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U.S. SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS CORE OF OBAMA HEALTH CARE
Here we go:
- OBAMA'S HEALTH-CARE OVERHAUL UPHELD BY U.S. SUPREME COURT
- 5-4 decisions, with Roberts joining the court's liberals.
- Court says federal government can’t threaten to withhold money from states that don’t fully comply on Medicaid extension
- CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS SAYS MANDATE IS NOT A VALID EXERCISE OF CONGRESS' POWER UNDER COMMERCE CLAUSE AND NECESSARY AND PROPER CLAUSE
- HEALTH LAW'S MEDICAID EXPANSION LIMITED BY U.S. SUPREME COURT -RTRS
- ROBERTS, JOINED BY TWO JUSTICES, SAYS MEDICAID EXPANSION VIOLATES CONSTITUTION -RTRS
- FOUR JUSTICES DISSENT, SAYING THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT GOES BEYOND -RTRSCONGRESSIONAL POWERS UNDER CONSTITUTION -RTRS
- ScotusBlog conclusion: So the mandate is constitutional
- The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read
- The ACA is upheld as a tax, not a penalty
The bottom line from the WSJ:
A quick overview of the ruling: A divided Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Obama administration’s health-care law, in one of the most anticipated high-court rulings in a generation. The court said Congress was acting within its powers under the Constitution when it required most Americans to carry health insurance or pay a penalty—the provision at the center of the two-year legal battle. It upheld the mandate as a tax, in an opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts.
The ruling is a victory for Democrats and President Barack Obama, who had passed the biggest reworking to the health system since the creation of Medicare in the 1960s and faced the prospect of the court nullifying their effort. It also averts disruption for hospitals, doctors and employers who have spent more than two years preparing for changes in the law.
Even as the law’s fate was in doubt, the administration moved ahead with implementing its provisions. It has been negotiating with states to set up exchanges where consumers can buy subsidized insurance policies and sign up millions of lower-income Americans for Medicaid. Some states, including Florida and Texas, refused to cooperate because they expected the law to be overturned.
For Mitt Romney, the high court\’s decision basically means he won\’t have to change his stump speech. Expected to speak later today, Mr. Romney is sure to promise to repeal the law if he\’s elected. It also means he\’ll face less pressure to offer specifics on what he\’d replace the law with — a positive for a campaign that tends to shy away from details.
And more from the WSJ's Brent Kendall
More from inside the court, from our Brent Kendall, who will be going through the ruling line by line: The court’s ruling is largely a victory for the Obama administration. The court’s 59-page opinion rejects the government’s primary argument that Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce gives lawmakers the authority to require citizens to buy insurance or pay a penalty. But the court goes on to uphold the insurance mandate on other grounds. “It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance,” Chief Justice Roberts writes. “Such legislation is within Congress’s power to tax.”
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You forgot to mention that he's gay. So "GAY FUCKING FUCKTARD TRAITOR" would be correct.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
One good thing about this is now all the boomers will die an early death as payment for voting for these traitorous bastards.
The only answer left is trials of the government by the people for treason and executions on the steps of the capital. Since treason can be proved without any doubt, trials are unesessary.
To knowingly usurp the constitution of America is a treasonous act. The only proper penalty is death.
Soylent Green
Welcome to socialism! In Europe, we've been having this crap for over half a century now. Too bad US joined the club.
yeah crap which has lead Europe to have the best standards of life in the world for the last several decades.
Gee not going bankrupt because your kids get a blood disease, my god, just think of how horrible that is. I mean according to you, if a kid or love one gets sick, bankruptcy is fine, fuck everyone and everything right?
Explain to us all how that has changed. Cost will still be the same, so what NOW will happpen is:
1) The gov't doesn't pay the providers for the treatement so the providers stop giving the treatment
2) Perhaps the gov't eats the cost of the treatment and we have the economic collapse at the mid of 2013 instead of 2014, but looking at other socialized medicine models, this doesn't happen. You will be denied.
3) You wait 6 months to a year to see an MD to treat the disease because most MD's will have quit and few are going into medicine any more anyways. Then a gov't bureaucrat will decide the disease is too advanced to justify paying for treatment so you can opt to pay out of pocket assuming the drug manufacturer is still making the drug that is no longer paid for.
