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Obama Ordered The "Code Stux"

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When Iran's nuclear facilities were publicly crippled in 2011 by what then was considered a revolutionary computer virus which destroys physical equipment, many immediately assumed the virus originated in Israel for obvious reasons. They were wrong. In what can be described as the first presidentially-mandated and condoned act of cyberwarfare, one circumventing the War Powers Act of course, the NYT informs us that the order to physically impair Iranian sovereignty came from none other than the Nobel Peace prize winning president: Barack Obama.

From the NYT:

From his first months in office, President Obama secretly ordered increasingly sophisticated attacks on the computer systems that run Iran's main nuclear enrichment facilities, significantly expanding America's first sustained use of cyberweapons, according to participants in the program.


Mr. Obama decided to accelerate the attacks - begun in the Bush administration and code-named Olympic Games - even after an element of the program accidentally became public in the summer of 2010 because of a programming error that allowed it to escape Iran's Natanz plant and sent it around the world on the Internet. Computer security experts who began studying the worm, which had been developed by the United States and Israel, gave it a name: Stuxnet.


At a tense meeting in the White House Situation Room within days of the worm's "escape," Mr. Obama, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency at the time, Leon E. Panetta, considered whether America's most ambitious attempt to slow the progress of Iran's nuclear efforts had been fatally compromised.


"Should we shut this thing down?" Mr. Obama asked, according to members of the president's national security team who were in the room.


Told it was unclear how much the Iranians knew about the code, and offered evidence that it was still causing havoc, Mr. Obama decided that the cyberattacks should proceed. In the following weeks, the Natanz plant was hit by a newer version of the computer worm, and then another after that. The last of that series of attacks, a few weeks after Stuxnet was detected around the world, temporarily took out nearly 1,000 of the 5,000 centrifuges Iran had spinning at the time to purify uranium.


This account of the American and Israeli effort to undermine the Iranian nuclear program is based on interviews over the past 18 months with current and former American, European and Israeli officials involved in the program, as well as a range of outside experts. None would allow their names to be used because the effort remains highly classified, and parts of it continue to this day.

For those confused - yes: this is an act of war. A New Normal war.

It appears to be the first time the United States has repeatedly used cyberweapons to cripple another country's infrastructure, achieving, with computer code, what until then could be accomplished only by bombing a country or sending in agents to plant explosives. The code itself is 50 times as big as the typical computer worm, Carey Nachenberg, a vice president of Symantec, one of the many groups that have dissected the code, said at a symposium at Stanford University in April. Those forensic investigations into the inner workings of the code, while picking apart how it worked, came to no conclusions about who was responsible.

And still America continues to wage war, subverting the constitution, without any Congressional approval, and without even telling the population what is really happening. Because it is "for its own good."

A similar process is now under way to figure out the origins of another cyberweapon called Flame that was recently discovered to have attacked the computers of Iranian officials, sweeping up information from those machines. But the computer code appears to be at least five years old, and American officials say that it was not part of Olympic Games. They have declined to say whether the United States was responsible for the Flame attack.

The "New Normal Gulf of Tonkin":

Mr. Obama, according to participants in the many Situation Room meetings on Olympic Games, was acutely aware that with every attack he was pushing the United States into new territory, much as his predecessors had with the first use of atomic weapons in the 1940s, of intercontinental missiles in the 1950s and of drones in the past decade. He repeatedly expressed concerns that any American acknowledgment that it was using cyberweapons - even under the most careful and limited circumstances - could enable other countries, terrorists or hackers to justify their own attacks.


"We discussed the irony, more than once," one of his aides said. Another said that the administration was resistant to developing a "grand theory for a weapon whose possibilities they were still discovering." Yet Mr. Obama concluded that when it came to stopping Iran, the United States had no other choice.


If Olympic Games failed, he told aides, there would be no time for sanctions and diplomacy with Iran to work. Israel could carry out a conventional military attack, prompting a conflict that could spread throughout the region.

Some call it irony, others collateral damage where people lose everything, including their lives. Semantics.

Remember though: they hate America for its freedoms.

Mr. Obama has repeatedly told his aides that there are risks to using - and particularly to overusing - the weapon. In fact, no country's infrastructure is more dependent on computer systems, and thus more vulnerable to attack, than that of the United States. It is only a matter of time, most experts believe, before it becomes the target of the same kind of weapon that the Americans have used, secretly, against Iran.

And it will be a shock, SHOCK  when the world retaliates against America.


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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:54 | 2484097 Aziz
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When do I get my Nobel peace prize?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:54 | 2484100 Pladizow
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Or Israel ordered Obummer to accept fault!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:01 | 2484142 SHEEPFUKKER

It was only cyberwarfare.  Peace prize retained!!! lol

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:03 | 2484151 Aziz
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Note to Obama: "cyberwarfare" is not the same thing as playing Call of Duty.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:06 | 2484189 Colombian Gringo
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Hope and Fucking Change, yep.  To all of you democrats out there, you  are a bunch of fucking hypocrites, liars and frauds.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:12 | 2484225 Pladizow
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How does that make them different from Republicans?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:15 | 2484253 WonderDawg
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It doesn't, at all. It just feels good to say it.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:26 | 2484304 Alea Iactaest
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Coke vs. Pepsi.

