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Obama's Attempt To Use #OWS As A Diversionary Smoke Screen Fails: 56% Believe Washington To Blame For Crisis And Recession

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Zero Hedge is the last to cut Wall Street, with its rampant criminality, conflicts of interest, and corruption, any slack - in fact we are often the first to expose it. That said, we have long found it surprising that popular anger is focused on this particular group of individuals, instead of targeting the just as, if not far more, culpable for the current economic collapse enabling focal point known as Washington D.C. As has been discussed previously, it is no surprise that none other than the president has been quick to embrace the Occupy Wall Street movement and its offshoots as his own: after all it cleanly and efficiently deflects attention from his own near-3 year performance as president. Surely Obama is neither the first (nor last) to recognize that the scapegoating of a "minority" group (as the Wall Street "1%" clearly is) and use it as a catalyst for class warfare, is a historically very successful tactic. Well, while thousands of people may express their displeasure with their plight openly before the traditional symbols of Wall Street, it would appear that Obama is failing in his attempt at global diversion from the place where popular anger should truly lie: Congress, Senate, and of course, the White House, without whose (and by 'whose' here we clearly envision Tim Geithner, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke) blessings Wall Street would not exist in its current form. Yet it does, and many have figured that out. According to a brand new poll by The Hill, "in the minds of likely voters, Washington, not Wall Street, is primarily to blame for the financial crisis and the subsequent recession. The movement appears to have struck a chord with progressive voters, but it does not seem to represent the feelings of the wider public. The Hill poll found that only one in three likely voters blames Wall Street for the country’s financial troubles, whereas more than half — 56 percent — blame Washington. Moreover, when it comes to the political consequences of the protest, voters tend to believe that there are more perils than positives for Obama and the Democrats." Sorry Obama, your attempt to demonize bankers (who richly deserve the public pariah status they have achieved, not least of due to the in vitro world they occupy, where anything less than $1 million is pocket change) has failed, and the people recognize that real social change, one that must and will impact Wall Street, has to begin with the commodity most often purchased  by Wall Street: politicians... such as yourself.

From The Hill:

A plurality believe that the Occupy Wall Street movement will hurt Democrats and Obama in the 2012 election. Even those whose sympathies lie on the left of center seem unsure about the likely political repercussions. Just half of all liberal likely voters — the group most likely to blame Wall Street for the recession — and fewer than half of all Democrats believe the protests will help their side next year.


The split on the question of apportioning blame for the nation’s economic travails corresponds closely with voters’ political ideologies: More than 7 in 10 conservatives blamed Washington for the recession, while more than 5 in 10 liberals blamed Wall Street.


But self-identified centrists, importantly, appear to be siding with the right on economic issues, with nearly half blaming Washington for the recession.


The difference also reflected voters’ views of Obama: Among those who “strongly” or “somewhat” approve of the president, most blamed Wall Street, while those who “strongly” or “somewhat” disapprove of the president blamed Washington.


Interestingly, those who described themselves as “not sure” about Obama nonetheless blamed Wall Street over Washington by a more than two-to-one margin, 55 percent to 23 percent.

The poll was based on the responses of 1,000 people and has a +/-3% margin of error. The full poll results are below.



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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:22 | 1782486 Clueless Economist
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WTF??? Only 56%????

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1782525 ratso
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There's a lot more to Washingto than Obama

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:57 | 1782547 ZerOhead
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You're right... so many free attractions... clean public washrooms... and the weather during winter is much much nicer!

Occupy Washington

Occupy Congress

Occupy the Fed Mothership

(2014 will mark the official bicentennial and possible re-enactment of it burning down to the ground... funded by the Iranians no doubt... )

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:58 | 1782632 TrafficNotHere
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Wall Street is the symptom of the cancer that is DC.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:05 | 1782663 Fox-Scully
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Lets include the media that has to be the best that money can buy!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:08 | 1782674 Ahmeexnal
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56% is about correct.
The other 44% are on Ogolfer's foodstamps. That 44% are the ones who blame the mexicans and other minorities.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:38 | 1782804 Surly Bear
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OWS is Van Jones is Obama.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:46 | 1782811 Dental Floss Tycoon
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I loved this Ratigan rant putting the blame where it belongs. . . . A bought congress.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:09 | 1782950 lincolnsteffens
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Thanks for the link. I've watched Ratigan sporadically and think he tries his best but I missed this one. I probably didn't see it because I can't stand to watch the financial TV stations or for that matter all commercial TV. It is too bad that Link TV adds melodramatic background music to their stuff because it is a real turn off for me.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:38 | 1782548 X.inf.capt
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yeah, like



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:40 | 1782553 swamp
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Are you making excuses for the dick-tator?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1782578 Sudden Debt
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Sobers you up knowingthat half the population totally doesn't have a clue and doesn't care less he?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:48 | 1782590 Freddie
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Sadly OWS is pretty much ACORN 2.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:57 | 1782628 fuu
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I am saddened that only 33% know who the true criminals are.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:17 | 1783228 midtowng
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Washington is bought and sold by Wall Street.

Thus Washington doesn't do anything that at least some part of Wall Street doesn't want done.

