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Obama Asserts Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Fiasco

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If there was any confusion whether Obama is in fact Bush, or maybe even Nixon, this has now been squashed. From Fox:

President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House. The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.

Holder, whose guilt is implicitly proven by this action, is now likely absolved of everything as the TOTUS has effectively onboarded all of his "balance sheet risk." And why not. The Fed does it for everyone else every day.

As a reminder, from the WSJ:

A showdown Wednesday in the House between Attorney General Eric Holder and Rep. Darrell Issa comes down to this: Who will blink first in a dispute over Justice Department documents Mr. Issa is demanding related to the botched Fast and Furious gun-trafficking probe?

 

California Republican Mr. Issa is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and he has called a 10 a.m. meeting of his panel to vote on a resolution to sanction Mr. Holder with contempt of Congress. The two men held a meeting Tuesday that lasted only 20 minutes. And from their accounts, it has become a game of chicken, with each side insisting the other act first to resolve the standoff.

 

Mr. Holder said Mr. Issa rejected his offer to provide documents because the lawmaker wouldn't agree that they would fulfill the subpoena, effectively ending the contempt threat. Mr. Issa said the attorney general didn't come prepared to provide documents and that the contempt threat can't be removed until the documents are produced.

 

At issue are Justice Department documents that Mr. Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) have sought and that the department resisted turning over in the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious. The department said the documents reflected internal deliberation or were related to continuing criminal investigations and therefore weren't subject to congressional subpoena.

 

If a majority of the committee votes for contempt Wednesday, the matter then could be taken up by the full House. If the House votes in favor, then a contempt citation could be referred to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, an appointee of President Barack Obama who is in Mr. Holder's chain of command. And then things become legally more uncertain. It isn't clear if Congress can compel an executive-branch official to prosecute the attorney general. In the Bush administration, the House voted to hold White House officials in contempt in a similar documents dispute and the Bush-appointed attorney general ordered the U.S. attorney to disregard it. The matter was eventually settled with the production of documents before a civil-court battle ran its course.

 

The main issue in Fast and Furious remains the contention by Messrs. Issa and Grassley that the Justice Department is improperly withholding documents. The department has turned over thousands of documents—about 7,000 or 8,000, depending on which side is counting—and says it is being forthcoming. By comparison, the inspector general has had access to about 80,000 documents, including those the department has declined to share with lawmakers.

 

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The matter has become a political fight, with little real impact on Mr. Holder, who is expected to serve out his tenure through the end of the current administration in January. Democrats accuse Republicans of using the contempt measure as a political tool against Mr. Holder and the president. Democrats did some of the same against President George W. Bush's attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, who resigned under pressure in a controversy over the firings of U.S. attorneys.

And now back to your regularly scheduled farce of a democratic republic.

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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:05 | 2543427 bobnoxy
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Incredible that as much as McCain and Hillary wanted to be president, both campaigns missed out on all this dirt about Obama. And that Fox News missed it too.

Incredible alright. As in, not credible. As in, unbelievable that nutbags and dolts still fixate on all this conspiracy horseshit.

If any of it was real, I'd have bet one of those two campaigns would have found out about it and used it. Oh no, wait, I see where you're going. The fucking Bildebergs told them not to, right?

Utterly grim.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2543496 Silverhog
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Remember how they poured over every inch of George W's national guard records looking for any chance he may have missed a few weeks of service. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2543611 Bob
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That's what got Dan Rather fired.  I saw him interviewed recently, sorry to have left his fly open on the way it rolled out, but perfectly clear that the record itself was exactly as he said, fwiw.  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2543772 knightowl77
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Oi Vay..."Fake, but true"   LMAO

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:47 | 2544556 eatthebanksters
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at least Clinton got a blow job...even if she was ugly!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | 2543172 AlaricBalth
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"The right of the president of the United States to withhold information from Congress or the courts."

Historically, presidents have used the right of executive privilege when they have information they want to keep confidential, either because it would jeopardize national (governmentsecurity or because disclosure would be contrary to the interests of the Executive branch(es re-election campaign).

Obama asserting his neo-Nixonian rights. What a joke!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:35 | 2543285 rwe2late
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 Having ANY government secrets jeopardizes the democratic basis for constituting a government,

and one that deems itself a republic is especially no exception.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:46 | 2543347 bdc63
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and to add insult to injury, the White House will tell the media not to cover this, and they won't.

total farce.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2543352 divide_by_zero
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Big difference here is that people died from the weapons they let go during Fast and Furious.

