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Obama Budget: 99 Senators Against, 0 For

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Two months ago, Congress voted down the "Obama budget" by a vote of 414-0. Today, the Senate chimed in. The result was just as definitive. Final outcome, between the Congress and the Senate, a grand total of zero votes were cast for the Obama budget... and a mere 513 against.

From Washington Times:

President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

 

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year.

 

Republicans forced the vote by offering the president's plan on the Senate floor.

 

Democrats disputed that it was actually the president's plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn't actually match Mr. Obama's budget document, which ran thousands of pages. But Republicans said they used all of the president's numbers in the proposal, so it faithfully represented his plan.

 

Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican, even challenged Democrats to point out any errors in the numbers and he would correct them — a challenge no Democrats took up.

 

"A stunning development for the president of the United States in his fourth year in office," Mr. Sessions said of the unanimous opposition.

At this point what is even the point of commenting on these increasingly more surreal developments. When one encounters news like these, what can one say but... "Banana republic". In the meantime, America is in the second, or third year, frankly who is even counting anymore, without any formal budget. But it sure has a very much informal spending program...

 

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Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:38 | 2433599 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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What budget?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:45 | 2433632 LetThemEatRand
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What Senate?  What House?   This is all just pure theater.  The Red Team and Blue Team both share equal blame for bringing us to the abyss.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:51 | 2433645 PivotalTrades
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Why do you deny that the philosphy that the government is the answer is the central plank of the Democrats.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:59 | 2433667 LetThemEatRand
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The Blue Team and the Red Team are both completely captured by the oligarchs.  There is no philosophy, just theater.  George Bush grew government more than the guy before him.  Clinton grew government more than the guy before him.  Bush Sr. grew government more than the guy before him.  Reagan grew government more than the guy before him.  Show me the difference in what they do, not what they say.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:22 | 2433718 CrazyCooter
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... grew government more than the guy before him.

You can continue this trend until ... Eisenhower. I use this trivia often to slap Republican friends around who think the party is about small government.

Regards,

Cooter

DISCLOURE: Registered Republican ... a hard money fiscal conservative.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:28 | 2433739 toady
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Fiscal liberal, social conservative.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:57 | 2433837 Gully Foyle
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toady

Screw social conservativism. I want a public parade of every freaky thing out there.

I crave entertainment.


Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:05 | 2433862 nope-1004
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Definitive proof that Obama is a loser.  As was Bush and all the other bankster appointees.

This ship is going down.  Hopefully the "people" will regain this once free country, because the idiot politicos sure don't want to.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:25 | 2434033 Oh regional Indian
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Looks like someone needs a little Unity in his Government.

And by the way, who IS Valerie Jarret? Why does she sound so familiar and creepy? Whazzup with her? I've read in places that she runs the show.

ori

world

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 03:51 | 2434339 tenpanhandle
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obviously, You are missing that parade as you speak.  "...entertain us!!!" -  Nirvana.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:49 | 2433815 Freddie
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Eisenhower was good and even Reagan was not part of Skull & Bones so poppy tried to wack him and almost succeeded.   It was payback for this too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO2_49TycdE

Both parties suck but Barry and the Dems are even worse.  Name the Ron and Rand Paul of the Dem Party.  At least the GOP has 2 decent patriots.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:55 | 2433831 LetThemEatRand
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Kucinich and Sanders both stand up for Liberty.  

The parties do have differences, which is exactly why even people who see the fraud continue to hold their noses and vote for their Team.  You are a perfect example.  Think about it really hard.  The status quo will not change so long as they are both in charge.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:04 | 2433865 divide_by_zero
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They stand for statism masquerading as liberty, nothing there.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:17 | 2433899 LetThemEatRand
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Some of us -- including the Founding Fathers of the United States -- believe you can have both a State and Liberty, and indeed that you need one to have the other.  

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 00:21 | 2434125 CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's what Ayn Rand believed. Of course she was wrong about that.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:44 | 2433957 TMT
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Sanders is a self proclaimed socialist. Socialism does not = liberty you fucking statist.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:01 | 2433856 Gully Foyle
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Freddie

Many years ago C-SPAN had one of the Texas conspiracy guys on.

He claimed that Reagan wanted to investigate the Tri-Lateral commision, one of the big conspiracy groups of the time if not this specific one. That Reagan made public speeches to that effect.