That 56% think Washington is more responsible for the mess shows that Fox News propoganda is still winning.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1782490 devo
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Most people believe they are in bed with one another, and thus both are to blame.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1782538 Panafrican Funk...
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Incomplete logic to blame one but not the other.  It's the ultimate circle jerk.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:47 | 1782588 X.inf.capt
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Mr. president...

how much money did you take from the SQUID?

thank you,

a vet...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1782609 Freddie
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Obama has looted the Treasury and OWS is silent.  It is a lot of gimmie gimmie and they are silent how Goldman, hedge funds, Dimo et al were Obama's biggest contributors.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:06 | 1783404 Spastica Rex
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You are not listening.

Or you are full of shit.

Or you are obfuscating.

Believe you want to belive and go back to your TV.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:25 | 1783258 nmewn
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Bravo Tyler;

"That said, we have long found it surprising that popular anger is focused on this particular group of individuals, instead of targeting the just as, if not far more, culpable for the current economic collapse enabling focal point known as Washington D.C."

The bailouts didn't fall from the sky.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:55 | 1783983 -Michelle-
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You don't blame children for eating too much candy.  Children are by nature greedy, selfish, and lacking in judgement.  You blame the parents who allow the children unfettered access to the candy, who offer sweets to buy love, obedience, and a few minutes of quiet.

Wall Street and DC are just one big dysfunctional family.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 05:48 | 1784370 nmewn
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"Children are by nature greedy, selfish, and lacking in judgement. You blame the parents who allow the children unfettered access to the candy, who offer sweets to buy love, obedience, and a few minutes of quiet."

This has been my point since day one Michelle.

The parent in this dysfunctional family is DC.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1782491 surf0766
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give it time. The sheep have not fully figure out OWS is being run by marxists.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:26 | 1782493 devo
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That is like saying the Tea Party is run by fascists.

Okay, Fox Mulder.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:42 | 1782564 Conrad Murray
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Just as the Tea Party was co-opted by Statists(give it whatever particular label you like), so has the OWS movement.

If you are a Democrat, you are part of the problem. If you are a Republican, you are part of the problem.

End the State. End the Fed.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1782608 devo
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Well, I am neither. I believe in logic and moderation. The Native Americans ran this country best.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:55 | 1782619 Freddie
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No if you are a dumb f*ck who watches TV or supports Hollywood then you enable these f**kers.  Some of the GOP like that f**k Newt pretend to be with the Tea Party but it has not been co-opted.

OWN has always been ACORN 2/Ayres/Soros/etc.  Much of OWS is you people wanting more free stuff from govt.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:07 | 1782675 Dr. Richard Head
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Actually this was organized back in March of this year by Anon and a good friend of the Max Keiser show.  No ACORN connections there.  This is a rebellion.


The Anonymous manifesto:
  • We are a decentralized non-violent resistance movement, which seeks to restore the rule of law and fight back against the organized criminal class.
  • One-tenth of one percent of the population has consolidated wealth in unprecedented fashion and launched an all-out economic war against 99.9% of the population.
  • We are not affiliated with either wing of the two-party oligarchy. We seek an end to the corrupted two-party system by ending the campaign finance and lobbying racket.
  • Above all, we aim to break up the global banking cartel centered at the Federal Reserve, International Monetary Fund, Bank of International Settlement and World Bank.
  • We demand that the primary dealers within the Federal Reserve banking system be broken up and held accountable for rigging markets and destroying the global economy, effective immediately.
  • As a first sign of good faith we demand Ben Bernanke step down as Federal Reserve chairman.
  • Until our demands are met and a rule of law is restored, we will engage in a relentless campaign of non-violent, peaceful, civil disobedience.
  • In our next communication we will announce Operation Empire State Rebellion.
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:06 | 1782883 Dental Floss Tycoon
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Getting a bunch of angry people together to demonstrate is easy.   Not being co-opted by skillful people that can command mass media is hard.

I got a chill when I heard one of the OWS people describing their open decision making meetings as a soviet system.  "The fairest system of government every devised," he said.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:16 | 1783195 Use of Weapons
Use of Weapons's picture [] / #OccupyWallStreet has never been an 'Anonymous movement' - it flirted with them, and got some intel / practical guides to not getting co-opted / van'd but it was never 'Anonymous'. The levels of cyber/real life cluelessness over basic security, infiltration and co-option, not to mention actual street tactics was massive. Worse than kids using LOIC, there were children getting involved in shit they had no clue about. --> Look up that nice female student, 21, getting done now for 10-15 for using LOIC. Your system is sick and run by wankers.

There was some fairly hard core infighting over the direction to take with the Anon99 movement - either burn, ignore or tacitly support. Tacitly support won, but there was a lot of fall out. #Antisec and #LulzSec were responses to the 'hippy / moralfag' support, fyi. For the record, some people took it upon themselves to insulate the more naive parties involved from getting themselves shot or black listed - and yes, I was one of those #moralfags. Current twitter / Doxing support is being made available for many reasons - the lulz being one of them. [OH HAI! URE MOBILE IS RINGING MR RUN THE WORLD]


Grass roots rebellion - it doesn't follow neat narratives that you like. Oh, and the above is NOT an Anonymous manifesto, it is something else. Oh, and Max has the FSB protecting his ass, so I wouldn't lend too much credence to his weight.



