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Obama's Final Loophole: The "Catastrophic Emergency" Clause?

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Politico's Ben White has pointed out something interesting, namely that while the 14th Amendment may or may not be practical under the current situation (especially not without a full blown constitutional crisis), one potential loophole that Obama may have comes from none other than former president Bush, in the form of the Homeland Security Presidential Directive-20, one which deals with such trivia as "Catastrophic Emergency", "Continuity of Government", "Continuity of Operations", and lastly, and perhaps somewhat ironically, "Enduring Constitutional Government." Considering the amount of doom and gloom spun by the government is bigger than anything seen even under Hank Paulson, could this "crisis" be interpreted by the constitutional scholar as one that merits the invocation of Homeland Security privileges? Is America's maxing out its credit card comparable to a nuclear or terrorist attack on the continent? We may find out in less than 48 hours.

So, for your reading pleasure, here is National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 51/20

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

Purpose

(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Definitions

(2) In this directive:

    (a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive;

    (b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;

    (c) "Continuity of Government," or "COG," means a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency;

    (d) "Continuity of Operations," or "COOP," means an effort within individual executive departments and agencies to ensure that Primary Mission-Essential Functions continue to be performed during a wide range of emergencies, including localized acts of nature, accidents, and technological or attack-related emergencies;

    (e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;

    (f) "Executive Departments and Agencies" means the executive departments enumerated in 5 U.S.C. 101, independent establishments as defined by 5 U.S.C. 104(1), Government corporations as defined by 5 U.S.C. 103(1), and the United States Postal Service;

    (g) "Government Functions" means the collective functions of the heads of executive departments and agencies as defined by statute, regulation, presidential direction, or other legal authority, and the functions of the legislative and judicial branches;

    (h) "National Essential Functions," or "NEFs," means that subset of Government Functions that are necessary to lead and sustain the Nation during a catastrophic emergency and that, therefore, must be supported through COOP and COG capabilities; and

    (i) "Primary Mission Essential Functions," or "PMEFs," means those Government Functions that must be performed in order to support or implement the performance of NEFs before, during, and in the aftermath of an emergency.

Policy

(3) It is the policy of the United States to maintain a comprehensive and effective continuity capability composed of Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government programs in order to ensure the preservation of our form of government under the Constitution and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions.

Implementation Actions

(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.

(5) The following NEFs are the foundation for all continuity programs and capabilities and represent the overarching responsibilities of the Federal Government to lead and sustain the Nation during a crisis, and therefore sustaining the following NEFs shall be the primary focus of the Federal Government leadership during and in the aftermath of an emergency that adversely affects the performance of Government Functions:

    (a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;

    (b) Providing leadership visible to the Nation and the world and maintaining the trust and confidence of the American people;

    (c) Defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and preventing or interdicting attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

    (d) Maintaining and fostering effective relationships with foreign nations;

    (e) Protecting against threats to the homeland and bringing to justice perpetrators of crimes or attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

    (f) Providing rapid and effective response to and recovery from the domestic consequences of an attack or other incident;

    (g) Protecting and stabilizing the Nation's economy and ensuring public confidence in its financial systems; and

    (h) Providing for critical Federal Government services that address the national health, safety, and welfare needs of the United States.

(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

(7) For continuity purposes, each executive department and agency is assigned to a category in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and responsibilities in support of the Federal Government's ability to sustain the NEFs. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall serve as the President's lead agent for coordinating overall continuity operations and activities of executive departments and agencies, and in such role shall perform the responsibilities set forth for the Secretary in sections 10 and 16 of this directive.

(8) The National Continuity Coordinator, in consultation with the heads of appropriate executive departments and agencies, will lead the development of a National Continuity Implementation Plan (Plan), which shall include prioritized goals and objectives, a concept of operations, performance metrics by which to measure continuity readiness, procedures for continuity and incident management activities, and clear direction to executive department and agency continuity coordinators, as well as guidance to promote interoperability of Federal Government continuity programs and procedures with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate. The Plan shall be submitted to the President for approval not later than 90 days after the date of this directive.

(9) Recognizing that each branch of the Federal Government is responsible for its own continuity programs, an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall ensure that the executive branch's COOP and COG policies in support of ECG efforts are appropriately coordinated with those of the legislative and judicial branches in order to ensure interoperability and allocate national assets efficiently to maintain a functioning Federal Government.

(10) Federal Government COOP, COG, and ECG plans and operations shall be appropriately integrated with the emergency plans and capabilities of State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to promote interoperability and to prevent redundancies and conflicting lines of authority. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall coordinate the integration of Federal continuity plans and operations with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency.

(11) Continuity requirements for the Executive Office of the President (EOP) and executive departments and agencies shall include the following:

    (a) The continuation of the performance of PMEFs during any emergency must be for a period up to 30 days or until normal operations can be resumed, and the capability to be fully operational at alternate sites as soon as possible after the occurrence of an emergency, but not later than 12 hours after COOP activation;

    (b) Succession orders and pre-planned devolution of authorities that ensure the emergency delegation of authority must be planned and documented in advance in accordance with applicable law;

    (c) Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided;

    (d) Provision must be made for the acquisition of the resources necessary for continuity operations on an emergency basis;

    (e) Provision must be made for the availability and redundancy of critical communications capabilities at alternate sites in order to support connectivity between and among key government leadership, internal elements, other executive departments and agencies, critical partners, and the public;

    (f) Provision must be made for reconstitution capabilities that allow for recovery from a catastrophic emergency and resumption of normal operations; and

    (g) Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.

(12) In order to provide a coordinated response to escalating threat levels or actual emergencies, the Continuity of Government Readiness Conditions (COGCON) system establishes executive branch continuity program readiness levels, focusing on possible threats to the National Capital Region. The President will determine and issue the COGCON Level. Executive departments and agencies shall comply with the requirements and assigned responsibilities under the COGCON program. During COOP activation, executive departments and agencies shall report their readiness status to the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Secretary's designee.

