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Obama Asserts Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Fiasco

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If there was any confusion whether Obama is in fact Bush, or maybe even Nixon, this has now been squashed. From Fox:

President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House. The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.

Holder, whose guilt is implicitly proven by this action, is now likely absolved of everything as the TOTUS has effectively onboarded all of his "balance sheet risk." And why not. The Fed does it for everyone else every day.

As a reminder, from the WSJ:

A showdown Wednesday in the House between Attorney General Eric Holder and Rep. Darrell Issa comes down to this: Who will blink first in a dispute over Justice Department documents Mr. Issa is demanding related to the botched Fast and Furious gun-trafficking probe?


California Republican Mr. Issa is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and he has called a 10 a.m. meeting of his panel to vote on a resolution to sanction Mr. Holder with contempt of Congress. The two men held a meeting Tuesday that lasted only 20 minutes. And from their accounts, it has become a game of chicken, with each side insisting the other act first to resolve the standoff.


Mr. Holder said Mr. Issa rejected his offer to provide documents because the lawmaker wouldn't agree that they would fulfill the subpoena, effectively ending the contempt threat. Mr. Issa said the attorney general didn't come prepared to provide documents and that the contempt threat can't be removed until the documents are produced.


At issue are Justice Department documents that Mr. Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) have sought and that the department resisted turning over in the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious. The department said the documents reflected internal deliberation or were related to continuing criminal investigations and therefore weren't subject to congressional subpoena.


If a majority of the committee votes for contempt Wednesday, the matter then could be taken up by the full House. If the House votes in favor, then a contempt citation could be referred to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, an appointee of President Barack Obama who is in Mr. Holder's chain of command. And then things become legally more uncertain. It isn't clear if Congress can compel an executive-branch official to prosecute the attorney general. In the Bush administration, the House voted to hold White House officials in contempt in a similar documents dispute and the Bush-appointed attorney general ordered the U.S. attorney to disregard it. The matter was eventually settled with the production of documents before a civil-court battle ran its course.


The main issue in Fast and Furious remains the contention by Messrs. Issa and Grassley that the Justice Department is improperly withholding documents. The department has turned over thousands of documents—about 7,000 or 8,000, depending on which side is counting—and says it is being forthcoming. By comparison, the inspector general has had access to about 80,000 documents, including those the department has declined to share with lawmakers.




The matter has become a political fight, with little real impact on Mr. Holder, who is expected to serve out his tenure through the end of the current administration in January. Democrats accuse Republicans of using the contempt measure as a political tool against Mr. Holder and the president. Democrats did some of the same against President George W. Bush's attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, who resigned under pressure in a controversy over the firings of U.S. attorneys.

And now back to your regularly scheduled farce of a democratic republic.


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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:09 | 2543091 pupton
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One thug protecting another...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:18 | 2543143 GetZeeGold
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It's the Chicago's just can't see it is all.


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:20 | 2543185 Deo vindice
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That's what transparent government is - you can see right through them.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | 2543198 Marginal Call
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Waiting for Benny?  It's red meat time.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:45 | 2543342 SilverTree
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Obama is in on it!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:01 | 2543714 Sauk Leader
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Obama was involved in it. He is protecting himself.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2543805 Bicycle Repairman
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The US is no longer a democracy or a republic.  After 9/11 Bush declared an emergency and ended it.  The Commander-in-Chief can do whatever he wants.  The CinC will play ball with congress and the supremes when they give him what he wants.  It's good optics.  Otherwise, he'll ignore them.  Likewise for the people.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2544327 Bananamerican
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note to self: new avatar?? hmmm...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:14 | 2544406 Chuck Walla
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Hey Bike Repair,

The US is no longer a democracy or a republic.  After 9/11 Bush declared an emergency and ended it.  The Commander-in-Chief can do whatever he wants.  The CinC will play ball with congress and the supremes when they give him what he wants.  It's good optics.  Otherwise, he'll ignore them.  


Did you ever hear of Franklin Roosevelt?

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 21:06 | 2549427 Bicycle Repairman
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Yeah, I've heard of FDR and Wilson and Lincoln before him.  If your point is "know your history" = +1.  If it's: "Bush isn't to blame" = -1,000

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:34 | 2543837 FlyoverCountryS...
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Every single day brings a new outrage from this criminal administration.