/Seabloop - lulz.


"Nothing has gone quite right for a month now" - 'random' on a plane - guess what? It hasn't gone right because you're not getting the whole game plan.

Hamlet: I am but mad north-north-west: when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw.

Rest, rest, perturbed spirit! So, gentlemen,
With all my love I do commend me to you:
And what so poor a man as Hamlet is
May do, to express his love and friending to you,
God willing, shall not lack. Let us go in together;
And still your fingers on your lips, I pray.
The time is out of joint: O cursed spite,
That ever I was born to set it right!
Nay, come, let's go together.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:41 | 1783800 Bring the Gold
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Nice to see Nmewen and a whole new rash of Neo-Con Republican facist apologists out in DROVES to place the blame squarely on ONLY the Democrats, whilst defending the likes of Bush, Cheney and Wall Street. Come on folks this is about BOTH parties, the FED, Central Bankers and oligarchs (Putin, Berlusconi, Merkel, Sarkozy, the new tool in Downing street etc. etc.) WORLDWIDE. To try and pin the blame on JUST the Democrats means you are in full support of all the rest of the bullshit that has occured in the past 11 years such as the complete annihilationof the bill of rights, the criminal melt down of 2008 the REPUBLICAN whitehouse, FED appointee and treasury created TARP bill etc. etc. The Democrats are DEFINITELY to blame, but trying to make OWS into some Marxist, black power, ACORN secret handshake democrat agenda is just exactly what the oligarchs want, to co-opt OWS the way they did with the Tea party being hijacked by the Repubs.

Both parties are beholden to the FED, the banks and Wallsteet and by extension the international oligrachacal families that own the same. Wake up and smell the motherfucking coffee. It's far too late in the game to think there is some secret army of militant black muslims causing the problem with anyone with a lick of sense and historical grounding knows thats just crazy talk. Pay attention and quit supporting EITHER the Dems or Repubs.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:55 | 1783823 nmewn
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Fight bitchez!!!

"Nice to see Nmewen and a whole new rash of Neo-Con Republican facist apologists out in DROVES to place the blame squarely on ONLY the Democrats, whilst defending the likes of Bush, Cheney and Wall Street."

1) Show me where I have defended Bush, Cheney or Wall Street.

2) Define fascism. Would it be like Solyndra, Telsa & Sunpower?...or more like ObamaCare popping health insurance company stock prices so they could sell to mutual funds?

Your ass is hangin out here...make it good ;-)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:24 | 1783886 Bring the Gold
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You defended Cheney's waterboarding when his book came out.

Any long time readers know exactly who you are and what you support. Fascism would be what I routinely see you support, militarized racist mergers between state and corporations. Yes, I get you don't like it when the fascists are Democrats, only when they are Republican.

Please, dump the V for Vendetta avatar. It's a disservice to that excellent film. If you were V, you would halfway through the movie take off the mask to reveal you were a high ranked "finger" counter-revolutionary. Guys like you were Rah Rah Rahing the Bush/Cheney warmachine and associated corruption for 8 full years and suddenly when Obushma gets in you pretend to be some kind of against the grain rebels. Give me a fucking break. Again, long time readers of this site know exactly who you are and that I am right.

P.S. Daniel Pearl was killed for getting too close to the ISI and by extension the perpetrators of 9/11. 


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:46 | 1783951 nmewn
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1) Give me the quote where I defended Bush, Cheney and Wall can put it here_________

2) Define fascism.

It can't be that hard...the link you provided was of Chumbadoofus calling me a faggot...very "progressive". Define fascism.

Answer 1 & 2 or lay down.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:56 | 1783151 Use of Weapons
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Did you miss that bit where the Koch brothers funded most of the tea party?

Not. Really. Statists. Or. Marxists.



The grasp of politics in this room is evidently as real as Commando. Still, as long as you're racking up the bodies, I don't care.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:47 | 1783682 Clueless Economist
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What in hell are you talking about???????   Matrix whacked 91 Val Verdian soldiers to rescue his daughter...FACT

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:27 | 1783770 Use of Weapons
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Child, GTFO before you embarrass yourself.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:58 | 1782611 X.inf.capt
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Excuse me,

mr, surf...

i went to check out a general assembly...

i didnt see any marxist, or for that matter any tatooed faced, dread locked, flea ridden, stinky people, either....

saw a lotta vets, ex middle classed citizens, and clean cut students...

you guys should really go and listen to them....its not about redistribution of wealth....

its about corruption, and freedom, and about holding the upper crust to same standard as everyone else.....

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1782653 surf0766
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I said it was being run by marxists , not that everyone attending was marxist.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:11 | 1782696 X.inf.capt
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i stand corrected, sir

uh, by the way, 

which marxist?


look forward to hearing from you....

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:24 | 1782747 X.inf.capt
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it said they were marching,

didnt say anything about them being OWS leaders...quite the contrary...

they showed up. period

so, again, who are these marxists 'leaders'?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:50 | 1782818 X.inf.capt
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alittle better...

i looked her up on wikipedia, doesnt say anything about her being a marxist....

shes sounds anti- corruption....and anti NWO... and anti big banker.....

and anti exploitation

again, since i like to learn, where are the MARXISTS LEADERS......?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:21 | 1783007 X.inf.capt
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FYI, surf...

there are no leaders...

these OWS protestors are using a tactic called...

leaderless resistance..... an IDEA motivated cause...

we studied this in military science....its a tough nut to crack

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:28 | 1783267 Use of Weapons
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The time will come when Deleuze is required reading at the School of the Americas.


