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U.S. SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS CORE OF OBAMA HEALTH CARE
Here we go:
- OBAMA'S HEALTH-CARE OVERHAUL UPHELD BY U.S. SUPREME COURT
- 5-4 decisions, with Roberts joining the court's liberals.
- Court says federal government can’t threaten to withhold money from states that don’t fully comply on Medicaid extension
- CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS SAYS MANDATE IS NOT A VALID EXERCISE OF CONGRESS' POWER UNDER COMMERCE CLAUSE AND NECESSARY AND PROPER CLAUSE
- HEALTH LAW'S MEDICAID EXPANSION LIMITED BY U.S. SUPREME COURT -RTRS
- ROBERTS, JOINED BY TWO JUSTICES, SAYS MEDICAID EXPANSION VIOLATES CONSTITUTION -RTRS
- FOUR JUSTICES DISSENT, SAYING THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT GOES BEYOND -RTRSCONGRESSIONAL POWERS UNDER CONSTITUTION -RTRS
- ScotusBlog conclusion: So the mandate is constitutional
- The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read
- The ACA is upheld as a tax, not a penalty
The bottom line from the WSJ:
A quick overview of the ruling: A divided Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Obama administration’s health-care law, in one of the most anticipated high-court rulings in a generation. The court said Congress was acting within its powers under the Constitution when it required most Americans to carry health insurance or pay a penalty—the provision at the center of the two-year legal battle. It upheld the mandate as a tax, in an opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts.
The ruling is a victory for Democrats and President Barack Obama, who had passed the biggest reworking to the health system since the creation of Medicare in the 1960s and faced the prospect of the court nullifying their effort. It also averts disruption for hospitals, doctors and employers who have spent more than two years preparing for changes in the law.
Even as the law’s fate was in doubt, the administration moved ahead with implementing its provisions. It has been negotiating with states to set up exchanges where consumers can buy subsidized insurance policies and sign up millions of lower-income Americans for Medicaid. Some states, including Florida and Texas, refused to cooperate because they expected the law to be overturned.
For Mitt Romney, the high court\’s decision basically means he won\’t have to change his stump speech. Expected to speak later today, Mr. Romney is sure to promise to repeal the law if he\’s elected. It also means he\’ll face less pressure to offer specifics on what he\’d replace the law with — a positive for a campaign that tends to shy away from details.
And more from the WSJ's Brent Kendall
More from inside the court, from our Brent Kendall, who will be going through the ruling line by line: The court’s ruling is largely a victory for the Obama administration. The court’s 59-page opinion rejects the government’s primary argument that Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce gives lawmakers the authority to require citizens to buy insurance or pay a penalty. But the court goes on to uphold the insurance mandate on other grounds. “It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance,” Chief Justice Roberts writes. “Such legislation is within Congress’s power to tax.”
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Missouri will be right there with 'em. We'll tag on Arkansas just to help connect the dots together and form a new union. MO passed legislation preventing the citizens from being penalized for not participating in the program. If we can do it so can other states. This fight isn't over.
Texas legislature doesn't have the balls to lead.
Sad day for individual freedom. Thank you ZHedge for doing such a good job on this issue.
How much is the penalty for not having health insurance?
healthcare cos are a whipping boy of poliTICKS. They make 2% profit. What the system needs is TORT Reform!!! Damn lawyers and greedy people.
Maybe this was the Supreme Court's method of getting Romney 40 million more votes.
Some GOOd News though from decision - At least the market is finally tanking! down to your knees bitchez!
Unbelievable. SCOTUS has just published a ruling that establishes a precedent for the federal government to require any conceivable legal commercial behavior of US citizens and impose a financial penalty for non-performance.
SCOTUS has also effectively neutered the commerce clause by allowing the government to evade it with semantics.
SMH.
"Today’s ruling underscores the urgency of repealing this harmful law in its entirety"
http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-statement-supreme-c...