(v.2012, bitchez)

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:35 | 2484355 Joe Sixpack
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Less filling...  Tastes Great!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:38 | 2484373 Pladizow
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Different cans, same shit inside!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:59 | 2484453 Abitdodgie
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Pepsi has dead babies in it now .

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:00 | 2484459 pods
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But Coke took them out of the Kuwati incubators!


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:28 | 2484573 Colombian Gringo
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Obama tells me that Pepsi is better as an  anal douche than coke. I wonder what kind of anal douche Bush prefers.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:56 | 2484646 Ahmeexnal
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CHOOMWAGON worm has been released.

Seriously....even W vetted this whole cyberwarfare as he knew it would only come back to strike in your face.
The fact that they had to place a PEAS nobel prize RECIPIENT in the oval office in order to FORWARD this agenda should start you packing cuz it's going to get MELTING POINT hot very soon.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:19 | 2484801 The Big Ching-aso
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Here I yam..................

".....Stux In The Middle With You".

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 18:48 | 2486254 Nassim
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Ahmeexnal is entirely correct.

The West has far far more potential targets for any malefactor. Iran does not, yet, have a nuclear power station while the US has 104 plus many reasearch reactors. The same applies in spades for many other items of infrastructure and industry that are wired to the internet.

I am not saying here that the Iranians will retaliate - they would not even if they could. I am saying simply that some country - which few Amreican know where it lies - like Bulgaria can cripple the USA. That is truly scary.

To me it seems to be an invitation for each country to have its own intranet - which is tragic for people like me who like to get their information from different places.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:55 | 2486423 Pinto Currency
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This is an extremely dangerous code.  It is not possible that it was not known that this code would, with certainty, in turn be used against all of us. 

The question then is why was it released.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 17:18 | 2486030 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Colombian Gringo wondered:

I wonder what kind of anal douche Bush prefers.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:42 | 2484378 Harlequin001
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so it's fair game for me to have a pop at the bank computers now then is it if they try and foreclose on the mortgage I haven't got...

Fuck it, why don't I have a pop at the Revenue computers, for trying to take money they aren't entitled to?

Do I get a Nobel?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:52 | 2484417 karzai_luver
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You may wish to hit a soft target as some others have already done.......


Try the Atlanta Fed for a good time..............theory says anyway...............

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:59 | 2484452 Cpl Hicks
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You get a Nobel.

Go to number 13 Pussiegaten in Stockholm, ring the buzzer and tell them Barry sent you.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:15 | 2484520 piliage
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Maybe he'll get another one for the extra judicial killings of US citizens too? Heck, why not kill everyone in the middle east and we'll name the damn peace prize after him.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:01 | 2484682 pagan
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No we are innocent to the Nobel peace prize BS.

The exact adress is Fittegade 13 in Oslo. 


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 15:34 | 2485542 Ranger4564
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However, Nobel was born in Sweden, and is buried in Sweden, and operated his business out of Sweden.

The family is about as peaceful as any robber baron... they made their money selling armaments / dynamite / nitro glycerin / oil fields.  Not exactly bandages / healing ointments. 

I am disgusted with what has been confirmed, but i want everyone to recognize that this president is not the only one who acts like a complete douchebag... it's just that they're being more honest about their douchebaggery.  I am fully confident just about every president has been a douchebag, because we didn't get here because of 3 years of failed leaderlesship.  But we can do something about it now that we know exactly what kind of country we really have, right?  Right?  chirp... chirp...

All the bluster and outrage is great, but we need to actually do something... you know, go outside and make these faint opinions loud and clear. 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 21:51 | 2486601 Element
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Noooooo!! ...that's so out of character! ... this has to be a misunderstanding ... he was actually touring the ME at that time and offering the US's hand of peace to Iran ... ! ... Makes no sense!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:16 | 2484258 Spastica Rex
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Shhhhh.... world views are fragile, like fine china.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:21 | 2484278 DaveyJones
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so true, hard to get a bull market in the china shop any more

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:25 | 2484306 onelight
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good analogy - very apt

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:58 | 2484447 Abitdodgie
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So the 1st of June was the official start of world war 3 , weather it is a ground attack or computer attack I think it now gives Iran reason to strike back , and so they should, its one rule for America and one for the rest of the world, now get back to work and pay 59% of your taxes to help kill people for your Govenment , if you don't do this then you must be a Jehad sleeper and need to go to a FEMA camp for re-education . Please everyone do your patriotic duty and turn your neighbour and friends. Long live Obammer our great leader.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:32 | 2484342 SubjectivObject
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He's just calling out the Trojan Ob, and that is justified irrespective party disaffiliation.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:46 | 2484400 GeezerGeek
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The way I heard it, Panetta said the trojans, meaning computer viruses, were ready for distribution, meaning into Iranian computers. Obama thought he was talking about Trojans, and decided he was going to get a head start on supporting womens' reproductive rights. His decision was enunciated as "They should get the Trojans for free!"