At which point, the cackling laughs from beyond the veil will be too large to ignore.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:52 | 1783695 surf0766
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Where is my bullshit flag.


Just like Egypt too I bet.. Yea mmmmmmmmmmmk...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:05 | 1783731 X.inf.capt
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o.k. surf....

read the article...

still didnt see anything about marxist leaders....

from what i see, i see alot of groups trying to steer this thing...

private groups or 'others'.....

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:09 | 1783739 surf0766
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If you don't see it then please.... continue being one of the sheep. Good luck.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:33 | 1783782 X.inf.capt
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yep, you cant prove it so you label...

well, your starting to bore the shit out of me...

next time you make a statement... back it up!

i would have been more than willing to admit to you that i was wrong, if you showed me the basis of the statment... later

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:38 | 1783794 surf0766
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No proof would be good enough for you.. I am sure..

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:15 | 1783865 Bring the Gold
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Game set match to X-inf-Cap. Thanks for playing.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:32 | 1783906 surf0766
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Not hardly.. Anyone can nag

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:35 | 1783912 ArmchairRevolut...
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surf, you just got your head handed to you. That was actually quite entertaining.  

Thank you!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:10 | 1782951 LawsofPhysics
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Well who else would be running it, everyone else is working.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:18 | 1783233 midtowng
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If only you had even a shred of truth...but you don't.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:26 | 1782495 hedgeless_horseman
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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:30 | 1782499 GeneMarchbanks
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That means no re-election. Next three months will settle it. Back OWS or not?

Meanwhile I'm looking for the upcoming last half-hour ramp job.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1782541 CvlDobd
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I see dead (cat bounces) people.

3:30 is a terrifying time of day.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:14 | 1782975 Esso
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Hmmmmmm, no late-day rally. I suppose that means up 3% tomorrow.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:28 | 1782505 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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New puppet needed... this one doesn't work anymore.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1782526 GeneMarchbanks
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De... spa... ration times com'on! Lets celebrate!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:41 | 1782561 Dr. Richard Head
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Cain seems like he is being pushed pretty hard to be just that puppet.  "I got no strings to eat pizza."

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:48 | 1782597 john39
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a former FED tool.   just what the country needs.  that guy is a fookin buffoon.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:09 | 1782684 Dr. Richard Head
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A lieing buffoon to boot.  This is the GOP's flavor of the month.  Anyone but Ron Paul is the GOP's point.  They would even want Obama more than Paul at this point.  Such is the life of the establishment.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:27 | 1782758 Freddie
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Cain is a FED tool but he is better than the Kenyan or Romney.  Ron Paul is the best choice.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:30 | 1782773 john39
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the problem is americans have gotten used to picking the "least bad" candidate that the banker clan allows us to vote on.  Screw that, I will pass on all of them, demoncrat and rebuklican.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:44 | 1782824 DollarMenu
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:03 | 1782659 Mike2756
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Pass this bill!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:28 | 1782506 daily bread
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But .. Washington is an "enabling focal point" only because we, the voters, refuse to vote out the bums.  If you want to know who the enemy is, look in the mirror.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:30 | 1782510 Tyler Durden
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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:36 | 1782535 jdelano
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Well yes, but a tad reductive.  In the current system, it's usually only bums that run, or, if they aren't bums to begin with, the only way they can keep ther posts is to become bums.  We need to do more than vote.  

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:55 | 1782618 DonnieD
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The parties (Dem & Repub) are the corrupting force. They take over movements like the tea party and OWS, infiltrate them and claim them as their own to stop their ideas of changing the status quo from spreading. Pretty soon the original message is garbled into the same old political rhetoric you hear on an evening news show. They do this masterfully as the Tea Party is now a platform for republican ideas and OWS will be the same for Democrats. 

It's very difficult to get elected in this country without party backing. In other words, only corrupt bums need apply.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:09 | 1782686 Nascent_Variable
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The two party apparatus is continually fed by the propaganda ministry of the MSM, which filters all information into a fake left/right dichotomy, which is really just different shades of corporatist statism.

There's plenty of blame to go around, and Wall Street stands as one symbol of what is wrong with the country.  I'm just glad that something is happening, even if the people doing it don't see the entire picture.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:52 | 1782853 DollarMenu
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The supposed '2' parties work together to control access to the ballot.

In some states, voters must declare their allegiance to one or the other, or their vote does not count.

Third paries may not even gain a place on the ba;llot.

Candidates within the system face daunting challanges in the caucus, as all the pre-set private allowannces and dispensations are vetted against his

proposed platform.

There are morlocks entrenched deep in the party machinery who know how to move the levers and switches to obtain the desired results.

It's a messy stew we've allowed to brew.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1782648 Sabibaby
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People need to start using their brains and realize they should be voting with money. You want your vote to count don't you?



