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U.S. SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS CORE OF OBAMA HEALTH CARE
Here we go:
- OBAMA'S HEALTH-CARE OVERHAUL UPHELD BY U.S. SUPREME COURT
- 5-4 decisions, with Roberts joining the court's liberals.
- Court says federal government can’t threaten to withhold money from states that don’t fully comply on Medicaid extension
- CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS SAYS MANDATE IS NOT A VALID EXERCISE OF CONGRESS' POWER UNDER COMMERCE CLAUSE AND NECESSARY AND PROPER CLAUSE
- HEALTH LAW'S MEDICAID EXPANSION LIMITED BY U.S. SUPREME COURT -RTRS
- ROBERTS, JOINED BY TWO JUSTICES, SAYS MEDICAID EXPANSION VIOLATES CONSTITUTION -RTRS
- FOUR JUSTICES DISSENT, SAYING THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT GOES BEYOND -RTRSCONGRESSIONAL POWERS UNDER CONSTITUTION -RTRS
- ScotusBlog conclusion: So the mandate is constitutional
- The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read
- The ACA is upheld as a tax, not a penalty
The bottom line from the WSJ:
A quick overview of the ruling: A divided Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Obama administration’s health-care law, in one of the most anticipated high-court rulings in a generation. The court said Congress was acting within its powers under the Constitution when it required most Americans to carry health insurance or pay a penalty—the provision at the center of the two-year legal battle. It upheld the mandate as a tax, in an opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts.
The ruling is a victory for Democrats and President Barack Obama, who had passed the biggest reworking to the health system since the creation of Medicare in the 1960s and faced the prospect of the court nullifying their effort. It also averts disruption for hospitals, doctors and employers who have spent more than two years preparing for changes in the law.
Even as the law’s fate was in doubt, the administration moved ahead with implementing its provisions. It has been negotiating with states to set up exchanges where consumers can buy subsidized insurance policies and sign up millions of lower-income Americans for Medicaid. Some states, including Florida and Texas, refused to cooperate because they expected the law to be overturned.
For Mitt Romney, the high court\’s decision basically means he won\’t have to change his stump speech. Expected to speak later today, Mr. Romney is sure to promise to repeal the law if he\’s elected. It also means he\’ll face less pressure to offer specifics on what he\’d replace the law with — a positive for a campaign that tends to shy away from details.
And more from the WSJ's Brent Kendall
More from inside the court, from our Brent Kendall, who will be going through the ruling line by line: The court’s ruling is largely a victory for the Obama administration. The court’s 59-page opinion rejects the government’s primary argument that Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce gives lawmakers the authority to require citizens to buy insurance or pay a penalty. But the court goes on to uphold the insurance mandate on other grounds. “It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance,” Chief Justice Roberts writes. “Such legislation is within Congress’s power to tax.”
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Being from Texas I would move back in a heartbeat if they did this.
If they do, I will be afk renting a moving van.
I'd bet on Wyoming, Oklahoma and Alabama, too.
could THIS be the BLACK SWAN?
Kick the economy while it's down!!!
The upside is this just assured obozo's defeat.
Pretty sure you're right.
Only if everyone writes in Ron Paul. Otherwise the other bank and corporate candidate will win.
"could THIS be the BLACK SWAN?"
If it ain't it Goddamned sure ought to be.
no black swan yet ... just some ammunition to divide this country even further
Fuck you Supreme Court. You are not last because you are right. You are right because you are last.
Im out of here.
USSA USSA USSA
what a disgrace
This normally means we chose the other guy
but in this case the other guy is a psychopathic lunatic, so yeah we're fucked!
As I have said before this is the Dread Scott decision of our day.
Looks like debt slavery is the new black. How fitting.
Judgeo-Corpocracy - Judicial Branch writing laws from the bench in accordance with the desires of their corporate owners.
Yes, leaving is the only option left now.
There will be no revolution. Not even this blatant trashing of the Constitution will move "patriots" to revolt. There are no so-called "patriots". Just a bunch of gun waving blowhards who will knuckle under and pay this "tax" and shut the fuck up.
There will be no state secession. Texas didn't even have guts to stand up to TSA.
Everybody will knuckle under and pay this "tax" and shut the fuck up about it.
If you don't wana pay it, leaving America and terminating your American citizenship is your only way out.
This ruling proves the Constitution is dead. You have no more Constitutional protections. They're gone.