Utter disbelief at the SCOTUS decision on obamacare - it should have been thrown straight to the trash bin, where it belongs. Insurance mandates per Roberts, one of the justices, stated in his brief that he saw it as a tax, because of the tax provision. Let that sink in, a tax folks - which means the government now has legal precedent to set mandates (now upheld by a supreme court decision as taxes (S and C not capitalized for good reason)) and force you to buy things you don't want or need, or be taxed. That's right, don't buy insurance - you WILL BE TAXED for not having what the government mandates you must have, for whatever reasons are your own, from financial reasons to religious reasons, first its forcing you to buy health insurance or be taxed, next it's mandating you to buy a standard issue Government Motors (GM) Volt or insurance on your #### (just replace #### with ***whatever*** someone from DC decides you must have). [and FWIW - everyone needs affordable access to healthcare, myself and my family included - but this plan was not a plan at all - now private insurance companies now will have forced customers - meaning rising prices - how long till CONgress is just shocked, shocked I tell you at the stratospheric rises in health care insurance rates and calls in health insurance companies to explain)
<----- close your business on this decision
<----- keep your business open based on thsi decision
If your business is under 50 peeps then for you nothing happened.
Is that like they will lower my taxes?
got it... open 80 companies with less the 50 employees each
ow, you are so clever. Better luck next time.
If you have over fifty and manufacture you just bought your Rosetta Stone Chinese course and began looking for a new plant.
good close your business, who gives a fuck, the demand for said product or service will be happily picked up by a competitor.
Lawyers are the cancer that eats away at freedom and the excellence of people!
if the decision rests on interpreting the punitive aspects as a tax, then congress has the right to allow lobbyists and banksters to do this... how could we not have known...? the future looks brighter already...
and everything bush, prez0, gonzales and holder have done is perfectly legal, too... btw...
moving to the FED, morgue and squid~~no problems there...
and anyone using constitutional US mint-procued coinage will be taxed to silliness itself
here endeth today's lesson in moral serpentine
What the fuck. How many taxes do you pay to private, for-profit corporations? How can a mandatory payment to a for-profit corporation be a tax? Taxes are paid to governments.
you are too smart for this court
would you like food stamps?
someone from the 'ministry of truth' will be arriving at your house soon to help you understand
Obamacare: bend over, this may feel a little unpleasant....
As a recently Naturalized American Citizen I'm disgusted.
As a small business owner I'm fucked.
I'm going to the range and then the gym.
Take a look around you. What has gov't NOT fucked up? What makes you think this will be any different?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYUGXuTNsic&feature=related
"What has gov't NOT fucked up?"
CMS administers Medicare for something like 40% what it costs the private insurers to do so. In fact, Medicare takes care of the sickest, most expensive to treat Americans, for 5.8% of payrolls, in a country that spends 18%+ of GDP on healthcare. If that's not good performance in your view, please say what you think is?
<crickets>
Haha, only true if you don't know how medical care really functions. The private system subsidizes Medicare and Medicaid. Put simply, because doctors, hospitals, long term care and pharmaceuticals can make enough off private insurance they can afford to take the crappy reimbursements the government offers(include Europe and Canada, BTW). However, once there is no large private system or it gets too expensive, those subsidies will stop. Then the true cost of healthcare will come at the State like a freaking tsunami.
See the ocean moving away from the shore? You had your warning.
Amy Howe:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
I'm pretty damn sure that since it's under the power to tax and NOT the commerce clause that at any given time the damn House of Represenatives can vote to repeal the damn tax. Ron Paul you still want the POTUS, write the bill now 1 page, repeal the tax of ACA, done!
As a Canadian, allow me to give some perspective on all the hub-bub. Our single payer health care system, as maligned as it is, has provided great care for both my father, mother and brother. In the last 6 years one died from injuries in an accident, one has had a stroke, one died of a brain tumor. In total, the three had dozens of trips to the hospital and to doctors/specialists, were in full time care for what amounted to about 3 months between them. Parents and brother were self employed, upper middle class and none had private/supplemental insurance. The total cost to our family for all of this care, $350/year/person, and that was only because we live in Alberta, which had health care premiums until a few years ago, no premiums any more. My mother has been able to retain her wealth and still lives comfortably on her own after a stroke, my brother's kids were still left with a reasonable amount of an inheritance, even though their father died at 54.