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:06 | 1782670 Gene Parmesan
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They stay in power by securing gifts for their constituents. Look at Barney Frank's district in MA. It's a little strip of land extending up to where he lives, but 90% of it is the poor sections on the south coast:

When the free shit army makes up half the population of the country it's too late to turn back.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 18:21 | 1783241 Use of Weapons
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You met me at a very strange time in my life, Mr Durden.



Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1782524 bob_dabolina
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And ty ZH for this article

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1782646 devo
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It's impossible to vote out the bums when there are only two choices, and both are bums.

We need viable third and fourth and fifth parties, and we need grass root candidates who don't require millions to run a campaign and win votes. The notion that we can elect the best candidate given a republican and democrat is ridiculous.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:32 | 1782769 Freddie
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Look in the mirror plus look at morons who watch TV.  TV, hollywood and the media gives this scum the power to manipulate the sheep/  If you watch TV you are enpowering the elites and you are a dumb f*ck sheep.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:52 | 1783691 ScaredandConcerned
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Funny considering how often you regurgitate Glenn Beck themes. I wouldn't accuse you of having an abundance of original thought.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:30 | 1782508 SMG
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And both Washington and Wall Street are controlled by the Illuminati Oligarchy, and until you address them, we will never truly be free.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1782551 i-dog
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All roads lead to Rome.

Just one example: #comment-1782442

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1782605 john39
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good grief not the jesuit misdirection...  how many jesuits you see running central banks?  rothschilds jesuit?  how many jesuit politicians?   this mess is all about zionism.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:32 | 1783057 Esso
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It's all about JIZ (jews, israel, zionism), and their two absolute rules the world operates under now. They cannot be breached without revolution.

1. Thou shalt not allow ANY real benefit to the citizens.

2. Thou shalt NEVER allow the truth to get out.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:23 | 1783388 i-dog
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I'm suspicious of anyone who accuses someone of "misdirection" as their very first sentence ... but I'll answer you anyway.

How many jesuit bankers do you SEE? None. The Jesuits (and the Jewish family bank owners) are not seen ... they have hofjuden like Dimon and Blankfein to fill those roles.

How many jesuit politicians do you SEE? Plenty. I'll give you a list when I finish it, but it is astonishing to see just how many in the highest levels of Washington are on it.

It is indeed about Zionism, but not in the simplistic way that you think. Let's just say, for now, that the objectives of Labor Zionists---to have a Zionist homeland in Israel---and the objectives of the Roman Church---to rule from Jerusalem rather than Rome---are not incompatible and that they have been working closely together since the first meeting between Adam Weishaupt (a Jesuit), Jacob Frank (a Sabbatean Zionist) and Mayer Rothschild (a Sabbatean banker) in 1786. Unfortunately, orthodox religious jews who would prefer Jerusalem to be their capital don't get a look-in on these plans.

I hope you don't think that the tens of thousands of Jesuits operating in over 100 countries on 6 continents -- who have been expelled, then reinstated, from over 80 countries for political meddling over the last few centuries -- are not just sitting around playing with rosary beads!?! They, together with the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus and the highest degrees of Freemasonry, are all working towards reinstating the Church of Roman at the top of the NWO.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:09 | 1783583 El Yunque
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Oil and the tribe of Asher:

Cyprus and a new gas field:

Greece goes casters up, the Euro comes unwound, and Russia's liitle investment in Syria comes into play:

No matter who you blame, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting another piece of financial instability somewhere that's going to get somones feelings hurt.

2012 is going to be a banner year for anyone thinking that a Ron Paul and his lone wolf voice will help any of us in his stand against the thousands in DC that have a dog in this fight.

I was thinking that right up until we removed the firewall between investment and retail banking, told Brooksley Born to get lost, and turned the commodities market into a turnip for extracting blood, that all of this working just fine, mostly.

Now, everybody I know that trades with skill (apolitical, fairly unbiased, uses credit ratings paper to line bird cages) gets up and slams half a bottle of Pepto before turning on the tubes.

Stability and trust have left the building; back to finding the boogey men to bash with zeal or Zionism, The Fed, planetary alignments, the ghosts of financial titans past, Keynes, Obama, liberals, conservatives, or my favorite - Schrodinger's cat.

You may be right, the NWO might be looking to put the Church back on top, but as a non-practicing catholic myself, they'll do it over my dead body.

I see just another collection of tools and fools that will screw the pooch hard for a little while, while us peons go on making anarchy on Wall Street. Meanwhile the next best war, could be over a little frigging gas patch in a bad spot for making nice world order, that never fucking happens.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 21:51 | 1783816 john39
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You and I do not disagree that both Zionist and the catholic heirsrchy are involved. We do disagree however about who sits on top of pyramid. Because this battle goes back far before Jesus, however, I find it more likely that the catholic church is a secondary player, infiltrated to prevent real christian teachings from contesting the ponzi. When it comes to the occult, the real dark players go back to Babylon and before. These people are still around. They are the ones most culpable. The pope and Jesuits are strictly bit players.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:01 | 1782639 SMG
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Nope,  All roads lead to a ruling council comprised of select members who come from Illuminati royal families (Rockefeller, Rothschild) Etc.

They are members of a Lucifarian religion (which is not Catholic Nor Jew)  where they believe themselves to be gods who can do whatever they want to anybody.