More seriously, I suspect that he's decided he can't get any more mileage out of the OBL story, so he needed to claim leadership on another successful operation regardless of which president started the ball rolling.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:26 | 2485213 Spastica Rex
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That was crazy funny. +1

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:14 | 2487862 Cathartes Aura
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this narrative is just another fairy tale for the masses who choose not to think beyond it. . .

as if Obama has any power, any true hierarchy. . .

as if Israel works with amrka, and not through it. . .

as if releasing this "news" and using the "Olympic Games" meme isn't  intentional. . .

and more - this story is of the swiss cheese varietal - lot's of "holes" masquerading as "truths" - empty news.

BUT it is a dog whistle to be aware, prepare accordingly - lots of "shadows" overhead, converging.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:35 | 2484354 samwell
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all controlled by the same interests namely large multinationals and Israeli Lobby AIPAC.


Ron Paul Tampa!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:07 | 2484485 caconhma
Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:33 | 2484923 Zero Govt
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American software that ruins hardware?'s Microsoft (Microshite) yes?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:25 | 2484549 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Give Ron Paul credit he is different. Also why didn't the Counterpunch- Noam Chomsky left types support Ron Paul? That would have helped RP a lot.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:22 | 2485173 Iwanttoknow
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Because Noam chomsky types are "gate keepers on the left".On another note to the poster who keep referring to Obummer as mooslim,so he attacks another mooslim state.Wow.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:19 | 2486330 Christophe2
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They can't support each other because both are gatekeepers on opposing teams.


On the questions that matter, the two certainly see eye to eye though:both of them denigrate 9/11 truthers and support the 'official story', albeit with Chomsky being even more pathetic than Ron Paul on the topic.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 18:26 | 2486203 fnordfnordfnord
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I did. Chomsky for sec of state. Ron Paul 2 0 1 2.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:27 | 2484566 Colombian Gringo
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 Pladizow: How does that make them different from Republicans?


It doesn't. They are the same shit.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:36 | 2486380 Dugald
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One of you's guys wrote a book called How to win friends and influence people now that is irony!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:16 | 2484233 jayman21
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You forgot Repubicans too...


*edit back to clicking on winning dinners.  ZH to Google to up bitch

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:21 | 2484281 Dr. Richard Head
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This is the only area where the left/right divide still does exist in a true form.  Democrats that I talked to, who were canvassing for the Great O, used the Iraq war as their number one platform plank to provide substantive difference between Bush and Obama.  Now that their man is at the turret, the tone has changed considerably.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:28 | 2484318 BlueCollaredOne
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It just show's you how people are weak and attach themselves emotionally to politicians on their side, regardless of their actions.  Rather than thinking for themselves, and seeing the truth, they just choose to see the image in their own mind. 

Kinda like a battered wife who says "I know he loves me"

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:32 | 2484340 Dr. Richard Head
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Max Keiser puts it best when he screams, "You're in love with your captors.  You have Stockholm Syndrome!"

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:27 | 2484877 sgt_doom
Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:28 | 2484322 onelight
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Good point -- I wonder how far Democrats can extend the argument that this is regime-change-on-the-cheap versus the more obvious costs involved in the neo-con approach seen previously, and somewhat continued in tandem, in Afghanistan -- there is a case that the world is a bad neighborhood, so ops are needed, but again how far can the on-the-cheap case go, in the voter psyche

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:34 | 2484350 onelight
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. accidental duplicate post.. sorry

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:00 | 2484702 Lord Koos
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Yep, there is little real difference between physically destroying the population and infrastructure of Iraq, and sabotaging a nuclear program in Iran. .

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:49 | 2485333 DosZap
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Now that their man is at the turret, the tone has changed considerably.

Now, that's the BLUE sheeples,wait till they find out their fish bait too.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:19 | 2484274 Transformer
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And Republicans are. . . . .   Well of course, they are the patriots, the ones that will save our country.  The Republican party has put forward a great statesman and orator to lead us forward and through a resolution of this mess.  Romney is the man to do it!!!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:24 | 2484295 Dr. Richard Head
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Yup, that is what will save us.  A smooth orator.....LMFAO

From what virus did you fucking crawl out?

