Obama Wants His Drone Back
Several days after being humiliated by Iran which either shot down a EQ-170 drone, or worse, hacked into its navigation system and landed it, Obama has decided to double down, and stick the other foot in his mouth. As ABC reports in connection with Obama's handling of this embarrassing predicament, ""We've asked for it back. We'll see how the Iranians respond," Obama said at a news conference. Obama said he wouldn't comment further "on intelligence matters that are classified." Great, the only problem is Iran will never return it, as they have already indicated, for the simple reason that it has already been reverse engineered 5 ways from Sunday somewhere deep in the bowels of one of China's unpopulated cities, which just doubles as a very populated military intelligence base. The only good news is that within 6-9 months every American will be able to buy a personal stealth drone for a new low, low price at their friendly neighborhood Wal-Mart. Our only concern is whether FoxConn will be able to handle the supply of both iPads and straight for re-export drones: it would be ironic if this massive military embarrassment ends up as being a catalyst to short Apple.
A senior Iranian military commander, however, said on Iranian television Sunday that not only would Iran not turn over the drone, but warned of a "bigger response" to the "hostile act" of crossing into Iranian airspace.
"No one returns the symbol of aggression to the party that sought secret and vital intelligence related to the national security of a country," Iranian Islamic Revolution Guards Corps [IRGC] Lt. Commander Gen. Hossein Salami said, according to Iran's Fars News Agency.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said told reporters today that "given Iran's behavior to date, we do not expect them to comply" with Obama's request. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta also said he didn't expect Iran to hand over the drone, but told reporters, "I think it's important to make that request."
Several Iranian state-run media reports claim the country plans to "reverse engineer" the RQ-170 Sentinel and "will replicate the captured U.S.-built stealth aircraft in the future." In another report featured on Iranian television, an Iranian lawmaker claimed the country's experts were almost finished extracting data from the drone and would be using some of it to file a lawsuit against the U.S. for its "invasion," according to a report by The Associated Press.
"Military experts are well aware how precious the technological information of this drone is," IRGC Aerospace Forces Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh said last week according to local reports. "It can play a key role in Iran's intelligence interactions with the U.S. rivals."
On the reason of the "interception"
According to U.S. officials, the drone was on a classified surveillance
mission for the CIA in western Afghanistan when operators lost control due to a malfunction. From there, the drone glided into Iranian airspace before crashing.
The Iranian military initially claimed it had "shot down" the drone, but later said it was able to bring it down with relatively little damage through an electronic attack. Pentagon spokesperson Capt. John Kirby told reporters last week there was no indication the drone was brought down by "hostile activity of any kind."
As for the top secret drone itself...
The Sentinel, an unarmed long-range surveillance drone known as The Beast of Kandahar, was such a closely held secret that the U.S. Air Force did not even acknowledge its existence until late 2009.
Panetta said it was unclear what technological value the drone could still have, depending on its condition.
Here's a guess: the non-technological value may be low but the barter value is enough to where Iran will leverage it to get anything and everything from the Chinese, to whom the technological value will be quite enough.
And as a reminder, here is the Iranian video of the captured drone:
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If Obama return the Nobel peace prize, Iran shall return the drone.
Euro might not survive christmas:
http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/28-11-2011/119756-euro-0/
This means war with iRan will be launched before christmas.
The Iranian military initially claimed it had "shot down" the drone, but later said it was able to bring it down with relatively little damage through an electronic attack. Pentagon spokesperson Capt. John Kirby told reporters last week there was no indication the drone was brought down by "hostile activity of any kind."
Bitchez,
Don't believe any of this stuff. The plane was delivered to them intact. The Illuminati puppet masters play both sides of the field. What will Iran do with the drone? Hand it over to Russia and China. The development of the predator drones will come back to haunt us, literally. You are witnessing propaganda in preparation for WWIII.
I am a bit more worried that they will be freely flown around the US and that Russia or China is not to blame.
pods
"I am a bit more worried that they will be freely flown around the US"
Already happening according to a recent Drudge Report link. I am hoping that this will help to nullify this threat to Americans fourth amendment rights by making the controlling signals known to all - for jamming or outright takeover of nosy drones.
On the other hand, I agree that it was flown into Iranian airspace and "gifted" to them. Most probably to give them dated technology or to wow them with our abilities. I would find find it amusing if while they are deconstructing it an unexpected detonation occurs.