I just can't help but think if people with that kind of mindset didn't run the world, the world would be a better place.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1782723 john39
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when you dig deep enough, it becomes apparent that zionists are luciferians.  and i agree with you, all of the top elites are followers of this system.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 22:36 | 1783889 i-dog
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"select members who come from Illuminati royal families"

Indeed. And the Illuminati was started by the Jesuits (Adam Weishaupt was Jesuit-trained from a very young age; the Jesuits provided much of his material for the Illuminati 'degrees' while he was Professor of Canon Law at a primarily Jesuit university). The Jesuits are Luciferian, not Christian.

The Sabbateans are similarly Luciferian, not Talmudic Jews.

These two [identical] luciferian groups work together at the policy-making levels of such operational organisations as Bilderberg, CFR, TC, CNP, RIIA, etc.

In government, none of the US Supreme Court justices are protestants. Only 4 out of 26 Congressional leadership positions are held by protestants. 5 of the 9 Republican presidential candidates are in luciferian-controlled organisations (at least one Knight of Malta, at least one 33° Mason, two Mormons and one Bilderberger) and of the 4 others: Ron Paul is reputed to be a 32° Mason (as is Obama), Bachmann has lived on a kibbutz, and Cain was a Federal Reserve governor! Nearly all former Directors of Central Intelligence were Knights of Malta and the current one, General Petraeus, could well be one also (it is VERY difficult to get confirmed memberships of any of these high level orders and organisations...until they are photographed at a meeting or wearing their badges of honour).

And speaking of "royal families": the British royal family - the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family that changed their name to Windsor during WWI - are also known as the Guelph line and have been supporters of the papacy since long before William the Conqueror arrived in England. While they are outwardly protestant, many also held/hold papal honours and knighthoods.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:32 | 1782511 DoChenRollingBearing
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While the Banksters get all the attention as being THE Bad Guys, it is important to understand that it is the politicians (which WE help elect, regardless of the Elitist influence on the choices).

WE the people are partly at fault in our predicament.

"People get the government they deserve."

- Bill Bonner (the quote is approximately right)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1782598 walküre
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"WE the people" are the figment of someone else's imagintion.

"WE the people" doesn't exist and never stood a chance in hell.

Now, WE the trained, uniformed and armed "People's Army" taking out the banksters behind the barn... you might get somewhere.

Then comes, WE the new bosses are not taking any loans from the Rothschilds to finance illegitimate wars and soon you really have a NEW WORLD ORDER sans banking cabal!

World peace is possible without banks instigating wars and making loans to BOTH parties to buy the weapons and shoot each other.

That's their game and they've played it for centuries.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:29 | 1782757 Rynak
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While the Banksters get all the attention as being THE Bad Guys, it is important to understand that it is the politicians (which WE help elect, regardless of the Elitist influence on the choices).

Humans really appear to have difficulty with logic - they see dichtomies and thus an XOR disconnect, where there is no mutual exclusion at all, yet when they have a glaringly obvious contradiction directly in front of them, they choose to ignore it. Do stooopid humans WANT to malfunction? Because, i dunno, they do this with amazing precision.


1) "All parties are the same, and voting in this system is for shit.... and anyways, who even votes anymore? Look it up!"

2) It's all the peoples fault voting them in, because voting in this system matters.

Pick one. And no, contrary to elections, both aren't the same.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:31 | 1782512 I_Rowboat
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Wall Street and their ilk own Congress and the Executive Branches (and the Judicial, for the most part).  It's the owners' perogative if they choose to use their hired bitches as human shields.  Sure, the Fedrul Gubmint is partly culpable in driving the getaway vehicle, but Wall Street is the genius behind the bigger plan.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:16 | 1782706 B9K9
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Wall St is merely taking advantage of a set of circumstances that are easily exploited. You must look deeper than a typical banker who really has no clue/idea as to the larger picture. In essence, they are simply pilot fish picking up scraps from those who put the system into play.

The real movers behind the curtain know, more than anything else, the human condition. That means a yearning for comfort, which is easily accommodated by a simple loan document, with real assets and/or lifetime earning potential pledged as collateral. It means a desire for self-control, which is easily accomplished by the mirage of democracy. (Is there any wonder why the franchise continually expands in perfect correlation with sovereign debt?) Lastly, there are the triple drivers of greed, safety & revenge, which, through time honored fashion of warfare, manages to incorporate all 3.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has been exposed to a true LibArts program, but with the goal of not helping improve humanity, but to be taught its primary weaknesses. For thousands of years, money lending/usury has been the drug that no society can resist. It's mere child's play to put the game into action once you know the score.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:31 | 1782515 vegas
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Obama = pimp

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:46 | 1782583 krispkritter
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Huggy Bear White, er, Light...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:56 | 1782623 fuu
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You can't be a pimp and a prostitute at the same time.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:36 | 1782800 Freddie
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Man you bein awfully hard on dem pimps today.  A pimp would be an elevation in stature for the kenyan POS.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:32 | 1782516 adr
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Ooohhh. the 3 PM meltup rally has lost some steam. I thought bad Obama poll numbers were bullish?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1782523 krispkritter
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A bit OT but WTF!? Going after Jack Daniels?