ICE agent Jaime Zapata was killed while investigating F&F with an F&F gun, BP agent Brain Terry killed with an F&F gun and perhaps one other agent plus a batch of Mexicans by the Zetas cartel.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2543769 prodigious_idea
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Without counting the blood & treasure given by the US.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:41 | 2543900 silverserfer
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people die in wars dunbfuck. tracking guns through mexico was not a bad idea. the cartels would have had PLENTY of guns without fast and furious. The conservatives in this thread are really starting to sound like whinny little bitches. The devices in the gus let the agents to the cartels stongholds.

In WAR if two people die on your side and 18 die on the other side thats considered a sucessful battle.  

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:00 | 2543999 Ms. Erable
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So you're asserting that the DEA has the authority to declare and wage war on behalf of the USA? Hmmm... I don't fucking think so.

Thu, 06/21/2012 - 11:18 | 2547303 Overfed
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Dude. There were no tracking devices in any of the guns in the F&F operation. None. Zero. Nada. NO attempt was made whatsoever to track any gun in F&F.

Think about this; Pablo Escobar. One of the richest men in the world, with billions of dollars in cash, his own air force and navy. Do you really think he sent flunkies over the border to US gun shops to buy neutered, overpriced, civilian semi-autos? Not fuckin' likely, dude. When you have the resources of a major drug lord, you go to the source and buy the good stuff at wholesale. Or take a few shipments of US military weapons straight from Hitlery's State Dept.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:18 | 2544127 Calmyourself
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Thousands and thousands of Mexicans died, drug trafficers and innocent bystanders, but no worries they were all brown..  Right, right....

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:16 | 2543759 Ms. Erable
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Calvinball rules, bitchez.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2543295 johnQpublic
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checks and balances bitchez!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:39 | 2543298 RobD
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Obama was in on the plan and there is proof in the docs and that is why he asserted exec priv. He pretty much admitted it to the Brady bunch:

 

http://patdollard.com/2011/05/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-th...

 

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:39 | 2543301 El Viejo
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Divine Right.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543307 LongSoupLine
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I absolutely fucking hate the American voting public, and the corrupt voting "process". When you get assholes like this president, the past one and complete fucking hoodtards like Maxine Waters in CA and Marion Barry in DC, you just want to bitch slap the entire population into next week.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2543355 azzhatter
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Amen brother- my disgust for the idiot in chief is only superceded by my disgust for my fellow citizens who have let this country decline into a banana republic.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:08 | 2543367 Bob
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It's all the same story.  Issa's office is a revolving door outlet for The Squid.  Seems that's all you ever get when local people vote their perceived local interests in "contests" confined to the red/blue "battlefield." 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2543748 Little John
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You sound a little bitter. Why don't you come on to Texas and help us gain our independence. We gonna start fresh. Yall all come.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:17 | 2544114 Lednbrass
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That would certainly be a good thing, if Texas went the rest of the South would go along for the ride in a heartbeat.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:32 | 2544506 CoolBeans
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Florida here...well, at least in the more southern north part....I think most people here would be on board with that!

Time to lop off the U.S. at the Mason-Dixon line....or higher.

Why is it in FL, the more north you go, the more south it gets?  Doesn't matter.  Most of the folks around here have good old fashioned values and are not happy with the changes in the USSA.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:13 | 2544386 FeralSerf
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It's just Cause and Effect.  The "American voting public" has been thoroughly and effectively brain-washed and condition from the time they were old enough to watch cartoons on the teevee.  This brain-washing has been done by scientifically by professionals and was very expensive.  But "it was worth it", if you're a member of The Elite.  The "American voting public" is nothing but a bunch of zombies. Bernays, Freud's nephew was an expert in crowd behavior.  He was the founder of the modern and very effective American advertizing industry.  They are the reason we buy stuff (and people) we really don't need or want.

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it."

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the public is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country." Edward Bernays

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2543431 Taterboy
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My question is: Is Obama a Crip or a Blood?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:30 | 2543558 shovelhead
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Both.

His white half is KKK. Being everything to everybody can be confusing sometimes.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:17 | 2544120 Lednbrass
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His white half is KKK?

What a bizarre statement.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:28 | 2544181 Calmyourself
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Bizarre?  He aparently has no problem if brown people are killed using Fast & Furious to convey weapons to the cartels with no tracking ever done..  Only brave ATF agents telling the truth ever brought this to light..  That assertion in light of the facts is not so bizarre..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:27 | 2543544 Abiotic Oil
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This was Obama's attempt at "under the radar" gun control.  He was just waiting to read his teleprompter, "This proves all the guns used by drug cartels to kill innocent women and children in both Mexico and the US come from corrupt gun dealers in the US. Therefore, by presidential decree I now declare guns illegal."

I would think illegal international arms dealing and accessory to murder should result in some prosecution of both Obama and Holder... oh wait, that's right, this is the U.S.A.