Then at the Republican convention TPTB forced Poppy on Ronny to shut him up.

Thus the anger.

Remember that the Bushes were NEVER allowed in the Reagans quarters at the white house.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:13 | 2433890 Freddie
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+1

Reagan did not trust Poppy.   If you watch video and look at pictures of 1976 Convention - Reagan lost the floor fight to Ford. Reagan gave an incredible speech - the crowd was having buyers remorse from it too.  Reagan turned down Ford's offer to be VP.  On stage you will see Ford and his family applauding Reagan with tri-Lateral's brother Nelson Rockefeller standing right there.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission

I don't think Reagan was an oligarch stooge because they tried to get rid of him.  Everyone after him - is a stooge.

VP's wacking Presidents was nothing new. Just ask LBJ.  Who got insanely rich(er) off Vietnam?  If you search around YouTube you will find a video by a smart older guy who did metal spectometry or something.  He did detailed analysis and found the JFK kill shot came from a sewer grate. He had it down to the actual spot.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:20 | 2433905 LetThemEatRand
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You can believe what you want about Reagan, but he started the deficit machine and massively grew government during his eight years.  He did give a good speech, though. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:37 | 2433942 Bring the Gold
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He was more or less a zombie after the assassination attempt. Poppy had 12 years.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:59 | 2433975 Ookspay
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Obviously, you are under 40, age or IQ, you pick!

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 00:27 | 2434138 CrockettAlmanac.com
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"Since he has no program and no ideology to offer, his likeliest motive for entering the Presidential race is power lust.''-- Ayn Rand on the candidacy of Ronald Reagan

 

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/07/obituaries/07randobit.html

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 07:40 | 2434564 kralizec
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Reagan = Deficits, nice, right out of the MFM phrasebook word for word! 

If you bothered to check the facts, or better yet lived through them as I did you would know that it was the DemonRats in Congress that "promised" cuts that never came so Reagan could have his tax cuts and military spending.  But far be it from me to suggest DemonRats are lying, decietful fucks...sometimes people have to experience that more personally to realize it is true.  And the only "massive" increase Reagan was part of was repairing our military that was run down to shit by Carter, I know, I was there.  I guess that exposes your pro-Code Pink streak.

Good luck on your journey.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:58 | 2433971 Ookspay
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1) George Washington

2) Ronald Wilson Reagan

3) Thomas Jefferson

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:09 | 2433992 LetThemEatRand
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The actor certainly convinced you, didn't he.

Let me just ask you... How much did he grow the deficit?  Any idea?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:26 | 2434034 Ookspay
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I have no time to disabuse or abuse you... Ironically, you're probably a Krugman Keynesian who would normally say defecits don't matter. Got Koolaid?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:53 | 2434093 LetThemEatRand
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Irony.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:47 | 2434082 Acorn10012
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Is it the Congress that spends money?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:54 | 2434094 LetThemEatRand
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And the President who signs the budget, yes?

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 07:29 | 2434543 odatruf
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No.  The President does not sign the budget. 

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 03:31 | 2434324 Kobe Beef
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JFK kill shot = William Greer

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:10 | 2433995 oldman
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@Gully Gully,

Reagan was an actor. He's dead. I don't even know what his true name was-----not many do----let him rest in peace is all I can say

thanks    om

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:34 | 2434050 Ookspay
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FYI Oldman, His REAL name was Ronald Wilson Reagan. He was a great president and a good man, and you are just old and ignorant.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:55 | 2434095 LetThemEatRand
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And you are _______ and ignorant.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 01:40 | 2434230 Oh regional Indian
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Perhaps ookspay got some trickle-down love from Raygun!

ori

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 21:42 | 2438120 Ookspay
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Just because you may need some balance in your Reagan diet...

In the late 70's and early eighties the Soviet Union was going broke, they were expanding all over the globe in an effort to try to fund and save their failing system. Reagan almost singlehandedly stopped them, thus bankrupting and destroying them without ever firing a shot, perhaps saving the entire globe, but for sure liberating tens of millions of people.

Raygun indeed!

Long Live the Great Ronald Reagan! You wacko liberal revisionists will not spout your crap uncecked by the Spook!

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 22:47 | 2438278 Acorn10012
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His real name was Zool...better known as the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.

