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Numbers Cited By SOPA Supporters May Be Fictitious

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Ignoring, momentarily, that the U.S. has already adopted international law which seeks to curtail online piracy (see, e.g., DMCA), and that these new bills seek to do little more than enact what amounts to police powers over foreign companies, it looks like the studies cited in support of piracy-gone-rampant may have never have existed. Julian Sanchez, a researcher at the Cato Institute, did his level best at tracking down the research behind the near-absurd numbers (the industry claims nearly $250B lost in revenues a year, and 750,000 lost jobs), but instead found only circular references.

So then, you may be asking yourself: how much does piracy actually cost the entertainment industry? $89MM. What’s the U.S. Taxpayer cost to enact new legislation (SOPA)? $47MM, by Sanchez’s estimates. That's 52.8 cents of U.S. Taxpayer money spent for every dollar in private enterprise saved, if the system works (which it won't), when there already likely exists a private remedy (private action in the host country).

From the GAO:

“First, a number of industry, media, and government publications have cited an FBI estimate that U.S. businesses lose $200-$250 billion to counterfeiting on an annual basis. This estimate was contained in a 2002 FBI press release, but FBI officials told us that it has no record of source data or methodology for generating the estimate and that it cannot be corroborated.


Second, a 2002 CBP press release contained an estimate that U.S. businesses and industries lose $200 billion a year in revenue and 750,000 jobs due to counterfeits of merchandise. However, a CBP official stated that these figures are of uncertain origin, have been discredited, and are no longer used by CBP. A March 2009 CBP internal memo was circulated to inform staff not to use the figures. However, another entity within DHS continues to use them.”

See Kevin Fogerty's piece at IT World for more.


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Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:24 | 2076252 redpill
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Sac sighting, Sac sighting!

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:29 | 2076267 Bill the Cat
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I can't has freedomz on teh Interwebz?  I can't has freedomz at all?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:20 | 2076860 johnu1978
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More government lies!


Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:58 | 2076942 trav7777
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250B?  That's a horseshit number AB INITIO.  How the fuck could anyone tell that lie with a straight face?

Hollyweird and these shit peddler confettier cousins just want their goddamned pound of flesh from everyone.  Their movies suck.  Their music sucks.  Their TV shows suck.

If the people pirating this shit didn't pirate it, guess what...THEY WOULDN'T WATCH IT OR LISTEN TO IT.  Like me and the UFC.  I can get that on a p2p site otherwise, I am not going to pony up the money for the PPV.  Fuck that.  If I want to hear a song, I go to Youtube.  I give a fuck about downloading the thing to my goddamned phone or some bs MP3 player and most other people don't give enough of a fuck to do so either.

The people who should complain about piracy are the radio stations...ipods+piracy killed them.  And pop music sucks shit and is totally formulaic.  Is there much of ANYTHING in "entertainment" worth a fuck these days?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:07 | 2076968 JPM Hater001
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Bah humbug I say.  The amount wouldnt matter if we just reclassify the fuckers as terrorists.  Then we can kill them here and abroad...who's gonna pirate our shit now huh mutha flacker....

Just couldnt pull the full swear...sorry.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:31 | 2077278 StychoKiller
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Check this out:

or, if you have HD radio:

Jazz iz where itz at!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 10:21 | 2077578 gwbrennan
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That Jazz station is excellent.  Perfect soundtrack while reading ZH.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:08 | 2076533 fnord88
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"I can't has freedomz at all?"

You still have the most important freedom of all. The freedom to do exactly what they tell you.

Now shut the fuck up, dancing with the stars is on.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:44 | 2076632 NumNutt
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Why am I getting the feeling that as soon as this latest peice of legislation is shoved up the tax payers ass two things are going to happen:

1. we will be expected to start paying more taxes to fund this peice of shit.

2. Sites like Zerohedge are going to vanish from the WEB.

Get ready, they are taking total control.....

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:53 | 2076660 LetThemEatRand
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The numbers supporting SOPA are bullshit which seemed self-evident to a lot of us before CATO said so, but the numbers that support the oil pipeline are all valid and we need to support it and get mad about not having another one (in a country that has no shortage of energy supply)? God forbid we would get together as a society and say no to the oiligarchs.   But when they want to take away our internet, let's get pissed!!!!!