(13) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall:

    (a) Conduct an annual assessment of executive department and agency continuity funding requests and performance data that are submitted by executive departments and agencies as part of the annual budget request process, in order to monitor progress in the implementation of the Plan and the execution of continuity budgets;

    (b) In coordination with the National Continuity Coordinator, issue annual continuity planning guidance for the development of continuity budget requests; and

    (c) Ensure that heads of executive departments and agencies prioritize budget resources for continuity capabilities, consistent with this directive.

(14) The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy shall:

    (a) Define and issue minimum requirements for continuity communications for executive departments and agencies, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President;

    (b) Establish requirements for, and monitor the development, implementation, and maintenance of, a comprehensive communications architecture to integrate continuity components, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President; and

    (c) Review quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities, as prepared pursuant to section 16(d) of this directive or otherwise, and report the results and recommended remedial actions to the National Continuity Coordinator.

(15) An official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall:

    (a) Advise the President, the Chief of Staff to the President, the APHS/CT, and the APNSA on COGCON operational execution options; and

    (b) Consult with the Secretary of Homeland Security in order to ensure synchronization and integration of continuity activities among the four categories of executive departments and agencies.

(16) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:

    (a) Coordinate the implementation, execution, and assessment of continuity operations and activities;

    (b) Develop and promulgate Federal Continuity Directives in order to establish continuity planning requirements for executive departments and agencies;

    (c) Conduct biennial assessments of individual department and agency continuity capabilities as prescribed by the Plan and report the results to the President through the APHS/CT;

    (d) Conduct quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities in consultation with an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;

    (e) Develop, lead, and conduct a Federal continuity training and exercise program, which shall be incorporated into the National Exercise Program developed pursuant to Homeland Security Presidential Directive-8 of December 17, 2003 ("National Preparedness"), in consultation with an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;

    (f) Develop and promulgate continuity planning guidance to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators;

    (g) Make available continuity planning and exercise funding, in the form of grants as provided by law, to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators; and

    (h) As Executive Agent of the National Communications System, develop, implement, and maintain a comprehensive continuity communications architecture.

(17) The Director of National Intelligence, in coordination with the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall produce a biennial assessment of the foreign and domestic threats to the Nation's continuity of government.

(18) The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall provide secure, integrated, Continuity of Government communications to the President, the Vice President, and, at a minimum, Category I executive departments and agencies.

(19) Heads of executive departments and agencies shall execute their respective department or agency COOP plans in response to a localized emergency and shall:

    (a) Appoint a senior accountable official, at the Assistant Secretary level, as the Continuity Coordinator for the department or agency;

    (b) Identify and submit to the National Continuity Coordinator the list of PMEFs for the department or agency and develop continuity plans in support of the NEFs and the continuation of essential functions under all conditions;

    (c) Plan, program, and budget for continuity capabilities consistent with this directive;

    (d) Plan, conduct, and support annual tests and training, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, in order to evaluate program readiness and ensure adequacy and viability of continuity plans and communications systems; and

    (e) Support other continuity requirements, as assigned by category, in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and responsibilities.

General Provisions

(20) This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions.

(21) This directive:

    (a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;

    (b) Shall not be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, and legislative proposals, or (ii) the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the Department of Defense, including the chain of command for military forces from the President, to the Secretary of Defense, to the commander of military forces, or military command and control procedures; and

    (c) Is not intended to, and does not, create any rights or benefits, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.

(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders.

GEORGE W. BUSH

 


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Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment duncecap rack
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Wow. If Obama invoked that to borrow more they'd have to set up a cage fighting ring in the capitol.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment km4
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Obama's a constitutional lawyer and community organizer right ;)

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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Has anybody ever checked on the communities that Obama used to work in?  What are the chances they are more organized now than they were before?  Something tells me that moniker is as mistated as calling him a "constitutional scholar".  Then again, he might know the constitution and just not give a shit if he honors it. 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Obama's a constitutional lawyer and community organizer right ;)"

Yeah and we're told he's brilliant at both...lol.

(21) This directive:

    (a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;

Whoopsie ;-)

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:59 | Link to Comment narnia
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the whole litmus test of constitutionality has been thrown out the window long ago.  this is more of a, how is obama going to play this corrupt game in the unlikely event it's necessary.  

even though he says he won't, he'd use some excuse tied to the 14th to justify paying interest.  he'd use some existing or amended executive order to keep paying for the war.  then, he'd find some other method to fill in the gap to pay for the remainder of the $1.6 trillion or greater without complementing receipts.

as for your point, i believe he already has appropriations authority on his last chirade with congress.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 02:34 | Link to Comment oldman
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Narnia,

Years ago, our understanding was that 'full faith and credit' implied a capacity for the executive to raise taxes under an executive order, if necessary, to pay pricipal and interest of US Treasury securities, but NOT Agency debt.

We never looked up this under the law, it was such a 'given': everyone understood this and never once did anyone object to it under the 'law'. Times and people have changed so that no one is there any longer who would press this issue, imo.

In those days, the mere thought of this not being true was so ridiculous that a fight would have broken out on the bond desk had anyone suggested that it was untrue. Like I said, though, times and people have changed since our 1980/83 crisis, And we had not ever thought about borrowing more than the GDP.

Perhaps, someone with a different idea will pick up the thread---I'm curious about the other side of things, always.

Thanks for your post---it brought the question to mind---we may have just been deceived or deluded        om

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 08:41 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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14 trillion over here.......16 trillion over there. Pretty soon you're talking abiout real money.

This is kinda of a secret.....so don't tell anyone.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9E2A4EA8-6E73-4BE2-A753-62060DCBB3C3

July 21, 2011

The first top-to-bottom audit of the Federal Reserve uncovered eye-popping new details about how the U.S. provided a whopping $16 trillion in secret loans to bail out American and foreign banks and businesses during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. An amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders to the Wall Street reform law passed one year ago this week directed the Government Accountability Office to conduct the study. "As a result of this audit, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world," said Sanders. "This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you're-on-your-own individualism for everyone else."

The audit....right click and save. You now own it. 266 pages of light reading....enjoy. Grab some popcorn.

http://sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GAO%20Fed%20Investigation.pdf

If a tree falls in the woods.....and the MSM doesn't report it. Did it really happen?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 05:51 | Link to Comment darkstar7646
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What happens if that availability of appropriations IS the emergency, however?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:09 | Link to Comment nmewn
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The three branches of government were setup as equals but with differing roles & responsibilities.