This ruling proves America is just like Russia now. The "politburo" does anything they want.
Election in november?
Yea, Putin was elected too.
See, no difference. We're just like Russia now.
"The word "default" just keeps poping up in my head. 16 trillion in debt and counting......."
Yep...sooner rather than later...States can't be compelled to pay for the expansion of medicare..so the federal government will have to flip the bill...more borrowing is coming...more printing will be needed...
does my motorcycle premium go up now too ;)
more importantly, gold is down!
what a mess all of this is.....let's have a market crash and reset all of this please.
motorcycles will be outlawed. Ride while you can.
But Harley Davidson got a bailout. Surely the govt. wouldn't piss away money like that? Oh wait.
awesome if they are - now I don't have to see fat middle-aged biker wannabes with their even fatter/uglier wives/girlfriends/daughters rip down the streets.
"see" hear
Insurance companies bought the court! Also in the Obamacare everyone has to be Chipped by March 30th 2013!
cnn.com is reporting that the individual mandate was struck down. Disniformation everywhere. April Fools...but who is fooling us? Shit!
And now cnn corrects to agree with ZH. Just as always with the MSM.
A little bizarre, if you ask me. I almost took a screenshot of the CNN page - for posterity.
@Spastica Rex
I've now moved on from the initial horror of the decision to dreading the Obama presser where he gloats about his tyrannical victory.
Always something to look forward to. Ick.
I saw the same thing. I am thinking did ZH finally get something wrong. No, it was the though of getting something wrong that was wrong. Yep, got my answer pretty quicky. CNN update, breaking news. Man are they bad.
The bastards had me going for a few minutes there...
I just poured a round of tequila shooters when they changed their story!
See y'all in the streets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxyzmGQPIFs
That is all.
We are all in a shit soup now.
"The ACA is upheld as a tax, not a penalty"
So now being forced to pay money to an insurance company is a TAX????
WTF kind of drugs are the SCOTUS taking?
Well, it's consistent with the Kelo decision, which upheld the idea that the government can take your property and give it to a private third party.
Good point. Good connection. It is conceivable that the government can do anything with the absolute dissolution of property rights. To force someone to buy something is to deny the right to using their own labor and property which is expressed as money. I say we will go fascist with a socialist government giving advantages to favored businesses and industries. CEO's will line up all day for that deal.
You have to see a little ideological consistency there--taxes should feed the "private sector" rather than evil government.
It looks like that is when a tax becomes a good tax.
Like the MIC, the Prison-Industrial Complex, the War on Terror, the Drug War, the Banks . . . We're onna roll here!
And we've got Citizens United for the reach-around.
It's pure psychopathic poetry.
To me that's probably the most scary part of this whole ruling. The Supreme Court felt it was necessary to define it as a tax when no other court below it would. They have just opened up the Pandora's box of 'penalties as taxes'. They have just greenlighted the wet dream of every piece of shit in government that wanted to further ram down the throat of the public 'what's best for us'. Fuck.
Amen Brother
Dudes it was written in the act to not be a TAX.
This part must be re-voted on, since SCOTUS can only rule on the wording of the Bill as presented.
In order for the Mandate to become a Tax, it has to be brought before Congress AGAIN.
And the Congress will not allow its passage.
Aint over yet.
I repeat, there is no rule of law, that ain't gonna happen.
Or if it does, it's just the next dog and pony show.
Well, at least now I know how the insurance companies are going to survive in a ZIRP4EVA world. Honestly, who need yield when you've got guns?
Obama himself said it was not a tax and not to be taken as a tax. However, I don't see it going anywhere from here on that basis. The scarier part to me is the thought that the definition of a tax might have been changed or expanded.
Insurance companies own your ass in ways that few comprehend. And they just keep rolling.
At 7:45AM I notified 8 employees that they were laid off so I can bring my company under the threshold for providing Obamacare. I've never had to lay-off employees before. It's a very, very sad day today...
I hope you laid off Democrats and Obama voters first and then connected the dots for them.
Good News: We no longer need to fear war with China! We are now socialist brothers in arms!
Watch OBAMA say its not a tax increase ...
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/3968/constitutional-deception
you have got to be fucking kidding me.
@RacerX
See Spastica Rex's comment above. SCOTUS is just part of TPTB establishment. All you need to know brought to you by your corporate overlords.
