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NSA Whistleblower Speaks Live: "The Government Is Lying To You"
Just a month ago we raised more than a proverbial eyebrow when we noted the creation of the NSA's Utah Data Center (codename Stellar Wind) and William Binney's formidable statement that "we are this far from a turnkey totalitarian state". Democracy Now has the former National Security Agency technical director whistleblower's first TV interview in which he discusses the NSA's massive power to spy on Americans and why the FBI raided his home. Since retiring from the NSA in 2001, he has warned that the NSA’s data-mining program has become so vast that it could "create an Orwellian state." Today marks the first time Binney has spoken on national TV about NSA surveillance. Starting with his pre-9-11 identification of the world-wide-web as a voluminous problem since the NSA was 'falling behind the rate-of-change', his success in creating a system (codenamed Thin-Thread) for 'grabbing' all the data and the critical 'lawful' anonymization of that data (according to mandate at the time) which as soon as 9-11 occurred went out of the window as all domestic and foreign communications was now stored (starting with AT&T's forking over their data). This direct violation of the constitutional rights of everybody in the country was why Binney decided he could not stay (leaving one month after 9-11) along with the violation of almost every privacy and intelligence act as near-bottomless databases store all forms of communication collected by the agency, including private emails, cell phone calls, Google searches and other personal data.
There was a time when Americans still cared about matters such as personal privacy. Luckily, they now have iGadgets to keep them distracted as they hand over their last pieces of individuality to the Tzar of conformity.
Part 1 - Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance
William Binney's shocking facts start at around 15:00...
Part 2 - Detained in the U.S.: Filmmaker Laura Poitras Held, Questioned Some 40 Times at U.S. Airports
The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Laura Poitras discusses how she has been repeatedly detained and questioned by federal agents whenever she enters the United States. Poitras said the interrogations began after she began working on her documentary, "My Country, My Country," about post-invasion Iraq. Her most recent film, "The Oath," was about Yemen and Guantánamo and follows the lives of two past associates of Osama bin Laden. She estimates she has been detained approximately 40 times and has had her laptop, cell phone and personal belongings repeatedly searched.
Part 3 - "We Don’t Live in a Free Country": Jacob Appelbaum on Being Target of Widespread Gov’t Surveillance
We speak with Jacob Appelbaum, a computer researcher who has faced a stream of interrogations and electronic surveillance since he volunteered with the whistleblowing website, WikiLeaks. He describes being detained more than a dozen times at the airport and interrogated by federal agents who asked about his political views and confiscated his cell phone and laptop. When asked why he cannot talk about what happened after he was questioned, Appelbaum says, "Because we don’t live in a free country. And if I did, I guess I could tell you about it." A federal judge ordered Twitter to hand over information about Appelbaum’s account. Meanwhile, he continues to work on the Tor Project, an anonymity network that ensures every person has the right to browse the internet without restriction and the right to speak freely.
Part 4 - Whistleblower: The NSA is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails
National Security Agency whistleblower
William Binney reveals he believes domestic surveillance has become more expansive under President Obama than President George W. Bush. He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion "transactions" — phone calls, emails and other forms of data — from Americans. This likely includes copies of almost all of the emails sent and received from most people living in the United States. Binney talks about Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act and challenges NSA Director Keith Alexander’s assertion that the NSA is not intercepting information about U.S. Citizens.
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PGP rocks, and every adult should be using it.
Nonetheless, they know who talks to whom, how often, how many bits are exchanged, and so on.
You can beat that, but it takes effort and/or you must pay.
Brute force will eventually work. Problem is, the encryption key could be 1000 characters long. That might take at least centuries to hit the key, perhaps millenia.
So, it comes down to money. How much is an entity (probably a country) willing to spend to build a fast enough machine(s) to brute force atttack with, and get that down to a reasonable timeframe before the information is obsolete? It might take a lot.
There are secure communication protocols that work. As the above poster wrote, "It takes effort and/or money.
No, the number are ridiculous. Brute-force decryption of just one day's worth of internet traffic would use enough CPU time to consume all the remaining energy output of the sun.
The mere act of sending encrypted data flags you as one who has something to hide, and in most cases the crack of your code will be a piece of cake, and when they prosecute ... and they will ... the fact that you encrypted will give them probable cause to indict, and the fact that you encrypted will probably be used for at least one count of wire fraud. Since the average user will obtain their encryption software from vendors like Symantec, you can be assured that cracking the vast majority of encrypted data will not be very taxing, so it will not overwhelm TPTB.
Good point. Remaining invisible is the best defence.
So instead Anonymous should encourage EVERYONE to encrypt their emails, instead of asking the Facebook users to paint their avatar green as a first stage to counter the war on drugs.
The mere act of sending encrypted data flags you as one who has something to hide
We call that FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, and it is false.
All the big corps use encrypted connections every day. There are millions of them.
LPI ... Low Probability of Intercept ... is your best friend, pal.
Yep, the big corps all use encryption, but the keys to that have already been given to TPTB.
It's when lone-wolf wing nuts like those of us on ZH start encrypting things in otherwise relatively public circuits that ears perk up.