By law, the president does not appropriate funds, the congress does. He can only manage how they are spent from the amounts approved for him to spend. Therefore the president cannot issue an edict (like some insane king) saying he will and can raise revenue (taxes) or issue debt without approval. Especially from his own pen via executive order.

That would be unequal power sharing where he not only takes the money, but he spends it as well, all the while citing a doument that his office (the presidency) created, to say it is lawful.

The other co-equal branch in all this (the court) would blow this out of the water...unless he, as cnc, surrounds the supreme court and congress with tanks & troops, which does (the military) fall under his purview.

Then of course we would be talking about something completely different...lol...where every officer and tank commander will have to re-evaluate their oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic ;-)

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:44 | Link to Comment derryb
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there is no protection from the executive branch as long as they have the power to appoint the judicial branch which has the power to tell the legislative branch to "go f--k themselves" when the presidednt so desires.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment nmewn
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This falls under advice & consent (Article II, Section 2)...which, if the constitution were being followed as originally written, we would not be electing federal senators as they would be appointed by the individual states instead as intended...probably be looking at a completely different makeup in philosophy. This happened in 1913 with the 17th Amendment.

Oddly, something else happened in 1913...the creation of the federal reserve...it was quite a year ;-)

Tue, 04/10/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment kall
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That's what I would like to know. So far the plan sounds very elaborate but in my opinion it's not focused enough. I am now studying for my masters in emergency management and I have an eye for it, we need to do better than that. When we talk about emergency situations I don't think separate authorities would do a better job than one single focused authority.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:40 | Link to Comment derryb
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His (and his wife's) licesnse to practice law were revoked years ago. Now he's a shithouse lawyer.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Thunder Dome!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment NewThor
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THUNDER DOME 2012!

8 Billion enter, 6.3 Billion leave.

Starring:

Elenin - Nibiru - And the Red Cross

With:

A Mickey Mouse Dick in the dirt Play

by the Democratic and Republican Politicos and Corp. of USA/GLOBE MARKET

Anybody seen the new

SOHO

STEREO A

STEREO B

stuff?

Whoa. Really? REALLY?

ID BETTER BE NEO + Infinity +1 + Looped 

BITCHEZ! 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Frankie Carbone
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Bust a deal, Spin the wheel!
Bust a deal, Spin the wheel!
Bust a deal, Spin the wheel!

The wheel choices.

WWIII with China, Russia, and every arab on Earth.

18,000,000% APR on your next auto loan.

FEMA food, shelter, and security for everyone!

Thermonuclear terrorist attack on Des Moines IA but no one can explain how the nuclear blast had exactly the same signature as a US Air Force W-88 nuclear warhead.

War of Northern Aggression Part Deux.

The Northwest Territory and Alaska sold to the Chinese.

Run on cat food at PetsMart.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 05:52 | Link to Comment darkstar7646
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I'm not sure it's going to be that many...

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 08:43 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Blue zone thinking.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

Put Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto on the no fly list. He seems like a trouble maker.

 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:41 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes.  Although I do not think it will come to that.  I expect a really SLEAZY last minute deal like we almost always get.

There will be NO spending cuts!  The Tea Party Republicans do not have the political power now.  Maybe in 2012 they will.  But, our problems will be even worse, and THEY would get the blame as the system crashes from Obama / Bankster mishandling, andyes let's use the word: ROBBERY of our country

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:49 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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but... but... but... the House of Representatives is the holder of the Nation's Purse and shall dispense of the Nation's Bills and Income each year.

If this Economic Event Horizon passes by us, and this thing goes into effect... Government will stay open and the bills WILL be paid regardless of our debt. If Default is truly not an option.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Doña K
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We have had it. Hubby and I are sailing away. perpetual travelling status. 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:50 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Rahm Emanuel

There are many whom believe the ultimate goal of Obama is to take control like Chavez or Castro (Hitler, too).  A move like this would help to confirm this theory.  Of course economic collapse would help him move towards this "emergency" ruler position, too.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Obumma is toast come 2012, so he could only be 'Emergency Ruler' for a year . . .the 2nd August Timothy 'Pinokio' Geithner deadline is a fraud and the Republicans know it... it'll be missed just to further rub salt in the wounds and damn Obummas inept shambolic Presidency 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment indygo55
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Yes! Thank you for saying that. Uh oh! I hear helicoptors. I think they have your IP address and now mine. Reminds me of that movie "Shudder Island" "RUN!"

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:59 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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FEDBuster,

Good call.  Maybe Vegas ought to be running odds on whether BHO invokes dictatorial control to "prevent" or to "respond to" the economic collapse.  Kind of an under/over thing...

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[There are many whom believe the ultimate goal of Obama is to take control like Chavez or Castro (Hitler, too).]---FEDbuster

Hi FEDbuster. I agree Pres. Obama has designs to officiate the transition of the US to a socialist nation. 

Interesting though, I've come to think Obama doesn't like his job as much as he'd thought he would.  I don't think he likes being a leader. I don't think it's in his nature. He likes the authority and the fame of being Mr. President, but I don't think he likes the responsibility.  

In fact, I think Obama hates being a leader. This dictotomy may explain his administration's mixed messages, Obama's teleprompter dependence, his non-commital propensity for voting "present," the vacations, and his unfulfilled campaign promises that baffle many of his supporters.


Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:36 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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It seems like he enjoys the perks, but not the work.  Flying on AF1 for family vacations, parties at the WH with the rich and famous, playing golf at top courses with friend for free,  state dinners, etc...  But when it comes time to work he would rather be talking sports than the economy.  College professors have never been known for a high work ethic, so it's not a big surprise to most of us.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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Indeed.

The only thing marxist/socialist/liberals fear more than conservatives is an honest day's work.

You see this everywhere.

The socialists are scared to death of conservatives.  That is in part why the lib MSM affixes "right-wing"(read conservative) blame on tragic incidents such as the lunatic lone attacker in Norway, or the mentally unstable attacker in Tucson AZ. Ironically, the attackers are often socialist statists.