Yet, CNN has yet to show IT'S OWN 2007 video of Obama saying on Larry King that the whole idea of 'Executive Privilege' Was a farce.

I wonder why???


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 21:48 | 2545766 Hive Raid
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Well, Malcolm O did just launch his black voter campaign ad "We've got your back."

True, given that he walked away from the slam dunk case against the New Black Panthers on blatant voter intimidation. And now high-yella brotha Holder gets his propers after murdering an American border agent and who knows how many Mexicans.

Black gangstas and Jews running the country... what could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:59 | 2543410 canardo
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So transparent, it's like it's not even there ...

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:21 | 2543188 SilverTree
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It's like a brown filter over everything.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2543434 jayman21
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I still do not see the trees and flowers being planted.  The Chicago way goes two ways.   This is only going one way.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:17 | 2543147 Azannoth
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It's funny how all the Presidents and most politicians have alleged skeletons in their closets ie.

did Bush doge the Vietnam draft ?

did Clinton have an affair with an intern ?

did Nixon knew about Watergate ?

but Obamba BLOWS everybody out of the water with his

is he a natural born citizen

is he Muslim

is/was he an Indonesian citizen

is he Gay

is his Birth Certificate real

is his Social Security Number real

was/is he an asset of the CIA

was/is he using narcotics and to what extent

did he study where he says he studied, without any records and any proof

why does he keep ALL his past records classified

etc. etc.

If there ever was a Manchurian Candidate in the White House he HAS to be IT

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:23 | 2543207 Bastiat
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You left out his Selective Service registration which is the most obviously forged document made available--a mis-aligned Post Office stamp with a 2 digit rather thatn 4 digit date??  "80" instead of "1980."

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:10 | 2543461 aerojet
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Does anyone really need more proof that the executive branch of the US government has been completely captured by the elite?  Obama is a cut-out, it is 100% obvious that both he (and Bush, for that matter) were nothing but puppets dancing on strings. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:02 | 2544328 Bastiat
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. . . or more proof of just what the news media has become?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:17 | 2543766 icanhasbailout
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Also his Social Security number belongs to a deceased relative of his wife (Harrison J Bounel)

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:54 | 2543973 Bastiat
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I knew it was a Connecticut SS number of a deceased person and that neither he nor his parents ever lived in CT but I was not aware of the connection to Michele.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:04 | 2544030 icanhasbailout
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It's amazing, whever you think you see the bottom of the rabbit hole, there's always another turn

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:24 | 2543209 Manthong
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I'm with you on this, except your first point..

I'm no fan of Bush but National Guard service was no more dodging the draft than taking a legal tax deduction is tax evasion (V avoidance).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:08 | 2544056 FeralSerf
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What about Romney's Mormon "missionary service"?  Would you consider that dodging the draft?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:00 | 2544325 Bastiat
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When you use family priviledge to get to the front of the line for the Texas Air National Guard, maybe it's not "draft dodging" but it's something else that doesn't smell too nice. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:51 | 2544835 prole
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Using family influence and pulling strings to keep your children safe and one million miles from the battlefield, while children of the NOT rich-and-famous are kidnapped and sent overseas to have their heads blown off.

Works the same in any country.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:26 | 2543228 Marginal Call
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A lot of those apply to Bush.  Gay?  probably.  Narcotics?  You bet.  CIA?  Maybe.  Did he study what he says?  Bush didn't study, see narcotics and gay questions.


Everyone of the inbred fucks that came before him has just as many skeletons.  Y'all just hate this guy extra. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:45 | 2543344 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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At least the inbred fucks know who their father was.

Barrack Hussein Obama is not the biological child of Barrack Obama a natural born kenyan. 

Barrack Hussein Obama is the biological child of Frank Marshal Davis.

Why would a person do this? Is he ashamed of his father, Frank?



Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:11 | 2543467 Marginal Call
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Do you guys realize how fucking loony you look when a dem is in the white house?  It was just as bad with Clintoon.  Fucking nutters going crazy everywhere.  Where were y'all when Saint Ronny and Ollie were running drugs and guns and starting little wars and revolutions?