Oh, that's right, they're 'successful', ie. a target.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:34 | 1782532 barroter
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and the other 50% will blame the corporate money that buys politicians in the first place to put business interests first...back to NYC to protest...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:35 | 1782533 bob_dabolina
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Ironic that Obama demonizes WS when he voted for the WS bailout (TARP) 

Obama has more flip flops than footlocker

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:43 | 1782569 swamp
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No, it just appears that way because when he gets trapped, he flips, but all the while he is steadily working diligently for the Elite NWO evil private owners of the Federal Reserve.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1782577 Dr. Richard Head
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Perhaps Obama is hoping people forgot about that little tid bit.  A lot has happened since 2008.  American Idol is being replaced by the X factor.  Dancing with the Stars has become a hit as well.  Hell, there were threats of work stops in the NFL and the NBA is cutting its season short and all.


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:36 | 1782537 OldPhart
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We have a dispute with the owners of government.  These owners are banks and other mega-global-corporations with a sprinkling of individual bazillionairres.

It doesn't matter who we elect, both parties are whored-out and owned by the big money.

You don't get a settlement from the servant, you go after the master.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1782579 swamp
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But not only the master, because these traitors volunteered, they were not sold into slavery, they were paid to join in.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:05 | 1782666 323
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Exactly right. That's why wall street is the correct target. All the "it's our fault cuz of not voting right" is nonsense. every election we get a choice between Kang and Kodos. Whether you agree with Ron Paul or not he was the one candidate who would have made actual changes to the system, and he is basically banished from the race.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1782539 Cocomaan
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Occupy Wall Street is only one moment of the protest movement. We're occupying City Hall in philly.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1782540 RSloane
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Wall Street exists in its present form at the largess of the federal government. Bernanke can do what he does because of the largess of the federal government. Every single person in OWS, whenever they go shopping or pay rent or pay a mortgage, is supporting Wall Street. Its like the protester who was photographed carrying an End The Evil Corporations sign also was wearing a Nike hat and shoes, had on a Land's End jacket, and was blogging on his new laptop. Wall Street should belong to us - but before that happens you have to wrest its interests away from the government. That means changes in political contributions, blatent graft, symbiotic staff shuffling back and forth between Wall Street, the Fed, and government, and break the backs of our MSM who supports this. In order to accomplish any of that, you have to actively and loudly challenge the government and its participation in this mess. We voted those fuckers in, we can vote them out. We will never vote for who is the new CEO at Citibank or JP Morgan. But...we can vote for the people who would wield the longest whip over their heads.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1782543 topcallingtroll
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A politician is someone who figures out where the crowd is going and then rushes to the front of the pack to claim credit for guiding them.

It is becoming funny to watch obamao.
You know his heart is in attacking capitalism but his head says not to do it.

Head.......heart......head.......heart......decisions decisions!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:38 | 1782545 Conrad Murray
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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:38 | 1782546 SRV - ES339
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More absolute bullshit from ZH... but then, anything anti "Obummer" is great for ZH business I guess... let the sock puppet pile on begin, and don't forget the obligitory spewing of bigoted venom and hate speak against a sitting President of the United States!

As United States Marine Corps. Sgt. Shamar Thomas so eloquently put it... "there is no honour in this shit!"

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:40 | 1782558 bob_dabolina
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Fuck you

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:48 | 1782594 topcallingtroll
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Uh Bob? I wonder if the guy above you noted all the venom and hate speak directed toward Obama.

After all, even the small act of recording all of obamas golf days on drudge was due to the incessant criticism about bush and company golfing.

Guess who golfs substantially more?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1782607 bob_dabolina
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Why are you bringing up Bush? 

I don't give a shit about Bush, he's not our President.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:19 | 1783461 barroter
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Don't bring up Bush and the GOP...those eight years of incompetence was enough...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:02 | 1783562 SRV - ES339
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I don't give a shit about Bush, he's not our President.

Careful Bob... that would make that black guy YOUR!

p.s. I think the world of you and your 'yahoo' political views too Bobby!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:42 | 1782563 vegas
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I guess you can't handle the truth. Oh well, hows that hopey changy stuff workin' for you?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1782606 Dr. Richard Head
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What truth?  The fact that Obama signed legislation that rewrote laws that made Wall Street criminality of the past no-criminal in the present?  That Obama oversaw and pushed forward TARP to help Wall Street criminals and even left the campaign trail to do so?  That he hasn't said boo about the continued bailouts of Wall Street and Banks throuh QE xplushowevermany, ZIRP, TALF, HAMP, etc, etc.?  Obama hasn't pushed Holder to prosecute any of these thugs?  Obama's economic team is full of the same bastards that got us here in the first place?  Obama's Wall Street donations of 2008 and this campaign have made him the hero that he is in the Media (aside from Fox)? 

You take your facts and shove them in the sand along with my head Vegas. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:59 | 1782637 fuu
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Uh wtf are you talking about? Vegas was replying to the guy who was saying this is just more ZH bullshit.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:14 | 1782709 Dr. Richard Head
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Part sarcasm with the "What Truth" part and then part fact - the ones I outlined in my post.  The wording was a bit messy and I missed tagging this was sarc.  I gotcha.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1782812 fuu
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Roger that.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:15 | 1782710 vegas
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It would be nice, before you ctiticize me, to understand the context in which I write. If you think I would ever defend obama, please stop using crack. You can now place your head in the sand.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1782814 Dr. Richard Head
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I dont think you would defend him. I wrote in a mix of sarcasm and such that was not readily evident.  My bad.  I thought I did understand you and was looking to support your position with a bit of sarcasm. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:47 | 1782586 machineh
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Two Minutes of Hate for Dear Peace Laureate Barky O'Bumwad, the Viceroy of Vietghanistan!