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:18 | 2076828 Hive Raid
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B-b-b-but... Hollywood Jews wouldn't LIE, would they?!!

Just like the "6 million Jews" fraud that they've shoved down the throat of every elementary school child and every movie-goer in the country; they've been selling the 6 million number since BEFORE World War 1 !  Perfect smoke-screen-of-pity/guilt to protect their international banking crime syndicate and their heritage of Bolshevik/Neocon agitation and mass murder (20 million Russians less than a century ago).


Better look now, because they will shut it down once they've promulgated enough Talmudic law to revoke the 1st amendment on the net.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 12:37 | 2078124 AchtungAffen
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Randians and racists, one single (oily) heart...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 10:02 | 2077520 flattrader
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>>>but the numbers that support the oil pipeline are all valid and we need to support it and get mad about not having another one (in a country that has no shortage of energy supply)?<<<

...and the pipeline would have contained the dirtyest form of crude transversing US fresh water aquifers and fertile farmland to go to a US port to be shipped abroad and refined elsewhere for the benefit of others...

But, why confuse the morons?...they will choose whatever bullshit numbers they want to "believe" in--reality be damned...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:01 | 2076949 trav7777
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freedom?  LOLZ

The US is one of the LEAST FREE NATIONS ON THE PLANET.  We think we're free because we can favorably compare ourselves to fucking IRAN or North Korea?  ROTFL.

What about like 100 other nations?  JFC, you can't go a day in this place without having someone in "authority" trying to be your fucking mom.  While our kids play dodge ball with fucking foam balls made for 2 year olds (seriously).

You're breaking about 10 laws right now and you don't (and can't) even know it.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:21 | 2077255 Element
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The obvious answer to the tyranny is mass, and I mean  M A S S  civil disobedience

That's not anarchy.

That's people saying we are the boss, and we always have been.

We make the laws, and those laws are for us, and we can end those Laws and abandon them, altogether, any time we want to.

The same goes for any government, any leader, and any administration.

TPTB just don't want us to realise that we can do that, to any of them, any time we decide to.

We don't even need to challenge TPTB, and we don't need to ask their permission.

We just don't obey anything that we don't think is honouring our personal or community's best interests.

Who the fuck are these 'law makers' to any of us?

To hell with the lot of them.

Why is this so obvious, yet so few have the balls to simply stop playing their game, altogether.

'Copyright' ... who gives a pound of poo-tickets about that? 

Maybe they'll copyright the English language next, and thus shut us up, as we won't be able to afford to verbalise any more?

Creativity is for us. It is not for some to have and for us to not have, unless we get poorer so they get richer.

Fuck that, to Hell with them and all their dismal petty 'lorz'.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:36 | 2077280 StychoKiller
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"There's no way to rule innocent men.  The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals.  Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.  One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.  Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?  What's there in that for anyone?  But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted--and you create a nation of law-breakers--and then you cash in on guilt.  Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. -- Dr. Floyd Ferris

Emphasis, added by me.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 04:12 | 2080504 Element
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You know, there's a part in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that says basically the same thing.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:52 | 2076642 SMG
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Give me liberty, or give me death!


PS.  I'll fight the death, so you damn well better give me liberty.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 02:53 | 2077190 Nage42
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>Give me liberty

Holy "that ship has sailed" Batman!  Didn't you get the memo?!?  They removed your last remaining liberty a few weeks ago... that tingling feeling of where your nationalism should be is just ghost pains of the legs they cut out from under you.

Can you say: "OMG! They stole my cheeze!"?


Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:26 | 2076257 SHEEPFUKKER

Ha ha, they don't seem to be too bothered about counterfeiting FSR's.  Awesome. 

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:27 | 2076261 SHEEPFUKKER

Errrrr, counterfeit and FSR......sorry about the redundancy. 