 

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:58 | Link to Comment HellFish
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I think bamabi knows he can't become a Chavez or Castro.  His aim is to break (financial, cutural, trust, etc.) as much of the USA as possible.  Hoping for a collapse and a rebirth of the USA as a quasi-communist country.

I think where he miscalculates is that breaking the USA will free many of the producers and conservatives from the current compact and may result in two countries after the collapse.  The productive red states with a conservative bias and the blue states with increased statism.

Fear not.  After 50 years the blue USA will be begging for admission to the Red USA - under our terms.  The USA will be safe for another century or two after the reunion - until the left again makes it's move.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:40 | Link to Comment InconvenientCou...
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"There are many whom believe the ultimate goal of Obama is to take control like Chavez or Castro (Hitler, too).  A move like this would help to confirm this theory. "

You're almost ready to have an objective thought. keep at it. What you didn't propose is how to support the opposing conclusion.

Namely, that Obama is not anything like Hitler or Castro and is just an American that is willing to do what it takes to become POTUS. Not that different from many that have come before.

If you think of objective ways to test the counter argument you will reach elite status on ZH, which is littered with angry, intellectual dysfunction and precious myth.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment Sathington Willougby
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Yep, super congress to the rescue.  Permanent and vital to the nation's security super congress I might add.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:51 | Link to Comment SymforniX
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WHY can't they just be simply "The Tea Party"? Jeez... I expect nothing less than the "Pol Pot Democrats" to arise in answer...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:58 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Just try it, Zero. Just try it. Can't speak for the others, but I know of one Constitutional Militia Battalion - mine - that will pick up its weapons and head for the District of Corruption w/in 24 hours.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:00 | Link to Comment HellFish
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How do I sign up?  Please send details.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[...but I know of one Constitutional Militia Battalion - mine - that will...]---CompassionateFascist

Hi CompassionateFascist. 

While I appreciate your passion and commitment to our nation's Constitution, I think you may have misspoke. Regarding "---mine---" militia. I think you meant to say the people's militia, or the state's militia, or the county's militia, or the local community's militia.


Sun, 07/31/2011 - 20:40 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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That's "mine" as in "the one I'm in....".

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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MY misunderstanding. 

God's Speed to you, your outfit, and our nation's patriots.

Carry on.

 

 

 

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:58 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Unilateral action(s) by Obamatron will have MORE NEGATIVE EFFECTS than positive ones, world-wide!  You can't please all the debtors/creditors ALL the time!

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 07:26 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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"You can't please all the debtors/creditors ALL the time!"

I think there is a way, but it involves the destruction of the currency in which the contracts are denominated...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Landrew
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Interesting, if O'Bummer has already decided that the 14th would not apply I doubt he would invoke this directive either?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment trav7777
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The President does not have the legal authority to circumvent or suspend the Constitution.  Simply DOES NOT.

It doesn't matter what stupid shit these idiots write or say or do...they lack the legal authority.  Obviously, if they use extra-legal authority and the military goes along with it, then our government has changed and we live under a junta at that point

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Rusty_Shackleford
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"if"?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:23 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Got that right trav.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:24 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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please 'splain me how Exec Orders pass constitutional muster? I think Banksters have already proven "laws" don't mean shit (just change 'em - meh) and all the war powers & shit's all on the books already....just a matter of interpretation, dontcha know?. yeah, we're 1.5 steps (or less) from junta status....

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:40 | Link to Comment davidgn
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REQUIRED READING from a UC Berkeley professor emeritus who has been screaming at the top of his lungs to publicize this issue, to little avail. This is the text of his address to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco:
"Is the State of Emergency Superseding the US Constitution? Continuity of Government Planning, War and American Society"  http://japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/3448 

 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment davidgn
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...or just read Cognitive Dissonance's stuff. He has it covered.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 01:56 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Indeed.  One of Zero Hedge's resident geniuses.  NEVER leave us, Cognitive Dissonance!

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment narnia
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so what supreme court justice is going to authorize an injuction on the executive branch?  

isn't the game...  the executive branch can do whatever it wants, constitutional or not for 1.5 - 2 years until enough drug cases clear federal court for this lawsuit to make it to SCOTUS.  your confidence in self-constraint is not supported by reality.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:47 | Link to Comment trav7777
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scotus can issue cert at any time.  They found a way to get Bush v Gore on the fast track, didn't they?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 02:32 | Link to Comment narnia
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it would be as fast tracked as Obamacare.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment tom a taxpayer
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Obama was talking about going to the 14th Hole, not the 14th Amendment.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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yes let's not forget the Presidency is a 'figurative' post, or puppet for short. The Presidents main role is to wine, dine, play golf and attend the odd pre-approved Press questioning or deliver the odd pre-scripted speech. Obumma has surpassed even Bush in golf rounds played despite the historic seriousness of the recession (no hard work for slacker socialists)

what's remarkable for Obummas Presidency is Bush's Vice President Dick Cheny actually did some work.. Joe Biden does absolutely fuk all

So in addition to the 2 clowns at Treasury and The Fed, the US Govts 2 most senior posts are in effect 'filled' by two vacuums 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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You forgot to mention the esteemed and honorable Eric Holder. He has done so much since he's held the AG post. I'm just sure he has. Can anyone tell me cause I'm drawing a blank? Thanks.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:48 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Place Holder is there to ensure none of "my people" get prosecuted

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 07:49 | Link to Comment StormShadow
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Project GunRunner? Fast and Furious?

Oh, wait, he knew nothing about those

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:26 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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this is one of the countless thousands of pages that bush and the staff legal equivalent of fuking roberto gonZo-leZ (can you believe two z's?) cranked out as "signing bonuses for fascists" as part of his religious doctrine of the Unitary Executive aka Cheney's Law

now, prez0 has this "power" whick prezBummerooski added to the laws he signed

er, make that cheney, thru his puppet, the prezBummerooski

with his superhero powers, cheney could make tall builings fall

what "catastophic emergency"?????  the one about the militia?  i know of no other imaginable, at this point, constitutionally

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:30 | Link to Comment i-dog
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As is referenced in "(22) Revocation", this is simply a re-statement by Bush of the "Continuity of Government" directive issued by Clinton in 1998 -- with some tightening. In fact, most of the provisions go back to Executive Orders signed by Kennedy in the early 1960's.

