NSA Whistleblower Speaks Live: "The Government Is Lying To You"

Tyler Durden's picture

Just a month ago we raised more than a proverbial eyebrow when we noted the creation of the NSA's Utah Data Center (codename Stellar Wind) and William Binney's formidable statement that "we are this far from a turnkey totalitarian state". Democracy Now has the former National Security Agency technical director whistleblower's first TV interview in which he discusses the NSA's massive power to spy on Americans and why the FBI raided his home. Since retiring from the NSA in 2001, he has warned that the NSA’s data-mining program has become so vast that it could "create an Orwellian state." Today marks the first time Binney has spoken on national TV about NSA surveillance. Starting with his pre-9-11 identification of the world-wide-web as a voluminous problem since the NSA was 'falling behind the rate-of-change', his success in creating a system (codenamed Thin-Thread) for 'grabbing' all the data and the critical 'lawful' anonymization of that data (according to mandate at the time) which as soon as 9-11 occurred went out of the window as all domestic and foreign communications was now stored (starting with AT&T's forking over their data). This direct violation of the constitutional rights of everybody in the country was why Binney decided he could not stay (leaving one month after 9-11) along with the violation of almost every privacy and intelligence act as near-bottomless databases store all forms of communication collected by the agency, including private emails, cell phone calls, Google searches and other personal data.

There was a time when Americans still cared about matters such as personal privacy. Luckily, they now have iGadgets to keep them distracted as they hand over their last pieces of individuality to the Tzar of conformity.


Part 1 - Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance

William Binney's shocking facts start at around 15:00...



Part 2 - Detained in the U.S.: Filmmaker Laura Poitras Held, Questioned Some 40 Times at U.S. Airports

The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Laura Poitras discusses how she has been repeatedly detained and questioned by federal agents whenever she enters the United States. Poitras said the interrogations began after she began working on her documentary, "My Country, My Country," about post-invasion Iraq. Her most recent film, "The Oath," was about Yemen and Guantánamo and follows the lives of two past associates of Osama bin Laden. She estimates she has been detained approximately 40 times and has had her laptop, cell phone and personal belongings repeatedly searched.




Part 3 - "We Don’t Live in a Free Country": Jacob Appelbaum on Being Target of Widespread Gov’t Surveillance

We speak with Jacob Appelbaum, a computer researcher who has faced a stream of interrogations and electronic surveillance since he volunteered with the whistleblowing website, WikiLeaks. He describes being detained more than a dozen times at the airport and interrogated by federal agents who asked about his political views and confiscated his cell phone and laptop. When asked why he cannot talk about what happened after he was questioned, Appelbaum says, "Because we don’t live in a free country. And if I did, I guess I could tell you about it." A federal judge ordered Twitter to hand over information about Appelbaum’s account. Meanwhile, he continues to work on the Tor Project, an anonymity network that ensures every person has the right to browse the internet without restriction and the right to speak freely.




Part 4 - Whistleblower: The NSA is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails

National Security Agency whistleblower

William Binney reveals he believes domestic surveillance has become more expansive under President Obama than President George W. Bush. He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion "transactions" — phone calls, emails and other forms of data — from Americans. This likely includes copies of almost all of the emails sent and received from most people living in the United States. Binney talks about Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act and challenges NSA Director Keith Alexander’s assertion that the NSA is not intercepting information about U.S. Citizens.



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i-dog's picture

Fuck off, wannabee! Get your own identity...you're just a lowly thief.

Dr. Engali's picture

It's becoming too easy... And old.

Yen Cross's picture

i puke (dog) and Dr.wanabe (Engali)! Both douchebag Morning fodder! Keep up the good work Slewie!

  You two ass clowns should vet the G/20 this weekend! MORONS!

Dr. Engali's picture

That's not Slewie ... In case you can't figure that out. I'll forgive you. By the time stamp on your post it was probably past your bed time and you were too tired to tell the difference. That probably explains your crankiness too.

i-dog's picture

LOL ... I've always known that he wasn't over-bright.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

junkyardjack said:

NSA's tracking database is likely 85% porn

They must be snagging a lot of SEC "communications".


