Obama Asserts Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Fiasco

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If there was any confusion whether Obama is in fact Bush, or maybe even Nixon, this has now been squashed. From Fox:

President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House. The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.

Holder, whose guilt is implicitly proven by this action, is now likely absolved of everything as the TOTUS has effectively onboarded all of his "balance sheet risk." And why not. The Fed does it for everyone else every day.

As a reminder, from the WSJ:

A showdown Wednesday in the House between Attorney General Eric Holder and Rep. Darrell Issa comes down to this: Who will blink first in a dispute over Justice Department documents Mr. Issa is demanding related to the botched Fast and Furious gun-trafficking probe?

 

California Republican Mr. Issa is chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and he has called a 10 a.m. meeting of his panel to vote on a resolution to sanction Mr. Holder with contempt of Congress. The two men held a meeting Tuesday that lasted only 20 minutes. And from their accounts, it has become a game of chicken, with each side insisting the other act first to resolve the standoff.

 

Mr. Holder said Mr. Issa rejected his offer to provide documents because the lawmaker wouldn't agree that they would fulfill the subpoena, effectively ending the contempt threat. Mr. Issa said the attorney general didn't come prepared to provide documents and that the contempt threat can't be removed until the documents are produced.

 

At issue are Justice Department documents that Mr. Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) have sought and that the department resisted turning over in the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious. The department said the documents reflected internal deliberation or were related to continuing criminal investigations and therefore weren't subject to congressional subpoena.

 

If a majority of the committee votes for contempt Wednesday, the matter then could be taken up by the full House. If the House votes in favor, then a contempt citation could be referred to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, an appointee of President Barack Obama who is in Mr. Holder's chain of command. And then things become legally more uncertain. It isn't clear if Congress can compel an executive-branch official to prosecute the attorney general. In the Bush administration, the House voted to hold White House officials in contempt in a similar documents dispute and the Bush-appointed attorney general ordered the U.S. attorney to disregard it. The matter was eventually settled with the production of documents before a civil-court battle ran its course.

 

The main issue in Fast and Furious remains the contention by Messrs. Issa and Grassley that the Justice Department is improperly withholding documents. The department has turned over thousands of documents—about 7,000 or 8,000, depending on which side is counting—and says it is being forthcoming. By comparison, the inspector general has had access to about 80,000 documents, including those the department has declined to share with lawmakers.

 

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The matter has become a political fight, with little real impact on Mr. Holder, who is expected to serve out his tenure through the end of the current administration in January. Democrats accuse Republicans of using the contempt measure as a political tool against Mr. Holder and the president. Democrats did some of the same against President George W. Bush's attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, who resigned under pressure in a controversy over the firings of U.S. attorneys.

And now back to your regularly scheduled farce of a democratic republic.

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Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543310 dwdollar
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I know, the dinosaur media is so much better. They can't possible have any bias.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:27 | 2543543 knightowl77
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mmmmmmmmmm How many guns actually walked under "Wide Receiver"?

 

"Fast & Furious" sent guns across the border without notification to the mexican authorities and actually resulted in 2 deaths here and hundreds of deaths in Mexico.

In this operation some 2000 guns went across the border without being tracked, some 600 are still missing...How you or Eric Holder can compare the 2 operations is beyond belief.....Absurdity

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2543651 my puppy for prez
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Don't you understand that our govt. IS a criminal mafia?  That they have been funding black ops forever by drug and weapon deals?  Why are the Mexican cartels still in business while flanked by the "best military and intelligence in the world"?

Why?  Because the cartels work hand-in-hand with the alphabet agencies, who are their ultimate bosses!

It doesn't matter WHICH party is in office....this is the way the global cartel works.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2543670 Marginal Call
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So is it guns that kill people, or people that kill people?  

 

And 600 missing guns?  Who gives a fuck.  The USA is the largest arms dealer and drug pusher on the planet.  600 is a few thousand short of a gun show. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:22 | 2543785 prodigious_idea
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Exactly.  This is just a case of an irresistable force meeting an immovable object.  Typical political theater that allows Congress to avoid the important issues.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:28 | 2543804 knightowl77
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the point was/is that the two operations are different...One tracked guns with the Mexican gov't's knowledge...the other sent guns across the border w/o the mexican Gov't's knowledge and people died as a result....