I think you're correct. The only depressing part is they have a seemingly endless supply of 'taxpayer's dollars' to continue this farce, ad infinitum. OK, close. Should the Failat, er, fiat, crumble, it becomes much harder to do. But it's not like they won't spend your last damn dollar attempting it. I think just the intention of trying it speaks volumes about where we as a country are headed.
Utopian scheme dreamed up by conformist weiners.
"If we can just monitor EVERYTHING we'll be seure!"
No, you won't.
Besides, what is the point of being "secure" yet surrendering your liberty, rights, and money?
"If we can just monitor EVERYTHING we'll be seure!"
Fully agreed that this is BS, but it isn't about security, it's about intimidation and control.
The delicious irony is that as they gather more data, they appear to be growing even more insecure. That'll always bring a smile to my face as I continue to resist in the Gulag.
Perhaps they're finding that the sheeple aren't that sheepish.
Fucking cocksuckers...and you can quote me on that NSA.
NSA=No Secrets Anymore
or
Numbers of Serious Assholes
He made me say it! He made me!....
Everything I say is a lie and thats the truth ;-)
Hey hey hey, nothing wrong with cocksuckers. ;-)
These voyeurs are more like peeping tom perverts standing outside your window masturbating.
Why do I feel like I've just been violated?...lol.
Good points all...a toast of Ron Zacapa Centenario on the rocks to you ;-)
Oh God that makes me miss Costa Rica. First time I came back from there I had close to a dozen bottles of rum and liquor in a duffle bag( I think the 'limit' was 5). I walked through Customs and the bag CLANKED with every step because some bottles(which were duct taped in freezer bags and towels) came 'unglued'. The Customs guy waived me through and I swear he was smiling. The CR family behind me probably got cavity searched because they never made it to the concourse. I was in heaven for 6 months....(PS. stick that in your Supercomputer and anal-yze it ya pricks)...next time I need a 40' shipping container for luggage...
lol...sounds like you got through on the right guy...dis stuff is smooove. Never been to CR but I'm lookin in that direction. Thinkin about Panama when I retire, they're not all freaked out about personal arms as much as the others.
Oh crap, I forgot to say bio-weapon as first words to troll the NSA ;-)
Look up www.spiritair.com and Quepos(http://www.condotel-lascascadas.com/) The location is awesome, hosts are great, and the CR experience is still exquisite...I think this vid says it all about the last CR trip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxSj_R_Z16U&feature=related
Chica boom chica boom...dontcha just love it ;-)
You said it, Daddy Dewdrop!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPStw1SzcQc
Lol, I am not sticking up for the NSA serf's but I bet they are laughing there asses off right now. If you are NSA serf's, shut the fuck up!! This is our party lol.
Like a good little slave, I actually declared one litre of Kahlua as I drove back from Mexico, and the mother f*ckers took my car apart looking for drugs.
Ah, now I know where the gooey stuff leaking from the spare usb port is coming from.
NSA pricks.
Hey, at least kiss me if yer gonna fuck me!
Are you speaking from experience ?
I only comment on things I know. I leave things like Tier 1 capital requirements to TD. :-)
lol!
You are a hoot! Tier 1 capital? Visit this site! http://www.newyorkfed.org/index.html
If you need a short cut, just let me know. I'm watching South Park reruns<>
topical e-mail from dumpster
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that will gum up some of the clatter
The govt lies and spies and is a Stasi Orwellian nightmare? Well frankly, I'm SHOCKED!
Yes, "Gambling at Rick's? I'm Shocked! Shocked, I say!"
FUCK YOU NSA, YOU COCK SUCKING MOTHERFUCKER WITH BLOODY LOOSE FLIP FLAPS FROM TOO FUCKING MUCH HARDCORE PENETRATION VIA SATANIC ILLUMINATI BONER MEMBERS AT THE HELL HOLE ORGY THAT IS THE BOHEMIAN GROVE!!! Have your servers suck on that!
The biggest problem with organizations like the NSA is redundancy. Information is only as good as it's source, and has a very short half life. Bottomless " MINORITY REPORTS" are useless!
We've seen this movie before: the death-throes of that other Cold War empire, the USSR.
Obama ran as America's Gorbachev, but has delivered nothing but Yeltsin.
Fuck the NSA.
Come get me you spineless fucks.
clip from The Last War Crime (movie)
http://www.peaceteam.net/player2.swf?&netstreambasepath=http://www.peace...
I've got all the time in the world to waste, and all the digital diarrhea those ass chuggers can swallow.
Fuck Congress Inc that made the [anything but] "Patriot" Bullshit.
COME GET ME FUCKERS!
now we'll turn it up a notch
man I had to take that video down (CIA?? water boarding video) way too disturbing
but if you still want to see it, it's at this link
i missed the water-boarding?
He's a persistent little troll ain't he?...and we missed his one week birthday to boot.
No wonder he's mad ;-)
It's more fun to give than to get.
Let's overload their asses. Email everyone about anything all the time. Choke them. I don't care how big their "hard drive" is, if enough people just engage in endless, meaningless emailing, we can fill it with trash and eat popcorn while they sift thru it all. Use words like "bomb" and "death to America" a lot and in no particular context...just load the dam thing to the gills with worthless crap.
pops
Hello fellow NSA fucksticks. If you're so cutting edge in the information collection services, tell us where the MF GLOBAL money went.