"Already happening according to a recent Drudge Report link."
I wonder how an .06 or 7mm works on em.
And finding a taxidermist to stuff one of those suckers must be a real chore ;-)
Foxconn should have a functional equivalent of this, being built alongside iPads, in about a year, sold to anyone and shipped free, for the low, low price of 1/800th of whatever it cost the U.S. taxpayers (now that the very bloated MIC R&D and testing was already covered).
It's just like when Lipitor goes off patent, only more so!
It would be cool wouldn't it. Our own citizen drone fleet...the CDF...lol.
Clearly, this calls for a blue ribbon panel of experts to be formed and then come forward with a proposal of a brand new regulatory body formed under DHS. Quickly adopted in the dead of night in a last minute omnibus spending bill of course.
Well, it was fun while it lasted.
A drone droning about a drone.
You lose your puppy or sumpin?
C'mon, give it back!
Pretty Please??
Far more embarrassing are the videos of the Iranians parading around the captured miniature drone pilot, blindfolded and unaware of the mass rioting, chanting and screaming obscenities at him for being an American dog.
I suspected that there was a tiny little Francis Gary Powers in there.
Wake up Wolf Blitzer. He's needed to host a new ABC show. "Nightlight: Day XX, America's Drone held Hostage". Oh, the humanity.
One thing that is hard to explain is the choice of color. This looks more like a 3rd world country color. I am thinking this is not American made. Maybe it's Iranian made out of styrofoam. The grille is such low tech. and the bottom which can reveal spying cameras and weapons is purposefully hidden from view. Maybe it's a replica sent there as a practical joke to see Iran's reaction.
No matter what it is and whoose it is, it's there for the viewing world for propaganda to the sheeple. Welcome to the United states of entertainment.
Too bad it's now always about fighting and killing.
Awesome would be if the drone suddenly popped up a video projector, and played some funny stuff. Like a Mickey Mouse cartoon. A true Onion Moment.
I mean, just look at the pure theatrics of asking for it back. Perhaps, next, the US will ask countries it has bombed to return unexploded munitions?
The theater has really been reduced to the absurd, clearly targeted at the Lowest Common D!
ORI
/the-plan/
Or it plays back, "help me Obi Wan, you're my only hope."
The lower part was hidden from public view by the iRanians in order to conceal the fact that this model does not sport a landing gear. This motherfucker levitates!
Would explain the lack of damage, eh?
Yea...scripted like Jeff Gold-blum (funny name) and Will Smith flew into alien space to plant a virus in Indpendence Day...sweet. Ha.
May be they did flew the dummy drone in under a captured Iranian aircraft. Ha. Ha.
So poker play by Obumma. Show me the "real" mccoy? Ha. Ha. Ha.
Entertainment at its best. Absurd, said ORI.
Yeah, was wondering about that metal-primer colour myself ... an unpainted prototype? ... or a radar absorbant applique? ... that just happens to look like a messed-up nappy.
Bazza, you sure you want this back?
When compared to the photos of the RQ-170 that I've seen, this does indeed look like a plastic mock-up. It's shint white, whereas the photos suggest it's normally a matt gray. Which makes me wonder.... did the US build a 'mock', low-capability RQ-170 to fly over Iran, so the Iranians would/could down it, thereby providing a pretext for escalations when they (inevitably) refuse to hand it back? And also... give the Iranians a false sense of their own capabilities? So they think the can see/down an RQ-170, when in reality, their skies are full of them, flying around undetected?
Or did the Iraninas build the mock-up themselves? Because the actual drone was badly damaged on landing/crashing? Or because the original has already been shipped to China?
Once you start pondering this stuff, the possibilities are endless...
and the most plausible possibility being the one you and others bizarrely try to deny. Iran has got his hands on a real RQ-170S.
I agree with those who think that Russia and China will be thankful and happy. and that's the best profit Iran will take from it.
I should warn you americans that Iran is the bite too big to chew that could turn the composed downsizing of the US hegemony into a harsh collapse. much like WWI for the UK empire and WWII for the european powers. Especially China is waiting and salivating.
Nice mischaracterisation of my post.
What I'm discussing is why the Iranian 'RQ-170' doesn't look much like any of the photos we've seen.
Those are interesting thoughts bombon.
A US harsh collapse means europe turns back to feudalism in the best case scenario.
The other option is turning into a caliphate.