YAY ?!?!
By the way, ask Greece how their standard of living is right now. I'd avoid asking the one's who are literally starving to death right now, I'd avoid asking the farmers who are giving away free food to keep people from dying, I'd avoid asking medical personnel because they've run out of medical supplies in virtually every hospital, and I'd avoid those who are losing power because power plants are not getting payments so power is being shut down. Rockin system you got there buddy.
You DO realize that the nation with the BEST standard of living is on par with our STATE with the LOWEST standard of living, don't you? You loves you some poverty and oppression, don't you?
my god you are an idiot. Everything you state is false.
this
You DO realize that the nation with the BEST standard of living is on par with our STATE with the LOWEST standard of living, don't you? You loves you some poverty and oppression, don't you?
has to be the stupidest statement of the year. Congrats on that.
second most stupid statement
The gov't doesn't pay the providers for the treatement so the providers stop giving the treatment
really so for all these years our seniors and vets havent gotten treatment? who knew.
your number 2 and 3 coments are too stupid to even comment on.
You may well be one of the most misinformed people I have ever encountered. Fox "news" watcher no doubt.
Yes, your summary opinion and judgement just made those facts magically disappear. How many grams of hopium did you snort before banging that out with your forehead?
By the way, I am the head of the cancer committee, memebr of numerous medical commitees, medical director, and so, but I know much less compared to you. After all, I never deal with this on a daily basis like you. I'm sure your assessment is much more accurate. After all, you called me stupid, so there, game over. I truly hope you get the full impact of Obamacare in 5 years after being diagnosed with cryptococcal meninigitis. I sincerely mean that.
really so for all these years our seniors and vets havent gotten treatment? who knew."
Damn you are dumb. Our seniors and vets often don't get treatment. Do you have any idea how many docs will not see Tricare/medicare/caid patients already because they can't cover the expense of seeing the patient?
I am going to break your world model a little more. I work in a part of the healthcare field and I can assure you that medical care in socialist Europe is directly and indirectly subsidized by the USA. Everyone who even thinks about developing a medicine, a new MRI machine or a way to do remote surgeries is thinking of the free-er market of the USA and how much narrower their profits...if any will be in various European countries. If Europe was the only market you'd have less than half the stuff you have now. Europeans are sort of medical welfare states.
I will also tell you that the private insurance system also indirectly subsidizes our current government system. A nursing home cannot make squat on the government plans but the private plans pay enough to get them some margin. It works the same in medical offices, hospitals and pharmaceuticals. You make your money in the free market and then can suffer the crappy reimbursements the government mandates by law.
You actually reflect the problem of collectivist societies, namely that everyone thinks they really know everyone else's business. We all think we know plenty about oil and energy delivery, car production and EPA rules, medicine and healthcare delivery, etc. You don't. They are all complex systems that should be left alone. The market will find the right prices, quantities and qualities of goods and services. Government warps them out of all recognition. There is a profound arrogance inherent in central planning.
You couldn't be farther from truth. I can tell you that neither me nor any of my children nor any of my friends and their children has been to state hospitals lately.
Everyone who can afford it pays cash to private doctors here ALTHOUGH we are all being forced to pay state healthcare insurance. The system is so corrupt and providing such a lousy service you don't want to experience.
But it is perfectly understandable. When you remove natural mechanisms of wealth distribution and competition and IMPOSE monopolies, taxes and insurances sooner than later you get corruption. In time the entire society is corrupt in one way or another (not because of public healthcare alone, but due to all such practices).
Oh my God, you're absolutely right. People no longer go bankrupt as a result of exorbitant medical bills in Europe. Why didn't I see that before?
Instead, entire fucking nations are going bankrupt. What an improvement!
Excellent! And they will in turn bankrupt large portions of their populations! They will wish they were only bankrupted for medical bills.
Out of curiosity, how many physicians in a free market healthcare system provide free or reduced cost service when necessary (and allowed) versus socialist doctors in a socialist system? Want to guess?
Hey Roberts! Who got to you?
No-one. Republicans have been socialists for at least the last decade, with those at the top being socialists since Reagan.
Nixon? Wage and price controls?