It's one big criminal gang.  O is no different than the others.  Or were you expecting hope and change? 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:19 | 2543506 DaveyJones
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each president will get exponentially worse and controlled until this place blows

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:25 | 2543533 Marginal Call
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This seems likely.  But I'd argue it's the perception that is worse for two reasons:  the speed of information and rumors today, and each is inheriting a more out of control situation than the prior.  IOW the job is getting harder and harder to keep the lid on, and we are getting the same caliber crook. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2543666 12ToothAssassin
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+13908754983475983 to this thread

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:33 | 2543811 DaveyJones
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agree and this is exacty why (1) the executive will become more and more dependent on criminal international gigantic structures that created these problems and have huge interests in hiding, denying and deflecting them and (2) out of "necessity," the executive will justify exponential erosion of the bill of rights and true capitalism

See: (a) histories of most empires and mix with it (b) the rapidly depleting world resources

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:15 | 2544094 FeralSerf
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"No different" is a stretch, but I agree about them being part of the big criminal gang.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:31 | 2543819 Yardfarmer
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in an age where personal political fabrication and obfuscation are the norm, the computer generated freeze dried doppelganger Obama/Soetero/Davis ?? is a living monument to falsity.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2543476 aerojet
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Since when was Bush gay?  His father was/is CIA, so of course he is, too.  Bush's national guard stint was based on privilege, which is not unusual for the DC crowd.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2544018 Bastiat
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Jeff Gannon.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2543289 ExploitTheMarket
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a few other "skeletons"

Obama started a few "pot-smoking trends" among his high-school friends

He also got into a car accident during a drag race with the "Choom Gang"

Obama thanked his drug dealer in his high school yearbook

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:43 | 2543330 overmedicatedun...
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I used to call them bushbots and now obumabots are all over this thread..the simple fact is this guy who ever he is barry or AKA's is breaking what was US law right and left..D AND R's trolls we face else where on the net too bad we have em on ZH like flies on shit.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:01 | 2543418 Lucky Guesst
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"Obama thanked his drug dealer in his high school yearbook"

that is classic lol

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:15 | 2543485 aerojet
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It's a stupid thing to bring up at all.  Plenty of people have high school yearbooks with dumb things written in them, me included.  What you did and who you were at age 18 has nothing to do with the adult you became later.  Only boring people are completely clean.  And come on, we're talking pot smoking here, it's not like Obama was the school heroin dealer! 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2543587 Lucky Guesst
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Even IF I had a drug dealer in high school, I was at least smart enough to know better than associating myself with him publicly. Even as a dumb 18 year old I knew I would have to answer to my children and my childrens children. Better safe than sorry!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:07 | 2544358 BooMushroom
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...and maybe a little blow.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:39 | 2543305 Jake88
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and all this was known or should have been by the idiots who voted him in.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:03 | 2543428 Lucky Guesst
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Yeah but I voted for McCain and I'm pretty sure I would feel just as stupid for giving him my vote as O's supporters should be now.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:14 | 2543484 Floordawg
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+1 for fessin' up. I'd give you another for learning from your mistakes (a seemingly rare trait) if i could.

Welcome to the real world!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:22 | 2543524 DaveyJones
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yes Keating Five vs. Kenyan won pretty much sums up our corrupt political reality

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:29 | 2543554 pods
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Shit, I got y'all beat. I voted for a Cracker with a porno stash!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:31 | 2543564 Chump
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If you vote at all anymore you're an idiot.

If you were given the option to ingest cyanide or aresenic, what would you choose?  Neither, of course.  Yet we allow assholes to tell us it's a our "patriotic duty" to vote for which bag of shit smells the least offensive.

Withdraw all consent, stop paying taxes, stop spending money except on life necessities.  Pay down all debt.  Accumulate savings in whatever form you deem appropriate for your situation.  Then you're actually casting a meaningful ballot that says, "Fuck all of you clowns.  EABODADIAF!"

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:47 | 2543348 Yes We Can. But...
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Has BHO been lying all along about who his biological father is:

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:05 | 2543427 bobnoxy
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Incredible that as much as McCain and Hillary wanted to be president, both campaigns missed out on all this dirt about Obama. And that Fox News missed it too.