Never mind these two fucktards are one and the same -

Comparing side by side the words and political stances of Republican and Democratic presidential candidates Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama. Includes topics like universal health care, gun rights, energy, NDAA, the Patriot Act, Iran, sanctions, economic stimulus. bank and auto bailouts, civil rights, TARP, the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, campaign donations, and more. Thanks for watching & please share! Compiled with videos from news, interviews, rally footage, and more, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAIR USE ACT.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:42 | 2484388 Chupacabra-322
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@ Dr. Richard Head, this following best explains the difference.

The Difference


J. Speer-Williams
June 16, 2010



Neo-cons love war and torture, increased regulations, tyranny, and taxes; with our taxes going to the plutocrats of the private banking community. They support governmental destruction of our environment, under the pretense of protecting it. They, also, overtly support corporatism (fascism for oligarchs) and any other measures supported by the republican party that enrich the private International Monetary/Banking Cartel at the expense of the American people.

 Neo-libs love war and torture, increased regulations, tyranny, and taxes; with our taxes going to the plutocrats of the private banking community. They support governmental destruction of our environment, under the pretense of protecting it. They, also, covertly support corporatism (socialism for oligarchs) and any other measures supported by the democratic party that enrich the private International Monetary/Banking Cartel at the expense of the American people.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:35 | 2484596 AnAnonymous
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Neocons, neolibs, cons, libs, left, right, dems, reps, you name them, they have all something in common: they are human beings and they are US citizens.

Guess what? It is all because of human nature, dude. You know this. US citizenism has nothing to do in the mix. US citizenism is the best thing ever to happen to humanity, the only thing that can save humankind from themselves. Dixeunt US citizens.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:34 | 2485261 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

US citizenism is the best thing ever to happen to humanity, the only thing that can save humankind from themselves.

That must be why China is the biggest sponsor of US citizenism. They must like the results of their investment or else they wouldn't continue as a sponsor.

Of course, the same goes for the Saudis, the Japanese, and every other government that buys US Treasury bonds. But the Chinese? Woooo hoooo they sure do love US citizenism.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:22 | 2485710 Rynak
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I believe in "human nature" as much as i believe in any other human-invented apologist god..... which is none.

(Note: Of course, this instantly makes me look like one of those "militant atheists". Yet actually, i consider them just as much full of bullshit as those they despise (in fact, i just had a blackout, and had to ask a buddy what "not believing in any god" is called again, because i forgot the term).

Personally, i have no problem with religion as something like an individual "ritual". I do however have a problem with any conceptual construct, which is designed primarily to deceive oneself about one's own actions, and enforce such a systematic selfdeception on others. You know, i've got no problems if like like a certain videogame, a certain movie, a certain musicband or a certain spiritual ritual.... i DO however have a problem with you using a videogame, movie, musicband, spiritual ritual or similiar, to justify your own actions, and aggressively try to infect others with this hypocritical mindset, in an attempt to spread mental corruption like a cultural plague).

TL/DR: "I Did this because the videogame told me so, and so should others." <- WTFLOL GFO and grow some selfresponsibility.

P.S.: In other news, considering the end of your post, could it be that you are MDB?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:26 | 2484559 hungrydweller
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Uhh - I think his post was "/sarc on".

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 12:17 | 2489197 Tom Terrific
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Please get your "Head" out of your ass.  Transformer was being sarcastic.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:24 | 2484301 ITrustMyGut
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what else can you do.. but roflz , when dealing with a limpdick/beck-ster brain dead MSM fool... faux aint no different than any left spun car wreck.. its all Bernays -esque! its all win win for the central planners...

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:30 | 2484327 Dr. Richard Head
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I laugh and then I cry actually.  I count over 2,755,000 media zombie followers.  I always love the attack by Fox News lovers about the liberal agenda while Fox shoves liberal Romney in their eye holes.

"May was the network's worst month for total viewers during primetime in over 20 years. CNN drew an average of just 389,000 primetime viewers from April 30 to May 27. In comparison, MSNBC drew an average of 674,000 total viewers, while Fox News boasted an average of 1,692,000 total viewers."  Huffingtonpost

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:45 | 2484392 ITrustMyGut
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I know what ya...

somedays.. the reality of the sheeple.. litteraly hurts my soul..

practice random acts if irreverance helps... show tunes at obnoxious volumes in the cube farm ftw~

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:57 | 2484449 karzai_luver
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Obummer has provided a great service as he finally rips off the mask of legitmate debate as to a real difference between any of the crony scums.


Do you not recall all debate stops at the waters edge?


Well, how much more "in your face" need it be stated.


Of course, the Hopeychangling and his illegal and murderous actions reveal it to even the most obtuse although they may still need to deny it as to accept it means their "luv it or leve it " is a lie and a fraud.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:33 | 2484343 prodigious_idea
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"And Republicans are . . . the ones that will save our country"

I read your post ten times looking for the <sarc> annotation.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:32 | 2484344 piceridu
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you forgot the <sarc> insert.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:24 | 2484293 Oh regional Indian
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Of course, for the very bastion of the liberal left to tell this story means it is only intended to inflame. 