I have to replace my keypad. I just barfed up [ Jon Corzines' remains]! You made my day!
Agreed!! NSA fuckstick's could help bummer team to fake a better birth cert also. Atleast let his attorney's have some meat in there defense.
Log this NSA..
Jon Corzine Still Bundling for Obama
Corzine, according to the Obama campaign, has once again helped raise more than $500,000.
(He was likewise named a bundler in January, when the Obama campaign last released the names of their money men.)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jon-corzine-still-bundling-obama_640493.html
Listen up NSA, log this one as well.
Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate,Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/
To help fund the site in Utah. That's why Corzine will take Timmay's place if BO gets re-elected.
Into the owners of the countrys pockets silly.
"The government is lying to you"
So many lies so little time.. to list them all here. Where do we begin?
I'm contemplating to join the Amish. Love the decency, honesty and simple & traditional lifestyle. Half way there anyway but still riding a tractor on Diesel.
FYI. Buy Silver. Every chance you get. Every opportunity that presents itself to give a present. Forget toys, spa vouchers, gift cards.
Just don't drink unpasturized milk. They're already beating on the Amish for that.
I've noticed that it is harder to find information on the internet from the search engines. Used to be, you could put in whole sentences and the search would return tons of related information. Now, you have to put in "key" words and even then you still may not get anything back.
There is a lot of pretenses of caring about liberty and free internet by Goggle and the likes, but they are obviously involved in the on-coming authoritarian state. Oracle owner is too, and I think you can read about his traitorous behavior at wikipedia (unless its gone). MySQL is now under his thumb also.
It's time to leave the U.S. If you don't have money just get a one-way ticket someplace and hope that someone will help you.
The "Supreme" court just said its ok to strip search any American anytime for any reason. There's been a few people saying they have had to "spread their cheeks". It will not be long when they start using probes on woman's vagina and man's asshole, while someone watches from a computer camera.
If that is the world you want to live in then go for it. I'll be a "one-way" ticket type of person leaving the US. We can only hope there will be free people outside the U.S. that will help us.
Google IS the NSA.
Yes. Remember the origin of the internet. DARPA funded ARPANET. It was theirs, it is theirs and will always be theirs.
You mean Al (I invented the internet) Gore? sarc/off
"Excuse me sir, i just need to check your asshole."
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Its a good life living in the US...a really good life.
My man...
What is the govt NOT lying about? Or at least only showing half of the truth.
Today I heard the US government is going to begin flying drones over the US. What for? Tell me again what are we fighting in Afghanistan/Pakistan for if it isn't for democracy and freedom. Why and who is putting this military police state in place in the US. Are we Pakistan? Are we the people now a threat to our own government?
All I can say is give me liberty or give me death. Without privacy there is no liberty and without liberty there is no privacy. This government is out of control and you have to be blind not to see the change. It is going to take a lot of courage to stand up to the evil that is now in control of this government.
There's a Drone Caucus now too. I can't remember the two guys who head it but one is a Democrat from Texas (originally from Mexico) and the other was a Republican. They started it to inform the public on Drones, although they are not informing the negatives but are showing how they are needed. In other words, it is another tax payer funded propaganda unit.
+10,000
Today I heard the US government is going to begin flying drones over the US. What for?
Because they can.
That's all the reason a sociopathic control freek needs.
I think Tyler did the same thing as me this morning when this link was posted in the comments on another article, jaw droppage, absolutely mind blowing.
Glad you rolled with it Tyler and made it into a ZH worthy article +1, props to the ZHer DaveyJones for dropping the original link.
P.S. See you all later at Lou's
I don't even read half of my mails :)
Good to know somebody does.
I really don't give a fuck.
bomb terrorist fertilizer revolution obama bush cheney gun shoot jihad shoot kill blow up destroy New York LA White House ....
So now that you nsa fuckers have found the article, and my post, I urge you to do your duty and quit. If you dont someone like me will be fire bombing your house with your family inside in the very near future. I assume you swore an oath to the Constitution, fail to keep that oath at your own very steep peril.
bomb terrorist fertilizer revolution obama bush cheney gun shoot jihad shoot kill blow up destroy New York LA White House ....
Fucking awesome.
He forgot freedom and constitution.
Um, 'He forgot Secret Service and Prostitution.' What really gives me the jeebeegeebees is that every refresh of this page gives me a full-on pick of M'Obama with the text 'Join Michelle and Tell Barack You're In'. That's f'in scary...