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:21 | 2076571 a growing concern
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I think the Bernank downvoted you.  How did he get an account on here, anyway?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:26 | 2076258 uranian
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oh, the government lied. now there's a fucking surprise eh?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:28 | 2076266 Sweet Chicken
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lulz I came in to post this exact sentiment. +1

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:42 | 2076313 Terminus C
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Governments don't lie... they just have a different understanding of the truth.  It all boils down to what your definition of "is" is.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:55 | 2076502 macholatte
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Advertising is legalized lying.
H. G. Wells



A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureaucracy.
Aldous Huxley

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.
Edward Bernays

Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.
Joseph Goebbels

All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.
Noam Chomsky


Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler



Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:06 | 2076525 infinity8
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How about the big pharma ads? Can't advertise smokes but it's okay to advertise pills that you can't have legally unless prescribed by an MD. So, why advertise to the masses with the endless, retarded side effects quoted to appease the lawyers?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:11 | 2076545 TwelfthVulture
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What about the comedic value?  Do you not value that?

Having trouble falling asleep because your legs are moving?

Then, take this magic pill.

Side effects may include:  Stroke, seizure, vomitting, severe abdominal cramping, rectal hemoraging, high blood pressure, blindness and/or paralysis.

Yeah, Doc, I need that extra 15 minutes per night!  Damn the risks!

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:15 | 2076554 infinity8
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don't forget frontal lobe dislocation.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:12 | 2076700 LetThemEatRand
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don't forget the pipeline that us freedom loving americans are supposed to be pissed that Obama blocked (temporarily).

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:34 | 2076756 toomanyfakecons...
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Pharmacetical adverse drug reactions still kill over 100,000 Americans every year... and barely a peep from the media or governement. The WAR ON DRUGS... the wrong drugs.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:06 | 2076965 trav7777
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if there were even TEN MDMA deaths, they would scream from every rooftop they could get access to.

People drop dead in droves from prescriptions and hospital fuckups and nary a peep.  Freedom?  This isn't fucking freedom.

I saw freedom in Colombia just a couple weeks ago...mountain road, no guardrail.  Intersections in the city with no signage in ANY direction.  Guess what?  Motherfucking PEOPLE managed to get by without the goddamned NANNY STATE mother-in-law government breathing down their fucking necks trying to micromanage every aspect of their lives.

People are gravitating toward RP and will continue to move toward that message because they just want their fucking Uncle Sam to STFU and get out of their grille.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:21 | 2076993 infinity8
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can't argue with any of that.      amen.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 01:04 | 2077058 Burnbright
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You know Trav it is funny that RP says freedom brings people together and all your rants in this particular article I could not agree more. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:30 | 2077275 Element
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Yeah we somehow survived the last 100,000 years without a mandatory fluoro safety vest.

I guess we musta just got lucky

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:02 | 2076953 trav7777
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funny how much Adolf and Bernays agreed upon

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:44 | 2076321 ISEEIT
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The Veil between left/right becomes more thin daily. The pace accelerates. Each of us just needs to give a little to get a lot. We do not need to let this happen. It can still be different. Sure, by the skin of our skinny, chin, chin, but that still counts right?

Let's not go there people.

Write in Ron Paul.

He is not a 'saviour'. He is just an old dude telling the truth as best as he knows how.


WTF else are we to do?

Don't do it.

Stop. Everything literally is at risk. The 'vacation' of Liberty is literally at risk. When you choose sides in this war bear that in mind. It is not us VS them, it is them VS us.

Understanding the distiction is key.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 10:28 | 2077562 flattrader
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>>>He is not a 'saviour'. He is just an old dude telling the truth as best as he knows how.<<<

Not a savior?  His Christian Reconstructionist nutball followers certainly think know the ones who want the all those pesky national civil rights laws out of the way so they can impose the death penalty for gays, adulterers and delinquent children on the state level?