Trash single payer all you want, but my cousin had the misfortune to have his son suffer serious injuries in a car accident, while visiting US, in spite of having travel insurance, it pretty much wiped their family out financially. The care received in the states was marginally better than the care in Canada, but cost about 3 times as much. The US system feeds on misery and misfortune to profit a very few, at the expense of all. Keep fighting to protect the blood sucking insurance industry, morons.
This isn't Canada, it's America, one of our State's motto is "Live Free or Die", get out.
You forgot
"NOW"
Janet Reno had that changed to "Live Free and Die".
You are comparing Apples and Oranges mate. I'm for a Canadian style single payer system.
Obama care mandates that I pay for an overpriced and bloated insurance product. Not happy about that in the least. This is NOT the Canadian system.
The Republic is over as far as I'm concerned.
At least I can move back to Canada. I do miss Hockey Night in Canada.
I agree, Fubar, but ACA was the best Obama was going to get in the current political climate.
well.....bye
Single payer is not an option in America. You are right on about the "overpriced" but our Congress is paid off to keep it that way so we get this cobbled up system.
Our insurance companies are deeply involved in this--they will find a way to make sure you pay for the insurance and you get ruined financially. This is fascism not socialism.
Pushed on us by communist
Let me know when I can tell the difference.
I agree with you on this execpt for one thing... this should have passed 20 years ago, when US was not insolvent. The world is on the verge of a financial collapse and this ``tax`` makes no sense from the timing.
But hey, the Key(ns)ian President is a socialist and he doesn`t really have to worry about who pays.
You know everytime I hear oh I'm so thankful there was a safety net to prevent me from being a complete victim, I remind myself that under human history there has never been greater prosperity of human life, a higher standard of living, or greater possibility than under freedom. And hearing comments from people who truely don't know what it means to create, protect, persevere I remember why I'm proud to say if you don't like Americans because you're to weak to succeed so damn well be it.
so canada is not free? who knew.
Dude, you watched one to many rambo movies if you think freedom means going it alone. Its about community, its about watching out for each other, its what being a good neighbor is all about. Most americans still get this, its sad you dont.
What the hell are you talking about? Most American's get this?
What the hell? Ever heard of individualism?
Individualism is a fucking myth
Did you build the roads you drive on, lay the brick for the school you went to, teach yourself math, kill and butcher the animals that lay on your table, grow your own vegtables, churn your own butter, fight in WW1 and WW2 and all the wars since, provide police and fire services to yourself, invent anitbotics, immunize yourself, preform your own surgery, build your car, your house, make your fridge, stove, wash your own cloths in the stream, dig your own water wells, refine your own oil.
FFS there is no such thing is individulism.
The succes an individual enjoys, is ALWAYS the product of a collective.
hey lizzy, you swim against the rabid tide! I'm on your side!
what is this, an informed comment from an informed person. My god what a welcome site. Thanks
Don't bother presenting facts, Abrick. American TeaBaggers make up their own.
If you think Canada and the US are the same thing, go to the top of the Renaissance (sic) tower in Detroit. Have a look at Detroit, then turn around and look at Windsor Ontario.
"The total cost to our family for all of this care, $350/year/person"
Oh? I'm German, my premium (employee+employer parts) is roughly 720€ (currently ~900$).
Per month.
Germany has a universal multi-payer health care system with two main types of health insurance: "Law-enforced health insurance" (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) known as sickness funds and "Private" (Private Krankenversicherung
I could leave the law-enforced insurance and join a private health insurance instead. Which woould soon be even more expensive, thanks to my age.
But by law, since some years one can't be w/o one or the other form of health insurance.
Germanys problems are not our problems. How about you worry about the Greeks...
Any jackass can cite anecdotal successes for any government program, if one narrows the scope enough. Nothing is 100% bad. Hell, the Nazis did a terrific job setting up the Autobahn system, a lot of people benefited from that.
Until, of course, they stopped benefiting in a most profound way.
"Keep fighting to protect the blood sucking insurance industry, morons. "
Let me explain something to you. Anything the government pays for, anything, drives up the price and reduces the quality. If you want examples, just look at education.