He forgot 'gold'
don't forget OCCUPY
Stellar Wind Jon Corzine gyrotron semtex Emile Autouri signals intelligence Fort Meade thermobaric Hedy Lamarr terror bomb anthrax Guantanamo shopping mall polonium Charles Nelson Reilly claymore mine Dirty Sanchez grenade launcher lutefisk IED assassinate Studebaker Hoch hijack Al Qaida Joyce DeWitt ricin SMERSH electromagnetic pulse Wink Martindale Hezbollah Federal Reserve CIA border Mossad Lady Gaga detonator Lemmiwinks Santorum calutron June Foray plutonium Juarez Bank for International Settlements Cayman Islands MANPADS nuclear trigger Cleveland Steamer crop duster Howard Cosell Forex Myrna Loy Fx Trading borax LMAX parrot and parakeet training tape International Monetary Fund carbuncle RPG clostridium Olde Frothingslosh ebola Joey Heatherton Dimona smuggle roachclip Butthole Surfers bongwater National Reconnaissance Office Don Rickles Backstreet Boys jimsonweed Edward G. Robinson steganography Lily Langtry Captain Beefheart 27B-6 Lee van Cleef kaopectate
Oops, pardon me.
What Constititution?
Actually, this means they are quite scared of The People.
Remember, even the most advanced 'security state' can be overwhelmed by numbers...
You are the Resistance.
How many also remember the 'Bonus Army' at the Capitol? ... 43,000 veterans and their families were attacked by Generals MacArthur, Patton and Eisenhower on President Hoover's orders, using 6 battle tanks and a cavalry regiment with bayonets affixed, on July 28, 1932.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army#U.S._Army_intervention
Don't count on the army to support the people....
They prey on your fear
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/04/495191.html
Rockefeller's version of the events - June 10, 1914
"There was no Ludlow massacre. The engagement started as a desperate fight for life by two small squads of militia against the entire tent colony … There were no women or children shot by the authorities of the State or representatives of the operators … While this loss of life is profoundly to be regretted, it is unjust in the extreme to lay it at the door of the defenders of law and property, who were in no slightest way responsible for it."
Well, I have a problem. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from "Democracy Now", Fox news, CNN, MSNBC, or any main stream media that proclames it seeks the truth. I simply cannot believe anybody anymore. What a jungle of lies we are all in. It'll all come out as soon as everything goes boom.
There were still 3 things I took away from that 'limited hangout' propaganda piece:
1. Soros and his cabal (he funds "Democracy Now") wants us to be afraid ... ie. and shut up.
2. They trumped up charges and evidence against Binney ... ie. the data they collect is irrelevant.
3. That General Alexander was lying through his teeth to Congress ... watch his body language! ... so, no amount of government "oversight" will change anything.
Conclusions: It's up to us to speak up, to not be afraid of the surveillance, and to rely only on local resistance to defeat them.
Exactly how far out there on the wingnuts do you have to be to think democracy now is mainstream?
The U.S.S.A. will find this guy, not fit to standtrial wth a sanity board and proromptly sent air goldman america to transport him to the gulag (gitmo) to be water boarding by Dr. Drew Pinsky for beiny a terrorist: all correct as already noted
Is it allowed to say that Jon Corzine is still raising funds for Obama?
He already raised 1.6 bil for him. How much more does he need?
:)
On a second thought, what is the probability that part of that money making it to Obama's super pac?
That would be quite an interesting "follow the money" trail for a journalist.
I was just about to point that out.
As an aside...if SCOTUS decides for the individual mandate, I'm preparing the outlines of a bill to forward on to my congresscritter to force everyone WITHOUT a firearm to buy one....afterall, at some point in a persons life they will need personal protection immediately and can't afford to wait.
Should be great fun ;-)
I saw it at Drudge.
You sarcasm is quite poisonous. I don't see them deciding for the individual mandate, since they will end up being quite laughable in people's eyes, unless....americans have already decided to be enslaved to the state. We'll find out in Nov.
+1
"Your sarcasm is quite poisonous."
Well yes, but only to the unthinking, as you so ably point out. Which was my point exactly.
In a land where precedent means so much in the interpretation of the meaning of a law (by the judiciary) there can be unintended consequences further down the line. In honesty, I owe Ghordius for an off hand exchange for rattling this loose inside my brain...English common law vs Romanesque practiced elsewhere.
We've had "precedent setting law "overturned before here and this may well be one of those times.
I got to thinking about the premise of Wickard v Filburn and how that case was judged...and how the "precedent" that came out of it had been exploited, in my view. The law itself was an intrusion on market forces by government (by anyones standards) to drive up the price of wheat as an emergency measure to fight deflation. Once deflation subsided (why deflation subsided is irrelevent, this is a point of law)...the law remained in force.
Enter Mr Filburn, who grew more wheat than was allowed by the government for his own use. No "interstate commerce" was injured by his growing of wheat because none of it ever left his farm.
Yet, this is the tenuous claim of Congress to do whatever it pleases under the commerce clause.
Sometimes hubris engulfs itself like a snake swallowing its tail...the individual mandate should be smacked down in ObamaCare with prejudice and new precedent set in what Congress cannot do...essentially killing off Wickard v Filburn as an abberation just like Dred Scott v Sanford.
I read your post 3 times and checked the scotus judgements for those two cases. Very interesting.
However, there is one concept that threads your thoughts, the concept of an Independent Functioning Law System. I am not sure about it, and I think the best I can do CURRENTLY is ASSUME the Legal System is independent, but in no way accept that it is for a fact.