I can't see how any of these "Presidential Directives" or "Executive Orders" can be constitutional when they so obviously trample on the Bill of Rights.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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hey, i_dog! 

 

"cheney's law" is a term from 1987 when cheney was doing something-or-other for prezRaygun, before either bush he worked with/for were prezziez

 

  • "when it was revealed in 2005 that the Bush administration had been illegally spying on Americans, [Vice President Dick] Cheney responded: 'If you want to understand why this program is legal…go back and read my Iran-Contra report.' In that report — authored in 1987 — Cheney and aide David Addington defended President Reagan by claiming it was 'unconstitutional for Congress to pass laws intruding' on the 'commander in chief'."—Charlie Savage, October 2007.[1]

and here's the link, altho there are many and this is not the most "neutral" about this shit:

Unitary Executive Theory - SourceWatch

i don't disagree that this goes back a long ways, since it concerns article 2, i believe, of the constitution, and so on.  and yes, it is just bragging, really, except where "defense" is concerned, which explains cheney's fondness for this type of "doctrine" which totally ignores any sane limitation of goobermint powers under the very same law/constitution 

imagine that?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:35 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Thanks for that link, Stewie. Another piece of the jigsaw falls into place!

Cheney is a protege of Daddy Bush and the neocons (including Perle, Wolfowitz and Kissinger) that switched from the Democrats to the Republicans to assist Nixon's election in 1968. The neocons have been in every Democrat and Republican Administration ever since. Cheney is 17 years younger than Daddy Bush and Kissinger and was merely carrying the torch forward for them within the Republican party.

BTW, Executive Order 11051, signed by John F. Kennedy in 1962, "gives authorization to put ALL executive orders into effect in times deemed to be of increased international tension, economic crisis, and/or financial crisis".

EO 11051 was superceded by EO 12148, signed by Jimmy Carter in 1979, which established FEMA and defines all of its powers during those same circumstances.

So any time the president "deems" we are in a "financial crisis", he can effectively institute martial law. And he will, too ... when he is ready.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 05:48 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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again, i'm not arguing with you (even tho i think that is the 2nd time you have called me "Stewie"  L0L)

that is what i tried to approach in my first post (which i understand you did not respond to) with (Paste): "what "catastophic emergency"?????  the one about the militia?  i know of no other imaginable, at this point, constitutionally"

we can have no end of "predicting" all kinds of horrible things which can happen "legally"

now, if the debt ceiling isn't raised, it could be deemed a financial crisis and martial law could be declared, but prez0 is not ready yet, and so on

or, we could stop spending more than we collect, and selling iou's like they were funnel cakes at the state fair

they're really not funnel cakes!  they are IOU's.  really! 

so i'm so fuking thick, and near-dead,  that i actually think the real legal issues around the ginormous pile of stinking,  putrid,  exponentially-increasing debt right now are much more important and necessary to grasp than anything which might happen if some "opinion" deems we don't have enough debt so we need martial law

and if we don't ass-u-me that the system must devolve to some kind of widespread anarchy simply b/c we don't raise the damned debt limit,  we might be reaching a point where we can actually think more or less straight

i'm an eternal freaking optimist, tho

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 08:00 | Link to Comment TSA Thug
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Ah Stewie. This place is great! No other site on the net presents itself with so many fine suspects.

Carry on. Fish in the barrel.

Don't worry I will remove dirty sox and underwear from your luggage for your constitutional DNA profile.

.

--You WILL Obey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOcAt44_QA

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 08:58 | Link to Comment i-dog
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My humble apologies for the "Stewie", Slewie! And I didn't intend to argue with you, nor take it that you were arguing with me. LOL.

That "Cheney Doctrine" is totally in keeping with the various Administrations passing unconstitutional Executive Orders all the way back to FDR, or even earlier. They only started publishing them in 1907 ... prior to that they were "secret", though primarily intended as a means of relaying the Administration's policies to the few Federal Departments. The constitutionality of many of these Orders has often been questioned, but never settled ... as is usual in Washington.

IMO, there is no way that the Federal Government will - or can - limit their spending on the military, corporate subsidies, or social handouts. The only hope to save the Republic at this late stage is for a number of States to secede and for the whole country, or a good part of it, to wake up and fight the Federales -- town by town, county by county, and state by state. The county sheriffs and state attorneys general are the last line of defence against the ongoing federal takeover of every constitutional institution. A few county sheriffs are working on it but, without the support of at least a core of citizens, they are fighting an uphill battle.

IMO, the only way the country will devolve into some kind of anarchy is if:

1. The Federales fail in their takeover (otherwise they will introduce martial law nationwide and they are more than capable of achieving it); AND,

2. A secession movement fails and there are no longer any local law enforcement officers being paid to keep the local peace by local counties/communities raising local funds from local citizens. The 'Wild West' was not that wild (contrary to Hollywood propaganda) because local communities are very capable of quickly organising themselves to address their local concerns. A well-armed society is a very polite society.

What a fucking unconstitutional and inhuman mess DC is creating ... with less than a few percent of the population even noticing!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment sangell
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It'd be one thing for the son of a former president to try it and quite another for a guy from Indonesia with only a quasi-legitimacy to push the bounds.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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True power springs not from the King himself but rather from the King's court. As long as The Big O serves the elite's agenda he will be supported. When he does not, well..................

Let's not kid ourselves any longer about where power lay here in the USA. It is no longer a Constitutional State and hasn't been one since at least 09-11-2001.............and most likely longer. I wrote about this in Nov of 2010.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/american-coup-d%E2%80%99%C3%A9tat-%E2%80%93-first-world-nation-style

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/crony-america-and-bill-rights-artwork-williambanzai7

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:45 | Link to Comment redpill
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Every dictatorship is actually an oligarchy, not that much different than a "democracy" in which the leaders are always chosen from the same cadre of financial elites.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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15-AUG-1971 was the date America lost it's real money. The 40th anniversary of that event is rapidly approaching and should be duly noted.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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duly noted; maybe we should alert some of those spin-doctors @ MSM

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:56 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Yeah CD. You have invested much into this blog/site. I value what you have shared very much. Not even sure if I really am on the same page as you, but I do recognize you as an honest person who call's 'em like they see 'em. I respect that and appreciate your input.