Living through the 70's, I thought he helped turn America around.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:35 | 2433941 Bring the Gold
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JFK was a Dem and not S&B and they shot him too, didn't mess around either. Same with his brother RFK. So yeah, you're either part of the team or you get shot. As to your Ron Paul statement I agree. I actually agreed with everything you said, just felt that JFK and RFK deserved mention as well.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 03:32 | 2434327 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Just read a great bio of Ike by Michael Korda. I'm a (former) Dem and really appreciated the man. A little humility and reasonableness and lack of hubris would help these fuckers today. Would also help if pols were required to study some history.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:22 | 2433727 KennyG09
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KennyG09 reflection on 1 year of Zerohedge membership and toast:

- Fight club has one rule: Do not speak about fight club. I ask fellow ZH'ers; trolls and diehards alike: Why should fight club have rules if our current power wielders don't follow any?

- I have seen countless arguments for gold standards, no governments, ron paul, destruction of "crazy doomer libertarian psycho assclowns" - but I hardly ever see arguments for the destruction of fractional reserve banking. Why is this so? The Fed is only an istitution set up for governments to profit from fractional reserve banking and to keep said system in place [which private banks started and gov's got jealous of - Florence, Bank of Amsterdam, etc, etc.]. Gold standards, new governments, and ending the Fed won't change that. Outlaw fractional reserve banking; period.

Other observations:

- Where's Robo?

- I can't eat gold but I can eat my dividend paying stocks and Fried Rat Notes

- Cubicle Monkeys need loving too.

- US citizenism

- Civis Mundi

Take care you ZH'ers - I raise my Jack n' Coke to great fights in the future.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:01 | 2433847 Bay of Pigs
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Not sure who and what you've been reading on ZH but End the FED and fractional reserve lending has been a steady mantra here for a long time now. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:08 | 2433879 KennyG09
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I've seen plenty of end the Fed...which is great n' all but wouldn't change the perpetual credit expansion machine of fractional reserve banking.  It must just be my experience not seeing much talk about fractional reserve banking. Cheers :)

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:06 | 2433987 smb12321
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Kenny, the quality and quantity of the comments are in indirect proportion to the technical nature of the article.  THings like obesity, Israel, gold going to $20,000 or  wacko conspiracies gets TONS of imprecise gramatically incorrect replies.   Technical articles get 1/3 the comments and many are of the order, "Yeah, bitchez!"

Fractional banking is also one of my pet peeves as is multiple taxation. The State can get involved in every detail of human existence due to the amounts raised by  multiple taxation and massive borrowing. If it had to exist on single taxation only (and no borrowing) we would truly have a limited government.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 01:42 | 2434234 Oh regional Indian
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smb, this is clearly not a pure finance site.

And these are clarly NOT financial times. 

Perhaps you need the Technical Take?

ori

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:25 | 2433730 toady
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Alternative title:

Obama Haters Unite!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:49 | 2434085 Acorn10012
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One toke

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:57 | 2434097 palmereldritch
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  Obviously you're not a golfer.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:00 | 2434350 tenpanhandle
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one stroke

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 07:21 | 2434519 palmereldritch
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  Mark it Zero!

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 09:04 | 2434799 GeezerGeek
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His attitude toward the Constitution is similar: ignore it.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:30 | 2433741 jeff montanye
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you are so right about the mutual corruption.

however the article above uses the banana republic tag on the united states.  while some parts seem apt, rule by plutocracy, highly stratified class structure, strong military establishment with limited civil rights, the typical b.r. was ruled by a strongman who controlled the largely ceremonial legislature.  not so much here.

thanks to the inquiry i found out that o. henry hid out in honduras for some time avoiding prosecution for bank embezzlement.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:38 | 2433777 FrankThinkTank
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@LetThemEatRand

You are a charade, nothing more.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:41 | 2433783 LetThemEatRand
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Well reasoned response, asshole.  

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 02:02 | 2434252 ffart
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I read the ancient Greeks basically went down the same way. Someone figured out they could just give the treasury away to the public and get instant power in return. I guess the only thing history teaches is that noone ever learns from history.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:25 | 2433734 TheFourthStooge-ing
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PivotalTrades asked (based on the words used, not the terminal punctuation):

Why do you deny that the philosphy that the government is the answer is the central plank of the Democrats.

Why do you maintain the belief that there is any difference between the "two parties" when it comes to the thirst for more power? The ostensible differences between the Democrats and Republicans (both wholly owned subsidiaries of Paraciticorp Sachs Chase) are nothing more than well choreographed vignettes staged for public consumption.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:06 | 2433985 Binko
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Because it's also the central plank of the red team. The only difference is that they lie about it. 