USA constitution gives to the institution of the president dictatorial powers in case of national emergency. I think the current president has interpreted the current situation as a national emergency and is ruling by Executive Orders.....until challenged by Congress. No challenges yet...by Congress.
"However, there is one concept that threads your thoughts, the concept of an Independent Functioning Law System. I am not sure about it..."
To be honest, neither am I at times. But so far, in spite of the politicizing of it...its the last branch of government still functioning as intended.
Constitutionally, this government was set up with equal branches of government (Executive, Legislative & Judicial) whereby (the thought was) one branch cannot tread on anothers "turf". It must be pointed out the NDAA passed from Congress and the President signed it so Congress is just as much at fault for that intolerable peice of tripe as Obama. As far as Obama (the Executive) deciding when Congress (Legislative) is or is not in session to make his recess appointments that was Executive over reach that went unchallenged.
I would suspect both actions (the portion of NDAA detaining citizens without habeas corpus & recess appointments when Congress is not in recess) would be overturned on judicial review.
As far as him declaring some sort of state of emergency, my feeling is he would be laughed at in most parts of the country. The people are decidedly anti-Washington these days and are pretty fed up.
Its rather like watching a spoiled child sometimes...look, I'm running with scissors!!! The adult reaction now is, I hope you trip, it'll teach you a lesson ;-)
At least one US city already does that: http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/
You did some good homework EKM.
Thx a lot.
Two main sources of Real News and Analysis for me are Zerohedge and Drudge.
Coonan Classic 357 Magnum (1911-style semi-auto):
http://www.coonaninc.com/index.php/cPath,5
Aren't you sick to death of all the 3-letter agencies? CIA, NSA, DEA, FBI. And all the clever little abbreviations that spell a word like "Viper" the latest Frankenstein monster idea to bring the DHS and TSA (2 more 3 letter abominations) to an interstate highway near you.
We should pass legislation banning all these "3-letter agencies" along with naming shit exactly the opposite of the intention ("Patriot" act, "Peacekeeper" missile). Name it what it really does, i.e. "Murder millions" missile, "Anti-Constitutional rights" act. Rename the NSA "You have no privacy" agency.
Then let's see who votes to fund this crap. This nation needs to take a good dump, IMHO!
ding ding
Ron Paul 2012!
Rename the NSA "You have no privacy" agency.
How about "Using your money to trash the 4th amendment R us"
MiniTruth, MiniPlenty, MiniPeace, my boy.
Since 2001, Bush & Bambam have been treating Nineteeneightyfour not as a dystopian warning, but as a playbook to follow.
The telescreen is behind the mirror.
Write to the FTC and complain about the violation of the TIA laws.
I'll go ahead and recommend 2 books here. James Bamford's Body of Secrets and The Puzzle Palace, both of which dig into the secrets of the NSA. Great books with some interesting information.
they are just looking for more tranny porn
WOW! That one caught me off ( secret service) guard!
I thought Writs of Assistance were bad? Wasn't there a war fought a couple hundred years ago or something to prove it?
Anyway, with enough information (and an empire) you can accurately forecast and shape many of the courses of human events and in real time. The information exists and because it is knowable, it will be.
Whether utopian social engineer or malignant parasite, the choices are:
1. Make all of the information free and public
2. Lie.
Our benficent lords offer us the illusion of privacy instead of the end of secrets. Priase be to Them and to their worthy secret patriots and to the assorted minions thereof. Verily.
Hi Bob. Long time, no spy.
Hey NSA employees!
You do not have to follow unlawful orders.
If you are asked to violate the Constitution of the United States, your duty is clear.
RESIST
How about making a program within the NSA that stealthily erases all the illegal spy data after a few years with no fingerprints?
Just a suggestion. Should be pretty easy for talented, patriotic professionals such as yourselves.
Have a Nice Day..... and Consider Your Consciences.
It's on.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/newspaper-probing-pentagon-alleges-online-harassment-170708918.html
do you honestly need a "whistleblower" to tell you that gov is lying to you??!!
just turn on the tv, and tune to cbs/abc/fox/cnn, and you will get ALL the lies you need.
How come we've got these Secret Service Johns losing jobs one after another, and here we are four years later, yet not one fucking bankster has gone to jail? Instead they've been bonused, promoted and even given government positions e.g. Geithner?
So the solution is to flood the internet with porn... hmm... EVEN MORE.
The word surveillance is the French word for "watching over".
This can't be good for business. Likely will slow everything to a crawl. Might even be the purpose of it. No green shoots. No recovery.
ET no phone home.
The pump don't work because the vandal stole the handle. (Dylan)
Acts of God at the mercy of men.
Tear it all down. Build it back again.
All of us ZHers will likely end up in the same FEMA camp.
See you there!
I will not comply. Hear that NSA?!
NSA Workers: You need to reject unlawful orders from your superiors.
I will be dead before I end up in a Fema Camp. I'd rather be disemboweled while conscious.
True that. Armed up and I'll be ready for full-blown non-compliance :)
I'll go Ted Nugent! Cat Scratch Fever!