 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2543612 pods
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They went after the guy who used to live three houses down from the house I grew up in.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkis_Soghanalian

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:53 | 2543679 El Oregonian
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"Sen. Chuck Grassley said in a statement released Wednesday shortly after the president's move. "How can the President assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the President exert executive privilege over documents he's supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme?"

Exactly, how can the W/H claim executive privilege without prior knowledge of the crime? I believe it is big-time jail time for all those dirty stinky criminals.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:19 | 2544434 Zymurguy
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Issa needs to work from the ground up... not from the top down.  The county sherriff in any county in any state has a tremendous amount of legal power at his command.  Issa needs to get the county sherriffs to start issuing warrants for the arrest under the charge of murder of the agents responsible, then work his way up the chain of command until he gets to Holder and Obama.  2nd degree murder charges and some agents in handcuffs will get a lot of folks singing - the executive and judicial branches here have blood on their hands... Officer Terry's blood.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:10 | 2543093 SilverTree
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So fucking corrupt!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:29 | 2543223 Dr. Richard Head
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The complacency of the voters is really what allows for this bullshit to continue.  Look to both sides of the aisle as it relates to the party voters and one can see their obvious “not my party’s fault” mentality. 

Pointing out this piece on gun running to Democrat Party voter will only result in a defense of misdirection on some other tangent of a “Well, Bush did this” rant, thereby rationalizing Obama’s actions through a tit for tat explanation. 

A Republican Party voter, will criticize the Democrats for breaking the rule of law, as they want to take our guns.  They will then, in turn, speak out of the other side of the mouth criticizing the Iran computer virus leaks and ignoring this blatant act of war simply because Iran are the bad guys, nuclear weapons, terrorists, etc. 

The circle arguments are mind numbing and after 5-6 years of trying to get either side to see the light, specifically that no difference exists between these two birds of prey, I have become very comfortable in a place of informed apathy and flying under the radar in any way I can.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543322 DavidC
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Dick,
I agree with you but how, realistically, can the voters do anything about it? If EVERYONE refused to vote at the next election all it would take is ONE person to do so and the next POTUS would be decided on that. It's dispiriting to see the complete moral bankruptcy these people in power have but it's that which drives them on to seek those positions of power.

DavidC

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:52 | 2543377 Dr. Richard Head
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I agree with the one vote part of your statement; however, it is the my party vs. your party mentality that allows people like Obama and Romney to get into office.  Obama came in with the ANYBODY BUT BUSH mantra.  That allowed for D's to dismiss this, that, and the other with Obama. 

Now we have a ANYBODY BUT OBAMA mantra, and a carbon clone of Busbama is making his way to the blessed chair of the POTUS, while R's dismiss this, that, and the other. I guess what I am saying is that principles over party would make a lot of sense.  Just bitching really, I have no solution.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:09 | 2543452 dwdollar
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The election is rigged at various levels. People are stuck in the left-right paradigm because this truth is too painful to acknowledge. They'd rather listen to Limbaugh or Maddow and live a fantasy.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2544438 FeralSerf
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It's the Hegelian Dialectic.  The only way out now is if there's a serious conflict between the members of the Real Power Elites.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:19 | 2543509 aerojet
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Right, so we can't win, better to not play at all.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:59 | 2543705 catacl1sm
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You have to get involved in the left/right paradigm. Take over the parties from the inside.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:19 | 2543771 BlueCollaredOne
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"When you try to change the system from within, its not you who changes the system, its the system that eventually changes you."

 

Of all people, that quote is from a rapper. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2543802 Iwanttoknow
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Well said,sir.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:36 | 2543853 Lucky Guesst
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Flying under the radar is ok Dick but never stop talking about what you believe. Every day someone wakes up from each side. They really do. I've opened a few eyes and I'm sure you have as well :-)

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:09 | 2543096 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Are we supposed to be surprised?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:15 | 2543138 dwdollar
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You're suppose to be... So when the rigged election "selects" Romney you won't be agitated as he's surely better than Obama.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:20 | 2543180 IAmNotMark
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Well...he is better than Obama.  TweedleDee is better than TweedleDum.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2543255 dwdollar
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Maybe the idiots should actually read about Fast and Furious and learn it's precursor started under BushCo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

What people should be wondering is why this went on for so long without one fucking whistle blower? Yeah, your bureaucracy is that fucking corrupt folks. The bureaucracy is a bigger threat to you than some dumb-ass puppet in a rigged election. But go ahead and pretend it's not so bad. That's what Americans are best at doing.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:38 | 2543300 pupton
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Not trying to start a "Bush's fault" debate with you, as a previous poster explained beautifully.  However, using Wikipedia as a source for political information is just assinine.  Wikipedia has a tangible democrat/left wing bias.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!