If we had proposed a rational national insurance and paid the true taxes necessary to fund it then I might meet you half way, hold my nose and suffer the system. We did not do that.
I will also tell you that you Canadians are free riders on the USA, even though you don't know it. No one develops drugs, MRI machines or advanced surgery techniques for Canada or any other single payer system. Virtually everyone develops them for the USA and figures out if they can suffer the low or no margins of socialist countries like yours. If you have a medication and do not give Canada the price they demand they can seize your patents and give it to another company to produce at the price they like. No property rights there!
So, all the stuff you like actually comes indirectly through the good ole yanks to your south. You get it cheaper because of us!
A simple "Thank you!" will do for me.
You are welcome.
The Supreme Court has just upheld -
"Obama's Free Stash Care!"
At every intersection there will be a barrel to deposit your wallet to fund Obama's "Free Stash Care!"
Give often.............
Obama's Stash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ojd13kZlCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z88U915uq8
Where we are at today as a functional society is the equivalent of :50 in the above clip. The accelerator has been pressed and we are headed over the edge.
Most people here know what's coming. Use today as a motivator to further prepare yourselves and those you care about. The clock is now ticking.
"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
Marbury v. Madison 1897
Marbury v. Madison presumed that only the Supreme Court could determine if a law was repugnant to the Constitution.
In fact, the people can also make that determination. It's called Jury Nullification.
The comments are hilarious taken as a whole.
The measure of American disconnect from human social norms consists in the fact that by the 1940s almost ALL developed nations on the planet had enacted universal healthcare for their citizenry.
Healthcare is taken for granted as a human social right on planet Earth.
One comment above said "see you offshore". Really? One wonders where is that poster going? Larry Ellison's Hawaiian island maybe?
Maybe there "your health is your problem" will prevail just as the tea party would have it.
LOL
Read the Bill of Rights. One thing all those individual liberties have in common is that the excercise of those rights does not diminish another individual's ability to excercise his/her rights. I.e. just because I excercise my right of free speech doesn't affect your ability to do so either.
Health care is a scarce resource. The more health care others consume, the less is available to me. I fail to see why anyone should have a right to consume the finite product of others' labor.
Health is not a scarce resource. Decent health care is a scarce resource. Decent health care is not too easy to find in America. Most people that are unable to pay for their health care do not get decent health care, with the exception of some that are on welfare programs such that the government pays the health care providers. Private health insurance, with very few exceptions, does not pay the health care providers in full. The providers must write off a major portion of the bill.
"... a human social right".
Define please? I signed a contract agreeing to these terms ... when?
News for ya. "Rights" and "morals" are terms utilized by those in power. Those in power are in fact almost always a minority, not the masses at large. I strongly suspect you will splat against this misapprehension at some point in your very near future, when you come to realize that any and all "progressive" acts are in fact simply bricks being laid in a wall of totalitarianism. May you fully embrace your support of the world you build.
Gains in your standard of living that come as a result of increased government power are not gains when you consider *all* of the costs.
Hey you fucking idiot, just because "everyone does it" doesn't make it right.
This country was founded by people who came from all over the world because just about every other country's government did fucked up things.
Well, congratulations, your solution is to make this country just as fucked up as the places where our ancestors came from.
Douchebag.
Well said. It is interesting, too. If you talk to thoughtful people from other countries they often see more clearly what is happening that we do.
The measure of American disconnect from human social norms consists in the fact that by the 1940s almost ALL developed nations on the planet had enacted universal healthcare for their citizenry.
Ok, do universal healthcare in America then, one payer, the government, just like everyone else does, not this corporate fascist system of forcing people to buy overpriced insurance from a list of "approved" private companies.
This is the worst possible way to implement universal healthcare. Highly expensive for individuals, enormously profitable for that list of "approved" insurance companies, who will limit benefits every way possible to keep that enormous profit margin.
This isn't universal healthcare. It's a big fat windfall for a handfull of greedy insurance companies.