The Official List – Using these words online will put you in the crosshairs of Big Brother’s multi-billion dollar spy machine
http://www.scribd.com/doc/82701103/Analyst-Desktop-Binder-REDACTED
We don’t care if you hear these words used on MSM [radio or TV]. If any of you fucking muppets use any of the following terms on the internet, our mall cop crew will be knocking on your door.
Recovery Act Speech: It’s the lemming responsibility to look, listen and report any suspicious action against the STATE. These individuals must be profiled by the NSA/DHS to ensure the safety of all Americans citizens.
/Sarc
Domestic Security
Recovery<<<<-------------------------- Above link example
Continue to Desktop binder link to see entire list.
I've been checking out this search engine lately and the results aren't bad especially for information type of queries:
http://duckduckgo.com/
Of course the index is probably smaller than Google's and not quite as fresh - but they don't track you.
Nice results for "zerohedge":
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=zerohedge
I also give a thumbs up to duckduckgo.com . Good general searches. Weak in technical areas.
Doesn't seem as interested in keeping an eye on me as others. May just be because it's more subtle.
I'm using Startpage: https://startpage.com/uk/download-startpage-plugin.html
It's a proxy inbetween the user and google.
Freedom is just a word. Privacy is freedom. Can't have one without the other.
Time to return to the typewriter?
I.F. Stone (http://www.ifstone.org/macpherson.php) made it pretty clear a LONG time ago- ALL GOVERNMENTS LIE. That anyone could debate this or find it earthshaking is, well...
For the umteenth time Tyler and Sacrilege! Secure the site! Freeloading Chinamen spammers are getting OLD!
The United States is a murderous fascist totalitarian police state. You are not free. Nor have you ever been free. This has nothing to do with party politics or which puppet is occupying the white house at the moment.
Democracy is illusory, an opiate for the masses to consume. The opinion of the peasant classes on matters of economic and foreign poicy is wholly disregarded by the ruling class. But feel free to argue amongst yourselves over who can have sex with whom and how the pregnancies that result for some of that sex should be handled. That is the extent of your voice in America, bickering on a national scale over petty personal issues.
The rabbit hole goes far deeper than most of you can even comprehend, and it'll be better for you if you don't go poking around too much. As a peasant your opinion is irrelevant. Therefore, ignorance is preferable to knowledge. You'll be happier in your ignorance.
Take the blue pill if it's not too late for you.
And then what?
And then ACT - start building better things.
At least its not greece......
This is what happens to people without arms when the police arrive.
http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1393774
Stop using the term "fascist" when you don't know what that term actually means. A "fascist" state is the goal and much of the reason why, we are experiencing the problems that we are. What is sought is to replace the existing "management" with new "management" in a "worker's paradise". To accomplish this goal it is necessary to collapse the existing structure, which is rife with corruption and makes your job easier. You can then usher in your "new" system which will replace "failed" capitalism and "free markets" with the "new" and better system and transfer leadership and control to other people. None of them will have earned or have a right to it either.
It's like hoisting the Union Jack or Old Glory over the Soviet Union or rather, keeping them aloft while driving a new country in underneath them.
I know. It can't happen here. I never saw anything about it on the "the news". Well duh, I guess not and "WHY" would that be?
"Workers paradise." You've confused fascism with communism, retard. Probably a 20 something product of the American education system. "Workers paradise?" Hardly, the merger of state and corporate power is an alliance against the working classes to the benefit of the oligarchy and plutocracy.
My definition of fascism is, "the merger of state and corporate power." There is ample evidence that using that definition the United States is indeed a fascist nation.
1. "too big to fail", blank check bailouts
2. various industries are "national security issues"
3. the direct support of various industries using "military" signals intelligence (except these days "military" signals intelligence is used for everything from help TBTF corporations to domestic law enforcement)
4. the joined-at-the-hip relationship between various 3 letter agencies and companies like Google and Facebook
etc.
The Huffington Post is really desperate! Sending TROLLS to Z/H!.
Once again Tyler ! Captcha or Algebra?
I honestly don't know:
I have been watching a weekly documentary about this surveillance system, and its data mining ability, and I can assure you it is all done with the sole intent of heading off potential crime (so long as that potential crime is within 50 or so miles of NYC).
It's called "Person of Interest", and I know it helps me sleep at night.
While you've been watching the weekly documentary, I've been watching YOU on the surveillance system. Thank god anybody with good net access can use this thing.
Although I can't yet say that you're a "Person of Interest", I sleep better knowing that you have that little mole right on your.....
I don't think the NS-A is doing a very good job.
Hmm. Must be a federal agency.
its only data
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at least your still alive
i suppose this would be scarier if i knew why ibm was so important to the nazis.
Dog bites Man/"The Government is Lying to You" are NOT newsworthy topics.
Man bites Dog/"The Government is NOT Lying to You" ARE newsworthy topics
I think NSA is for example interested in those who use multiple prepaid phone numbers, using voice recognition and cross referencing continuosly. The certain patterns of communication behavior are more interesting for them than the actual content of messages. No terrorist is going to annouce over phone, "Yeah, let's bomb White House tomorrow" but they do swap phone numbers quite often, meet other person of interests and suspects and travel a lot to places that are interesting for these agencies.