InFlame. that's right. If the world, the Islamic world in particular, is not seething as it is, give them more fuel to the already raging fire.

All a set-up so every-one and every-thing is Up-set.

Ponder this, when you "Un'leash" something liek Sux or Flame, you are basically playing with all of the control systems (Nuclear ANYTHING is all about COntrol Systems, anythign fails, possibly everythign fails).

I remember getting Flamed when I said Fukushima was Stuxed. That of course is looking more and more likely, not my analysis but some of th ebest in the business are saying that.

And that points to the sheer madness of such decisions, something that could potentially set off a nuclear chain reaction, uncontrolled, is considered safe and potential collateral damage acceptable?

No wonder, eh? No freaking wonder.

They know something we don't, otherwise such risk-taking makes no sense what-so-ever.

Same death cult, machine mad psycopaths running this ship/show shit-show.

Clearly a "Blow-off Top" approaches, speedily.



Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:27 | 2485219 Iwanttoknow
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ORI,I think a lot of reporting in japan backs you up on the Fukushima and stuxnet.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 16:23 | 2485760 Ident 7777 economy
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-1 for 'knowing nothing' ...

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:29 | 2486352 anonnn
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Stuxnet lays dormant until it recognizes a specific operational sequence [e.g. run-time on a centrifuge], in which case the program carries out pre-arranged commands to cause a result [e.g. overspeed the centifuge into self-destruction].

Re Fukushima Daichi and other locations: Suppose it was to lay dormant until Emergency Diesel Generators were turned on for longer than, say, a routine maintenance test. Then in a real emergency, such as loss of all electrical power [thus a Loss-of-Coolant-Accident] the EDGs would be run continuously. The clever virus would unleash server commands to local machine controllers to disable/stop the EDGs.

There was a major "upgrade" [with a certain deadline-for-completion date] to U S NucPwrPlants server/PLCs code about 2 years before the Fukushima event. After Fuku event and release of Stuxnet data with Siemens involvement, thought it a curious coincidence.

There is no way a highest-effort virus like Stuxnet would be designed to lay low/dormant/disabled and spread harmlessly to other, "collateral" computers without a secret "back door' capacity to be enabled/activated at some later time. Even years later. The brilliant muckety-mucks in-charge could not possibly resist adding that delicious feature. Their ego and lust for power and recognition would demand it.


Stuxnet has already spread widely to other places/computers with no connection to Iran or nuc activities.

Stuxnet-quality remote-control command is a permanent threat to all, pre-packaged programming, and with enough intent and resources, can be deliberately introduced into any system. It is tailored by and for obsessive control freaks and their hired help [best scientists they can buy]. An on-going fascist wetdream.


Sat, 06/02/2012 - 00:10 | 2486765 Oh regional Indian
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Very well put Anonn. 

And why always GErman products involvement. Very curious that too. Siemens? Semens? Insemenation with bad seed?

Very mucked up, regardless.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:30 | 2484330 prodigious_idea
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Anyone still sitting around checking voter registration cards doesn't have a fucking clue what to worry about.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:46 | 2484398 ArrestBobRubin
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yup, the same people who could not understand how anyone could possibly vote for the War Criminal Front Man Bush a 2nd time are now the ones ready to do so for this latest War Criminal Front Man.

My how times change.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:59 | 2484451 johnnymustardseed
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Republicans criticize and then when he does something to FUCK Iran they complain. HORSESHIT! CODE STUX is kind of a sanction Romney

“Nuclear ambition is pursued by Iran to dominate, to subjugate, to obliterate. A nuclear Iran is not only a problem for Israel, it’s a problem for America, and it’s a problem for the world,” said Romney. “I will bring the current policy of procrastination toward Iran to an end. I will not delay imposing further crippling sanctions, I will not hesitate to fully implement the ones we already have. I will make sure Iran knows of the very real peril that awaits if it becomes nuclear.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:08 | 2484490 walküre
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A nuclear Iran is first and foremost a problem to America's oligarchy. 99% of the population should and could truly NOT give a shit. But the oligarcy needs the 99% to sign up for the fight because the fight will get financed. War destroys allot and it consumes massive amounts of materials. All for the benefit of the 1%.

I'm 99% and I don't give a shit that Iran has nuclear power or nuclear weapons!

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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:44 | 2484623 Lord Koos
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Right, he should have bombed them like president Cheney would have done?  and all of a sudden people on ZH are concerned about the soveriegn theocracy of Iran?  Give me a fucking break.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:50 | 2484650 sgt_doom
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The most serious point about this, aside from an obvious act of war as noted in the blog itself, is that once Stuxnet, or Flame, is around and about in the public domain, it is far, far easier for any other nation, group or entity to reverse engineer -- to disassemble the code and make a few relatively simple alterations to a highly sophisticated code module they didn't need to code originally, to make it a weapon against its makers.