On top of that it violates everything the constitution stands for, giving unlimited power to the government to tax non-conformity to any crazy thing they come up with.
You're not an American, you're fucking communist, supporting unlimited government power to fuck with people's lives.
It is the Conservative dissent that will outlive the Liberal vote, floated into majority by Roberts, and lay the basis for revolt.
In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."
you dont understand precedent do you? This has just become settled law.
and lay the basis for revolt.
Sorry, not gonna happen.
Yes I agree this ruling trashes what's left of the constitution, but no, there won't be any revolution.
Everybody will just knuckle under and pay it, put up with it, like they've done every time before when something this tyrannical happens.
The support for Obama’s healthcare by John Roberts completely destroys the argument that a candidate like Romney needs to be elected to make “conservative” appointments to the Supreme Court.
The two-party system is now shown to be a single entity supporting the banker tyrant control of America and its use of a socialist welfare state to break down opposition by a European white Christian middle class.
The combination of the healthcare and Arizona Supreme Court decisions, both supported by socialist wolf-in-sheep’s clothing John Roberts (talks one way votes another), effectively breaks down America’s borders to allow a substantial increase in Third World illegal immigration arriving to receive free healthcare and overwhelm the puny voting patterns that have laughingly been described as essential to representative government.
The opposition to the loss of America to the socialist-welfare state is leaderless. If Romney does not now take a powerfully strong stand against not only the healthcare legislation but also against the Arizona decision (which so far has been only to pick up a few Hispanic votes from Obama’s giant storehouse), how could he possibly lead any opposition and how could he possibly hope to win the key states in November?
It’s no longer a question of delay; this decision puts it right in front of the American people: Are you going to have a tyrannical welfare state or are you going to fight this back?
Obama is hard and fast Left and Romney is soft and slow Left. Are you saying this is not a choice?
Right! I’m saying Romney is toast if he doesn’t now turn to the strength of the conservative base. And I don’t mean support for Israel. I mean a powerful statement on securing the borders and securing a country for America’s children and a position elevating the healthcare bill’s repeal as a do-or-die November issue.
Now we know, it will be deflation. Taxmaggedon is coming to America. 2008 was the warmup, 2012 is the followup. 2012 is Wave 3 bitchez!
They will learn to the horror that Taxing those who are on Snap is zero.
Slack Action runs forwards sometimes too and when it does it's a bitch.
The Tyrants are smiling and their statist boot lickers are ejaculating in their pants. The power the power OH the power to compel the mupptets to their desires.
and to this I say:
Fuck You! I am a sovereign human being with Inalienable Rights that cannot be taken away by a group of fools wearing robes.
Amen, brother. I read ZH for comments like yours. It is the only mildly bright spot on seriously dark day. I can hardly work I am so friggin depressed.
We began to lose the war when schools stopped teaching any history of liberty and any concepts such as that you espouse.
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how about if they're wearing fatigues and come with killing machines, like they do in other "sovereign" nationstates? who gets to be "sovereign human beings" and who doesn't?
wake up and smell the global fascism, courtesy of your host. some other people were ahead of you in the queue, but your turn is coming soon. . .
So when do we see, " The End of the Middle Class, Part 4"?
Great diversion for the sheeple. Time for the FED to bailout the EZ.
Funny thread, I didn't know how many fans the chief justices have :)
Marbury v. Madison FTMFW
SCOTUS, you RAT FUCK SCUMBAG TRAITORS
Repeal the 16th ammendment
The 16th Amendment was never legally ratified.
http://libertyforlife.com/constitution/us-16th-failed-ratification.htm
Sickcare stocks up by 3%-7%, all you need to know.
Bullish for corporate sickcare, bearish for the individual.
What Bullshit. Obama argued this was legal under the commerce clause because he knew he couldn't get a tax passed, so he created this clever "fine if you don't have it" structure. So the court says it is a tax and, therefore, ok, but it wouldn't have flown under the commerce clause? CONGRESS WOULDN'T HAVE PASSED A TAX!!!
The goverment and courts are wrong on this. All insurance should be is for catastrophic coverage. You don't want people losing everything they have if something bad happens to them. That coverage would be very inexpensive and could be written on one page instead of 2700. You need to go to the doctor because you have a cough and waste his time? Pay out of pocket.