Fast & Furious was designed from the beginning to justify the clamping down on legitimate gun sales in the USA...A black flag op to scale back my and your 2nd Amend rights...

 

HUGE Difference....

 

As to your moral equivalence BS, STFU

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:40 | 2544232 Marginal Call
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Hey buddy, whenever gun control legislation comes up the whole NRA crowd comes around and says guns are just a tool.  Guns don't kill people, remember.  But the ATF loses track of some guns in a sting and now they are murderers.

 

You guys are making the same argument as the gun control lobby.  That it's the provider of the weapon and not the user who is responsible.  You just hate guy so much you want to hang him for whatever you think can stick. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:33 | 2544509 FeralSerf
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The ATF knew this was against the law in Mexico.  When the shoe was on the other foot and Pancho Villa was dealing in weapons and had a disagreement with his supplier that turned violent in Columbus, NM the U.S. Army invaded Mexico.  Americans considered it an act of war then.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 18:02 | 2545260 Marginal Call
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We're America.  The only sovierngty we respect is our own.  You think we give a fuck about Mexico?  We're wrecking it with our drug war so the Cocaine Importing Agency can run the biggest racket in history.

 

You guys are trying to hand out speeding tickets at Daytona. 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:44 | 2543632 my puppy for prez
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Actually, Wiki has a definite CIA/MOSSAD front company sort of thing goin' on....

And those folks have only ONE allegiance:  Their globalist criminal dons!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543309 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Seems to be an interesting distinction there, since the Wide Receiver documents aren't receiving the executive privilege.  Why only F&F if it is the same thing and no big deal?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:10 | 2543458 DOT
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Some files are marked with red, some blue.

The blue files will be protected the red files will be in the Washington Post.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:16 | 2543492 dwdollar
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And the idiots will rally around their respective teams. God forbid they admit the same thing happened under two "different" puppets. That would break their false reality.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2543360 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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How long did it take for another Obama dead head to blame Bush.

If Barracky was POTUS 50 years terms he would still be blaming Bush.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:55 | 2543375 dwdollar
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Hilarious...

You completely missed the fucking point by a mile.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:41 | 2543622 my puppy for prez
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Agreed.  What's with all the dialectical diatribes here today?  

I think desperation short circuits critical thinking, no?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2544020 Abiotic Oil
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ATF has been been doing everything they can to go after guns (Tax stamps for Class III weapons justified by the interstate commerce clause... really?) since they really lost the "A" in their name after prohibition ended.

Agencies must prosecute and produce "results" in order to grow their budgets.  If there isn't enough actual criminal activity then rig some up.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:51 | 2544218 Calmyourself
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1st your an idiot..  "Wide Receiver" the Bush era program actually tracked guns fucktard...  Fast & Furious never TRACKED THE GUNS YOU ASS..  ATF AGENTS RATTED OUT THEIR OWN BOSSES, why because Fast & Furious never tracked guns the agents in fact were prohibited from following the straw buyers as they left the gun stores where they were purchasing dozens of AK's at a time..  You keep pretending you can discern facts from fiction it is obviously what you think your good at..

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2544219 DosZap
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An EO for something HE knew nothing about..............no knowledge.

Its called Covering Both Our Asses.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543097 bigdumbnugly
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and does so fastly and furiously.  but not surprisingly.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:10 | 2543101 battle axe
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Can you say Pardon?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:22 | 2543202 Cognitive Dissonance
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Pardon me........but I can't and won't.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2543286 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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+10 C D

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543106 Firing Pin
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Wow. Eric Holder not upholding the law...or the Constitution. I'm "shocked." 

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2543291 lesterbegood
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Perhaps he is confused as to which "Constitution" to uphold? (sarc).