I always pay attention. +1 Patience is a virtue?
an .06? Are u nuts? These things fly well beyond small-arms range and you won't even know it's up there nor be able to hit it. You'd need AA guns to hit one and the fkin thing is stealth...how you gonna even see it?
The doctrine for shooting at aircraft with small arms is the static wall of fire principle...anyone thinking that a rifle with a maybe 400 yard effective range is going to down an aircraft is a total fool
Check Tepco. And Cyclone season in the Southern Hemisphere. { sp ?} Merry Christmas!
Makes sense now.
Ogolfer's base in Australia is not to piss off China. Seems like major evac will take place down under.
You really have no clue what you're talking about do you? a 6mm only has an effective range of 400yards now? LOL! Moron.
Aimed straight up?
There's a machinist in the US that made a Gatling gun with .308 barrels. If you tied an electric motor to the hand crank. I bet it would take it down eventually. There are a number of very smart people. Not only that. I know of some kids that are developing sound seeking rockets as school science project. If you can see it, or if you can hear it you can take it down.
Hooper: That's a twenty footer.
Quint: Twenty-five. Three tons of him.
Obama sounds like a guy that kicked a soccer ball over the fence. Hey, ya mind tossing that back? What a tard. Of course they are not going to give it back.
He forgot to mention the recon strategy that the military had considered to take it back.
We asked for it back.
Exclusive breaking News!...
Ahmadinejad's reply...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PBbf41_XyyY/Tuclxwy0pAI/AAAAAAAAEH8/Yo91zE3tXb8/s1600/nope.JPG
and Hillary announces they probably won't give it back...well duh.
The entertainment value is priceless.
Monica Lewinsky could have given Hillary a mouthful of Clintonesque if things were arranged a bit differently.
It's at the Alamo. In the basement.
Lib media is still out there calling Obama a smart man. The farce continues.
Homeland Security is giving out .gov fiat loans to help the local policing forces get their very own drone - I think Texas is one of the first to add it to their arsenal, and other state Congress-critters have voted to allow them access to airspace. . .
with all those aerosoling jets, getting a bit crowded up there - wonder if the drones can see through the aircrap?
Occupy mylar-lined tents.
My suspicion is that those remote controlled drones are extremely susceptible to electronic override by an very strong signal. That plane had no visible damage and it's not built to fighter jet standards. It's basically a monster sized REVELL model. I think Iran figured out how to take over the controls and flew that sucker in for a nice, smooth landing.
Doesn't bode well for the next 'Shock and Awe' campaign, does it?
They may be susceptible to jamming but the bird would fly home if control was lost. No way to override, the communications would be encrypted and uncrackable. Hard to think of a scenario where the intact bird ends up in enemy hands by accident.
That bird won't fly!
The Dead Drone sketch
By Pepe Escobar
CIA spook: Oh yes, the, uh, the RQ-170 ... And your information is incorrect, that was in eastern Afghanistan. What's, uh ... What's wrong with it?
Journalist 1: I'll tell ya what's wrong with it, buddy. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it.
CIA spook: No, no, it's uh ... it's resting.
Journalist 1: In the freaking Iranian desert? Look, buddy, we all know a dead drone when we see one, and I'm looking at one - in Iran - right now.
CIA spook: No, no, it's not dead, it's ... it's restin'! Remarkable drone, the RQ-170, ain't it? Beautiful radar-evading piece of technology, right? Can't tell you more about it because it's classified.
Journalist 1: "Classified" doesn't cut it. It's stone dead.
CIA spook: Nononono, no, no! It's resting!
Journalist 1: All right then, if it's restin', I'll wake it up! [Shouting at a joystick] 'Ello, Mister Dodo Drone! I've got a lovely fresh IRGC [Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps] target for you if you just show ...
[CIA spook hits the joystick]
CIA spook: There, it beeped!
Journalist 1: No, it didn't, that was you hitting the remote control!
CIA spook: I never!!
http://atimes.com/atimes/middle_east/ml09ak02.html
And if they can do it to that (if they did that is), they maybe also able to do it to cruise missiles now that all the new upgraded varients support realtime datalinks and can be continuously re-targeted in flight.
Well, since at least 2005 the military has been using COTS (commercial, off the shelf) hardware and equipment. The control systems are therfore Made In China, probably the US part of the design, the software f.ex., would likely have involved several exceptionally gifted Chinese engineers.