And so we write another chapter of Atlas Shrugged...
Fat people wil get a fast-tracked pre-end-of-life interview. A doctor told me there is a strange clause in the Act that would disallow treatment for any condition directly relating to smoking. Anybody see that?
Here comes the BMI tax
...And in a cashless society (which they're clearly moving toward), they'll be able to track EVERYTHING you buy, or even deny specific items based on what they think is "best" for you. This country is TOAST. I'm going to brush up on my Spanish.
This drop in equities is nothing to worry about. A law will soon be passed mandating that everyone buy the indexes. You are free to refuse the mandate but then you will be taxed and the tax money will buy the indexes. This is the way to prosperity! Forward!
Nice. The future summed up in a few sentences.
If they can mandate that we buy something why can't they mandate that we sell something?
It's another nail in the coffin of the the concept of private property--you don't really own something that can be taxed away. When the limits on taxation go away, so does that last vestige of private property.
Yes if they can make you buy then I suppose they can make you sell.
Sir you have two perfectly functioning kidneys. For the sake of the collective you must sell one of your kidneys to us at our market price to install on another comrade. US citizenism is a good think, no?
Yessss! You got it! Read my other posts. My favorite would be labor camps as a labor tax. Bring back a CCC, only make it mandatory.
Long Freedom!
Americans who disagree with the ruling should put their money where their mouth is, refuse to buy health insurance and pay the penalty tax instead. And if they get sick, they should put all medical costs out of their pocket with no insurance company involved. Good luck to them!
What is that, a threat? Fuck you.
wow. Just so obtuse it is hard to know where to start. You do realize that before insurance everyone could afford health care, right? Some would pay in chickens, eggs or whatever. Insurance gets involved and prices skyrocket. Quality may or may not have been effected. I would say that without the insurance money, investment money, we would not have the resources to research new drugss, which is more responsible for our improved longevity than anything else.
When the government gets involved, layers upon layers of bureacracy are inevitable and someone has to pay for it. So, everyone will lose.
now, just out of curiosity, all that quality healthcare in Canada etc. From where did those doctors get their education, the original knowledge, and from where do they get their drugs?
Do not be so blind.
"You do realize that before insurance everyone could afford health care, right?"
Hard to believe anyone could post a statement this fucking stupid, yet there it is on my screen...
Actually, Koos you must not associate with many physicians. Healthcare was affordable by all. Once insurance and government got involved the price went up dramatically but the innovation to get a piece of the action went up, as well. Now, prices reflect the amounts large insurance pools can pay rather than individuals.
The government is the sole buyer of advanced military weapons. How do you like the prices of those? The lower end handguns are bought by the populace. Notice the difference in prices? Healthcare will be the same.
Youo sir are blinded to the possibilities that could exist without insurance. Costs could be an order of magnitude smaller. Insurance has resulted such radical increases in prices that it is no longer realilstic to pay for health care out of pocket. The consequences of the current system have created the inability for the individual to afford health care without insurance, thus requiring more government intervention. That is the reality of more government, it leads to the need for even more government to fix the problems it has created. This is a lesson we are all going to learn when the current system craswhes and burns in an epic economic meltdown because things like this health care law make more and more of life unafordable to the everyday person.
Hey fuck you buddy, I don't know if you know American history or not but we through the damn king's tea in the freaking harbor over a damn penny.
The ACA can be repealed, but the commies have accomplished their goal of taking yet another chip out of our freedom with the precedent now set that the govt can force (mandate, tax, penalty, IRS enforcement - who cares what you call it) you to buy a product. Forget the circus show, this precedent was the goal. Now, everything is fair game for the govt to shove down our throats "for our own good".
We are watching the country crumble at our feet.
FUCK OFF; WE EUROPEANS DO KNOW BETTER!!
You Europeans are broke-ass motherfuckers.
Get this through your thick skull; the US is NOT Europe! O'bastard is a commie cuntasaurus, and he deserves to rot in hell - fuckin liar.
