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Is Obama's Peace Prize About To Be Confiscated? Nobel Peace Prize Jury Under Investigation

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The announcement of Obama's recognition by the Nobel Peace Prize committee in 2009 seemed, to many, more like an 'Onion-worthy' headline than reality but now, as The Associated Press reports, it seems the officials face a formal inquiry over the selection criteria that could rescind the last three years' awards. The accusations at the root of the inquiry stem from persistent complaints by a Norwegian peace researcher that cites the original purpose of the prize was to diminish the role of military power in international relations, and if the Stockholm County Administrative Board, the overseer of such foundations, finds that the founder Alfred Noble's will is not being honored then (while unlikely) Obama (2009), Liu Xiaobo (2010), and last year's Liberians could face their awards suspended as 'champions of peace'. Fredrik Heffermehl, the inquiry's instigator, rhetorically asks when addressing the 2009 committee choice of Obama for "extraordinary efforts" to boost international diplomacy: "Do you see Obama as a promoter of abolishing the military as a tool of international affairs?" as he notes the 1895 will of Nobel to "work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

AP: Nobel Peace Prize Under Investigation

STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) — Nobel Peace Prize officials were facing a formal inquiry over accusations they have drifted away from the prize's original selection criteria by choosing such winners as President Barack Obama, as the nomination deadline for the 2012 awards closed Wednesday. The investigation comes after persistent complaints by a Norwegian peace researcher that the original purpose of the prize was to diminish the role of military power in international relations.


If the Stockholm County Administrative Board, which supervises foundations in Sweden's capital, finds that prize founder Alfred Nobel's will is not being honored, it has the authority to suspend award decisions going back three years — though that would be unlikely and unprecedented, said Mikael Wiman, a legal expert working for the county.


Obama won in 2009, Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won in 2010, and last year the award was split between Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Liberian activist Leymah Gbowee and Tawakkul Karman of Yemen.


Fredrik Heffermehl, a prominent researcher and critic of the selection process, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that "Nobel called it a prize for the champions of peace.""And it's indisputable that he had in mind the peace movement, i.e. the active development of international law and institutions, a new global order where nations safely can drop national armaments," he said


Especially after World War II, the prize committee, which is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, has widened the scope of the prize to include environmental, humanitarian and other efforts, he said. For example, in 2007 the prize went to climate activist Al Gore and the U.N.'s panel on climate change, and in 2009 the committee cited Obama for "extraordinary efforts" to boost international diplomacy.


"Do you see Obama as a promoter of abolishing the military as a tool of international affairs?" Heffermehl asked rhetorically.


Nobel, a Swedish industrialist and inventor, gave only vague guidelines for the peace prize in his 1895 will, saying it should honor "work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."


Nobel said the peace prize should be awarded by a Norwegian committee, and the other Nobel Prizes by committees in Sweden. The two Scandinavian nations were in a union at the time. Geir Lundestad, the nonvoting secretary of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, dismissed Heffermehl's claims.


"Fighting climate change is definitely closely related to fraternity between nations. It even concerns the survival of some states," he told AP. Still, the County Administrative Board decided to sent a letter to the Stockholm-based Nobel Foundation, which manages the prize assets, requesting a formal response to the allegations.


"We have no basis to suggest that they haven't managed it properly. But we want to investigate it," Wiman said. "The prize committee must always adjust its rules to today's society," he said. "But peace work has to be at the core — it can't deviate too much from that," Wiman said.

Failing a confiscation of that particular prize, the headhunter in chief can go for the repeat by fooling all of the Nobel committee member all of the time, in proving that the only solution to an excess debt problem is infinite debt.


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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:25 | 2128719 Jefferson
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War is peace.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2128731 Ahmeexnal
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Eat your "Peas" Prize, homies!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:38 | 2128782 malek
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Operation Sweep Under Rug commences...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:37 | 2128969 Manthong
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Maybe they can give him a non-layered Photoshop birth certificate instead.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:03 | 2129147 TruthInSunshine
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I can't comment on whether the Peas prize will be taken away, but I do know, whether it's some sort of coordinated bluff - or not - that Leon Panetta has stated that Israel is on the cusp of launching a military strike on Iran.

This is apparently somewhat breaking news:

Just a bluff? Fears grow of Israeli attack on Iran

The Associated Press‎ - 51 minutes ago

"High-level foreign dignitaries, including the U.N. chief and the head of the American military, have stopped in Israel in recent weeks, urging leaders to give the diplomatic process more time to work. But U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has reportedly concluded that an Israeli attack on Iran is likely in the coming months."