Incredible alright. As in, not credible. As in, unbelievable that nutbags and dolts still fixate on all this conspiracy horseshit.

If any of it was real, I'd have bet one of those two campaigns would have found out about it and used it. Oh no, wait, I see where you're going. The fucking Bildebergs told them not to, right?

Utterly grim.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2543496 Silverhog
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Remember how they poured over every inch of George W's national guard records looking for any chance he may have missed a few weeks of service. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2543611 Bob
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That's what got Dan Rather fired.  I saw him interviewed recently, sorry to have left his fly open on the way it rolled out, but perfectly clear that the record itself was exactly as he said, fwiw.  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2543772 knightowl77
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Oi Vay..."Fake, but true"   LMAO

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:47 | 2544556 eatthebanksters
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at least Clinton got a blow job...even if she was ugly!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | 2543172 AlaricBalth
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"The right of the president of the United States to withhold information from Congress or the courts."

Historically, presidents have used the right of executive privilege when they have information they want to keep confidential, either because it would jeopardize national (governmentsecurity or because disclosure would be contrary to the interests of the Executive branch(es re-election campaign).

Obama asserting his neo-Nixonian rights. What a joke!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:35 | 2543285 rwe2late
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 Having ANY government secrets jeopardizes the democratic basis for constituting a government,

and one that deems itself a republic is especially no exception.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:46 | 2543347 bdc63
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and to add insult to injury, the White House will tell the media not to cover this, and they won't.

total farce.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2543352 divide_by_zero
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Big difference here is that people died from the weapons they let go during Fast and Furious.

ICE agent Jaime Zapata was killed while investigating F&F with an F&F gun, BP agent Brain Terry killed with an F&F gun and perhaps one other agent plus a batch of Mexicans by the Zetas cartel.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2543769 prodigious_idea
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Without counting the blood & treasure given by the US.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:41 | 2543900 silverserfer
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people die in wars dunbfuck. tracking guns through mexico was not a bad idea. the cartels would have had PLENTY of guns without fast and furious. The conservatives in this thread are really starting to sound like whinny little bitches. The devices in the gus let the agents to the cartels stongholds.

In WAR if two people die on your side and 18 die on the other side thats considered a sucessful battle.  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:00 | 2543999 Ms. Erable
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So you're asserting that the DEA has the authority to declare and wage war on behalf of the USA? Hmmm... I don't fucking think so.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:18 | 2547303 Overfed
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Dude. There were no tracking devices in any of the guns in the F&F operation. None. Zero. Nada. NO attempt was made whatsoever to track any gun in F&F.

Think about this; Pablo Escobar. One of the richest men in the world, with billions of dollars in cash, his own air force and navy. Do you really think he sent flunkies over the border to US gun shops to buy neutered, overpriced, civilian semi-autos? Not fuckin' likely, dude. When you have the resources of a major drug lord, you go to the source and buy the good stuff at wholesale. Or take a few shipments of US military weapons straight from Hitlery's State Dept.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:18 | 2544127 Calmyourself
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Thousands and thousands of Mexicans died, drug trafficers and innocent bystanders, but no worries they were all brown..  Right, right....

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:16 | 2543759 Ms. Erable
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Calvinball rules, bitchez.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2543295 johnQpublic
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checks and balances bitchez!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:39 | 2543298 RobD
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Obama was in on the plan and there is proof in the docs and that is why he asserted exec priv. He pretty much admitted it to the Brady bunch:



Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:39 | 2543301 El Viejo
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Divine Right.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543307 LongSoupLine
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I absolutely fucking hate the American voting public, and the corrupt voting "process". When you get assholes like this president, the past one and complete fucking hoodtards like Maxine Waters in CA and Marion Barry in DC, you just want to bitch slap the entire population into next week.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2543355 azzhatter
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Amen brother- my disgust for the idiot in chief is only superceded by my disgust for my fellow citizens who have let this country decline into a banana republic.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:08 | 2543367 Bob
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It's all the same story.  Issa's office is a revolving door outlet for The Squid.  Seems that's all you ever get when local people vote their perceived local interests in "contests" confined to the red/blue "battlefield." 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2543748 Little John
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You sound a little bitter. Why don't you come on to Texas and help us gain our independence. We gonna start fresh. Yall all come.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:17 | 2544114 Lednbrass
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That would certainly be a good thing, if Texas went the rest of the South would go along for the ride in a heartbeat.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:32 | 2544506 CoolBeans
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Florida here...well, at least in the more southern north part....I think most people here would be on board with that!