When push comes to shove any "conservative" will go with the big money, the others just made it look like dissent, if roberts went the other way one of the others would have kept it. It is all rigged against the common man.
If you are not wealthy or welfare you are not anything!
Rex nailed it.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
- Declaration of Independence
Amen. And may God help America now. Because these boobs have sold us all down the river.
You know what just struck me is that your quotation of the Declaration probably qualifies you for a "watch list" and as a subversive in modern America. I am not joking. We have come to a sad state of affairs. God, I wish we could resurrect the great men who wrote those documents. We have fallen so far.
I'm sure I'm already on a number of lists, but that thought crossed my mind as I was posting it.
To the US Govt, "tyranny" (which the Founders revolted against), like "terrorism," is, by definition, incapable of being carried out by the US Govt. The govt. defines terrorism as countries or groups acting against American interests and engaging in violence against civilians for political gain.
Thus, when "scary Muslims" kill US citizens, they are "terrorists." But when Obama kills civilians in drone strikes for political gain, he and the US Govt are merely protecting American interests, not engaging in terrorism.
Likewise, it seems to me that the abuses we face today are at least equal, if not more attrocious, that those the Founders railed against as tyranny and despotism. Yet, because the abuses we endure are perpetrated by the institution designed to protect our interests, the thought of rebelling against such abuses like the Founders did seems almost unspeakable to the general public. We are taught to believe that, like terrorism, tyranny can only come from outside forces. This, of course, is completely naive, but the vast majority of the general public has swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
Then again, it's estimated that only about 40% of the colonists supported the Revolution. It may have even been less. The point is, tyranny is tyranny, and there comes a point where a larger enough chunk of the population wakes up and realizes that enough is enough. The words of the Declaration, as ominous as they may be to TPTB, stand as true today as they did when they were written. The only difference is that this time the threat is coming from within our own government. This doesn't change the fact that our interests are no longer represented and the abuses continue to pile on. When will we say, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
Your point in your third paragraph crossed my mind, too. The infringements and abuses the founders faced were in many ways less that what we endure today. I do not have troops in my home...yet, but most other freedoms are gone. I do believe there are many who want to fight this or who would like to peaceably take a few states and reestablish a government based upon inalienable rights. The fundamental problem I see is that most Americans today, even conservatively oriented do not dispute the government's right to rule and make rules in all aspects of life. They do not recognize a government limited to common defense and the protection of liberty and individual rights. They cannot conceive of a life where you don't even think about government as a daily factor in your life, creating and tweaking all sorts of rules, benefits and economic outcomes for the collective good.
I think the revolution was actively supported by less than a third depending on what you read. However, the middle third watched passively while a third supported the King. Most of life breaks down that way...a third for, a third against and a third undecided or confused.
BTW, FreedomGuy, in response to your comment, I'm not sure we would want to resurrect those guys. Most of 'em would drop dead on the spot when they saw what we've done with their republic.
In any case, it's up to us to take it upon ourselves to right this ship. I'm sure some of the partiots who argued and fought for independence didn't realize just how great and heroic they were. Who says there's not thousands of men and women today with the same moral fortitute to fight for freedom?
See ya all offshore, bye!!!!
Death Panel bitchez!!!!
Are we supposed to be surprised? Let the demise of America continue...
LOL...
It's a tax?
Well, the penalty tax is a penalty, except when it's a tax penalty, then it would be a tax.
And thank you kindly, your honor, for correcting my argument.
pods
wow, just wow
I thought more like "holy shit!"
RIP America
Unbelievable.
Can't uphold individual mandate under the Commerce Clause but can under taxing authority.
Is it time yet to push the giant RESET button on Federalism?
Man, I thought Roberts was a jurist. This is a Holderism, a Gonzalorhoid...
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - Obama
Communist President, Communist Supreme Court
I thought when the gestapo held a gun to my head and told me to buy milk from the corporate dairy - or else - it was called fascism.
Huh.
"Communists and fascists abhor liberty approximately equally."
--Me, now
Now go look up the Jeanne Kirkpatrick PhD thesis controversy and some black and white paint cans.
Tyranny is tyranny.
Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel...
fascism and communism are kissing cousins. In the former you have ostensibly privately owned means of production, but in practice, the state imposes such tight regulation that the 'private' nature of private institutions is a sham. The state dictates who can be hired, at what wage, what goods can be sold, and at what price. Consumers are left with no choices because the state imposes cartels and price controls.
