surf an on omously

jarrollin's picture

Finally someone with a level headed take on Bernanke =====> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ANroM5VaM

Haddock's picture

We are already living in an Orwellian State: the vast majority have nothing of interest to be discovered about themselves, so why should we care?

junkyardjack's picture

NSA's tracking database is likely 85% porn

NotApplicable's picture

I can see it now. "Say there Mr. Anti-American, how about you behave lest everyone find out those bizarre fetishes of your's. Oh, and while your at it, you should really consider making a campaign contribution. No, I mean really consider it."

CoolBeans's picture

Yep, even if you didn't really visit the links.

The data...it can be manipulated and misused.

slewie the-pi-rat's picture

Haddock your words are those of a troll but in case your are just plain naive


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