I realize there may be sharp code cowboys, both in Israel's Unit 3200 and in the US of A, but there are plenty more around the planet.

Heed these words, please......

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:10 | 2484153 hedgeless_horseman
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And it will be a shock, SHOCK when the world retaliates against America.

They hate us for our freedoms/sarc.

US makes a drone attack a day in Yemen


Freedom, liberty, private property, and self determinism have no meaning unless they apply to everyone.  A Constitutional scholar knows this.

Watch this video of Prof. Sam Richards at Penn State.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:12 | 2484229 HoofHearted
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Oh I'm going to have to move from this country. I have ties in Europe, but who wants to be there? Is it South America for all of us who want to be in a free country? Someplace in Asia? I could use some help here. Where is that Sovereign Man? But I'd prefer more informed opinions from ZHers out there.

The camel's back is now officially broken.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:18 | 2484257 hedgeless_horseman
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American citizens are the Sovereign in America.  Never forget it, no matter how hard the media tries to portray our elected representatives as, "leaders." 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:20 | 2484276 bonddude
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The Bush Family has an 80,000 acre ranch in Paraguay, no?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:06 | 2484472 karzai_luver
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you don't get off the farm much do ya?


If the clowns out and about are soverign over anything other than their fat ass and huge beer guts I have yet to see any evidence of it.


A bunch of degenerates kept alive from the sacrifices in the past of people 100X their better.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:10 | 2484497 prodigious_idea
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You seriously underestimate the determination of the people of this country.  Kind of makes the hair on my arms stand up thinking about the day we get to prove it.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:13 | 2484517 karzai_luver
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yeah and next the tingle down your leg will be the end of it all.


You have not a clue.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:04 | 2484712 LFMayor
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You're just looking in the wrong places, twat.  Tell you what, you want to prove your big theory on fat lazy inbred retard sheep in flyover country will do nothing?  You really, really want to show everyone definitevely that you're correct?

There are quarterly gun shows at the Indianapolis state fair grounds.  There's one starting this evening, lasting all weekend.  It's full, FULL of the these people you're denigrating.

Why don't you get all the like minded friends you can muster and go there, if not this event then the next?  Show your ass, loud and live.  We'll see if your bright fucking idea holds water.  Please take notes so that you can share them here, with everyone.

These dumbfucks in charge, driving these financial/political machines around haven't a clue of what they're playing with.  They've never worked, they've never studied history of any real consequence, they don't believe in physics, mathematics or common fucking decency.  They exist in their little echo chamber where food, water, consumer goods, tax dollars, light, heat and air conditioning flow in like magic.

When they finally Fuck Up Tough, it's gonna be a nasty, nasty break.  They've damn near pushed people, the real people, far enough that they don't care.  If these ass hats running around pretending to be our betters could only see it, could only fathom what awaits.  But they don't, I know this simply by the fact that they're still attempting to keep the lie alive.

And funny thing is it's the one thing this world needs to get back on track.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:20 | 2484271 A Lunatic
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Buy a flack jacket.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:39 | 2484376 Cpl Hicks
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Flack jackets- required attire for presidential press secretaries.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:26 | 2484560 CR Bill
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I opted for CR, have applied for citizenship which should be in 1 1/2 years.

Working on getting free.

Very glad to be gone.



Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:06 | 2484475 GeezerGeek
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Re the Sam Richards video: A great presentation by an anti-Christian, America-hating libtard working at a pedophile-protecting university.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:25 | 2484530 hedgeless_horseman
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Argumentum ad hominem much?

Maybe try Yahoo, or someplace where that shit will fly.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:29 | 2484574 vast-dom
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:35 | 2484583 hedgeless_horseman
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Exactly.  Good example, vast-dom.  Thank you!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:48 | 2484641 vast-dom
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wiki links = douche to the Nth.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 19:09 | 2486286 GeezerGeek
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I find it impossible to have empathy for adherents to a religion that has expanded by force or the threat of force since its inception. If the roles were reversed - if there was a globally powerful caliphate and the US was a third-world nation - they wouldn't think twice about forcing our submission.

The professor gets his analogies wrong regarding the Christians because he assumes everyone in the past who called themselves Christian were acting in accordance with the teachings of that religion. Clearly those who ran the Spanish Inquisition were not able to base anything they did on the New Testament teachings. Further, those who did try to force conversions to Christianity had no theological reason to expect its efficacy. I won't bother with the other problems presented by the lack of understanding (of Christianity) exhibited by the professor. On the flip side, Islam is all about submission. Submit or die was the rule when they had the upper hand militarily. The Quran is filled with examples of that sort of mindset.