Ironically, if you constantly swap your phone number or buy a lot of guns, you will become a person of interest for them. If you want to fight them, you have to attack the patterns they use for recognition of potential persons of interests. Either by flooding them with useless fake accounts or avoiding those patterns. I'd bet they would be overwhelmed if even 100 000 persons start flooding with interesting communication patterns all over the country.
Thank god the NSA now has a copy of this comment.
kuddos, to Zh for posting this, very impt, I passed in onward to many.
Somewhere in the 402 responses thus far, I assume there are references to the difference between CLASSIFIED and UNCLASSIFIED information. There might be a reference or two to SECURITY CLEARANCES. It will be recalled as well that for as much of a threat to "National Security" (totalitarianism) as WIKILEAKS was said to be, it only revealed unclassified, or low classified information at best. No TOP SECRET data was included in any Wiki release, ever.
So it is here. All that is being disclosed is unclassified info.
That means the real story IS NOT that which is being revealed, but rather, that which can be deduced from what has been revealed, in the context of the certainty that the real totalitarian concern is simply that of zealously guarding STATE SECRETS by any means necessary. As the info has come to light, it is no threat to TPTB, except to the extent the release of info enables us to think through the implications of that which has been divulged.
That the NSA capacity to mine every last utterance, by any and all modes of human discourse by all people on earth, is not the real secret, let alone anything close to the most alarming detail. What is alarming is the USE to which the collected data are being put. And, being put to use the data are! That is the issue of concern and the secret that remains guarded.
The US is a controlled and predictable social organism. You, yes you, me and everyone else alive cannot, will not and shall not pry into the SECRETS of the entities and of the structures that control us (period)
Small wonder, then, that there are unlimited $trillions available to cover bank fraud on one hand, unlimited $billions for warring (on that same hand); and nothing left for unemployed and underemployed (i.e. the majority) of people on the other. And, to boot, the first thought that YOU and I are mandated to think here is that "if you are poor, it's your own damn fault,"
That thought might be your own; but if it is, you wouldn't know it. This is one example of the potential use of the data. There are others. The uses must be deduced because that info hasn't been leaked and is unlikely to be obtained absent a concerted effort by talented and dedicated citizens who value what it is to be human and who do not wish themselves or their progeny to be lobotomized.
Here's a (non-exhaustive) list of clues as to what is hidden behind the NSA disclosures:
1-the control of the impulse to buy and consume;
2-the control of likes and dislikes
3- the ability to manipulate human thought and feeling
[additions welcomed]
Blessings (we need them)
Post O' the Week!
"Small wonder, then, that there are unlimited $trillions available to cover bank fraud on one hand, unlimited $billions for warring (on that same hand); and nothing left for unemployed and underemployed (i.e. the majority) of people on the other. And, to boot, the first thought that YOU and I are mandated to think here is that "if you are poor, it's your own damn fault,""
Fascism. The merger of state and corporate power against the interests of the majority of the people (peasant classes).
As for the rest, you're a little off base. NSA collects signals intelligence. That's what they do. They have many customers both in the U.S. and the rest of the Anglosphere and to a lesser extent NATO. The CIA are the propaganda/psyops experts, along with overseas assassinations and human intelligence gathering. DHS is the domestic spy agency with some law enforcement authority. The FBI is the domestic enforcers against individuals and "criminal" organizations. The military are the overseas enforcers against nation states and large terrorist organizations.
They all use NSA's surveillance apparatus, just for different purposes. Why would they build identical systems when a unique signal can only be collected once? Better to collect everything using one agency and disseminate it to others as needed. This was a big part of the push for inter-agency sharing of information after 9/11.
And as for what qualifies as "top secret", you'd be disappointed. It's not what you think. Everything in Wikileaks would be top secret if you added where it came from or how it was gathered. Sources and Methods, those are what make something top secret vs. secret.
So, information that Stan Jones is planning to do something bad tomorrow is secret. That same information + the fact that you got it from his brother Mike Jones, or via a wiretap, is top secret. Etcetera.
And it's no secret at all that the U.S. peasant classes are "consumers", expected to spend their money on consumption based economic activity. That would be the most open secret in the history of the world, if it were secret at all. The president himself went on national TV and told people to shop and go to Disney World after 9/11. That was the real threat to America, that it would frigthen the sheeple into not spending all of their money all the time. All of the economic models of the central bankers rely on certain spending levels. Luckily we are back to normal now. The sheeple save less than 3% of their monthly income and carry massive debts.
Remember: In a world of armless men the one armed man is a wanker.
Wake up people ... grow some arms!
That there are "only" 60miion "private sector" jobs is both an assumption riddled statement and an incomplete, misleading one.
First, there is no particular valor to working for a private entity. Especial if it's a large corporation. In corporate America, even if the job is a "good" one, it does nothing but breed insecurity because the norm is to be afraid of something -- e.g. Offending a boss, not being hardworking enough, of being fired, etc.
Plus, most corporate offices are functionally equivalent to minimum security prisons. Your computer is monitored, as is your company iPhone. Your ID card that must be used to open every door you pass through tracks your whereabouts. Your dependency on the paycheck means you will never, ever say anything bad about the service or product your company flogs, no matter how useless, dangerous, cancer causing or otherwise vile that service or that product may be.