Red team wants just as big of a central government as blue team, they just want it to be composed of different parts. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:11 | 2433997 candyman
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Are you fucking stupid. What do you expect from a black president... a balanced budget? He lives just like the check book of a crack whore.  Spend and dont worry about your debts. Its unforgivitable that a president would NEVER offer a BUDGET! What a fucking n____r disgrace.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:04 | 2434356 tenpanhandle
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come on you can say it "he's a near disgrace.  You , however are a complete disgrace.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:01 | 2433671 nmewn
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His combined budget requests over the last few cycles are 610-0. I emphasize requests because that's all he can legitimately do...request to spend.

Even the brain dead Sen. Sanders has to abstain, that should tell you something.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:07 | 2433688 LetThemEatRand
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You do know that Sanders has consistently voted against the Patriot Act in its various forms.  Just like I love Ron Paul for his dedication to freedom, you may want to give Sanders a little love for standing up against the machine.  He's one of the few.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:13 | 2433696 LetThemEatRand
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P.S.  If guys like you and me could ever band together, we may be able to have actual debates about real differences in real candidates.  I'll vote for Ron Paul if you vote for Bernie Sanders or his equivalent.  You may disagree with his view of markets, but he supports small government and individual freedom where it counts most.   Heck, I'll vote for Paul anyway.  But think about it.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:20 | 2433717 Joe The Plumber
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Sanders is a freaking socialist, but he did team up with ron paul for a real fed audit, not the make believe audit that finally ocurred

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:36 | 2433767 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Joe The Plumber said:

Sanders is a freaking socialist, but he did team up with ron paul for a real fed audit, not the make believe audit that finally ocurred

It is interesting that Sanders, a self-labeled "Socialist", when judged only by actions taken in the Senate, isn't nearly as "socialist" as most of his Senate peers (both Democrat and Republican).

If there's one thing that big government loves, it's bigger government.

 

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 02:34 | 2434286 John_Coltrane
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Indeed, I think we can give Sanders credit for opposition to the TSA, support of a real FED audit, and opposition to the "patriot act".  However, unlike, Paul and his son Rand, as a socialist he believes in the welfare state, which ironically requires a FED to fund deficit spending via debt and money creation since the taxes required to support it would never be allowed by voters.  Thus, Sanders is either a hypocrite or hopelessly naive regarding government and its role  (which is only national defense and enforcing the rule of law).  You can't support the FED and believe in sound money at the same time-a central Paul position.  Thus, a comparison of RP and Sanders is absurd and an obvious strawman.  RP, his son Rand and many others like Sen Pat Toomey are the only true patriots representing the libertarian viewpoint in congress.  A powerful central government and freedom for the individual are mutually exclusive despite the annoying trolling and obvious statism shown in all the comments of LTER.  And I gave this bozo the URL for the Huffington post months ago, but he keeps annoying us here.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:29 | 2433740 Cortez the Killer
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the same rope we'd use to hang sanders would be used on you next marxist agitator

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:48 | 2433960 Bring the Gold
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IIRC, you regularly post in the voice of hard right fascist. Not surprising you want to hang "Marxist Agitators" Hitler wanted the same. You can vote them out, you can use the law where applicable, but wanting to hang fellow citizens for civic discussions not matter how putrid is essentially saying you want to do away with the 1st amendment and instead have brown shirts unilateraly deciding on extra-judicial killings. Not my version of America by a long shot.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 09:30 | 2434915 GeezerGeek
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I fail to see how you equate National Socialism with the 'hard right' end of the political spectrum. Hitler and fascism were attributed to the right wing only because communist sympathizers in the MSM back in the 30s didn't want Hitler (national socialism) and Stalin (international socialism) linked in any way. Hitler was bad. Stalin was to be admired.

To me, socialism in any form is left-wing, not right-wing. Erroneously putting different versions of socialism at opposite ends of the political spectrum leaves no place for libertarian/small government types.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:53 | 2433820 nmewn
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I did want to address this...

"I'll vote for Ron Paul if you vote for Bernie Sanders or his equivalent."

For far too long honest men have done this, only to be stabbed in the back. The first order of business is getting a complete incompetent, who shields this major flaw with arrogance, out of the WH and as far away from "button pushing" as possible.