Interesting:
"The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."So the law is without teeth.
maybe (hoping against hope now it seems) this is the 'escape' hatch Roberts planted
Income tax is voluntary as well.
Except when they come to your house with guns...
Thousands of new IRS agents are being hired to implement this, so I guess you are on to something.
So were the Nazi's.
without teeth? are you kidding? ... if you don't pay tax, you go to jail. i call that 'teeth'
In the Netherlands we have this system and I pay €120 / month now and rising 10% per year (€240 since I have a wife too)... Besides that, you pay the first €350 of the bill out of your own pocket (€350/year)...
Good luck with that fellow planetarians ;-(
Beats having to pay $117,000 for an unexpected heart attack.
Fucktards.....
Well it's time to get to work. I have to learn the loopholes and how to play the system to my maximum advantage. Should be lots of good angles
Best possible outcome, now everyone who ever badmouthed the Act gets to be proven right rather than remain forever merely conjecturally right, like how all who knew what a flaming turdball the ObamAdmin would be and for the past 3 years have been consistently vindicated every day. #Winning.
proven right by what, seniors not having to pay out the ass for the meds? or how about the oung adults who are now allowed to stay on their parents policies a little longer, or the people with pre existing conditions whop are actually allowed to be covered by insurance.... yeah the horror... the horrror
4 idiots vote the remarks which are 100% correct down, anyone else care to embarrass themselves?
You're right. Everyone wins. Including the "commons."
Remind me - what is it we have a Supreme Court for, again?
To interpret the Corporation.
To give blowjobs to the president.
So every American needs to go out on a yearly basis and get health care which includes a health care ID but yet asking Americans to have an ID for voting or an ID if you are stopped by the police is an undue burden????
"The court said Congress was acting within its powers under the Constitution when it required most Americans to carry health insurance or pay a penalty—the provision at the center of the two-year legal battle."
I sure would like to know how they considered it "acting within its powers under the Constitution". Yes, I'm too lazy to read it. It'll just piss me off the way they spin the Constitution, anyway.
I'm an MD, and here's what I can say to those here. Good luck finding an MD in the future. Get a dual citizenship with Canada now because the wait to see an MDthere will be much shorter than what is coming to the USSA. As bad as anyone here thought Obamacare MIGHT be, it will be much, much MUCH worse. Few here truly understand the consequences of this decision as far as it impacts quality and delivery of health care, and this is one of the most educated reader populations I have encountered.
ROFL. You're provably full of it on all counts. Don't let the door hit you in the ass, on the way out, you greedy unproductive f**k. Maybe time to learn to live on just a hair less?
Which fine Caribbean institution did you study at? Ceighton? Turdlane?
Signed, another clinician
Hey Pulp, I asked you this once before and you never answered:
Do you plan to personally enforce your will upon others, or will you hire a politician to recruit someone else's kid to carry a gun and do it for you?
Admitting that you are just a big pussy behind a keyboard is as tough today as it was six years ago, so I don't expect anything new from you today.
I'd make you my bitch, mayo.
Can you please provide your professional medical credentials, name and employer?
So my family and I can completely avoid ever coming into contact with you.
By "clinician" I assume you mean radilogy courier. I truly and sincerely hope you get the full impact of Obamacare when you get diagnosed with Kaposi's and pneumocystis pnemumonia. Truly.
I work with alot of Doctors ..... you ain't seen nothing yet ....
these men & women make a lot of sacrifices and have become litigation pinatas. No one in their right mind can now advocate their son or daughter go into the medical profession ...even if you want to help others ..... but that is what the Left wants to do .. tell everyone what they must or must not do ... according to their enlightened elitest and most often corrupt purposes. See the fact that Chicago has been the largest segregated urban area in USA for decades with the resulting annual slaughter of African American innocents (children) .....but not one academic or 'news' organization can examine this fact (go read Mike Royko's classic, "Boss" if you doubt this assertion!) ..... just so one political party can suffocate the town/state.
I am a lawyer by background (among other more financially oriented credentials/licenses .... lots of tests and CE, etc.) ... thank you legal profession for smothering the economic energy of this country under 'policy' add-ons & enhancements. All my entrepenurial impulses are eliminated now ..... and I refuse to become a crony capitalist which is the only path forward now .....
wow, another delusional unemployed ass.
very gracious & classy of you to call me an 'ass".