His anti-Americanism doesn't stop to consider significant differences between the U.S. and Islamic states. When was the last time any Islamic country let all its residents worship freely without submitting to the theocratic state? Does the word 'dhimmitude' ring a bell? In many Islamic countries professing to be Christian or Jewish or Hindu is a crime, and conversion out of Islam is punishable by death. And I'm supposed to have empathy for such as these? Next, tell me when was the last time an Islamic country liberated other countries in a major war, helped rebuild the enemy's countries without forcing a religious conversion, and then withdrew the bulk of its armies. The US did that after WW II for both Japan and Germany. Islamic conquerers had to be kicked out by force of arms, like Spain in the late fifteenth century. Huge differences exist.

And by the way, the word 'crusade' is used to denote the marshalling of forces for far more than simply religious wars. The original ones were intended to liberate the middle east from the conquering Muslims. I know of no religious connotations attached to the 'Crusade in Europe', a reference to the liberation of Western Europe from Nazi conquerors.

My distaste for the reverse empathy ploy was founded in fact, despite your misguided attempt to label it 'ad hominem'. I just didn't think it was necessary to point out the flaws in the presentation. I assumed anyone who listened would recognize the problems. They were, as a professor of mine might have put it, intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. Apparently you failed to do that. Or maybe you simply objected to my backhanded slap at Penn State. After what they did to Paterno they deserved it.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:27 | 2484307 g speed
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@ SHEEP F ---nope--it's cyberterrorism --there fixed it for ya

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:40 | 2484381 A Nanny Moose
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Real war avoided. Perhaps Time's Person of the Year is in order....just like Adolph and Uncle Joe. Uncle Joe won twice too....why not poor Barry?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:50 | 2485013 AcidRastaHead
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Centrifuges are people too!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:03 | 2484152 Winston Churchill
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An act of war.

So Obummer leaks this to help his re coronation.

Whats sauce for the goose is ....

Iran has some very competent mathameticians ans software engineers.

Plus the Chinese will sell anything for oil.Also all those built in trapdoors

on their IC chips.

I always wondered what living in the stone age wouls be like.Seems we

all going to find out if the ME goes hot.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:08 | 2484202 SWRichmond
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+1, act of war.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:27 | 2484313 Marginal Call
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China is engaged in cyber warfare vs. the USA 24/7.


It's a free for all right now, and has been for a while.  This news leaked out is nothing more than Obama's camp trying to sew up the Jew vote. 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:45 | 2484393 XitSam
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For the record, I thought we had hackers actively taking down systems during the Bosnian conflict.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:53 | 2484424 Kestrel_1
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For sure, everyone is engaged in cyber warfare and has been for some time.  China stole military secrects so many times over the years.

Its fun to read for a few minutes all the haters hang obama (metaphorically of course).  1-up Marginal Call.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:07 | 2484484 karzai_luver
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a true nutso opinion, is there any evidence that Rombamma would be more lenient toward those horrible mulla dudes?


what are you smoking.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:41 | 2484613 Marginal Call
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It's not a question of "would Romney be more lenient".  Of course he wouldn't.  


It's a question of "is Obama tough enough?" to satisfy Bibi.  If the answer is no, the velvet glove comes off, and they go with the hammer. 

Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:19 | 2487949 Cathartes Aura
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Rothschilds in China since Kissinger opened the doors, when Nixon admin "went off the gold standard" - it's a narrative for people who like their stories already told. . .

nationstates are fictions, tales told by those who know better - believed in by those who don't.  fill in any blanks with personal beliefs, and viola!  sides be taken, haters be hatin'

fun to follow the twisted tales "released to the media" - I mean, c'mon, the NEW YAWK TIMES?????   why is this not questioned, or more pointedly - LOL'd at??

because it fits the narrative(s). . .

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:16 | 2484251 Manthong
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They need something big to distract from what they have done to the money system and the markets.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:13 | 2484515 prodigious_idea
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Sort of a twist on the Bread and Circuses concept?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:23 | 2484291 DaveyJones
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"Plus the Chinese will sell anything for oil"

is that better or worse than bombing anything for oil?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:54 | 2484429 Spastica Rex
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It's feminine, so it must be worse.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:56 | 2485036 Oh regional Indian
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When I I think of the feminine, it's usually verse.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:24 | 2485199 Spastica Rex
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:11 | 2484506 GMadScientist
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It's not so much the selling anything as the doing anything for a reserve buck.

Ask the workers at Foxconn and the Chinese environment how they feel about the matter.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:03 | 2484468 Chump
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Exactly.  Just wait until China uses any of those backdoors or Iran has the audacity to return fire.  Those would be the real acts of war, amirite?  When we do it it's just a pre-emptive tactical strike.  Very smart, very moral.  Think of the chil'run.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:09 | 2484493 karzai_luver
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China bckdoors are in this country. good times for all.

Nothing fails like those who know they are the "smartest guy in the room".


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:04 | 2484164 Ruffcut
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Next we will find out that he used the cyber weapon to pad his campaign account taking the loot from MF global, and his buddy corzine gave the team all the codes. Like taking cocaine away from charlie sheen.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:27 | 2484316 Alea Iactaest
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No, we'll find out the software was used to secure sufficent votes to retain the Presidency.