Now I am on the Romney bandwagon, as at least that muppet has promised to repeal ObamaNoCare....and he'd better.
I know of companies that will now CLOSE due to this shite law.
The Supreme Court sucks dead donkey dicks over this one.....fuckers.
Atlas Shrugged all over again.
I'm European and I disagee: we do NOT know better, and we're about to find out ...
Fuck you thooo
Tyranny is here! Welcome to Amerika!
Render unto caesar what is ...... ERR on second thought Fuck Caesar!
Yes, I am covered you piece of SHITS!
Do you now see, will this finally open your eyes to the realization that the USA no longer exists? How more blatant an act will it take for so many amongst us to come to the conclusion that our once great country is dead. It did not die today, today was only the stench after the corpse has been rotting for decades. We've all sat back and accepted what we knew in our hearts was destructive and would eventually destroy us. Be it non ending taxation, regulation, double standards for TPTB and the little people, political correctness, illegal immigration etc. We all new a certain segment of our population was trying to destroy us and we went without a fight. Remember how proud you used to be proclaiming you were an American? For those of us that served in the armed forces that was the overriding factor, being proud of your country and willing to protect it at all costs, not the money not the free health care. How many of us are proud of our country today? It is time to wake from our long slumber, our country has left us we did not leave it. It is time to act accordingly.
Very well said.
Go for it, Pig Brotha. Truth seeking and truth broadcasting will expose the Collectivist Newspeak, and if that’s not enough… well…
it's not health "care",....it's health "coverage". that's the rub that so many jack-holes don't seem to understand. you have "coverage",....but there's few doc's that will see you,...and the level of care rots.
but you have "coverage"....wooo hooo!!!!
This a political act, both overt and subtle. More divide, conquer and more importantly, subjugate. But under no circumstances should anyone think for a moment that this is about "healthcare".
Anyone who buys sell or trades this market is now my enemy, equally with the U.S. Government.
Wait are you saying you hate the free market system at the same time you're saying you love the free market so much that you're that disgusted by the decision. Sorry sir, I love the free market, and I don't suffer from stockholm syndrome
News flash you whore, you just became a whore by this rule.
Hey i know this might be hard for some people to understand but let me give you a newsflash:
CRONY CAPTIALISM IS NOT CAPITALISM. IT'S SOCIALISM WEARING A "I LOVE CAPITIALISM" TEE-SHIRT
Socialists love capitalism the way a rancher loves his beef cattle.
Death and Taxes. Death, life's sweet sweet relief. Taxes, Life's enslavement to the government.
It was pretty clear from the AZ Immigration law decision when the same moderate Progressives on the SCOTUS threw out the Constitution to make that decision we'd get the same on this decision. As Scalia pointed out in that one, the states would have never signed up to the Constitution without their own soveriegnty. Soro's court packing agenda at every level has worked. He has bought the MSM, and has the Secretary of State paccking program also since they count the votes as Stalin noted that what really matters.
It is the beginning of the end, no limit to Federal power as the last few decisions on warrantless searches, open borders, and unlimited federal taxing power have shown. We maybe have one last chance, but I don't think so Mitt ain't the guy just another Progressive.
Soon the government will not have a penny to enforce just about nothing. Goons aren't cheap!
Lunacy reigns in our Government
If you think health care is expensive now, then just wait until its 'free'.
Do svidaniya, American freedom.
Fuck YOU Supreme Court! Fucking bastards and that shriveled up bitch Ruth Douchebag Goosedick.
John Roberts is officially a cunt.
That cements my moving out of this country. America is so fucked over.
Oh, and FUCK YOU Barry O'dickwad!
Does this mean that the Government can force me to buy a Chevy Volt? And if I don't buy it, then they can tax me for not buying a Volt to "promote the general welfare"???
Those 450 million rounds of DHS HOLLOW POINT .40 cal will help insure that those on the receiving end do not become a burden to the healthcare system.
How unbelievably fucking helpful of SCOTUS:
Well, no you can't get away with making it a penalty under this method.......but here is how you CAN get away with it, and just to make sure we fulfill our role as slime-slurping oligarchical robed-viziers, we will preemptively give you permission to get away with it as such.