It's clear most Americans don't give a damn about gays or if women have access to safe abortions, but they will draw the line at the death penalty for adultery..kind of hard to get a stiffy and fuck the neighbor's wife when you have to worry about public stoning

>>>At the John Birch Society 50th anniversary gala, Ron Paul spoke to another favorite theme of the Reconstructionists and others in the religious right: that of the "remnant" left behind after evil has swept the land. (Gary North's publication is called The Remnant Review.) In a dispatch on Paul's keynote address, The New American, the publication of the John Birch Society, explained, "He claimed that the important role the JBS has played was to nurture that remnant and added, 'The remnant holds the truth together, both the religious truth and the political truth.'"<<<

That's a direct quote.  He speaks their language.  He is one of them. Ron Paul's Reconstructionist religious remnant holds the "political truth" together?  The Birchers?  What crap. I like my government secular and want to keep it that way. For those of you who still don't understand the threat to secular goverment, read on


>>>Though a committed Baptist, Paul writes on his website, “My faith is a deeply private issue to me, and I don’t speak on it in great detail during my speeches because I want to avoid any appearance of exploiting it for political gain.

Nevertheless, Paul’s support among the country’s most committed theocrats is deep and longstanding, something that’s poorly understood among those who simply see him as a libertarian. That’s why it wasn’t surprising when the Paul campaign touted the endorsement of Phil Kayser, a Nebraska pastor with an Iowa following who calls for the execution of homosexuals. Nor was it shocking to learn that Mike Heath, Paul’s Iowa state director, is a former board chairman of “Americans for Truth About Homosexuality,” which the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies as a hate group. Should Paul win the Iowa caucuses, it will actually be a triumph for a fundamentalist faction that has until now been considered a fringe even on the Christian right.<<<




>>>>Ron Paul has long been a favorite politician of Christian Reconstructionists. (Gary) North was a Paul staffer during the Texas congressman’s first term and has called him the “mahatma of self-government.” As Adele Stan reported on Alternet, in 2008, Howard Phillips, a Christian Reconstructionist who founded the Constitution Party, was the keynote speaker at the rally Paul convened in the shadow of the Republican convention. (That year, Paul endorsed the Constitution Party candidate for president over John McCain.) “The people who I know who are big Ron Paul guys are old school Reconstructionists,” says Paul supporter Brian D. Nolder, the pastor of Christ the Redeemer Church in Pella, Iowa.

It might seem that Paul’s libertarianism is the very opposite of theocracy, but that’s true only if you want to impose theocracy at the federal level. In general, Christian Reconstructionists favor a radically decentralized society, with communities ruled by male religious patriarchs. Freed from the power of the Supreme Court and the federal government, they believe that local governments could adopt official religions and enforce biblical law.<<<

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 19:55 | 2076354 Shizzmoney
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It's like Hollywood doesn't understand the level of crap they have spewed out the last few years.

But it's the pirates fault no one goes to see Cars 4, The Lion King remake, <Insert 70's Sitcom> remake, Short Circuit remake, Hangover 2 (basically the same movie, just in Thailand), etc, etc.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:33 | 2076457 Hephasteus
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It's all part of the plan. Really good government propaganda can't be made in a free market. You have to be reliant on the government and it's enforcement division to crater.

Then you can have forced phones for a 1 a month. Forced cable tv for a dollar a month. Corporate government where corporations tell them what they need to buy. Senators on sleep pills that wake up at 3:30 in the morning and go to work without knowing why they are doing it. Yep McCain fucking did that.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:08 | 2076967 trav7777
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people just don't understand Brave New World.  They can't get the message, it seems.  We are freaking THERE.  "consumption up to the limits of hygiene," the feelies with explosions and helicopters.  A true magnum opus.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:35 | 2076460 infinity8
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I started work after the 1st of the year at 2 different locations that have a fucking teevee on all the time. I haven't been a watcher for years, no cable, maybe a total of 4 hours a month with news, a little comedy or a documentary. I CANNOT BELIEVE how crappy it's become. Who is watching this shit? Ice Road Truckers is still on? Can't remember the last time I went to a movie in the theater. Rentals are 98% disappointing, to say the least. I wouldn't take this shit if you GAVE it to me, let alone pirate any of it. (and I have no problem paying for music that I want)

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:12 | 2076549 TwelfthVulture
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You can't have the music YOU want, unless you also pay for the shit THEY want you to buy.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:26 | 2076581 infinity8
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Maybe I'm having a stupid moment but, I don't understand you. I pay cover charges to see hard-working bands I like. I buy Ween and Splitlip Rayfield and Jimi Hendrix CD's (among others). If it's worth it to me, it's worth it to me. I don't do iTunes, if that's what you're referring to . . . don't own "i" anything.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:39 | 2076767 YoDudeRock
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I'm with you iShit sucks.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:30 | 2079833 taeonu
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Piracy Who? MPAA Celebrates 5th Consecutive Year of Record Profits