Wouldn't it be nice if politics worked like that? Instead of youtube video wow'em, then plow 'em bullshit: What if we had real in your face government. Government like what happens in your family. People are actually responsible for something. Accountability?

Freedom?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:50 | Link to Comment Juan Wild
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we need to elect the "unelectable" one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JId_kGKowfI&feature=related

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Juan Wild
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When are we going see some more of your articles, CD? The dissonance has grown around here since you stopped writing. There will always be critics. Although I understand you before I read your articles it is still refreshing to hear your voice. It's an affirmation that there is indeed a hidden spring hidden beneath this parched and desolate landscape.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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<flag as agreed with>

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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When are we going see some more of your articles, CD? The dissonance has grown around here since you stopped writing.

Where have you been? Three essays in the month of July with another ready to go Sunday or Monday, which will make it four. I wouldn't call that stopped.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/wetiko-%E2%80%93-cognitive-infiltration-third-kind

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/dispatches-occupied-territory-%E2%80%93-awakening

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/dispatches-occupied-territory-open-minds-and-closed-people

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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If I read Juan Wild's sentiment correctly it is this:

it is still refreshing to hear your voice. It's an affirmation that there is indeed a hidden spring hidden beneath this parched and desolate landscape.

It's still good to have you in the comments section daily, however :-)

I hope for a day where me, Juan Wild, Cog Diss and Dick Cheney are dancing on edge of the Hollywood sign.  Maybe that day is never going to come :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzlNFcT2aOE&ob=av3e


Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I appreciate the kind words from everyone. I really do.

But I don't understand the word "still" as in......"It's still good to have you in the comments section daily, however :-)"......and......"it is still refreshing to hear your voice."

I am writing no less and no more essays than I have on average since I became a contributor over 21 months ago. And as you said I am in and all over the general comment section every day. And no other contributor other than Banzai7 can say that.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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Good observations dude.  Have a nice night.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Juan Wild
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I think because there are more contributors I keep missing your articles along the top. I'll pay better attention from now on.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Dude, CD can only type 15wpm and therefore a week (60 hours) minimum between articles...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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LOL

When I go back to correct the spelling, it drops to 4 wpm. I'm a terrible speller.

But seriously, I doubt many understand how much work goes into my essays. They are all carefully thought out and extensively modified until they read the way I want them to read. The average piece has 4 or 5 main versions and at least 5-7 revision in between each version. And I don't write short. Most contributors put up 1 to 3 pages at most. My shortest pieces are more than 10 pages and they average over 17 pages.

My total posted work on ZH is over 37 essays, which is equal to two books of over 300 pages each. And this doesn't cover nearly an equal amount of unpublished fiction and non fiction as well as other essays that are posted on other sites under different aliases. 

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Actually, it is quite apparent how much work goes into those essays...

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:29 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I wasn't including you in my "many" comment Hulk. Your comments and responses to my essays over the past year plus speak quite clearly.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 01:52 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Craftmanship always crosses my mind when I read your works, fine craftsmanship...

 

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 02:07 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Cognitive Dissonance and FOFOA share a common characteristic in their writing:

A careful, at length explanation of their logic and reasoning in building their case.  Their works are not for everyone, both authors pretty much demand a careful reading or two.  If you can do that (read them carefully and absorb what they say), then all of us grasshoppers (shrimps) who go through the effort benefit from what they say.

Craftsmanship...

+ $55,000 Hulk!

EDIT:

Serial greens above!  Does that make me a serial greenie?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 02:30 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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DoChen,

You are smart dude.  Don't get too serious about this shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVaqZajq-I

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment trav7777
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and you look at this like it's a virtue?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Slow night for ya Trav? 

You just can't help being the asshole for very long, can ya? Something inside you just compels you to be insulting and flippant just so people will respond. Sort of like how you tie a pork chop around your neck so the dog will play with you.

Too funny and utterly transparent. Keep up the good work Trav. You make ZH special.  XOXO

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:06 | Link to Comment TSA Thug
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"My total posted work on ZH is over 37 essays, which is equal to two books of over 300 pages each. And this doesn't cover nearly an equal amount of unpublished fiction and non fiction as well as other essays that are posted on other sites under different aliases."

Weird. Our profile for CogDis shows his self description "Financial Money Manager".

CD is a fulltime ZH suspect and we've traced him on at least 3 other subversive sites.

Malpractice? Or does he just trade tips from his Yahoo Finance friends.

.

--You WILL Obey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTOcAt44_QA

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Forget all that.

All I want to know is when are you going to start groping me and will you promise not to stop?

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:18 | Link to Comment SymforniX
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Things just aren't the same when you're an incorporated entity - and your 'shareholders' are unaware of that to which they pledge 'allegiance'...

http://republicfortheunitedstates.org/

The REAL united states of America is out there...

Edit: see here for an explanation http://dev.republicoftheunitedstates.org/what-is-the-republic/history/

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:09 | Link to Comment lesterbegood
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+1776

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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They are scared as hell to pull the trigger. The plan was to wait until the currency collapse. This shit was not intended to happen until after B.O had secured its second term. The risk they perceive today is that if the trigger is pulled now, B.O. might not fulfill his mandate. If a true Conservative/Libertarian has control at collapse time, 50+ years of leftist maneuvering goes to waste (imagine that?).

FREE MARKETS BITCHES!

Open the zoo & fuck you!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:50 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I already pulled the trigger.

I own gold and silver. It matters not which way the markets go.

Now Government Confisication or other extreme orders? Well.... I would have a decision to make or it will be made for me.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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The only thing this government will confiscate from me and my rebel friends will be bullets with ballistic velocity.  

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:17 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I feel the same way.