'Bureaucrats' in communist countries vs 'industrialists' in fascist ones... in both systems you have an oligarchy completely controlling the economy. It's a distinction without a difference.
Fascists tend to be nationalists, whereas communists are internationalists. That's probably the biggest real difference between the two.
@BigJim
Agree with everything you wrote and just wanted to say thank you for adding this little gem to my thought process. I never looked at it that way before.
Communism - Distribution of goods and services takes place according to the individuals needs.
Socialism - Distribution of goods and services takes place according to the individuals efforts.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/communism-vs-socialism.html
Fascism - a political ideology revolving around the concept of authoritarian nationalism, which advocates the need to organize a nation based on the corporatist perspectives and values.
But WTF, who cares - LIBERTY is dead when a government can dictate that you MUST buy a product or service.
Both the CCCP and Nazi Germany were nationalistic as well as supra-nationalistic. Maybe what you're saying is the rhetoric is slightly different; I would agree with that. The lesson for me is that any offer of "hope" by the elite to the common man is bogus.
Yes, good point, it's more accurate to say that they package their totalitarian ideologies as either nationalistic or supra-nationalistic.
In practical terms the important thing is that they are both totalitarian. All these stupid F**king juvenile caring liberal-progressive types just set the stage and pave the way for the adult hard core statists that follow right behind them. The adult lefites know it is about power. BTW, I don't have the link, but the old Soviets will tell you that the first people jailed and killed are not the libertarian types but the juveile idealist lefties. They have to go first because when the illusion is lifted they defect or subvert the true power.
Intellectuals built the Road of Bones.
BigJim,
Excellent analyisis. And there is this brilliant exposition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jAdu0N1-tvU
Tea Party - R.I.P
Don't answer that knock at the door....the Tea Party is about to go midevil.
The Kochs and their buddies must have something to gain here--this couldn't have gone over without their boyz on the court.
Of course, they will make as much political hay on it as possible. They'll be beating the Tea Party like a drum.
you mean another scheme to milk the blue hairs of more weatlh?
This second "tea party" failed, adn the first succeeded because the more recent one tried to use votes to change things. Guns change things. Votes are simply placebos when cast within the rigged game.
Shut up and swallow asshat.. You can beat off SEIU like a drum..
Sure, it's all about the unions v. the rest of us, the Real Americans, the good people.
Sad thing is that so many good people get caught up in the old divide-conquer bullshit.
Good point, people like you, I agree Bob you should back off the right as they actually give a shit if your sorry ass is free to make a choice, so stuff your condescending bullshit back up your socialist ass..
Did you hear that? Every small busines just closed its' doors.
Mine anyway, 2000-2012, RIP. June 30th my last day.
My condolences.
SECEDE -
Mine is still going, but I'm a solo operation at this point - I could hire, but there's no f*ing way that I will now.
Exactly... everyone is going to have their own company or corporation in the future... and work as an independent contractor to whoever can refer business/whoever is already established.
The poor bastards graduating college have no idea what kind of a mountain they'll have to climb to remotely get a chance at the pie.
I'm barely holding onto mine. 14 years and now I'm wondering what's the point anymore.
Don't be selfish - you owe it to the collective. Comrade.
I closed my shop at the end of January. This reinforces that it was the right thing to do.
After this ruling I think I shall be following your example. I tried to do the "right" thing and play by the rules. Fuck that. Landscaping companies are pretty easy to run under the table.
Cash clients are king, my friend. Best of luck to you.
Which is why they've been floating the meme that, "only domestic terrorists would use cash rather than debit/credit cards."
Yeah, 12 years here and it is beginning to seem pointless! This little gem may be the nail in my coffin. Have been hanging on by a thread since the 08 debacle! WTF?
Don't let them win. Go black market. Only accept cash.
Go reopen it in a country that enjoys productivity.
I pulled the plug on that being an employer nonsense almost a decade ago.
May The Supreme Court Die and the Executive Branch. Let the war begin.
2nd amendment.......untouched.
Not for long.
It was 'touched' years ago, ever heard of the nfa act? You need to read the major gun laws in place and then ask yourself if they 'infringe' upon something.
We are all slaves, our owners just gave us a bigger plantation.
They can't outlaw farm implements and rope.
No, just apply an excessive use mandate/tax.