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:00 | 2076361 Careless Whisper
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"...nearly one-quarter of all Internet traffic is copyright-infringing..."   (Chris Dodd, Motion Picture Association of America, Chairman and CEO) November 4, 2011   (third paragraph from last)



Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:20 | 2076417 Star Jonestown
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16% of all broadband traffic last summer was consumed by bit torrent.  source: gigaom.  So, considering all the other methodologies used to pirate goods, "nearly one quarter" is a reasonable statement.  

People are stealing stuff that's cheap because they can.  


Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:24 | 2076429 Pancho Villa
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This is the same Chris Dodd who helped to engineer the current housing/banking depression?

And now he is trying to shut down the internet?

This guy is a real piece of work.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:02 | 2076515 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Today, in an article called "Chris Dodd's paid SOPA crusading", Glenn Greenwald skewered that hypocritical lowlife piece of Dodd shit by throwing his own words back at him. Dodd shit smears himself as a professional liar that carries around a copy of the Constitution so he can wipe his ass with it.


Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:08 | 2076688 nasa
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How again is this piece of shit a free man? 

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:10 | 2076692 nmewn
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He has friends in low places.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:42 | 2077283 StychoKiller
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Gasp!  You mean pr0n is infringing?!

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:01 | 2076364 Whoa Dammit
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Besides the policing of the internet problem with SOPA, I for one had a hard time doing my job today (construction pricing) without Google (Yahoo search sucks.).  The negative impact of SOPA will be huge on a lot of businesses, and this is not being taken into consideration by our illustrious dot gov. Piracy losses are a drop in the bucket comparatively. 

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:22 | 2076424 Star Jonestown
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Why didn't you use Google?  It's working and has worked all day.  Same with wikipedia - just use your phone in that case.  

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:49 | 2076788 Whoa Dammit
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The main page had the black banner over the search area, and I had heard it was going to be down today. Didn't try further than that. But the point is, if SOPA is enacated, it will cause real problems for all sorts of businesses.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:10 | 2076971 trav7777
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google sucks...use bing.  Don't support would-be monopolies of any kind.

Don't buy CIAndroid phones or iShit.  Buy something like MS phone 7 and if they get big, buy something else.

It's like when "alternative" music became mainstream.  Just move on.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:46 | 2077284 StychoKiller
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Bing is a subsidiary of MicroSoft, hence part of a monopoly!

Check your premises, and use these instead:


Fri, 01/20/2012 - 05:17 | 2080521 Element
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Thanks for that SK, google is just one giant script-engine (as opposed to search-engine) fucking with you, and monitoring you.

I've been looking into alternatives but most are Google Yahoo and Answers dot con affiliates.

I'm going to give my android phone the flick as well.

As far as I'm concerned anything connected with Google and the other digital hangers-on, is not something I plan to use.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:46 | 2076783 YoDudeRock
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Yeah, what chutalking about.  Google is only "blacking out" their logo.    Why bullshit everyone about that?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:04 | 2076377 q99x2
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'FBI estimate that U.S. businesses lose $200-$250 billion to counterfeiting'

Dudes if amounts are what's important for an act of congress let's start with the FED. Whataya Stupid?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:05 | 2076380 surf0766
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Why would we think these number are more correct than number from the BLS, BIS, NAR?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:12 | 2076402 mark mchugh
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I couldn't view this page in IE; I had to use Google Chrome.  Anyone else have problems?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:02 | 2076516 smiler03
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No problems at all, IE9 fine, Chrome too.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:45 | 2076635 mark mchugh
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Thanks for checking.  Dunno what happened there.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:23 | 2076425 Seasmoke
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You mean just like when they report a Louis Vuitton bust in china town for 2 million dollar retail value when the real total value is under 800 dollars

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 07:45 | 2077339 the tower
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Most "fake" brand articles are the real thing.