This is why "we" are reduced to bombing rubble into smaller rubble and fighting tribespeople: Any real opponent would just buy the "kill-codes" from the PLA via the Chinese clone of ebay. All credit cards accepted.
The simple fact that Lies not only usurp technology in net influence, they exploit it full-tilt along the way... that is where to place your worry -- whatever worry you have left to give.
The Simpleness of lies and their destructive force, so forgotten.
The simple fact is...
If you lose your Spy Drone in hostile territory, you don't ask for it back. EVER.
another thought,
IF 9/11 had never happened, would America be so willing to have an army of drones?
We've got a $500,000 drone here in Texas now patrolling the skies.
This backs up my theory that good sci-fi writers were actually prophets.
Regardless as to whether everything's an illusion, designed to keep divide & conquer as a strategy alive, I see a future of mankinds inexorable proclivity towards war and violence fought with gnat sized drones, possessing more raw computing power each than a now modern Apache, blackening the skies.
Disposable, super-advanced, silent, swarming killers, blackening the skies, bitchez.
those things are old tech....join the 21st century...google nano satellites...how about a swarm of them over Iran..try shootin one of them down..or hackin em...future bitchez...
How about nano-tech RFID dust.
Last chance saloon for free humanity.
Anyone ever see the bigdog in action? Creepy. Relentless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ&feature=related
NewThor,
I'm sure that there are some good sci-fi writers, but it seems you misconstrued my comment.
I was not disagreeing with you, sir.
Just adding another simple fact to your simple fact.
I am a bit more worried that they will be freely flown around the US and that Russia or China is not to blame.
pods
In a war scenario you can have it both ways. "Uh, no sir, that was not one of our drones that blew up all those innocent Americans, it must of have been the Russians". We will go to war with Russia. I've been saying this for over a year here on ZH.
I believe this card explains the predator drones:
http://media.adamdodson.org/index.php/Illuminati-Card-Game/church-of-mid...
The thing looks fake. The web has plenty of pictures of that model and it is looks somewhat like it but not that close. Why is the teleprompter islamic lying?
I wonder if FoxConn cane make a home teleprompter game like the RockStar home game? You can make all these BS speeches like the islmo puppet. Say lines like "eat your damn peas!"
Does stupid hurt?
Sadly, it doesn't seem to be painful to the carrier. :>(
Lol not much I can add to that, but if the teleprompter is so Islamic, why doesn't he just ring up his fellow Mohammedin Amedinejad, and ask him for his frisbee back?
I believe it is in Islamic law that if a Moslem brother ask for help you must or somehow ~will?!~ provide it.
Yeah, tell that to the Sunni and Shiite. Brotherly love, like Cain.
There's a different game being played here.
it has a dent on the left wing ridge and several scratches. it was for sure hacked and had a system interrupt. the thing fainted and fell out of the sky onto some kind of soft ground. The Swiss asked politely for the US to have it back in private last week. It is one of the toys the US would have liked to keep quiet with its shark skin cloaking capabilities. the thing likely does not need a battery or power source. I have to laugh because it has nothing to do with the present American Administration at all. It has to do with a defense department in the throws of defections and corruption and likely much more. fun to watch from afar.
"Asking for the drone back" is so ridiculous that what initially smelled like a Trojan Horse is now plain as day.
This means war with iRan will be launched before christmas.
My sources told me that something significant would occur on or a couple of days before christmas. Without any details given, it might be the Euro crisis or war with Iran, or both. Though I lean towards a Euro crash or beginnings of a crash. I stated this on ZH on December 1 2011.
Something significant to be announced tomorrow near Geneva.
G-d particle is now being mass produced.
Pb + Higgs -> Au + X
Transmutation bitchez!
Let me add a little more. The plan/plot is intended to spoil Christmas so as to start the new year on a bad foot (which is putting it lightly). 2012 is intended to be very tense. Though I believe the hammer will drop after Obama is re-elected.
I think Ogolfer needs major unseemingly never ending war before elections. It's the only chance he's got to give 4 more years of Hope and Change.
Yes, according to Lindsay Williams, Obama has promised everyone that there will be war with Iran no later than Sept/Oct of 2012. The Teleprompter needs it to ensure his election victory because no sitting president has EVER failed to get re-elected during a major war.