Wanna bet?
http://mountainguerrilla.blogspot.com/2012/01/some-thoughts-on-comingerr...
more at link, good read from "John Mosby"
"As I surf around different internet forums I keep seeing, as I have for over 20 years, too many folks voicing their concerns about the protection of the Second Amendment. Often, these statements include something along the lines of “If the Second Amendment goes, all the others will follow!”
Newsflash! The others are already disappearing, or gone, as is the Second…
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
The USA PATRIOT ACT pretty well kicked this old relic to the curb. If you had any doubts, look at the video footage of police response to the Occupy Wall Street protests, specifically in Oakland, California, and on the UC-Davis campus. I don’t care what your views are on the OWS movement. Even if you think, as I do, that they are mostly a bunch of spoiled, rotten, rich-kid, bourgeoisies socialists/communists/Marxists, as long as they are PEACEFULLY assembled, to petition the government about their grievances, they have the natural, human right to bitch and whine.
The typical argument I get from police officer friends that they were “breaking the law because they were on public property,” is a load of complete horseshit. What if the folks in Boston on 16DEC1773 had decided, “Well, standing on this street corner is against the law, so we’re going to just disperse like the soldiers/cops are telling us to?” To this day, particularly in regard to the O.C. attack on the protestors seated on the campus sidewalk by uniformed LEOs, I believe those students would have been completely justified, morally, in standing up and kicking the ever-loving-dogshit out of the officers doing the spraying. “The officers were in fear of their safety!” Bullshit! I’ve been in fear of my safety. I’ve seen others in fear of their safety. Those Stasi-wannabe stormtroopers were not at all in fear of their safety. They reveled in the chance to assault those “dirty, smelly, hippies,” with no threat of repercussions.
The pending legislation in the form of SOPA and PIPA are affronts on this amendment as well. The recent case of a judge legislating from the bench that only the “authorized” press is protected is further proof that the government no longer feels obligated to provide the protections provided by the first amendment.
No need to wait for the Second Amendment to disappear to watch the First Amendment go. It’s already gone."The typical argument I get from police officer friends that they were “breaking the law because they were on public property,”
LE are government mercenaries now. All they care about is enforcing the "law", regardless of how that law violates people's rights, they don't give a shit.
LE are front line traitors to everything American originally stood for. Front line mercenaries carrying out the dictates of communist fascist tyrannical governments, federal all the way down to city, against the people.
These rogue governments would have no power to enforce their anti-constitutional anti-American laws without their gun-toting LE mercenaries.
No true American would ever be in law enforcement, going around tyrannizing their fellow Americans for a paycheck.
I have met several and know several who are trying to get in and on average they seem less moral than most I know these days. I personally believe they are prepared to serve a totalitarian state in many ways. An example would be that ALL police officers speed routinely...all of them unless they are desk jockeys. Yet, they line you up in speed traps for the purpose of revenue. The courts add on court costs to pay their salaries and then start processing the newest revenue source, the red light camera tickets. Now we will add people not paying their healthcare "tax". They will be processed right next to the people who refuse to buy auto insurance. Last time I was in traffic court it was $1000 for no car insurance with half waved if you got it in 30 days. I expect the same for health insurance.
The point is that they know there is no particularly moral aspect to the law. It is a game and they have the authority and guns. To preserve themselves about two thirds will turn those guns on you...and just say it it simply their job, nothing personal you understand.
N. Korea survives because "law enforcers" are willing to kill their fellow citizens to preserve themselves. It has always worked this way.
I do not think I could be in law enforcement these days unless I was a local small town sheriff in Mayberry. There I could keep a lid on the true bad guys, refuse all speed traps unless someone is actually being dangerous and tell other LE to get the hell out of my jurisdiction...or I will have Barney put that damned bullet in his gun.
Really? How many machine guns do you have?
You forgot the Senate. Isn't it controlled by democrats? I would bet your house on this: Pretty much you cry and whine and want war anytime something doesn't go your way. If they over turned it, you'd be praising them. You're nothing but a mouth breathing, air consuming, vacuous nobody who is part of the reason this country is going to downward, cause you won't allow any agreement, it's your way or the high way. Let me guess, you are a yellow snake waving tea party member. I agree with the yellow and the snake, but guess what, don't tread on me either. It's time for everyone to finally come together and move the fuck on and fix the fucking economy not talk about healthcare. it's OVER. MOVE ON. The banbksers are still out there raping us so let's not forgot that.
Someday Rick, someday..