By the way, I am a principal in four businesses ... I am the last 'to get paid' after everyone else. I take the risks , do the hard work, heavy lifting largely for the benefit of others ... I pay for everyone elses benefits before I can take care of my family.
Are you sure you really know what you are commenting on or are you some MoveOn.org Jim Jones kool-aid drinker 'useful idiot'?
Stop talking about yourself, we're not interested.
LOL. The AMA's in good shape; they have LAWYERS vouching for character.
I work with a lot of physicians, as well. When the teeth kick in many are going to retire. They don't want the required EMR systems, the paperwork, hassle, lower reimbursements, longer hours, unreimbursed work, etc.
I believe entrepreneurs of all sorts are going to reevaluate America as a preferred place to start or expand businesses.
if you are an MD, you must be a lousy one because you are a stone cold idiot.
Time will judge us all, and you will be the one to be found lacking. Keep the insults coming without any substantiation. It highlights the differences between you and I.
Typical liberal behavior: you disagree with me? You're an idiot!
People like you will destroy the US just like they destroyed Europe.
That is typical leftist rhetoric. If you disagree you are A) Idiot, B)Uncaring, C)Selfish, D)Unpatriotic, E)Subversive, F)All of the above.
Whatever you do, do NOT reason or engage in debate.
Oh please, I can get any number of MDs to blow me for a few bucks.
Yes, and we see the depth of the intellectual pool from those who support this bill as highlighted by the esteemeed midgettrannyporn. This thing represents the future of this nation people.
Say goodbye to private physicians. You will be under the care of corporate and government providers now. We all know how well that works.
http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/survey-doctors-small-practices/2012/06/27/id/443713
This is a sorrowful day.
Canada already has socialized medicine. Good luck Gringo.
System [M]D coming to a neighborhood near you.
My neighbor's cousin makes $24 per hour performing open heart surgeries on his kitchen table click on my name to see how.
Would you all please join me in a moment of silence for the Constitution of the United States of America.
Thank you. I'm going home from work sick. I really do feel sick. I think I'm gonna get drunk and pretend this day never happened.
at least if your sick, the insurance industry has to cover you and you can get well.
True. It will only cost three times as much with a six-times-longer wait.
Dick.
you are truly an idiot. Wait times will not be effected one bit, if anything ER wait times should go down tremendously as it will no longer be a default primary care giver.
Cost now will actually be more controlled, as will insurance profit taking.
It is truly spectacular to see how misinformed so many are here. Stop listen to some college drop out multiple divorced drug addict loser like Rush, pull yourself away from murdoch propganda.
Christ many here are just embarrassing.
No he is right, that's exactly what happens in Europe. I know because I experienced it.
Do you know anyone who lives in Canada? I do. You know what they do when they get sick? The ones who can afford it hop in the car and come down to the US for medical care. The ones who can't afford it wait and wait and get sicker and sicker. I guess I will have to throw myself on the mercy of my Canadian friends from now on...they will be hosting me in their homes instead of me hosting them.
I don't listen to Rush. I have never listened to Rush. I read all kinds of news sources, both left and right, and I formulate my own opinions. My opinion is that this law is a crock of shit that just wiped its ass on the Constitution on the United States of America. And my opinion is that you're not only a dick, but a small, withered, diseased dick.
There is a similar trend in England. The doctors work Mon-Fri for the gubmint, on Saturday they do elective cases for those who can pay out of pocket and don't want to wait. Market forces will insert themselves into any universal healthcare plan Congress can invent. It will quickly morph into a two tiered system separating the haves and have nots.
ha,as opposed to the way it is now, all equitable and shit...?
Life isn't equitable. Sorry. Deal with it, or... maybe if enough people concentrate really really hard on it, hold hands, think good thoughts and sing Kum-By-Ah in unison, we can pretend so hard collectively that it is equitable that Reality will reshape itself to meet our expectations.
Next week, we can focus on stamping out Bad Weather, Pimples, and Human Hubris. (Maybe not that last, as then this technique wouldn't work, would it?)
My friend the insurance industry just got a blank check so the costs will not go down.