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:13 | 2129167 JW n FL
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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:26 | 2129185 palmereldritch
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Athens huh?

Viable cold fusion, now there's a WMD to TPTB's energy cartel grid.

Adding Greece to drone strike list in 3..2...1

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:26 | 2129307 Ahmeexnal
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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:58 | 2129456 Drachma
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Saturn's moon Titan is awash in literally seas of liquid hydrocarbons (i.e. oil & natural gas). Of course these must have been formed by dead dinosaurs right? [sarc/off] To bad scientific illiteracy triumphs over the facts these days. But I guess peak oil and dead-dinosaur energy make for fanciful narratives for the profane masses.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:32 | 2129505 Chuck Walla
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That will take one hell of a pipeline!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:42 | 2129517 palmereldritch
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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:50 | 2129586 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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All the yuppie liberals chant,

Obama!  Obama!!  Obama!!!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 22:56 | 2129734 HoofHearted
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Repo man driving by the White House very slowly....repo this here Nobel prize, bitchez!!!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:13 | 2129750 jeff montanye
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the story cites three years of winners, i guess to make it look like they're not picking on obama, but the chinese guy and, to a lesser extent, the liberians and yemeni, don't increase the use of the military to settle international disputes.  obama on the other hand ....  

bet the nobel committee wished they'd waited a couple of years before making their decision (but he looked and sounded so different from g.w. bush! -- so do frankenstein's monster and dracula but they get you to very similar places).

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:56 | 2129591 Banjo
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Saturn's moon Titan is awash in literally seas of liquid hydrocarbons (i.e. oil & natural gas). Of course these must have been formed by dead dinosaurs right? [sarc/off] To bad scientific illiteracy triumphs over the facts these days. But I guess peak oil and dead-dinosaur energy make for fanciful narratives for the profane masses.


Let me see if I get your logic Saturn's moon Titan has seas of liquid hydrocarbons. Therefore based on the knowledge that Titan had no dinosaurs Earthern oil is a result of the exact same or similar process as that on Titan.

Wow genius!



Sun, 02/05/2012 - 22:09 | 2129691 Backspin
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Banjo, did you miss his 'sarc' tag?  He's just saying that hydrocarbons can have an abioitic origin, and the presence of hydrocarbons on Titan is good evidence for that.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:22 | 2129845 trav7777
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haven't I told you idiots enough times that it doesn't matter if oil is biotic or abiotic???  ALL that matters is the production rate!

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 02:39 | 2129930 akak
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The Oil must flow.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 05:39 | 2130003 Acet
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The flaw in the grand parent's post is to equate "liquid hydrocarbons" = "oil & natural gas"

Titan is full of ....

... wait for it ....

... Methane

The reason why it's liquid it's because it's really cold (duh!)

Methane, being the simplest of hydrocarbons, is really easy to make. For example, you can heat up wood (without letting a flame touch it) and it will produce methane. Another way is to eat lots of chilly and wait for the gas to come out the other side ... that's methane (plus a couple of extras for a bit of whoompf).

In fact, even the second most simple hydrocarbon is easy to make. A derivative of it is widelly produced and consumed right here on planet Earth - it's called ethanol, commonly known as alcohool.

The really complex, long chain hydrocarbons (the stuff with chains of 10, 20, 30 Carbon atoms) that you will find in the thicker stuff (fuel, tar) is a lot harder to make than methane (one Carbon atom) and ethane (2 Carbon atoms).


Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:14 | 2280454 Drachma
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Children should listen to their grand parents. Was that your argument for the biotic origin of oil on Earth? You still haven't addressed the issue Acet. So who/what is producing the hydrocarbons on Titan using your suggested mechanisms? Your suggestions still involve a biotic origin. Is it that you can not fathom an abiotic route to methane and ethane production? You do know that the absorption spectrum of methane is found almost everywhere we look in space. Have you researched the composition of gases in Jupiter's and Saturn's atmosphere?

Sorry Acet, with all due respect, your argument betrays exactly the type of low-grade knowledge of chemistry and astrophysics that keeps people believing in distractions, meant to obfuscate for the sake of control. You've got some of the 101s, but have missed the bigger picture completely.

Methane is the base moeity for producing larger hydrocarbons. Where there is methane and a source of activation energy (i.e. as in UV photolysis that occurs in the atmosphere) and a reducing environment you will have heavier hydrocarbons. The spectrographic signatures of organic compounds, including aromatic hydrocarbons and amino acids have been found on asteroids.