NotApplicable's picture

Not true. Everyone has a skeleton or two hiding in the closet, given the myriad of laws criminalizing everyday life.

These serve as leveragable pressure-points to demand support of, and conformity to, the dictates of the regime du jour..

junkyardjack's picture

Companies already do that, has Google hit you up yet for your questionable searches to make you click on more links?  If you are really worried about that you shouldn't be on the internet at all.


francis_sawyer's picture

francis_sawyer is pure as the driven snow...

krispkritter's picture

Oh yeah? Why did we find this on your computer? 


(if you are not a breast man don't click the link...you can turn the sound off any time...)

Dr. Engali's picture

I could watch all but the last 20 seconds of that all day. The only thing that would make it better is a trampoline.

nmewn's picture

Dedicated to Barry's Secret Service agents everywhere.

Dr. Kananga's picture

Once someone has enough data on you, it can be assembled in any way the gatherers desire to support their view of YOU. Sure, you might not be doing anything wrong, but if you run afoul of the wrong people later on, watch out.

sgt_doom's picture

Excellent points, Dr. K, similarly, when the DoD began that DNA collection program in conjunction with blood supply centers around the country a few years back, once one's DNA is on file, virtually any type of false crime scenario is conceivable (planting your DNA at the scene of the crime, etc.).


TomJoad's picture

It doesn't matter what incriminating digital information they mave HAVE on any of us, since if they need any, they can just as easily (if not moreso) simply make it up. Do everything you can to make sure no kiddie porn gets on your computer? Doesn't make one lick of difference, because if they want something that heavy on you, they will just put it there themselves. It's all just electrons, and electrons don't have any moral compunctions.

TheGardener's picture

Suspecting a raid , one could burn all manuscripts.

Wrong burn, any evidence found left will be turned against you and anything you say anyway , so don`t shut up until this very day .You and yourself will be charged anyway `Me against myself and I` is all the witnesses they need, so please don`t care about the evidence produced, if any.

AndTheRest's picture

If you choose to stay in the fascist American police state it is improper to own any digital storage devices.  This includes modern video game systems that have internet connectivity.  They can plant porn, or make it out like you were trying to chat up kids on xbox live.


Then again, if you ditch all of that they'll just frame you for drugs, or something else.


Either be a good little sheep, or leave the U.S.  Those are your choices.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

DNA is now collected from every child born in the US. Look up the Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2008.

AndTheRest's picture

Gotta start plugging data into the database early for the new American.  The slave's metrics will be tracked from birth to death.  Data analyzed, compared, and conclusions formulated.  And when a member of the elite becomes a victim it will be easier to catch the perpetrator.  Naturally these systems will not be used to protect a member of the peasant class.


The tyrants that run the Anglosphere are hell bent on creating one world government and want as much data as possible to fully control and scientifically manage all of human existence.

putaipan's picture

preemptive baptism bitches! .... coming to a database near you soon.

ebworthen's picture


"Flounder" might be a better handle for you.

Haddock's picture

^ nice

My comment was just asking why we should care about the surveillance of people who don't care. Don't put me in that 'School' just yet...

ebworthen's picture

o.k., thanks for the clarification; I would say even if they don't care "we" should care.

Haddock it is.

Incubus's picture

"Old George Orwell got it backward. Big Brother isn't watching. He's singing and dancing. He's pulling rabbits out of a hat. Big Brother's holding your attention every moment you're awake. He's making sure you're always distracted. He's making sure you're fully absorbed... and this being fed, it's worse than being watched. With the world always filling you, no one has to worry about what's in your mind. With everyone's imagination atrophied, no one will ever be a threat to the world." - Chuck Palahniuk


and anyways: the NSA knows I'm an anarchist homophobe.  big deal.