After that...we'll talk.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:58 | 2433836 LetThemEatRand
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Won't happen so long as guys like you continue to refuse to think outside your ideologue box.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:11 | 2433885 nmewn
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Alright...explain your vision of wealth distribution.

Who is entitled to the lions share of earnings...the state or the earner?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:35 | 2433939 LetThemEatRand
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The earner.

P.S., my vision of society requires the state to take in far less than it takes in today.  Contrary to what ideologues like you believe, much of current taxation goes to the MIC, the prison industrial complex, the oligarchs, feeding the Fed and its member banks and bondholders, and so forth.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:56 | 2433970 nmewn
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"The earner."

+1

Now we're getting somewhere...I'll return to this in the morning with a response which you will never answer...just as before.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:12 | 2434003 LetThemEatRand
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Don't bother.  You have no idea what you believe in.  I no longer care what you think you believe in.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:20 | 2433892 Prometheus418
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I've read hundreds of posts from you both, and I can definitively say that you're the ideologue here, LTER.  Your comment is projection, and little else.

Not that it'll matter to you, just stepping in as ref.  I don't post as much as I used to, but I still read almost all the articles and comments.

For what it's worth, I only vote for human beings, not ideologies.  Sometimes that means crossing the ficticious party lines- for example, I support both Feingold and Walker in Wisconsin, and I doubt either would consent to buy the other a beer.  Don't agree 100% with either, but they are both actual people, and not hand puppets.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:26 | 2433916 LetThemEatRand
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If we need a ref, I think I'll pick someone else.  

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:10 | 2434360 tenpanhandle
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ball three!, You're out!!!.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:20 | 2433711 nmewn
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Bernie Sanders is a self avowed socialist, therefore my committed enemy, no matter what issues we may agree on in the short term when it's convient for him to do so.

Fuck him and the unicorn he rode in on.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:22 | 2433725 LetThemEatRand
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Good for The Man that you feel so committed to ideas rather than practicalities.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:40 | 2433768 nmewn
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Don't give me The Man bullshit.

My idea is that once taxes are paid any monetary committment to the state ends...very practical in my estimation. Unlike Bernie whoring himself for stimulus dollars, we tossed out a govenor over that simple fact.

We did it for our children ;-)

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:42 | 2433789 LetThemEatRand
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As usual, you reveal yourself as nothing but an ideologue. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:02 | 2433851 nmewn
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What is ideological about accepting the fact taxes have to be paid, in order to fund government operations and once that obligation is made to government to be left the fuck alone?

Otherwise it is anarchy.

Your premise implies double/triple/quadruple taxation of the same dollar earned.

That is not charity...it is tyranny.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:06 | 2433868 LetThemEatRand
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I no longer understand what you are trying to say.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:18 | 2433896 nmewn
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I'm not surprised.

Charity is given freely, not greedily taken at the point of a gun.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:27 | 2433919 LetThemEatRand
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And yet neither charity nor private gun ownership would exist in the world you advocate.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:50 | 2433962 Cabreado
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You guys playing cards?

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 09:32 | 2434932 GeezerGeek
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LTER is clearly not playing with a full deck.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:36 | 2433776 Global Hunter
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Well if there's a rule to live by its to be pragmatic and place pragmatism above one's own ideology so on that note I have to side with you LTER. If all us non illumati keep fighting amongst ourselves on fundamental matters it will make it easier for the bankster elites to keep us down.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:42 | 2433796 Joe The Plumber
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Agreed. Give bernie a gun and once we rid ourselves of the corrupt political oligarcy we can duke it out among ourselves

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:54 | 2433819 MaggieL
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Bernie's from Vermont, let him get his own gun. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:02 | 2433858 LetThemEatRand
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Vermont is one of the most free states in the Union.  Bernie has consistently supported the right to free gun ownership.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:07 | 2433870 nmewn
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Can they even own a flintlock in Vermont without registering it with the state?

Honest question...my impression of the NE is the state wants to know how many kitchen knives, baseball bats and zit cream one has.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:09 | 2433881 LetThemEatRand
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As usual, you are spewing words but have no idea what you are talking about.  "My impression of the NE..."  Really?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:30 | 2433930 nmewn
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Did you want to speak to NE firearms laws or are you just spewing words?