Have you seen the results of the Cassini mission to Saturn? While the observed lakes of hydrocarbons may be predominantly methane and ethane, the atmosphere of titan is full of many other hydrocarbons (up to heptane and octane), including unstaturated hydrocarbons such as acetylene, ethylene, and also nitrogenated hydrocarbons such as nitriles. Hydrocarbon signatures have also been found on comets. Hydrocarbon signatures have even been measured in interstellar clouds. So why this blind love affair with biotic origins?

I would suggest a little study on the Fischer-Tropsch Reaction. Are you familiar with Russia's deep wells (below 40, 000 ft.)? That's too deep for fossils brother (Please review lithospheric dynamics). In short, the biotic origin theory has no legs to stand on, scientifically speaking. What is your evidence supporting the biotic origin theory?


Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:32 | 2280518 Drachma
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I did not claim that oil on Earth is produced by the exact same processes as on Titan. The point is there are numerous abiotic pathways to hydrocarbons of all sorts, and the chemistry and conditions exist almost everywhere in space we look. Why should it be any different on Earth? That of course does not exclude the possibility of biotic hydrocarbon production. However, I can prove the abiotic origin of hydrocarbons in a  lab, using real scientific methods. Show me the lab experiments that prove the biotic origins theory, please. Don't just take the word of 18th century hack geologists, their students of which to this day still use the fossil record to date geological strata and then turn around and use the geological column to date fossils. Geology today is in a crisis. The 'science' associated with Earth studies has its whole foundation resting on this most absurd tautology.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:29 | 2129190 Manthong
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"U.N. chief and the head of the American military, have stopped in Israel in recent weeks, "

Let me guess..

..taking orders, arranging for vendor financing, also refining logistics and collatral support. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:50 | 2129587 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Nope, they were there for the Kosher hot dogs.  Best in all the land!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:07 | 2129745 In Fed We Trust
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And they dropped off some suit cases of cash that went missing from the Pentagon. Also 35 pounds of cocaine went missing.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:19 | 2129761 hbjork1
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No, that was the MF Global cash.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:19 | 2129762 hbjork1
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No, that was the MF Global cash.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 01:57 | 2129523 BlackholeDivestment
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...impressive post JW, and what an absolutely perfect one it is. You have great vision. This one is for you my friend. >>> 

P.S. ...just found this link on some website   ...that has tabs on Middle East reports, it is a fake scene of a nuclear event in Israel. 

P.S.S. This is today's interview with Rosemary's Baby on not taking ''any options off'' on Iran

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 04:11 | 2129977 margaris
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Not this rossi guy again.

I checked the background of this cold fusion scamster some months ago.

And as it appears he found some gullible greek investors that were ready to give him money for his apparatus.

Makes me feel ashamed to be greek. Fucking religious pseudoscience loving greeks. :-(

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:08 | 2129233 citrine
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There is a very good chart in the post by ZH, in my opinion

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:11 | 2129376 carbonmutant
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You mean they'll take his prize away if he attacks Iran?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:16 | 2129757 In Fed We Trust
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Look dude,

Obama needs to top off the OWS hoax with a Wood Stock party in the White House lawn to ease these Peace Prize snitches.

If they do pull his Prize,
Maybe he can get a Grammy for Best Liar Ever As Prez. Maybe Best Actor ?

Maybe the Negro Oylimpics can Give the Pres a Ribbon for Best Hustle for a Negro in Power Award?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 02:55 | 2129942 BorisTheBlade
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No, they won't. Alfred Nobel himself, with all the best intentions of stopping wars, invented dynamite. Ever since, Nobel Peace Prize is presented to anyone who is most successful in using dynamite as a way to achieve a little bit more peace.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:19 | 2129395 GeezerGeek
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We should all support whirled peas.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:06 | 2129467 HoofHearted
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You want a real Nobel Peace prize winner by the above definitions of having smaller standing armies (in other peoples' countries)? How about this man?

Ron Paul.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:47 | 2129341 Whiner
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Must be a packaged gift with Hawaiian SS number and Koran- I mean, Christian Bible with Grandma's signature on flyleaf

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:28 | 2129015 Sudden Debt
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It will never happen....


.... Officially....

But they can rent it of course....

And think they have the gold....

On paper....


Digital, they'll have to do a print screen and print it themselves....