Time to lop off the U.S. at the Mason-Dixon line....or higher.

Why is it in FL, the more north you go, the more south it gets?  Doesn't matter.  Most of the folks around here have good old fashioned values and are not happy with the changes in the USSA.


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:13 | 2544386 FeralSerf
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It's just Cause and Effect.  The "American voting public" has been thoroughly and effectively brain-washed and condition from the time they were old enough to watch cartoons on the teevee.  This brain-washing has been done by scientifically by professionals and was very expensive.  But "it was worth it", if you're a member of The Elite.  The "American voting public" is nothing but a bunch of zombies. Bernays, Freud's nephew was an expert in crowd behavior.  He was the founder of the modern and very effective American advertizing industry.  They are the reason we buy stuff (and people) we really don't need or want.

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it."

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the public is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country." Edward Bernays

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2543431 Taterboy
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My question is: Is Obama a Crip or a Blood?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:30 | 2543558 shovelhead
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His white half is KKK. Being everything to everybody can be confusing sometimes.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:17 | 2544120 Lednbrass
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His white half is KKK?

What a bizarre statement.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:28 | 2544181 Calmyourself
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Bizarre?  He aparently has no problem if brown people are killed using Fast & Furious to convey weapons to the cartels with no tracking ever done..  Only brave ATF agents telling the truth ever brought this to light..  That assertion in light of the facts is not so bizarre..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:27 | 2543544 Abiotic Oil
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This was Obama's attempt at "under the radar" gun control.  He was just waiting to read his teleprompter, "This proves all the guns used by drug cartels to kill innocent women and children in both Mexico and the US come from corrupt gun dealers in the US. Therefore, by presidential decree I now declare guns illegal."

I would think illegal international arms dealing and accessory to murder should result in some prosecution of both Obama and Holder... oh wait, that's right, this is the U.S.A.


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2543612 pods
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They went after the guy who used to live three houses down from the house I grew up in.:

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:53 | 2543679 El Oregonian
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"Sen. Chuck Grassley said in a statement released Wednesday shortly after the president's move. "How can the President assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the President exert executive privilege over documents he's supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme?"

Exactly, how can the W/H claim executive privilege without prior knowledge of the crime? I believe it is big-time jail time for all those dirty stinky criminals.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:19 | 2544434 Zymurguy
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Issa needs to work from the ground up... not from the top down.  The county sherriff in any county in any state has a tremendous amount of legal power at his command.  Issa needs to get the county sherriffs to start issuing warrants for the arrest under the charge of murder of the agents responsible, then work his way up the chain of command until he gets to Holder and Obama.  2nd degree murder charges and some agents in handcuffs will get a lot of folks singing - the executive and judicial branches here have blood on their hands... Officer Terry's blood.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:10 | 2543093 SilverTree
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So fucking corrupt!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:29 | 2543223 Dr. Richard Head
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The complacency of the voters is really what allows for this bullshit to continue.  Look to both sides of the aisle as it relates to the party voters and one can see their obvious “not my party’s fault” mentality. 

Pointing out this piece on gun running to Democrat Party voter will only result in a defense of misdirection on some other tangent of a “Well, Bush did this” rant, thereby rationalizing Obama’s actions through a tit for tat explanation. 

A Republican Party voter, will criticize the Democrats for breaking the rule of law, as they want to take our guns.  They will then, in turn, speak out of the other side of the mouth criticizing the Iran computer virus leaks and ignoring this blatant act of war simply because Iran are the bad guys, nuclear weapons, terrorists, etc. 