Thought so ;-)

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:31 | 2433933 LetThemEatRand
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Just admit you were wrong, winker.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:27 | 2433918 TheFourthStooge-ing
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nmewn asked:

Can they even own a flintlock in Vermont without registering it with the state?

Vermont does not issue concealed carry permits for firearms. This is not due to anti-firearm bias, but because Vermont sees no need to issue permits for such legal activity.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:28 | 2433924 LetThemEatRand
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But nmewn's impression -- not having been there or read anything about it -- is....

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:40 | 2433952 nmewn
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Just looked it up and skiimed it as a matter of fact...a loaded rifle or shotgun can't be lawfully transported without permit on a state highway.

Why?

Are legislators unsure of the mechanics involved for any firearm (long or short) to discharge by magic?

Over to you "firearms law expert".

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:16 | 2434012 LetThemEatRand
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All that I can say is... you have no substance.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:28 | 2434373 tenpanhandle
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While the border guards are feds and therefore this little anecdote may  be inapplicable, I'll take my cue from half the comments above and post it anyway.  Once while crossing from canada into vermont ( the only time I ever did), I was denied entry because I had a shotgun in the car.  It didn't matter that it originated in California from whence I came also.  So maybe you conceal your gun in vermont so the state won't take it from you? 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:45 | 2433799 LetThemEatRand
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Too bad so few see it.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:59 | 2433848 Cortez the Killer
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You sanctimoniuos cunt

Youd swing in a new republic

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:04 | 2433860 LetThemEatRand
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Did I hit a button, assfuck?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:06 | 2433867 Gully Foyle
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LetThemEatRand

http://vermontrepublic.org/the-myth-of-bernie-sanders

The Myth of Bernie Sanders

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has recently been elevated to near godlike status by the political Left in the United States.  Some of his fans have even suggested that he should challenge Barack Obama in the Democratic Presidential Primary.  The more often he is accused of being a socialist by his political enemies on the Right, the more convinced the Left becomes that he surely walks on water.

Although Sanders may have once been a socialist back in the 80s when he was Mayor of Burlington, today, a socialist he is not.  Rather he behaves more like a technofascist disguised as a liberal, who backs all of President Obama’s nasty little wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.  Since he always “supports the troops,” Sanders never opposes any defense spending bill.  He stands behind all military contractors who bring much-needed jobs to Vermont.

Senator Sanders rarely misses a photo opportunity with Vermont National Guard troops when they are being deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq.  He’s always at the Burlington International Airport when they return.  If Sanders truly supported the Vermont troops, he would vote to end all of the wars posthaste.

Senator Patrick Leahy, Senator Bernie Sanders, and Congressman Peter Welch could hardly contain their enthusiasm over the news that Burlington International Airport had been named as a possible site to house the Air Force’s new F-35 fighter jet scheduled to replace the Vermont Air National Guard’s aging fleet of F-16s.  The new high-tech instruments of death will cost $115 million a pop in sharp contrast to the F-16s which cost a mere $20 million each.

From whom might these F-35s protect Vermont?  Possibly, Canada, separatist-minded Quebec, upstate New York, the New Hampshire Free State, or the Commonwealth of Massachusetts?  Why on earth would anyone want to invade Vermont?  Vermont has no military bases, no large cities, no important government installations, and no strategic resources unless you count an aging nuclear power plant.  What if Canada, China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, or even the U.S. Marines were to invade the Green Mountain state?  Just what would they do with it?  Would all of the black-and-white Holsteins be confiscated, or perhaps the entire sugar maple crop be burned?  Imagine trying to enslave freedom-loving Vermonters.  Good luck!

Vermont is too small, too rural, and too independent to be invaded by anyone.  It is a threat to no one.  Furthermore, Vermonters, not unlike the Swiss, tend to stick to their own knitting rather than intruding into the affairs of their neighbors.  Vermont has always been that way and probably always will be.

Major General Michael Dubie, head of the Vermont National Guard, has expressed the hope that the Vermont Guard might be morphed into a center for unmanned drone aircraft.  Sanders, not unlike President Obama, thinks drones are cool.

Sanders is the darling of the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee and the right-wing Likud government of Israel.  He has done everything within his power to keep the myth of Islamic terrorism alive.  He never questions the U.S. government’s unconditional support of Israeli acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians.  It is as though these are nonevents.