The real question is will our own Kin obey orders to march onto the towns and counties?

They did it before in '68 on the east coast.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:54 | Link to Comment indygo55
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Yup. Everybody I know has guns. And they have ammo too. And the last few weeks they ALL have gotten more guns, ammo, silver, gold, food and heaven knows what. Been at Walmart at 2 am and people are stocking up on canned foods and beans and all kinds of things. I like the beans myself, and all the other stuff too of course. But this is gonna be truely different. There's gonna be a real revolt because people are getting ready and they are pissed off. Ticking time bomb. That's my report from the street. I'm telling you and I'm telling everyone else. GET READY!

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 03:02 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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See you on the rooftops.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment sschu
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They are scared as hell to pull the trigger.

I tend to agree, they were not expecting the "stalemate" we have now.  Politcally speaking, not sure how they reconcile without one side losing serious credibility.  And the next election.

It could get very dicey, long before they expected.

sschu

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 11:29 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"This shit was not intended to happen until after B.O had secured its second term"

It was never intended for Obomber to secure a second term! It was not necessary. All of his election "promises" in 2008 were to ensure that he got elected, so that he could do exactly as he has done -- break every single one of them!

This is also what his role-model Lenin had done in Russia in 1917 to overthrow the Tsars and moderate Bolsheviks, and secure absolute rule by an oligarchy (Lenin never intended for the workers to have a say!) ... it's straight from the Marxist playbook of "whatever it takes; the ends justify the means". FYI, the Russian KGB knew back in 1990 that "Barack" was their communist plant and that he would become a future president (see here and listen to this interview).

I agree with you that they didn't intend for this to happen right now (and I still expect a "kick the can" compromise at this time) ... rather, they intended to bring on the final collapse later next year and cancel the 2012 election -- after the full force of the police state had been completely assembled (troops returned from the ME; more Mexican illegals recruited to the military, TSA and state police forces) and the citizens completely trained to submit (via DHS, TSA, ATF, State Police, VIPR, etc).

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Whatever it takes to keep the Ponzi going and the elites in power and control.

Bachman Turner Overdrive - You ain't seen nothing yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJmBPCYt5LY

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:43 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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"You ain't see nothing yet."  Same with price of gold.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:15 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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I have a large supply of Coffee ready and am resting in case I want to make some fast moves with finances before the boom is lowered.

Mother of all falling knives eh?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment bania
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Part II, Paragraph 4, section c), sub-section iii), bitchez

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:36 | Link to Comment pepperspray
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Head to Boston

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:36 | Link to Comment hognutz
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Die Evil Federales!  Die!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Cole Younger
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The problem I see with this is that National Continuity Policy has never been challenged in a court. It could easily be stayed on a number of constitutional challenges. I wouldn't put to much weight behind most laws that were born from 911 including the Patriot act.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment spdrdr
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Jeez.

Putting Courts in control of determining issues of Constitutionality?

I'll believe that when I see it!!!

 

 

 

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Frankie Carbone
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That hasn't worked out for us too well, has it?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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When can we activate the emergency impeachment proceedings?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment docj
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Beautiful - a naked emission of debt/currency should bring-on the poop-storm with Cat 5 winds and a tsunami or two. Bring it, O. Crash it all down.

Pretty please.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:42 | Link to Comment digalert
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Expect false flag.

More so as Nov 2012 nears.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment tsx500
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Exactly. Could happen anytime, anywhere. I just can't figure out how it wil be 'timed' w/ regards to QE3

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:44 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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None of this is going to happen.

The US has tax revenue input of something a bit over 2 trillion dollars.

This will pay for enough activities to ensure the world doesn't end.

It will not pay for everything that a desire exists to spend, but it will fund life in a stability level well past catastrophe.

Treasuries will be serviced, social security will be paid, medicare will be paid, the armed forces will likely be cut but will receive enough money to prevent invasion, and maybe, just maybe, the FAA can keep planes in the air.

For the rest, cubicles will empty.  So it goes.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment kito
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umm, crashis, as the country cannibalizes itself, just how are those tax revenues gonna look? im thinking alot less than 2 trillion buddy...

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:22 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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Still enough to service the debt and pay SS and medicare. The military needs to downsize. Nobody is going to invade us. Get rid of homeland security dept of education, dept energy, HUD, welfare, foreign aid, and most of the EPA

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Tyranny is Love
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No way the military gets cut nor Homeland security. With the Security/Military industrial complex accounting for so much...(Govt spending, Profit, employment, lobbing, backhanders, lobbing and more lobbing). that will be the second to last thing cut right before the banks are wound up.

Banks are a vehicle for transferring wealth between people and institution/corporations, (also for storing wealth but I doubt any one reading this believes that). Therefore you need at least one.

The military and Homeland security provide protection to the system and the people at the top. If that goes or is perceived as too weak then the guys at the top get too scared to continue and leg it. That won't happen while there's still wealth to transfer/consolidate. Assuming that all goes to plan.

The problem is, as the system cannibalizes itself the control mechanism that existed in society, (and that allowed this to happen), erode then fail. The end result is that near the end even the guy  at the top of the pyramid, (there is always one guy, because these cats do not share), with the best view and most resource can't plan ahead nor control anything. Its a bit like the beginning of the big bang, all the laws of physics don't work, at least not as we interpenetrate them. Chaos.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 08:16 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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The military is already being cut.  The civilian contractors?  Not so much.  DoD panel just finished putting together a recommendation to completely change the military retirement system with no grandfather clause.  The gist?  Forced contributions to the TSP.  Just another slush fund for the government to draw on...

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:16 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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>> Nobody is going to invade us.

12-40 million illegal aliens already have.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 01:52 | Link to Comment Tyranny is Love
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Who said "invade" their there for you. The way this is playing out with wealth being consolidated in fewer and fewer hands those forces (military/homeland) will be required in the us. Of course I could be wrong... Politicians might cooperate for the good of the people, the govt could sort out the problem with the economic systems/regulations, the economy could recover.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:04 | Link to Comment indygo55
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Dude, when the intrest rates jump its game over. It's not as clear sailing as you portray. I would love to believe you but when the interest rates on all this debt goes up, and it will go up, then where the FUCK is the money gonna come from? We have already pulled this scheme to its ultimate pinacle. The house is gonna fall. No more Rascals for grandma and home care provided by the tax payers. It'll get WAY worse than that. With all due respect I wish it were as you say but I just can't see it.