Secondly, the private sector considers your paycheck an expense that, on any given day, that sector would like to outsource, eliminate or otherwise cutback on.
It is folly, indeed, to laud private sector jobs without taking into consideration what goes on there.
The NSA almost certainly shares data with corporate America. We know for sure that sector helps collect it.
Sheesh
That's really just a reflection of modern Anglo culture. Privacy has no value at all, and we have "no expectation of privacy" just about anywhere in our lives. "Nothing to hide? Nothing to fear." We all feel so safe under the watchful eye of Big Brother. So while European nations have laws preventing employers from even reading employee email on employee systems, the U.S. has employers demanding the passwords to Facebook accounts so they can see if they can find any nude photos of the hot 20 year old intern they just hired.
Secondly, of course the NSA shares information with corporate America. The U.S. is a fascist nation where the merger of state and corporate power is complete. They only share it with huge corporations though, and with personnel that have gone through the government security clearance process. That's right, many big American companies have people with high level clearances working DIRECTLY for them. They aren't employees of the government, but of big corporations, but they have access to all kinds of classified information.
So the TBTF guys have the full financial, intelligence, and military backing of the U.S. government. While small and medium businesses must fight tooth and nail for scraps and try to avoid being crushed by regulations lobbied for by the TBTF companies.
And in a fascist nation such as the United States the quickest route to power and wealth goes through the state. Generally by doing things that other people find morally repugnant. So the 23 year old's working at NSA making $150K a year while they spy on Americans, yea, they took the quick route. The CIA torturers and assassins? Yea, they'll be well taken care of when they decide to come back to the U.S. Anyone working in the "private sector" is a fool. Less pay for more work and no job security. I tell every young person that asks me for advice that they should try to get into the government sector. Low stress, high pay, easy jobs, good vacation time, 100% job security, and a pension at the end of the rainbow.
The truth is, there is no private sector in the United States anymore. There is the government and the TBTF corporations + the peasants that serve them.
Good points, here and above, but I think you're off-base to worry about the "Anglo" part.
Privacy was an invention of the elite. It didn't exist for most of our history. Sense of privacy in, say, China, is very different than the sense of privacy in the Anglosphere, and the Chinese didn't have the same history of being privileged enough to enjoy it for a few hundred years.
We're far more alike than different, and the vestiges of "protected" privacy in Europe are a result of governments somewhat more accountable to the citizenry. But the citizens don't have a good understanding of the technical details--if they did, they'd probably try a different approach to protecting "privacy."
You have to be really on top of the technical constraints to come up with something that'll actually work. Laws are not going to be effective in the long-term. The chains of logic that make "law" work are functionally indistinguishable from the chains of logic that make "computing" work, and the coders will always be able to outrun the lawyers.
Ranger4564
Thank you
While most Americans are overwhelmingly sitting back and accepting the "necessity" of massive budget cuts and mass layoffs that will inevitably make the economic crisis in the United States a lot worse that it is in now, the rest of the world revolt against the Elites and cry for social and true economic justice .
The Why of Why America don't revolt gainst it's Corporate Elite Masters !http://www.secretnews-compact.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1205:the-why-of-why-america-dont-revolt-gainst-its-corporate-elite-masters-&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50
NSA finds new way to create jobs in an economy totally destroyed by its own militaristic obsessions. Your tax $$$$ being recycled to the wealthiest counties in the nation, all around the DofC...(ref:Max keiser.rt) BIG BROTHER as the 'engine' of growth...
Can I get a song and a dance from Mr. Bo Jangels Obama?
"And as for what qualifies as "top secret", you'd be disappointed. It's not what you think. Everything in Wikileaks would be top secret if you added where it came from or how it was gathered. Sources and Methods, those are what make something top secret vs. secret."
The above quote understates the nature of TOP SECRET information. Names are routinely redacted from every classification of info. That tactic and that circumstance is not a major factor in either SECRET or in any (of the many) levels comprising TOP SECRET info.
Two other factors to consider:
1-COVER STORIES and PSYOPS
This factor in its various facets involves spreading deliberately false info for one purpose or another.
2-COMPARTMENTED INFO
This may be the single most lethal aspect of top secrecy. This is the mechanism by which whole armies can be put to work using high tech weaponry, as one example, where none but less than a handful of people will know what's going on.
A case in point, presented solely in its factual aspect, with no claims made:
On 9/11/01, military exercises were taking place that had, as their objective, the simulation of hijacking of aircraft and crashing them into buildings. The exercises were cloaked in COMPARTMENTED secret info based on the acknowledgment that the 2-star general in charge of the exercises, Larry Arnold, didn't know all that was to take place. And, obviously, neither did the FAA/NORAD personnel who asked/answered that iconic ditty know the full details either. The ditty: "is this exercise or is this real world".
The answer "real world" could just as easily be a part of a compartmented operation as any other data point.
More could be said here, but I did say only factual info would be given here.
Understatement of the nature, extent, let alone danger of secrecy is not a helpful contribution.