The circle arguments are mind numbing and after 5-6 years of trying to get either side to see the light, specifically that no difference exists between these two birds of prey, I have become very comfortable in a place of informed apathy and flying under the radar in any way I can.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543322 DavidC
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I agree with you but how, realistically, can the voters do anything about it? If EVERYONE refused to vote at the next election all it would take is ONE person to do so and the next POTUS would be decided on that. It's dispiriting to see the complete moral bankruptcy these people in power have but it's that which drives them on to seek those positions of power.


Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:52 | 2543377 Dr. Richard Head
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I agree with the one vote part of your statement; however, it is the my party vs. your party mentality that allows people like Obama and Romney to get into office.  Obama came in with the ANYBODY BUT BUSH mantra.  That allowed for D's to dismiss this, that, and the other with Obama. 

Now we have a ANYBODY BUT OBAMA mantra, and a carbon clone of Busbama is making his way to the blessed chair of the POTUS, while R's dismiss this, that, and the other. I guess what I am saying is that principles over party would make a lot of sense.  Just bitching really, I have no solution.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:09 | 2543452 dwdollar
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The election is rigged at various levels. People are stuck in the left-right paradigm because this truth is too painful to acknowledge. They'd rather listen to Limbaugh or Maddow and live a fantasy.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2544438 FeralSerf
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It's the Hegelian Dialectic.  The only way out now is if there's a serious conflict between the members of the Real Power Elites.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:19 | 2543509 aerojet
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Right, so we can't win, better to not play at all.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:59 | 2543705 catacl1sm
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You have to get involved in the left/right paradigm. Take over the parties from the inside.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:19 | 2543771 BlueCollaredOne
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"When you try to change the system from within, its not you who changes the system, its the system that eventually changes you."


Of all people, that quote is from a rapper. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2543802 Iwanttoknow
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Well said,sir.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:36 | 2543853 Lucky Guesst
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Flying under the radar is ok Dick but never stop talking about what you believe. Every day someone wakes up from each side. They really do. I've opened a few eyes and I'm sure you have as well :-)

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:09 | 2543096 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Are we supposed to be surprised?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:15 | 2543138 dwdollar
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You're suppose to be... So when the rigged election "selects" Romney you won't be agitated as he's surely better than Obama.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:20 | 2543180 IAmNotMark
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Well...he is better than Obama.  TweedleDee is better than TweedleDum.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2543255 dwdollar
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Maybe the idiots should actually read about Fast and Furious and learn it's precursor started under BushCo.

What people should be wondering is why this went on for so long without one fucking whistle blower? Yeah, your bureaucracy is that fucking corrupt folks. The bureaucracy is a bigger threat to you than some dumb-ass puppet in a rigged election. But go ahead and pretend it's not so bad. That's what Americans are best at doing.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:38 | 2543300 pupton
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Not trying to start a "Bush's fault" debate with you, as a previous poster explained beautifully.  However, using Wikipedia as a source for political information is just assinine.  Wikipedia has a tangible democrat/left wing bias.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543310 dwdollar
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I know, the dinosaur media is so much better. They can't possible have any bias.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:27 | 2543543 knightowl77
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mmmmmmmmmm How many guns actually walked under "Wide Receiver"?


"Fast & Furious" sent guns across the border without notification to the mexican authorities and actually resulted in 2 deaths here and hundreds of deaths in Mexico.

In this operation some 2000 guns went across the border without being tracked, some 600 are still missing...How you or Eric Holder can compare the 2 operations is beyond belief.....Absurdity

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2543651 my puppy for prez
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Don't you understand that our govt. IS a criminal mafia?  That they have been funding black ops forever by drug and weapon deals?  Why are the Mexican cartels still in business while flanked by the "best military and intelligence in the world"?

Why?  Because the cartels work hand-in-hand with the alphabet agencies, who are their ultimate bosses!

It doesn't matter WHICH party is in office....this is the way the global cartel works.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2543670 Marginal Call
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So is it guns that kill people, or people that kill people?  


And 600 missing guns?  Who gives a fuck.  The USA is the largest arms dealer and drug pusher on the planet.  600 is a few thousand short of a gun show. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:22 | 2543785 prodigious_idea
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Exactly.  This is just a case of an irresistable force meeting an immovable object.  Typical political theater that allows Congress to avoid the important issues.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2543804 knightowl77
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the point was/is that the two operations are different...One tracked guns with the Mexican gov't's knowledge...the other sent guns across the border w/o the mexican Gov't's knowledge and people died as a result....