CH1's picture

the vast majority have nothing of interest to be discovered about themselves, so why should we care?

Ah, what a good little sheep you are: Happy to be penned, tagged, shorn and slaughtered... and disdainful of all who resist.

nmewn's picture

Its quite revealing how some people don't mind being watched by voyeurs and think you shouldn't mind either...I mean, thats where we're at here.

The government is one big ass Peeping Tom and the Snookie crowd see's no problem at all.

CoolBeans's picture

True.  It behooves me when these people say, "Well, that's fine because I'm not doing anything wrong anyway....."

Really?  C'mon people!!!!

ManOfBliss's picture

I actually have to agree. What do they NOT already know about me?

Dr. Engali's picture

You don't get it. In big brother's eyes we are all criminals. It's just a matter of to what degree.

Decolat's picture

Conformity = maximum efficiency, for our rulers to suck the life out of us.

buzzsaw99's picture

The NSA couldn't find their ass with both hands.

trebuchet's picture

Thats not the point. 

As long as they can find yours when they want to, is the point. 

I could be more graphic, but i think you are getting the point.

AndTheRest's picture

They have all the money in the world to throw at google, facebook, defense contractors, etc., to find their ass for them...and wipe it too.

alangreedspank's picture

Why do these Democracy Now types (ie: lefties) always need such obvious signs of State power growth to start freaking out ? The state is too big and oppressive when it simply exists at all... Good luck tying it down with a bunch of papers written by old dead men.

Lost Wages's picture

Those of you who turn everything into Conservatives vs. Liberals will never fully understand the truth, because you will always filter the truth through your moronic, dualistic ideology. So-called Liberals and so-called Conservatives... you are a joke to me.

sunaJ's picture

It is called the Tyranny of the Discontinuous Mind -  Either/Or pathological thinking:  Democrat/Republican, Gay/Straight, Bush/Obama, With us/Against us...we all have a tendency to it and it is used to manipulate the shite out of us. 

I don't mind the erroneous conclusion of these boring people as much as I do the certainty with which they state their case, usually claiming higher moral grounds.   It is a clear sign of a mind lacking wisdom or a whiff of reflection, and it threatens our very ability to govern ourselves.  It prevents the person so afflicted from seeing the larger problem that affects us all.  They lose their ability to build a foundation. 

1C3-N1N3's picture

If the murderers come for me, and I sincerely doubt that they will, but if they do, then I didn't want to be here anyway.

AndTheRest's picture

You could leave before your murderous fascist government comes for you.


Did I just blow your mind?

1C3-N1N3's picture

No, you didn't.

My point was that if someone puts a gun to my head and orders me to change my behavior, I'll pull the damn trigger _for_them_ before I do what they say. That could happen anywhere.


old news, the gov't reads every post on this site as well as where you came from your IP address, location and server. They also listen into your cell phone calls, home phone and all internet sites that you have visited. Fuckin perverts

Dr. Kananga's picture

Heard this on the radio this morning. Binney's analysis is spot on.

When the ATT fiber tap operation in San Francisco was exposed, there wasn't anyone in tech who thought that was the only tap--it was just the only one you heard about. Now here we are years later and they've intercepted so much damn data they're building a complex to store it all, in broad daylight.

Goodbye privacy, hello Big Brother.

sgt_doom's picture



During the Bush Administration, the Stellar Wind cases were referred to by FBI agents as "pizza cases" because many seemingly suspicious cases turned out to be food takeout orders. Approximately 99 percent of the cases led nowhere, but 1 percent bore fruit.[2] One of the known uses of this data was the creation of suspicious activity reports, or "SARS", about people suspected of terrorist activities. It was one of these reports that revealed former NY governor Elliot Spitzer's use of prostitutes, even though he was not suspected of terrorist activities. 

citta vritti's picture

was not prosecuting wall streeters a terrorist activity?

francis_sawyer's picture

To: November Sierra Alpha


I "stellar wind" in your general direction...