Last, but by no means least, is the U.S. government-owned Sandia National Laboratories.  For over two years Sanders and former University of Vermont President Daniel Fogel have been encouraging Sandia to open a satellite laboratory in Vermont.  Sandia, whose historical origins can be traced back to the Manhattan Project in World War II, designs, builds, and tests weapons of mass destruction.  The Vermont laboratory envisaged by Sanders would not be involved with nuclear weapons but rather would be engaged in projects related to energy efficiency, renewable energy, and electric grids.  Sandia, interestingly enough, is operated under contract by Lockheed Martin, the largest defense contractor in the world.  Lockheed Martin produces F-35s and drones.  General Dubie, who has close ties to Lockheed Martin, recently received an honorary doctorate from UVM.  No one at UVM seems to care whether or not the University gets in bed with a manufacturer of atomic bombs.

Bernie Sanders loves to rail against Corporate America, Wall Street, and the super-rich, but has nothing to show for it.  He’s done little to constrain their power and influence.  But everybody on the Left loves Bernie.

Thomas H. Naylor

September 12, 2011

Founder of the Second Vermont Republic and Professor Emeritus of Economics at Duke University; co-author of Affluenza, Downsizing the USA, and The Search for Meaningwww.vermontrepublic.org.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:09 | 2433878 LetThemEatRand
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Wow, the lady doth protest too much.

Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders get along pretty well for a reason, your cut-and-paste notwithstanding.

Seems like this discussion about Paul and Sanders has really rubbed some asshole status quo feathers the wrong way.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:23 | 2433910 Prometheus418
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You know, from time to time I hear people ranting about how they just can't find anyone suitable to date or marry.  There's always a laundry list of semi-plausible complaints, but in the end, it always comes back to this-

If the problems you experience follow you from situation to situation, it's time to consider that maybe your counter-parties are not the issue- maybe the issue is with you.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:39 | 2433945 LetThemEatRand
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When all else fails, play the bully.  Comes natural, eh?

If you disagree with anything substantive I've said, it would be impossible from your posts to know anything other than that you think you are rubber and I am glue.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:47 | 2433958 TMT
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I hate the patriot act but beyond that sanders is fucking worthless.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:27 | 2434372 dolly madison
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His combined budget requests over the last few cycles are 610-0. I emphasize requests because that's all he can legitimately do...request to spend.

Even the brain dead Sen. Sanders has to abstain, that should tell you something.

What that seems to say to me is that the budget was too far right for the Democrats.  The Republicans would never vote for Obama's budget no matter what it is like.  I have no idea if that is really the case, just a guess based on circumstance.

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 06:35 | 2434466 nmewn
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It's O'Barry's budget requests that are continually voted down without a single vote in favor....simply because he asks too much spending and not enough debt & deficit reduction.

These are what never gets a single affirmative vote from either side (Dim or Pubs)...his budget requests. House & Senate budgets do get votes for & against like they always have...his never gets a single vote for.

There are many reasons for this in the House & Senate...but its still 610-0 on his.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:27 | 2433736 f16hoser
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No truer words were spoken.....

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:26 | 2433738 f16hoser
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No truer words were spoken.....

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:19 | 2433701 vast-dom
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Obummer: HOPIUM that delivers CHANGE like you've never experienced: only prez with a perfect vote-down ZERO record! Maybe he can trade his Nobel for other more apropos prize? What an achievement!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:22 | 2433716 LetThemEatRand
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His prize will be first African American Muslim socialist commie born in Kenya to completely ruin the country, crash the market, destroy the dollar, etc.  My theory is they crash the market BIG time a couple of months or maybe a few weeks before the election.  It will prove all the Red Teamers right, and O'Romney will float in on a wave of "thank God for the white Christian free market Wall Street guy."  Then he will proceed to take away whatever semblance of Freedom we have left, as the Red Team cheers him on.  Hope I'm wrong.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:40 | 2433788 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Outcome of the 2012 presidential election: George W re-elected to a fourth term and four more years of the same shit, only worse.

You heard it here on ZeroHedge first, fuckers.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:42 | 2433793 markettime
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I hope you are wrong also Rand, but I agree that there will be an effort to take down the system as we know it and replace it with something worse. 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:46 | 2433808 LetThemEatRand
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And who better to blame than Obama.  It's really quite brilliant.  