They are produced in the same factories but - to keep the price high of the "real" article - the remaining 20.000 bags in a production run of 25.000 are dumped as fakes.


Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:25 | 2076428 dwdollar
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This is all besides the point. We don't live in a free society any longer. Prepare yourselves.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:42 | 2076479 zerozulu
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What you get from Regular American," I'm not worried if I have nothing to hide."

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:49 | 2077288 StychoKiller
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The future's so bright, you're gonna need some shades...

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 20:50 | 2076486 g3h
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And the clueless American people are just busy with their Face-my-ass-Book, spreading the same rumors, and are happy.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:08 | 2076536 haskelslocal
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I just walked my dog. The woman walking by said "Ugh" to me but, "Hello my Precious Darling!" to my dog.

It happens a lot and has made me realize that many people are so emersed in fear and depression that they're unwilling to trust their fellow man. However, an innocent dog? Why of course it opens the doorway to love! It shows that the hope and heart still exists but the wearwithall to survive it is truly daunting.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:06 | 2076530 junkyardjack
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But corporations shouldn't have to pay taxes, they should just get all the benefits of raping the taxpayers for free and not have to participate in the system.  

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 04:34 | 2077239 onebir
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They ARE the system.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 14:06 | 2078506 MachoMan
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It doesn't make any sense for corporations to pay taxes with the amount of alternative pass through entities out there...  aside from the fact that the taxes are ultimately born by the shareholders anyway (on income) and attempted to be passed onto consumers as much as possible.

There are many, many better arguments for curtailing the american corporate form...

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:20 | 2076566 tony bonn
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this case sounds like the one about the alleged 10,000+ cellular phone studies which the lying asshole ceo of motorola cited in support of his completely bogus assertion that cell phones are not harmful.....a researcher sought to identify the studies but came up with less than 100 which actually studied the matter....complete with incestuous circular referencing....

turns out that cellular microwave radiation is very harmful but don't let the psychopathic cell phone executives hear you say that....

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:20 | 2076567 hmmmstrange
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Watch, we'll get a computer monitor tax to supplement hollywood when SOPA does nothing to stop piracy.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:39 | 2076573 Mercury
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"Lost revenue" numbers vis-à-vis piracy are always inflated...or at least made up.  They assume that a transaction involving a pirated item has replaced a sale of the same item at full price.

Not too many kids with 20,000 songs in their digital music library would have shelled out $20k for the same if the iTunes store were the only alternative.

So what is ZH's SOPA threat assessment regarding this site's own activities?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:23 | 2076874 slewie the pi-rat
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So what is ZH's SOPA threat assessment regarding this site's own activities?

  1. classified
  2. a drunken rant
  3. what activities?
  4. making up fictitious data for 3)
  5. see "bug-out bag"
  6. we are doomed
  7. all of the above
Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:39 | 2076602 swani
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'Lost revenues' are always inflated by lobbyists trying to pass legislation that fucks over the entire world for the interests of a few. And when the whole of Congress is deathly afraid of the angry populace and losing control over the country, they would love nothing more than to support this treasonous legislation, and pretend, that they are not supporting it for totalitarian control and suppression of free speech purposes, but for the benefit of Hollywood, the music industry ext. They are all a bunch of pussies, they would probably sell their mothers for the right amount of cash/power/cash, same thing. And while the country continues to wake up, the Kleptocracy must be wondering, just how long, they can keep control, before having no choice, but to declare WWIII.   

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 21:43 | 2076628 Clay Hill
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Thanks for posting this Sac, the allegation of invented numbers from the FBI led to some interesting reading.

Now where could we find an IT version of Fred Whitehurst?

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:01 | 2076675 mark mchugh
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Although I try to never say anything good about any government agency, the GAO seems to be doing a pretty good job.

Their report on the Fed's "emergency" programs stands as the best government document on the crisis.

These guys might be OK.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:12 | 2076703 slewie the pi-rat
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actually, the studies were done by the same scientists in britain who worked up all the fake global warming studies, and these were certainly just as good, too! 

but, they were lost! 

in a quirky, "dog-ate-my-homework" type of serendipitous synchronicity, an intern at the D0Justice "accidently deleted" them by mistake while "accidently deleting" investigatory files on the banksters...