This is pure, naked, unabashed, blatant, in-your-fucking-face TYRANNY. I'm totally going to write my congressman and vehemently protest this...................oh, fuck never mind.
HANG THEM ALL.
Truly, we are in dire need of outright revolution, 1775 Lexington-Concord style.
Fuck you SCOTUS. Fuck you fucking fuckatronic fucktardial fuckers.
What a retarded logic from Roberts, YOU CANT MAKE THIS UP : so basically the govt tells you to do something, you refuse, they tax you anyway. WTF !!!!
Exactly Zola.....fucking Supreme Cunts are traitors.....every last one of them that voted for this POS fucked up "care" law.
Obummer is thrilled. Now for that free house for everyone and that 3000.00 thingamajiggers.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most people who receive their $3000 for thingamajigs will use it to pay the penalty for not buying insurance.
Regardless of whether Comrade Obummer gets re-elected, he's now accomplished many of the destructive and damaging goals he and his facist pals set out to do and unwinding what's been placed on us will be almost impossible. You can keep playing your losing hand for awhile, but the cards have all been dealt.
BTFD on gold and silver.
USSA is well beyond fiscal salvation.
Damn.
Aright. Now is the time for good Patriots to gather among what is left of our Country.
I had hopes of this thing being overturned and now confront the sheer horror that awaits the Hospitals and Doctors going fishing.
And god knows what else in that 3000 page law.
Austerity has come to America. Read the fine print on the back of your mandatory insurance card which dictates how much salt, alcohol and trans fats you are allowed to consume. If you smoke, you might just as well plan on paying every bill out of pocket. Good fucking luck with that, 65% of Americans will be considered obese by 2016. The system is already strained, it now will be pushed over the tipping point. You won't ask an illegal for proper documentation but you will ask me for my insurance card? Fuck you! Our 16 Trillion dollar deficit will look like a small amount when this is all over. The Constitution has been torched, so much for celebrating Independence day next week. I wish I could still say I'm proud to be American, however I can't because I don't even know what America stands for anymore?
I once worked with an Army doctor at Reynolds Army Hospital in Oklahoma - his nickname was Dr. Death. Looks like we'll be getting legions of his ilk....
My Doctor occasionally talks to me about death. It is a clinical and final event in a person's life.
And then he occasionally talks about going fishing.
turkey ham and cold cuts.
I think that being young is going to start to suck more than getting old.
Roberts, you goddamned fool!
no fascist government governs long before a revolutionary fraction pushes back....
it is the cycle. book it.
jb
Give just ONE historical example please. Fascism has ONLY existed in early 20th century Europe, and was ended by the Second World War, not by some 'revolutionary fraction'. In fact, Fascism was counter-revolutionary, and smashed the Communists who had fomented red revolutions in various European states following the Great War, so any internal opposition from the reds was present from the very beginning, as with the 'Italian people' (read Communists) who butchered Il Duce and his mistress.
democratic regimes form part of that revolutionary cycle as fascicm destroys people's free will. What killed fascism in Europe and Japan were democratic governments. Revolutionary relative to that oppression, yes; but in terms of history this is not the most appropriate definition IMO, more like evolutionary reaffirmation of nation state democracy.
Late Geroge Carlin was right about the owners of this country wanting more and moe for themselves and less and less for everyone else.
http://youtu.be/hYIC0eZYEtI
The US lurches toward collapse, as the populace awakens to the fact that we are ruled by a tyranny. At least they didn't lie about the interstate commerce clause!
As long as you are only affecting poor people... aka fucking them over through taxation.. for whatever money they have, then of course it's Constitutional... Scotus...paid off...Now you'll have to buy whatever these assholes tell you to...
Now those same people will be in traffic court getting fined for car insurance they cannot afford followed by the health insurance they cannot afford. This will make everything better, though, right?
As long as you are only affecting poor people... aka fucking them over through taxation.. for whatever money they have, then of course it's Constitutional... Scotus...paid off...Now you'll have to buy whatever these assholes tell you to...