Until the Death Panel mandates that you are too old to receive care. Or too irresponsible. Or maintain the wrong types of ideas. Or they don't have any money.
no such thing as death panels. Christ why would anyone listen to Sarah Palin. Death panels DONT EXIST.
all that exist is, if your loved ones are suffering or in dire straits a social worker will ask and explain living wills too you... gee the horror. Informing you about your rights.. my god how truly horrible.
Stop being STUPID
Death panels exist now. If your loved ones are in a gray area that the panel sees as a black area, it's lights out. I personally witnessed it when it was my parents turn. I'll believe my lying eyes.
And over time, as a matter of economics, the black area will only get bigger.
"a social worker will ask and explain living wills too [sic] you"
And that social worker is a government employee. And there will be a need for many more social workers because there will be many more people who are terminal due to the wait times. And the cost of health care will rise to cover the salaries and bennies of those new social workers...
I can tell from your grammar, spelling and punctuation that you are a product of our Government (Public) Schools.
The Constitution died a long time ago. It's been rotting for decades, but the funny part is, hardly anybody seems to mind the stink.
Or, maybe they just can't smell anymore.
To some it is the smell of roses.
Freaking! Excellent idea! Captain and coke for me after this post. I actually felt the same and could barely go to work. If I ever run into you, I will buy the first round, my friend.
Constitution is now officiallly dead. US citizens now officially serfs. RIP
TeaBaggers, you need to face facts: increasingly, no one buys your lies and half-truths. If you have a political opinion to express - great; but you have to deal with reality, not make up some bizarro world where Obama is a Kenyan, the US is a high-tax country, zero govt is a workable solution, etc..
Obama is a Kenyan, idiot!
You misspelled Keynesian
He may actually be an American, though born in Kenya. A new book explores his connection with the American communist Frank Davis and concludes Davis was his biological father. "Dreams of My Real Father." http://www.obamasrealfather.com/
"What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."
Your old friends at PruBear chat miss you.
PulpCutter - I'm a coffee drinker, and your bi-polar left/right view of politics is a juvenile delusion.
Neither side gives a shit about you or I or anyone else, they are in it for money and power despite what the left or right side of their mouth says.
Fuck off statist.
What is the lie or half truth that was exposed here?
so does this mean my taxes are going up directly or indirectly?
Depends.. Are you a maker or a moocher?
so you build your own roads, you build and maintain the infrastructure around you? You test food and water for safety? you police the street all by yourself? do you clean them too? You put out your own fires? How about fight your own wars?
You are so full of shit. We are in this together, if you dont get that, get the fuck out.
Uhm actually YES, my neighbors and I do exactly those things.
Got Militia bitchez?
did you and your imaginary rambo neighbor build and maintian the electricity running to your home, how about this internet we are using, you guys build that too?
All those services/products are private sector industries. In fact anything can be done by the private sector, and much better too.
BTW how's the post office going? Still not making profit huh?
Get a grip dewd! Al Gore built the internet!
"We are in this together"
LOL you are the typical cliché liberal, using the same meaningless sentences over and over. Completely clueless about economics too.
"so you build your own roads, you build and maintain the infrastructure around you? You test food and water for safety? you police the street all by yourself? do you clean them too? You put out your own fires? How about fight your own wars?" - crawldaddy
Yep. That's how it works out where I live.
What's really funny though is that you think the FDA is testing the food and water for your safety. Have some fluoride with your GMO high fructose corn syrup! Little sprinkle of Fukushima cesium-137 should top it all off nicely!
Do you realize how stupid you sound? Everything government does outside of war was invented in the private sector first. Did government invent doctors, their training, medicines, MRI machines, water test kits, fire engines, etc.? They don't even invent tanks, planes or rifles we use in war! Know why government could not close the oil well at the bottom of the gulf? Because they didn't know how! They did not know how to do Medicare and Medicaid except for the fact there was private insurance out there for them to copy and modify!