Strike that. We'll never hear about that one.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:08 | 2484205 john39
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>>>Or Israel ordered Obummer to accept fault!

this seems like the correct interpretation.  especially with the new discovery of the Flame malware/spyware coming out....   i get a good chuckle listening to the MSM talking heads talk around the obvious fact that Isreal is behind flame as well.  they can't even say the word Isreal.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:37 | 2484367 Chupacabra-322
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@ Pladizpow,

you left out the Mossad.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:56 | 2484442 bob_dabolina
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When does Obama and Pelosi thank speculators for the drop in oil prices?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:51 | 2484651 pkea
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don't the iranians have a closed network at their nuclear facilities? pretty sure it is not an open one.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:03 | 2484145 Poetic injustice
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For such a great idea you should get peace AND economy prize.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:08 | 2484200 williambanzai7
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:15 | 2484238 HoofHearted
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So he's macho GIJoe type and he is a gay president. How much luckier can a country get???

(Do I even need the /sarc tag?)

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:34 | 2484319 DaveyJones
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good one Banzai

"started in the bush administration but significantly increased during the Obama administration"

...just like the budget

now Johnny, I want you to write 100 times: "all presidents will get exponentially worse until this place blows"

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:49 | 2484411 Augustus
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I suppose that if O'Bummer decided to actually bomb Iran he could blame that on Bush as the aircraft was purchased by the Bush administration.  This A$$ will give away any element of national security, then blame someone else for making him do it.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:49 | 2484408 Cpl Hicks
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Does "Dinner with Barack" come with the First Wookie and a complementary gaylo?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:50 | 2484415 takinthehighway
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WB, do you have a composite photo of Obama/Romney to go with the one of Obama/Bush?

Thanks for your brilliant work and all the chuckles.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:47 | 2484223 xtop23
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Thanks for helping with the pirates the other day gents. That good press bought you 2 weeks.

Now be a good little vassal and bend over please,

Daddy O needs to bring in the big win and the petrodollar scam must be protected at all costs.

Your bypass of SWIFT utilizing gold was a bridge too far.

Queue the war drums and a full scale media blitz with Hannity hawking polaroids of Dr. Strangelove and the coming nuclear holocaust while McCain gesticulates on the Senate floor telling us that the rebels are the greatest people on the Earth and MUST be subsidized with weaponry and air suppport for democracy.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:18 | 2484263 bonddude
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Can we then expect Vote machine "code s t u x" ??? I think we know the answer.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:26 | 2484562 vast-dom
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:49 | 2484648 pkea
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don't the iranians have a closed network for the nuclear facilities? it is hard to imagine that it is an open network....

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:30 | 2485241 DosZap
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don't the iranians have a closed network for the nuclear facilities? it is hard to imagine that it is an open network....

Dood, there is no such thing any more.Only folks who think they are.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:57 | 2484105 Itch
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Euro heading for total headfuck!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:58 | 2484107 phat ho
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quiet, Quiet on the set..... and; ACTION

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:06 | 2484176 ArrestBobRubin
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That was the line used on the Lunar sets too!

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:19 | 2484272 KK Tipton
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"We are on the fucking moon, over"

NASA finds the tapes - YouTube -




Fri, 06/01/2012 - 12:59 | 2484647 hedgeless_horseman
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NASA finds the [missing video] tapes.

Now, maybe they will finally find where they can put enough fuel in the Lunar Landing Module for both the retro-rocket descent and ascent stages.


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 13:45 | 2484993 LFMayor
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HH, i like your posts, so let me give you a little friendly advice.  Don't call Buzz Aldrin a liar to his face.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:57 | 2484108 TwoJacks
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isn't time for a little baseball?  where is wallstreetpro2 when you need him?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:57 | 2484111 insanelysane
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Is there video of them all sitting around the war room and watching the action live?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:31 | 2484337 Marginal Call
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You've seen him playing on his blackberry?  You saw it then. 

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:57 | 2484112 phat ho
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 10:57 | 2484114 Bill D. Cat
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Dude sure has killed a bunch of people and blown a ton of shit up for a Nobel Peace Prize winner .

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:04 | 2484161 roadhazard
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 Don't forget that God is on his side too.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:24 | 2484300 LoneCapitalist
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Which one?

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:29 | 2484321 xtop23
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:35 | 2484358 TuesdayBen
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Fri, 06/01/2012 - 14:54 | 2485357 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Which one?

Obama is a practitioner of Bale worship.

Total absorbtion - CHOOM!!!


Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:31 | 2484334 Papasmurf
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He IS god.

Fri, 06/01/2012 - 11:06 | 2484184 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Maybe Bush will get 2 Nobel Peace Prizes, one for each war he started.  And maybe a 3rd one for waterboarding? 

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