He's a frickin' military genius -- NOT!!!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1782599 Vergeltung
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referring to a poll done by another entity is "absolute BS from ZH"?


how's that add up?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 17:09 | 1782947 Freddie
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Obama looted the treasury and bailed out union goons at GM, the states and cities with taxpayer money.  The union goons are the elites.   BTW - the USMC as well as the cops are on the govt gravy train/payroll.  F the kenyan.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:07 | 1783413 Jerry Denim
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Yes, total BullShit for giving Wall Street a free pass, but no, Fuck Obama. The ZH crowd can at least agree on that much.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:41 | 1782562 Dragline
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This is what the parties don't seem to get.  OWS does not distinguish between Wall Street and Washington -- that is a completely false distinction as devo notes.

The only question is whether Washington owns Wall Street or Wall Street owns Washington.  Which is the servant and which is the master?

This quote assumes without any factual basis that the former is true:  "Congress, Senate, and of course, the White Housewithout whose (and by 'whose' here we clearly envision Tim Geithner, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke) blessings Wall Street would not exist in its current form."

Isn't the truth that the government would not exist in the current form but for the influence of Wall Street and its well-placed minions?  I see Wall Street funding politicians in both parties -- Romney and Obama numbers one and two in current Wall Street gravy.  Obama's problem is not that he is demonizing bankers -- his problem is that he is their foot soldier and protector.  Ergo, a hypocrite and a pretender.

And who legally owns the Fed?  Buehler?  Buehler?  Anyone hazard a guess?

Wall Street owns your government.  Most people call that tyranny and would not be playing the worlds smallest violin whining about the poor downtrodden 1%.  What kind of fool are you?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:08 | 1782679 323
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well put

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:53 | 1782855 Island_Dweller
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A popularly-alleged quote by Mayer Amschel Rothschild is displayed:

Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1782575 Rynak
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To XOR or not to XOR, that is the question.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 16:08 | 1782681 323
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awesome. lol.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:47 | 1782587 LivermoreJim
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To all OWS's all over the world: OCCUPY FUSKUSHIMA will send the correct message.  God's speed.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:47 | 1782589 swamp
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# Occupy the Crimex, the SEC and CFTC.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:48 | 1782591 carbonmutant
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Lame duck grasping at straws...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:48 | 1782595 Tsunami Wave
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This is similar to George Washington's post at the top of the page: Is anyone dumb enough to believe that Obama supports the 99%?


Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1782601 Butchery101
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Wanna have some serious fun about Obamanomics ?

Please let this one go VIRAL :

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1782602 bob_dabolina
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Another funny thing about Obama the job creator.

How many people here know that the MLK statue he unveiled was made in China? Meanwhile we have a bunch of cry babies on WS bitching about jobs.

You just can't make this shit up.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1782604 shargash
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The GLOBAL financial crisis was absolutely caused by the financial industry, in conjunction with its bought-and-paid-for minions in governments. That more people blame the government than blame Wall Street just shows how ignorant Americans are, for which I blame the bought-and-paid-for minions in the "free" press (it ain't free if they had to pay so much to buy it).

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1782610 spekulatn
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Wall Street is  middleman. The central banks is problem.


"The Federal Reserve is a MERCANTILIST entity, one that hides behind a government endorsement. It's private but it would not work without the monopoly power provided by the government. That's how mercantilism works. Powerful private interests seek and receive legal approbation for their private activities."

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 19:23 | 1783477 Stares straight...
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Also CAREER POLITICIANS. They enable the mercantilist FED.

Ask yourself who started the FED,    umm-   career politicians.

We need the citizen statesman originally intended by our founding fathers.   

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:54 | 1782612 FoieGras
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Washington is to blame? And those idiots who bought 5000 sqft McMansions, 3 SUVs and 1 big boat while driving a bus aren't to blame?

This world is nuts. Americans lived way over their means for the past 30 years and now their kids go on the street blaming Wall St. and politicians instead of pointing the fingers at their own *PARENTS*

Years of overspending won't be fixed by a year or two of whatever policy set in Washington. This will take years if not decades to play out.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:55 | 1782613 g
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I have posted many times OWS should be focusing on the politicians, it was the politicians choice to be corrupted. It is the DUTY of our politicians to refuse to be bribed. I harbor no love for wall st, but they only have influence because of politicians sold out. Shift the focus to rooting out corruption. OWS needs to arm themselves with a league of accountants/CPA's and lawyers and go after every politician, see who their paymasters are and publicize the hell out of it. All of those students protesting can put those fresh minds to work sifting through the layers of fraud and obfuscation and post their results right here at ZH. OWS should march right up to capital hill and exercise those FOIA rights. Its a start. Lets get it all out in the open. Demand no less.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:59 | 1782630 g
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