Even law enforcement and security can be private. We hire a sheriff to protect our lives and property as an efficiency to doing it ourselves. We make voluntary trades with our expertise and training. You do to medical school and take care of me and my family and I will grow corn and cattle to feed yours. Instead of trading beef for healthcare we trade money which represents our labor. It's a perfectly honorable system. I cannot force the doctor to treat me for free and he cannot force me to give him for food for free. However, out of compassion I might share my food if he needs it and he might share his medical knowledge if I am short on cash. Charity is also honorable and there is no coercion. In fact, there is real gratitude. Ever see a welfare recipient gush with gratitude to anyone or do they just demand more?
thank you Supreme Court ..... we are all Europeans now.
Yep, now when you have a survivable brain tumor if you have immediate surgery but have to wait six months and then it's too late.
Need knee construction? You're over 50, here's a cane
Etc etc
I'm not sure what you're on. I'm European, and a couple years ago a friend of mine had surgery to remove a brain tumor. It was done a couple weeks after it was diagnosed. People here pride themselves on being better informed than everyone else, but so many have been completely endocrinated by the propaganda about the European healthcare system.
Ya, Ya, Ya, I was stationed in Germany for 3 years and seen with my own eyes just how wonderful the healthcare system works. It didn't dumbass...
What is the incentive is there to keep you alive if you are not a productive member of society? It's cheaper to give you a "Good-bye Pill"... The Soylent Green type...
No surprise really. All these fuckers are bought and paid for.
I do not recognize any of these unconstitutional laws... they do not apply to me.
Fuck you Obama and your criminal gang of scumbags.
Now come and arrest me assholes.
Looks like the Tea Party ain't no match for Chicago. Too funny!
"We reward our friends and punish our enemies" -- the Chicago Way
meh, I'm glad they voted this way, yeah, I'm a sadist, but also, just another decision that will bring down this ponzi quicker.
If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and call on me I will hear from heaven and heal their land........ time to turn our pruning hooks into spears I think. We can help heal our land....
federal tax, state tax, local tax, corporate tax
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it was only a matter of time till they explicitly wield power over us all
Hey, at least the 800,000 illegal aliens that Obama gave amnesty to will now have health insurance. Now I won't have to wait so long at the ER! <extreme sarc>
Hilary finally got her dream, 1/7th of the US economy in the can. Anyway you cut it, Lib or Cons ends up in loss of freedoms as we wend our way to world govt and huge taxation.
Checkout Tenet Healthcare !
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/THC/tab/2
Does this really surprise anyone? Is it any worse than "Wickard Vs. Filburn"?
Both parties and the Supreme Court would like you to shut up and do as you are told or else.
So Justice Kagan can write the bill and judge on its constitutionality? Talk about having you cake and eating it too...
I guess since Obama is judge jury and exectutioner on who is and isnt a terrorist.
oh yea, its legal to be an illegal alien too... those flood gates are gonna be buried under a sea of immagrants now...
I don't see why it ever went to Court. If the Gov. can mandate Social Security and the State can mandate car insurance whats the difference. A waste of time that drama was. You can see it still not right because health care stock went UP (and before the announcement). Insurance is taking the beating they deserve the rip off motherfuckers.
Oh, jeez... another one, huh?
Okay, here we go again (for the millionth time) - the State can require you to own auto insurance if you don't own a car??? Think, think, think before you say stuff like that. The State cannot force you to purchase a car can they?
bite me, son, you are a moron.
You don't have to purchase health insurance if you commit suicide.. So, yes, buying health insurance is an option.
'I don't see why it ever went to Court. If the Gov. can mandate Social Security and the State can mandate car insurance whats the difference."
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. THEY ARE BOTH UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND PASSED THE CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER THROUGH A BOUGHT AND PAID FOR SUPREME COURT.
JEFFERSON IS ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE.
REAGAN JUST HAD AN ANUERISM
Good.
so happy I closed my business in 2009, this country just went to hell and is not comming back!
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
Am I correct by saying since it is a tax and the Congress has the power tax that the congress can kill it? since it's a tax and not an entitlement they have the ability to take it off the books
Congress will not, I repeat will not repeal, circumvent, abolish, neuter Obamcare.
It is a delusion to think they will. I am sorry.