There are 2 American constitutions: The Constitution for the united States c.1787; and the corporate construct CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES created by a 3 man commission appointed by corporate President U.B. Grant in 1868, and allegedly ratified in 1871 (The Organic Act).

http://republicoftheunitedstates.org

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 16:54 | 2545050 12ToothAssassin
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Bingo

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543108 LMAOLORI
Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2543527 Randall Cabot
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"Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/"

What a crock of shit article that is-it had all the usual red herrings (like karl marx was an anti-semite, LOL) to cover for the jew supremacists whose mantra (whether they pose as communists, capitalists, liberals, conservatives, religionists or whatever) is: IS IT GOOD FOR THE JEWS?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2543109 midgetrannyporn
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holder, lulz

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:12 | 2543110 John Law Lives
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Yes, there is a choice to be made in November.  This corksoaker HAS to go.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:13 | 2543124 semperfi
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the choice is this:  A) be shot in the face  B) be shot in the nuts

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:30 | 2543254 John Law Lives
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Choosing not to vote is an option if that is what you elect to do.  As for me, I find it absurd that anyone thinks this SOB deserves another term in office.  There is no way Romney would be as thoroughly bad as this imposter.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:40 | 2543287 hedgeless_horseman
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"Yes, there is a choice to be made in November."

 

 

OBOMNEY 2012

Change, vers 2.0

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2543318 pupton
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Hmmm...It looks like this guy could possibly be related to Dubya.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2543384 semperfi
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inbreeding

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2543365 John Law Lives
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Nobody said Romney was worth a damn, but he will be the GOP nominee.  Therefore, when November rolls around, registered voters can CHOOSE to vote for a candidate on the ballot, they can CHOOSE to vote for a write-in candidate, or they can CHOOSE not vote at all.  Therefore, every registered voter will make a CHOICE.  I consider any CHOICE that most likely leads to another term in office for Obumble to be a bad CHOICE.

Hey, I supported Ron Paul and I voted for Ron Paul in the Texas GOP Primary.  Ron Paul is not going to be the GOP nominee.  He is most likely not going to run as a Libertarian Party candidate.  He is not going to win as a write-in candidate.  Rand endorsed the presumptive GOP nominee.  Ron and Rand will both make their choices in November.  So will I.  You may choose for yourself.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:06 | 2543436 hedgeless_horseman
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"There is no way Romney would be as thoroughly bad as this imposter."

OBOMNEY 2012

Hope, vers 2.0

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:08 | 2543446 John Law Lives
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Rand Paul agrees with me.  Will you commit seppuku if Ron Paul also votes for Romney?

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:26 | 2543488 hedgeless_horseman
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The presidential elections are way out of any reasonable person's concern, at this point. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD_ybaXhXno&feature=player_detailpage

I am, however, trying to educate my County Sherrif and Constable as to what the fuck is really going on in this country.  I invite you, fellow Texan, to take your's out for lunch and do the same.

You can start by showing him or her the above video, then read and discuss this letter about The Inflation Tax.

Peace, pardner.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2543576 John Law Lives
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"I invite you, fellow Texan, to take your's out for lunch and do the same." - h_h

That is a fine idea, but I seriously doubt Sheriff Lupe Valdez is willing to listen to reason from any of us regulars on the ZH forum.  I still can't believe she was elected for the job...

Peace, out.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2543607 hedgeless_horseman
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Start with your constable, for whom a $100 campaign contribution is a big deal.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2543606 my puppy for prez
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Considering your true wisdom, it is an honor and a pleasure to call you a fellow Texan.  You make the state just a little better just by being here.  I like your approach, and non-delusional philosophy!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2543499 Lucky Guesst
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Gary Johnson 2012!!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2543588 John Law Lives
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That is a choice.  His political principles are superior (imo) to Romney's and Obumble's.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 12:08 | 2543735 Lucky Guesst
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That is who I am choosing. Gary Johnson would do less harm to me personaly than Obama has or Romney would. His views best match what I believe.

GARY JOHNSON 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2544446 icanhasbailout
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If you take a close look at Gary Johnson you see his differences with Obamney are less a matter of kind than a matter of degree. His key difference with them is "cost-effectiveness", not principles.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 15:16 | 2544680 John Law Lives
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Good luck finding a man/woman of principles that can get elected to be POTUS.  The chips are stacked heavily against them.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 06:48 | 2550174 icanhasbailout
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Events will force a choice between a real reformer and a dictator, as real world systems break down under the pressure of exponential growth demands upon them. It just might be worth your time to help steer things down the right path, no matter how long the odds are.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 11:50 | 2543663 GMadScientist
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"Ron and Rand will both make their choices in November.  So will I."

Whatever helps you sleep a little longer, I guess.

Wed, 06/20/2012 - 10:51 | 2543372 CURWAR2012
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That picture is the scariest shit out there!

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