However, the hope is that all of the covert sabotage the US and Israelis are pressing on Iran will cause them to get mad and strike out. Then the US will falsely claim Iran is the aggressor and attack. Most likely if Iran does not strike out another false flag event will be play-acted by the US government and Israelis and that will be the excuse. (the odds on favorite is for the US government false flag event to happen in Atlanta)
The biggest question is whether it will be WWIII and how extensive it will be. The Russians have already armed the Iranians with high speed missiles to take out the US ships in the Perisan Gulf and outside the Straits. So, the navy will be used as a sacrifice to the Teleprompter's re-election campaign.
I have always assumed the war would be the pretext to declare martial law / a draft of all unemployed folks and college loan, government debt slaves. Oh by the way, we're cancelling the November elections until this rough patch is ironed out. Win / Win / Win.
Why Atlanta?
Just paraphaseing Gerald Celente but doesn't hey say something to the effect of "when all else fails they take you to war".
December 24 is the dark of the moon. Ideal time for aerial attacks. Merry Christ-what-a-mess y'all.
The Euro could go almost anytime...but the Iran War is not yet. Right now there's one US Carrier Battle Group in the eastern Med, one in the Persian Gulf. Not nearly enough firepower, even with an Israeli add-on, to prevent Iran from shutting down the Hormuz Straits, hammering the oil terminals, and killing the dollar. When it goes to 2+2 CBG's, maybe 2+4, some combination like that, then it's BigWar. Still won't work....but ZOG is determined to try.
Syria goes first...then Iran.
To do Iran is going to require some kind of uprising that we can "defend" and some kind of signon from "the Arab League" and shit like that.
Once we build the coalition for cover, we move.
Something is wrong in the picture. There's no way China+Russia will sit this one out.
Why take out the long range missile R&D lab and then have the media declare that the explosions must have been an accident.
iRan would not admit their site was demolished by foreign forces (pride, major sin) so they just never aknowledged the fact.
Will that be used as cover when iRanian nukes "accidentally" explode in situ?
Then we will have the MSM racist media declare "See, we told you brown people should not play with nukes. Now lets go over and take Paki's nukes before they blow themselves up like the ayatollahs.".
This way iRan is taken out, without a real declared war, negating China+Russia the cover to enter in iRan's defense.
Catholic Christmas? What's the other one? Unitarian Christmas?
Orthodox.
Now go back to your trailer and keep watching "Dancing with the Stars".
Please return it, or I'll start bombing for reals. Sincerely yours, Obummer.
I think the literally heartless ghoul Cheney suggested the same thing. How old is this tech exactly? It seems that by the time we ever get a wind of such things it's 10 or 20 years old.
By now they're probably totally autonomous and able to communicate with each other.
That's crazy.
Batshit DARPA crazy.
Yep, it looks like it's pre-desktop PC old. Would not surprise me if it really is old.
I read a few years back that LockMart were examining the feasibility of developing a prototype F-35 version that was fully autonomous, with the weight and space savings from having no regular cockpit or pilot support system and avionics, then used to support a tactical laser.
And this possibility is clearly not out of the question because at about the same time the USN did in fact develop and demonstrate an autonomous refueling system for fighter jets, where the pilot no longer had to do the refuelling, the F/A-18 did it all by itself.
And the implications are that this means is you have an large unmanned low observable autonomous refueller, and a flight of autonomous F-35 fighters, with lasers or JASSM-ER stealth cruise missiles circling off your maritime EEZ 24/7 ... and you probably wouldn't know it.
Which therefore means, expect a lot more anti-satelite weapons and anti-drone systems and tactical lasers to appear, to deal with them quickly.
Did you say "start bombing for reals" or "start bombing for Israels?" or is that what you meant, were implying, cuz they're just frothing at the mouth for any excuse to get rid of those "revisionists".
Obama makes another address to Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9VDSIm_Oo
When the "facts" come out it will be learned that the drone was on a humanitarian mission and Obama will earn another Nobel peace prize.
I would pay real money to see President Ahminijihad (or however it's spelled) say that on Iranian national television.
he wants his approval rating back too
Finders keeperzz biatch.
Thatz like.. a peeping tom taking pictures and videos of ur wife and knocking on the door to get your gear back after they ripped it out of the wall. At first I thought it was a hoax. Now I believe they really do have it. How did they get it in one piece... Electronic RF hijacking? This is much more embarrassing than the U2 incident.
Clawbacks bitchez!
I Love it. Can't wait to get one at Wal- mart! I will wait in line for that!
No need to do that; dealextreme.com will have them by the end of January.