Fast & Furious was designed from the beginning to justify the clamping down on legitimate gun sales in the USA...A black flag op to scale back my and your 2nd Amend rights...


HUGE Difference....


As to your moral equivalence BS, STFU

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:40 | 2544232 Marginal Call
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Hey buddy, whenever gun control legislation comes up the whole NRA crowd comes around and says guns are just a tool.  Guns don't kill people, remember.  But the ATF loses track of some guns in a sting and now they are murderers.


You guys are making the same argument as the gun control lobby.  That it's the provider of the weapon and not the user who is responsible.  You just hate guy so much you want to hang him for whatever you think can stick. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:33 | 2544509 FeralSerf
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The ATF knew this was against the law in Mexico.  When the shoe was on the other foot and Pancho Villa was dealing in weapons and had a disagreement with his supplier that turned violent in Columbus, NM the U.S. Army invaded Mexico.  Americans considered it an act of war then.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:02 | 2545260 Marginal Call
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We're America.  The only sovierngty we respect is our own.  You think we give a fuck about Mexico?  We're wrecking it with our drug war so the Cocaine Importing Agency can run the biggest racket in history.


You guys are trying to hand out speeding tickets at Daytona. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:44 | 2543632 my puppy for prez
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Actually, Wiki has a definite CIA/MOSSAD front company sort of thing goin' on....

And those folks have only ONE allegiance:  Their globalist criminal dons!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543309 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Seems to be an interesting distinction there, since the Wide Receiver documents aren't receiving the executive privilege.  Why only F&F if it is the same thing and no big deal?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:10 | 2543458 DOT
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Some files are marked with red, some blue.

The blue files will be protected the red files will be in the Washington Post.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:16 | 2543492 dwdollar
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And the idiots will rally around their respective teams. God forbid they admit the same thing happened under two "different" puppets. That would break their false reality.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2543360 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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How long did it take for another Obama dead head to blame Bush.

If Barracky was POTUS 50 years terms he would still be blaming Bush.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:55 | 2543375 dwdollar
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You completely missed the fucking point by a mile.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:41 | 2543622 my puppy for prez
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Agreed.  What's with all the dialectical diatribes here today?  

I think desperation short circuits critical thinking, no?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2544020 Abiotic Oil
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ATF has been been doing everything they can to go after guns (Tax stamps for Class III weapons justified by the interstate commerce clause... really?) since they really lost the "A" in their name after prohibition ended.

Agencies must prosecute and produce "results" in order to grow their budgets.  If there isn't enough actual criminal activity then rig some up.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:51 | 2544218 Calmyourself
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1st your an idiot..  "Wide Receiver" the Bush era program actually tracked guns fucktard...  Fast & Furious never TRACKED THE GUNS YOU ASS..  ATF AGENTS RATTED OUT THEIR OWN BOSSES, why because Fast & Furious never tracked guns the agents in fact were prohibited from following the straw buyers as they left the gun stores where they were purchasing dozens of AK's at a time..  You keep pretending you can discern facts from fiction it is obviously what you think your good at..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2544219 DosZap
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An EO for something HE knew nothing knowledge.

Its called Covering Both Our Asses.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543097 bigdumbnugly
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and does so fastly and furiously.  but not surprisingly.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:10 | 2543101 battle axe
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Can you say Pardon?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | 2543202 Cognitive Dissonance
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Pardon me........but I can't and won't.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2543286 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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+10 C D

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543106 Firing Pin
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Wow. Eric Holder not upholding the law...or the Constitution. I'm "shocked." 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2543291 lesterbegood
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Perhaps he is confused as to which "Constitution" to uphold? (sarc).

There are 2 American constitutions: The Constitution for the united States c.1787; and the corporate construct CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES created by a 3 man commission appointed by corporate President U.B. Grant in 1868, and allegedly ratified in 1871 (The Organic Act).