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:26 | 2433737 JPM Hater001
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I believe what you were looking for was:

What, me worry?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:45 | 2433807 Freddie
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*U*k! Tyler Dirksen - ZH is running those Hope and Change 2012 banner ads again for the The Ben Bernank fiat.  I am sick of seeing Travolta's boyfriend Barry and his disgusting beard wife.  

Hey Tyler - tell the ******g ad agency to run more of those snorge or other T-shirt company ads with the girls in tight t-shirts and panties.  Those banner ads are cool.  The one chick in sunglasses is hot.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:17 | 2433898 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You control, to a certain extent, which ads you see. A determination is made by google ads, based on the cookies in your browser, which ads are displayed to you.

This is all based upon the web sites you've visited recently. If you want to see ads with hot babes in underwear instead of ads with hope and change, you need to visit porn sites with women more often and cut down on the visits to Obama sites.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:06 | 2433984 Global Hunter
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I get ones for diets, diet aids and womens shoes after my wife has been on my computer.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:27 | 2434035 Acorn10012
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Shemp,

I've visited 372 porn sites and still can't get the sugar daddy girls. ;-)

The t-shirt girls are pretty hot as well.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 23:41 | 2434069 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Keep trying.

 

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 01:42 | 2434233 ClassicalLib17
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Yea,  the ads I see all feature naked women with nice juicy tits.  Yummy

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:56 | 2433829 LongSoupLine
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full retard fail

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:01 | 2433850 Buck Johnson
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We will be a banana republic, and when it happens everyone will go nuts trust me.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 22:49 | 2433961 Mentaliusanything
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All of the kings horses and all the Kings men could not put paid to O'bumers plan.

and something ... something about....

"If you fail to plan, your planning to fail"

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 00:36 | 2434139 Eireann go Brach
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FUCKING Useless! Vote him in again and let him finish off pushing America over the cliff!

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 04:57 | 2434399 ValidName
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Exactly, like a 56 page bill crafted by Sessions is the same as the 2000 page budget bill.  But this fact escapes not only the original author, but the sheeple that follow him.  Sad that ZH has to stoop for content especially with so many events at the moment that could use some quality investigation.  Think and use your brains please, dump the partisan shit as thinking people really have no time for it.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:39 | 2433602 navy62802
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Obama? Who's that guy?

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:41 | 2433609 A Nanny Moose
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Failbama

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:39 | 2433606 Id fight Gandhi
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It's those republicans in the senate!!!!

But wait its the senate democratically controlled? Yep? Oh, never mind.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:51 | 2433652 A Nanny Moose
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Blame will be assigned to the Blue Dogs....DINOs

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:39 | 2433607 midgetrannyporn
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We don't need no steenking budget!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:44 | 2433803 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Vichy, DC legislative arithmetic lesson: if there is no budget, there is no budget deficit.

 

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:42 | 2433608 nmewn
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The Big 0.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:24 | 2433726 Gene Parmesan
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0bama

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:34 | 2433766 The Shootist
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Yepper

Thu, 05/17/2012 - 06:35 | 2434465 Phil Free
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Heh. There's a Japanese anime called "Big O".  Big robot mechs.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:40 | 2433612 Normalcy Bias
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Obama, the Great Uniter!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:48 | 2433635 LetThemEatRand
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Another male prostitute!

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:59 | 2433845 LongSoupLine
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Vote Obama!

Change...shoved right up your middle class ass.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:41 | 2433614 wisefool
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Deadhorse: I'll pay my taxes when congress tells me why.

*wisefool: Reforming goldbugs since my PhD told me I had to go on a low sodium deit.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:55 | 2433615 Cabreado
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What is this thing "Congress" that you speak of?

There is no "Congress."

Congress left the building a while ago.

That is part and parcel in the evaluation of exactly where We are, where We are not, and where We are going.

A broken Congress is the bellwhether... we're so deep into it, we've forgotten already.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:44 | 2433621 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Wait. The republicans lifted his budget, and ran it? Pure genius, just wait till the ceiling comes due early, and they shut down the govmt. Maybe the revolution will come when SNAP isn't on time.....

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:43 | 2433622 Guns N Metals
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Obama smokes rocks.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:48 | 2433633 Acorn10012
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And midgets

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 20:56 | 2433661 CashCowEquity
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and cocks

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 21:24 | 2433729 Joe The Plumber
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Lol he is the second dicksucking president after james buchanan. Too bad american newspapers wont discuss his relationship wirh his church choir director

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