 

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment trav7777
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there are no suckup white people around him anymore to do everything while he gets to sit in the spotlight.  Consequently, he's totally lost.  He's put his cronies in all the positions of power and they are effing clueless as well because they have been lifelong beneficiaries of the same sytem

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Reese Bobby
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I think: It is unlikely Obama will use the "Catastrophic Emergency" clause.  That would involve him doing something and taking political risk.  His brief political career has been built on not doing anything.  He will stay on the sidelines and play the blame game as that is the safe political course.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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What is Political Risk?

These events this year all but gaurantee he will not be voted back next year in election season.

Or will he? The People are the Government, Majority who wins the Popular vote and/or the electoral college is going to be president.

There are times when risk is no longer revelant and survival becomes exceedingly important. We all saw this when Regaen was thrown into the ER buck naked after he was shot. I understand it was a very near thing.

 

The next best example of risk taking will be the event at which the F111 Program was killed. The quoute I believe was "Not enough thrust in all Christiandom to fly the airplane."

The coining of a new phrase, "Not enough money in all the free world unless one takes a few extra zeros and sticked it to the US Dollar bill.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment mt paul
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read the small print 

elections can be canceled or deleayed

in the catastrophic emergency...

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Bob
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Let us not underestimate the Power of Diebolt. 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:49 | Link to Comment cswjr
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I think section 21 rules this out as a possibility.  Basically, the Prez has to abide by the law... imagine that.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:52 | Link to Comment gkm
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Rome started out as a republic as well.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:24 | Link to Comment caerus
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Indeed...and it was the threat of "imminent danger" that the generals appealed to in order to justify the imposition of a dictatorship...for the good of the republic...in the end, caesar came out on top...last man standing...

nihil sub sole novum

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:10 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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"Last Man Standing"...."Et Tu, Brute?".

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:56 | Link to Comment kito
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The whole world's broke and it ain't worth fixing
It's time to start all over, make a new beginning
There's too much pain, too much suffering
Let's resolve to start all over make a new beginning

Now don't get me wrong - I love life and living
But when you wake up and look around at everything that's going down -
All wrong
You see we need to change it now, this world with too few happy endings
We can resolve to start all over make a new beginning

Start all over
Start all over
Start all over
Start all over

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 06:03 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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may the Universe,
in its infinite wisdom,
grant that the mouse in kito's pocket
is a heluva lot smarter than he is!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:56 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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Someone will spin the use of this as the 'Santa Claus(e)'

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:56 | Link to Comment longontents
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"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
-Frank Zappa (bitchez)

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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Frank Zappa was a pretty cool guy.

Frank Zappa - Jewish Princess:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF4N-lvduG0

 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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I can't wait for that announcement from the teleprompter and chef:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

The Department of Homeland Security has recently added all 535 members of Congress to the terrorist watch list. I have now invoked the power to declare them enemy combatants under article six of the homeland security act of 2001. As such they will be waterboarded at the nearest convenient secret prison until such time as they cough up the money bitchez.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:06 | Link to Comment kito
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but...but...oil is down!! obama wins!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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waterboarding is transitory

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment indygo55
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Send me the coordinates of the first dozen or so.. Me and my compadres will take care of 'em. Promise.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment TomGa
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First, if Obummer tried this inane approach, just how fast do you think impeachement proceedings would follow??  

Second, if such a directive were to be invoked, by definition the situation would admittedly be "catastrophic." If the rating agencies would downgrade to AA just over problems related to raising the debt ceiling, much less a lack of a coherent plan to cut the deficit, just how far would they cut if the executive itself were to declare the entire situation "catastrophic?!" Talking about throwing gasoline on a fire while cutting your own throat.  Obama wouldn't be this stupid, would he?

Third, with all of the lawyers in this country, does anyone have a guess at how fast would such a directive, as it effects agencies, departments, or citizens outside of the executive, be challenged in the USSC?

 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:14 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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I agree. To use a word that was used against W in 2000, Obama doesn't have the gravitas to successfully pull off such a stunt. If he tried, it would be the end of his presidency.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:05 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:22 | Link to Comment roccman
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gee - "homeland security" was spawned from the false flag 911

ya'll starting to get the picture wrt the GREAT KILL OFF?

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:26 | Link to Comment Jasper M
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"Is America's maxing out its credit card comparable to a nuclear or terrorist attack on the continent?"

Well, certainly, as both would be the end of the world as the ruling class knows it. 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:27 | Link to Comment LRC Fan
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This is seriously fucked up.  Probably the most insane article/comments I've ever read. 

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2300428/

 

They seriously are debating whether the gov't should simply issue a FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR COIN AND PAY DOWN THE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also discussing letting the government "overdraw the bank account" for a bit (transitory, of course).  What the fuck is going on in America?  Why isn't gold at $50k+?  Why isn't silver even at an all time nominal high?????????????  Fuck the markets, fuck everything, buy silver/gold before the DXY hits 1 and the Yen surges to parity with USD. 

 

 

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Zaphod B.
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Force me to buy bonds.

Time to nail a copy of 'Francisco's Money Speech' to some doors.

Ragnar stopped by today.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:33 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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Of course...this could have been the plan all along. Fudge the GDP low or make sure it does go low...panic the population. Execute the executive order(s). This will make Plato a freakin genius called it when he said Democracy leads to Tyranny.

Sun, 07/31/2011 - 03:15 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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This is going to "make Plato a freakin genius"?

I'm pretty sure he's been there for some centuries, but I would imagine that if he were alive today, he'd appreciate your support.   *snicker*

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment onlooker
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Obama will not do this. Politico is lefty loony. But thanks Tyler for the update. I do not read Politico often nor Huffy.

 

However, if the 14th is used, I vote for the Air Force.

Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:51 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Never trust any wordy lawyered-up document granting powers that is longer than the US Constitution.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!