And now the insurance industry can rape us, too, with IRS agents holding you down and TSA grinning and jacking off while watching.
Maybe it doesn't occur to you that banksters and other badguys can rape you because government gives them power. The Democrat Congress and Supreme Court just gave more people power over you...not to mention the government itself. If they call it a tax they can make you buy bankster stuff, too!
Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs.
F&%#$' up the scenery, breakin' my mind.
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the signs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D59ZWa8ehgI
I really don't like what the sign I'm reading has to say to me.
Follow the yellow brick road...
Too funny. Red meat with gristle for all to chew on.
HaHaHaHaha. Stick that up your Libertarian asses.
Up vote for making me crack up. But, fuck you too.
People like you will probably suffer the most in the long run as a result of this.
It's up my libertarian ass and your Obamanation ass and her communist ass. It's up all our asses...with no lube and very little warning.
Communist.
@surf0766
...or fascist. Either way, a foe of liberty and freedom.
It's a good day for statists like you. You pile of shit.
That's all you got? Weak.
So its not illegal to be poor.
Of courtse it is idiot. if you don't pay for health insurance you will be fined. Moron!
+100
It's also illegal to sleep in public, to store items in public places, to panhandle...this is how the government deals with poverty; they outlaw it and generate revenue from the fines.
“The law in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.“ —Anatole France, (Jacques Anatole Francois Thibault) The Red Lily, 1894.
No, it is not illegal to be be big pharma or health insurance companies and drive fed.gov mandated payments as high as possible.
Oh yeah, and watch all the doctors quit. Except the ones who graduated from University of Mexico with a D- GPA...
when I get old and feeble Ill have to HOPE they CHANGE my DEPENDS! OLE~
I thought this was an April's Fools Joke, guess not.
As I always say; the one thing ya know....is that you never know. Wow.
And thus is laid to rest any last remaining pablum about the USA being a "limited constitutional republic"
The constitutional republic was laid to rest on 9/11/2001. They're just mopping up a few niches now.
This is not so different from the requirements, mostly enacted in the last 50 years, that legally requires one to have automobile insurance. Now the insurance companies, in partnership with the state, have increased the premiums dramatically and they use the state's police power to make sure you pay whatever they decide you should pay. Competition is minimal. The same thing is evolving out of the partnership between the state and the health insurance industry. It's all about controlling and shearing the sheep.
No. This is like the Government saying you must buy a car and also have it insured. You currently do not havet o buy a car.
The automobile insurance is for liability. When my heart attack causes damage to others, then I will buy insurance.
What a fucking joke!
Fuckers.
The Founding Fathers had exactly this in mind. They wanted all of us to buy health insurance in a "free-regulated-market" and to face criminal penalties if we didn't. Has nobody read "The Federalist Papers"?
Look, the Founding Fathers were ok... for their time. But society has evolved! If you were ill, would you want an 18th century physician to treat you, or one who'd trained in the 21st century? Well, it's the same with politics. Washington? Jefferson? Great men, for their time. And now we have new great men and women to lead us and rewrite our constitution, people like Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi, with a wise group of experts in jurisprudence like Elena Kagan to perform modern constitutional exegesis.
Don't harken back to the Founding Fathers, most of whom were oligarchic slaveowners! Look to the bright new future of America with modern leaders like Obama and Romney!
Wow... this trolling lark is actually quite fun.
Thomas Jefferson could lance a boil, tie off an artery and procreate with Sally on the sly.
The fact that doctors (myself included) know more than was known at that time, does not validate the destruction of the essential freedom to not support corporate medicine.
Eat mostly fresh fruits and vegges, sleep 8 hrs per night, exercise 1-2 hours per day and get plenty of sunshine, but avoid GETTING BURNED!
and take collodial silver if you get sick. Stay away from Doctors, unless you break something.
You're not supporting corporate medicine. This is just the first step. The final step will be your draft notice that you are now enlisted in goverment medicine. This bill is designed to fail. Following failure corporate greed will be blamed and the only option left will be to nationalize medicine. How unfortunate! It will go like this:
"You know, we tried that corporate free market thing and it didn't work. Then we tried a mix of limited government intervention, rules for fairness and cost controls. However, corporate insurance and pharmaceutical greed would not allow it to work. Now it's time to ensure fairness and equal access at prices everyone can afford. So, as of today, the United States government will now take over healthcare and provide it freely to all. It's the only way to ensure fairness and affordability." - Obama 2016.