Looks like Intrade was Corzined, the odds of repeal were at 70pct. I guess the betters didn't have insider info on this one ! The bribes must have been kept secret (for now)
Intrade has never been accurate. It has been a joke for a while. If you watch it during the elections it's always wrong.
illegals can come over at will but the gov can tax you for not carrying health insurance. Thanks SUpremes. But both parties nominated these asses, so spare me the rep vs dem debate. If not paying it is not a "penalty" but a tax. So does that mean if you don't pay your tax, you still can get "penalized" and go to jail? The IRS doesn't fuck around you know....
But look on the bright side. The more of these insane policies that are put into place, the faster our present system collapses and we can begin anew. Although there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth until then.
Romney was betting big on a SCOTUS shootdown. He's screwed. The baby is gonna live....and he's the grandfather. Obama by 4 in Nov. Too Funny!
Bullish pitchforks.
Bullish pitchforks.
I know people don't want to hear is but the law is constitutional, the oral arguments did not focus in on the issue. The oral arguments did not focus in that they are just adding a tax on top of the existing tax code. Only those subject to the IRC are subject to the provision. Now, the assumption is everyone is subject to the IRC but this is false, the US Treasury does not issue determinations as to your taxable status which a hearing can be provide pursusant to the APA.
There is only a mandate for the people subject to the code. The US treasury does not provide any determination of your status.
Sec. 7852. Other applicable rules
(a) Separability clause If any provision of this title, or the application thereof to any person or circumstances, is held invalid, the remainder of the title, and the application of such provision to other persons or circumstances, shall not be affected thereby.
Landotfree?
Bullshit, Troll.
There is no bullshit about it. I won't see me with healthcare.
"I am not surprised but what a blow to the head. My nose is bleeding and tears are running down my face"...said freedom
Go long on Dominica passports - only $125k today
In terms of the elaction, the Left has one less thing to be fired up about and the Right (or more accurately, the Less Left) has one more thing to be fired up about.
But Romney the comney offers no alternative.
Benny gonna need many more choppers to cover this tab!!
I hope all you socialist fucks choke on this.
you really arent very bright are you?
Well I suppose that if not counting on somebody else to pay for my way makes me not very bright then I guess you are right. But I prefer that socialists like you stay out of my back pocket.
Fucktard, I pay my fair share of taxes and then some, I just dont cry about it like a little child. I dont mind helping out my fellow citizen. See I am not a greedy little dick.
I'm sure it makes you feel all good inside "helping out a fellow citizen" with other people's money. I am currently in need of a way to pay my mortgage since my health premiums have doubled over the past three years. Care to help a fellow citizen out?
Like if you rang Obama's doorbell and he'd give you a meal and a place to sleep?
Fantastic crawldaddy. If you are really serious then raise your taxes aoubt 40% to cover your part of the deficit and about another 10% to pay for this crap. All you socialist types are liars and pessimists. That's why Kerry docked his yatch in a lower tax state. Gore donates nothing to charity and I have yet to meet a liberal who overpays his taxes. You want everyone else to pay first. When I believe in something whether its fresh water in Africa or the Salvation Army in America I don't call everyone else a "greedy little dick" for not paying up. You cannot intellectually distinguish between charity and forced government redistribution of wealth...even with all the attendant voracious, coercive, wasteful aspects of government plans.
I hope the next time someone robs you, you not only give them your TV but your car, too so you are not being a "greedy little dick" as they redistribute your wealth. Remember, the guy robbing you probably has less than you. Of course, he could get the government to do the same thing for him.
I don't mind helping people either.. but when you FORCE me to subsidize others welfare.. then we have a big fucking problem.
I stand with Doc !
why are bonds going up? surely this is big time negative for the credit of the USA. It's a tax now right? Welcome to social welfare Europe it's a beautiful place. USA may be the slowest falling rock...but it just picked up pace
Umm they just implamented the biggest tax in human history, don't you think the US dollar is secure?
you have no idea what you are talking about.
Look who's talking.
Thank you, i didn;t even realize it's the same idiot i got into with on this post
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/obamas-health-care-overhaul-upheld-us-supr...
It's because you would expect a negative effect on the economy from higher taxes not to mention thousands of pages of new regs. Remember, the bureaucrats are still writing the attendant rules and procedures for the 2000 pages that the Imperial Congress wrote.
How long until Texas and AZ do a "soft close" on their borders? (borders with other 'united' states that is)
And where do I apply for my visa to get in!!