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:54 | 2545050 12ToothAssassin
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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543108 LMAOLORI
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2543527 Randall Cabot
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"Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History"

What a crock of shit article that is-it had all the usual red herrings (like karl marx was an anti-semite, LOL) to cover for the jew supremacists whose mantra (whether they pose as communists, capitalists, liberals, conservatives, religionists or whatever) is: IS IT GOOD FOR THE JEWS?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543109 midgetrannyporn
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holder, lulz

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:12 | 2543110 John Law Lives
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Yes, there is a choice to be made in November.  This corksoaker HAS to go.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:13 | 2543124 semperfi
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the choice is this:  A) be shot in the face  B) be shot in the nuts

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:30 | 2543254 John Law Lives
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Choosing not to vote is an option if that is what you elect to do.  As for me, I find it absurd that anyone thinks this SOB deserves another term in office.  There is no way Romney would be as thoroughly bad as this imposter.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543287 hedgeless_horseman
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"Yes, there is a choice to be made in November."




Change, vers 2.0

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543318 pupton
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Hmmm...It looks like this guy could possibly be related to Dubya.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2543384 semperfi
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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2543365 John Law Lives
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Nobody said Romney was worth a damn, but he will be the GOP nominee.  Therefore, when November rolls around, registered voters can CHOOSE to vote for a candidate on the ballot, they can CHOOSE to vote for a write-in candidate, or they can CHOOSE not vote at all.  Therefore, every registered voter will make a CHOICE.  I consider any CHOICE that most likely leads to another term in office for Obumble to be a bad CHOICE.

Hey, I supported Ron Paul and I voted for Ron Paul in the Texas GOP Primary.  Ron Paul is not going to be the GOP nominee.  He is most likely not going to run as a Libertarian Party candidate.  He is not going to win as a write-in candidate.  Rand endorsed the presumptive GOP nominee.  Ron and Rand will both make their choices in November.  So will I.  You may choose for yourself.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:06 | 2543436 hedgeless_horseman
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"There is no way Romney would be as thoroughly bad as this imposter."


Hope, vers 2.0

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:08 | 2543446 John Law Lives
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Rand Paul agrees with me.  Will you commit seppuku if Ron Paul also votes for Romney?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:26 | 2543488 hedgeless_horseman
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The presidential elections are way out of any reasonable person's concern, at this point.

I am, however, trying to educate my County Sherrif and Constable as to what the fuck is really going on in this country.  I invite you, fellow Texan, to take your's out for lunch and do the same.

You can start by showing him or her the above video, then read and discuss this letter about The Inflation Tax.

Peace, pardner.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2543576 John Law Lives
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"I invite you, fellow Texan, to take your's out for lunch and do the same." - h_h

That is a fine idea, but I seriously doubt Sheriff Lupe Valdez is willing to listen to reason from any of us regulars on the ZH forum.  I still can't believe she was elected for the job...

Peace, out.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2543607 hedgeless_horseman
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Start with your constable, for whom a $100 campaign contribution is a big deal.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2543606 my puppy for prez
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Considering your true wisdom, it is an honor and a pleasure to call you a fellow Texan.  You make the state just a little better just by being here.  I like your approach, and non-delusional philosophy!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2543499 Lucky Guesst
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Gary Johnson 2012!!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2543588 John Law Lives
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That is a choice.  His political principles are superior (imo) to Romney's and Obumble's.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2543735 Lucky Guesst
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That is who I am choosing. Gary Johnson would do less harm to me personaly than Obama has or Romney would. His views best match what I believe.

GARY JOHNSON 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2544446 icanhasbailout
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If you take a close look at Gary Johnson you see his differences with Obamney are less a matter of kind than a matter of degree. His key difference with them is "cost-effectiveness", not principles.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:16 | 2544680 John Law Lives
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Good luck finding a man/woman of principles that can get elected to be POTUS.  The chips are stacked heavily against them.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 06:48 | 2550174 icanhasbailout
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Events will force a choice between a real reformer and a dictator, as real world systems break down under the pressure of exponential growth demands upon them. It just might be worth your time to help steer things down the right path, no matter how long the odds are.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2543663 GMadScientist
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"Ron and Rand will both make their choices in November.  So will I."

Whatever helps you sleep a little longer, I guess.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:51 | 2543372 CURWAR2012
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That picture is the scariest shit out there!

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