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:43 | 2076776 CaptainObvious
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Oh damn, so that's what happened to Corzine's arrest warrant!  I wondered about that.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:55 | 2076938 toomanyfakecons...
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"Dog from East Anglia eats critical multi-gig thumb drive". The public would believe it.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:34 | 2076753 monopoly
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Starting to get a little scary. They really are trying to take away our freedoms. And looks like we moved up to another level with a Sacrilege post. Luv it.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 03:32 | 2077207 Real Estate Geek
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SOPA is a distraction from the apostasy that is NDAA.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 04:33 | 2077240 Archduke
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Thu, 01/19/2012 - 09:33 | 2077459 Antipodeus
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Just for a moment, I thought you said "apostrophe".  ;=)

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 09:49 | 2077487 exi1ed0ne
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Freedom can't be taken away. The only thing others can do is put coercive consequences on the exercise of freedom in an attempt to change the risk/reward equation. Minor nit, but an important one to remember.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:39 | 2076768 toomanyfakecons...
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If the SOPA supporters bullshit fails, they can always pull the child porn card and justify an internet kill switch because they're "doing it for the children".

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 22:42 | 2076772 CaptainObvious
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"Second, a 2002 CBP press release contained an estimate that U.S. businesses and industries lose $200 billion a year in revenue and 750,000 jobs due to counterfeits of merchandise."

The children!  Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?  The poor Chinese children who are being denied these 750,000 slave-wage jobs in the UMG CD factory!  Oh, the humanity!

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:22 | 2076867 PiratePiggy
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As of 6 p.m. EST Wednesday evening, Paul was the only GOP candidate to denounce the bills, which have caused an uproar throughout the Internet community; Paul made a statement through a Facebook status update, saying:

“My campaign, and the entire freedom movement, would not be as strong as they are today without a free Internet, and that’s just one of the reasons why the establishment hopes to censor it with SOPA and PIPA. I’m proud to see so many taking a stand today. Contact your representative and senators and tell them to oppose these disastrous bills.”

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:28 | 2076883 WTF_247
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Microsoft started this shit years ago saying kids in China were stealing 10s of billions in revenue from them selling pirated Windows XP disks on the streets.  What they forever refuse to acknowledge is that someone who makes 10 bucks a week is not about to shell out 150 bucks for your crap software, - its a way to make some money.

This does not mean they should be able to do it, but the claims of harm are fraudulent.  Even those that buy it in such countries do not have the purchasing power to buy the software legitimate.

The same can be said of most other types of pirating.  I would guess that maybe 10% (at most) can be claimed as a legit sale missed, that is being generous.


The industries did it to themselves after decades of shit product that cannot be returned.  They play a hit song on the radio - you say "wow cool song", and buy the album.  Unfortunately this is the ONLY song they actually put some money into production, writing and producing.  The rest of the album is mediocre to crap.  Can you get your money back?  Hell no.  Software is realeased that is buggy or does not do what it promises.  Movies constantly get released on new formats, each time expecting you to pay in full for the same content again and again and again.

They are up against the wall. Once content goes digital their bullshit "get them to buy it 5 times" method of business is done.  So they have to resort to legal methods to stop it.

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:59 | 2076947 PiratePiggy
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Correct. How many times should you have to pay to "license" the same Beatles song?  mono 45, stereo, LP, 8track, cassette, best of, remix, remaster, soundtrack, web stream, CD, Betamax, VHS, DVD, Bu Ray, etc.

Broke your record, scratched your CD, lost your DVD? Proof of license purchase should get you a new copy. Instead you have to pay full price as if you had not already purchased the license. 

Want to pass on your purchased license to your children?  You are a potential SOPA violator and your blog indicated you belong on a watch list.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 04:29 | 2077236 onebir
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Actually M$ used "Windoze genuine advantage" to blue -screen pirate windoze copies in China a few years back. There was such an outcry they backed down and switched it off. :)

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:40 | 2077281 Element
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I'd be surprised anyone would even consider pirating Windowz7, what a pile of worthless steaming crap it is!

Wed, 01/18/2012 - 23:48 | 2076927 syzygy_g
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:02 | 2076954 toomanyfakecons...
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Pussies... I thought Reddit was down for 24 hours in protest and it's not.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 00:31 | 2077000 BlackholeDivestment
BlackholeDivestment's picture ...Lol, had to. Tis to purrrrfect. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 01:10 | 2077070 geekgrrl
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The irony of all this internet lockdown stuff is that despite all the hoohaa, the reality is that creativity and innovation is dependent upon having rich source material. It's part of the reason ZH is such an awesome site, as the Tylers are able to draw upon a wide range of original source materials, and they do an excellent job of distilling it down and connecting it to other available information. 

I think these bills are going in entirely the wrong direction. So many new ideas are really unique combinations of existing ideas, often synergistic or synthetic, and I don't think anyone in CONgress has any idea how these proposed rules would work out in the real world. As an engineer, I have absolutely taken other people's ideas and work, and built on top of what they created. This is a natural process and follows evolution. I get that these bureaucrats don't know the first thing about creating, but it almost begs the question if they are actively trying to destroy any possibilities for innovation and creativity still remaining in the country?

Hollywood really should just STFU, because their revenues will be barely improved even if all piracy ceased immediately. Why? Because their product sucks. I haven't seen a movie in a theater in almost a decade (Matrix was my last theater visit) and (unfortunately) I have sat through pieces of shit so horrible that it seemed like I should have been paid to watch. $250B in lost revenues? Hahaha. Yea, Right.

Throwing out a suggestion, I was wondering if ZH could implement HTTPS everywhere, and provide secure access to the site?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 04:26 | 2077233 onebir
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Piracy is also the main source of 'hearts and minds' propaganda for the "American Way of Life" outside the US. Chinese teens etc all think the US is great. If SOPA succeeds, expect to see the US having to rely (even more) on coercion & military force.

(Which it can't afford.)

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 06:46 | 2077316 the tower
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If their products suck or not is a matter of taste. A fact is that in a free economy prices are cut in order to adapt to a changing demand, or a changing consumer income situation.

Hollywood simply refuses to cut prices or offer different pricing structures. They are like the banks, living in financial lalaland.

People will NEVER buy all the stuff they download, simply because they don't have the money for it. So, Hollywood has to swallow the pill and be happy with the billions that they DO make, or make all illegal downloads legal buy offering consumers more bang for the buck.

Can Hollywwod please go back to a free market economy instead of bribing - oops sorry - lobbying Washington?


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 04:18 | 2077227 AnAnonymous
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US citizens and their eternal nature... Discussing evidences as it matters...

Who cares if the numbers are real? Yep, newsflash: there were WMDs in Iraq, the mad man from the desert Saddam Hussein did not destroy them as he was ordered to comply with US world order demand.

US citizens support injustice. Not justice. Nothing new, same since 1776,July, 4th.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:01 | 2077258 Archduke
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If the US was serious about protecting IP, instead of focussing on consumer content IP

which has a limited recirculation and revenue stream, they would go after capital IP

such as inventions, patents, industrial espionnage.  For example: Gallileo and Beidu GPS.




Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:12 | 2077263 spentCartridge
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They bit off more than they could chew with this one, didn't they?

Greedy, lying criminal bastards cut their own throats.


Hollywood is finished.

California is finished.


Fuck them all.


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 05:49 | 2077289 therearetoomany...
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You mean, our...*sniff* our government...*sniff* u us?


"...CBP official stated that these figures are of uncertain origin, have been discredited, and are no longer used by CBP. A March 2009 CBP internal memo was circulated to inform staff not to use the figures. However, another entity within DHS continues to use them."

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 11:43 | 2077895 JW n FL
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How does it feel to be slumming it with the conspiracy freaks!

Now you are one of us..

You have crossed over to the Conspiracy Side of things!

Welcome Home!

You shoulda come by sooner! I know you think we hate you for always being the face that turns off our Be-Loved ZeroHedge.. and you would be right! we DO! hate you for that.. but we understand that from time to time that I.T. has to pretend to work! I mean service the network..

Welcome to FightClub! Sacrilege! Let the rest of your hazing continue!

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