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:47 | 2129109 Atomizer
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Parody always has a catch 22 moment. The year was 2009

Obama's Nobel Prize Speech & Afghandyland


President Obama accepts his Nobel Peace Prize at a pancake breakfast, and Stephen plays the home version of the Afghan war

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:25 | 2129770 In Fed We Trust
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No dude,

They are pulling Obamas Prize because

The nigger threw Bin Ladens dead body off the back of ship.

Really uncool and defintely, not Isamic tradition.!

Instead they should give the Prize to the 29 Navy Seal Team members who lost their lives in order for Obama to have his "bin Landen Hoax"

The CIA shoots down its own, to keep the lie alive and but an end to the 10 year search!

Go USA . you go

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:46 | 2129106 Hobbleknee
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Whirled Peas!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:49 | 2129244 chumbawamba
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Ok, now is acceptable to call him a nigger?


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:23 | 2129304 longdong silver
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You must learly definr the word "nigger"


Obama and his followers are lazy slobs that thinkthe working class and life in general owe them a living.

Therfore obama and his flollowers are niggers. Liberal niggers.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:30 | 2129782 In Fed We Trust
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How about Nigger in the sense

He likes getting sucked off with a crack pipe in his mouth in his limo as he parades Downtown Chicago as the New Nigger on The Block?

Maybe some niggers outgrow these childnlike non sense?

I dun know.

Im just a dude on a iphone.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:27 | 2129497 frosty zoom
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why don't you go ask him?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:14 | 2129752 economics1996
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Obama only talks to supporters.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:32 | 2129783 frosty zoom
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"Obama, Boehner Held Secret Debt Ceiling Meeting Over July 4 Weekend"




Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:45 | 2129524 Dead Canary
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Shit talkin nigger, please.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:23 | 2129766 jeff montanye
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although his mother seemed like a very good woman, obama's flaws seem like those of a white man if anything.  but evil really does transcend race.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 01:31 | 2129899 chumbawamba
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Actually, that whole thing about his mother is a back story.  Obama is really a genetically engineered reincarnation of Pharoah Akhenaten:

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 02:42 | 2129932 akak
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There is no god but Aton, and Obama is his prophet.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 03:32 | 2129970 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Obama is a nigger pharoah

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:07 | 2129602 Paul Bogdanich
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They gave the Nobel Prize to Herny Kissinger for God's sake.  I suppose the prize might still mean something in science or literature but the "peace" prize has been a sham for decades.   

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:14 | 2129756 economics1996
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Paul Krugman got the prize, any liberal idiot can win it.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:20 | 2129763 knukles
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By Jove, another error! 
In this case, is to be awarded to somebody sane with a basic grasp of economics.

And the nominee is my dog, Drool.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:26 | 2129774 jeff montanye
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like menachem begin?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:52 | 2129868 New_Meat
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Paul, they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to Yassir Arafat! - Ned.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:29 | 2128739 HamyWanger
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Well, actually, war can BE peace, if it is a war done to prevent other wars. The ideology of nonviolence and Gandhism is bullshit, and President Obama has understood it. 

Bullies only understand force.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:32 | 2128756 frosty zoom
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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:33 | 2128766 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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So, Hamy, we all here on Zero Hedge have decided that you are going to start a war and now we are going to kill you.  Fair?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:37 | 2129213 knukles
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Killing Stupididty to Stop Stupididty Killing.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:34 | 2128768 SeventhCereal
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you are right.  the bullies that keep causing trouble need to be stopped.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:45 | 2128812 HamyWanger
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If by "bullies", you mean the Axis Of Evil (Iran, Cuba, Syria, Russia, China...) then I agree with you.

If you mean Israel or the USA then I suggest you seek treatment because your moral sense is seriously twisted, if not inverted. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:53 | 2128837 francis_sawyer
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With the passage of NDAA...

I'm just living in fear that an Iranian, Cuban, Syrian, Russian, or Chink is going to bust down my door at any moment because they 'snooped' and figured out that I hadn't made a credit card purchase in over 5 years & that my TV wasn't tuned to the 'El Presidente All Day' channel...

or that I didn't order a 'kosher dog' at the SuperBowl vendor...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:22 | 2128941 Gubbmint Cheese
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Cuba is part of the axis of evil? Lol how old school of you Hamy!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:56 | 2129007 Richard Chesler
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The only thing Obama understands is corruption.

Is there anything about this clown that isn't fake???


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:28 | 2129780 jeff montanye
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for an amateur, he's a passable song and dance man with a decent three point shot.  and i so wish he'd give up his day job. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:21 | 2128937 Rodolfito
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Hamy, do you serously think that the people in the countries of Iran, Cuba, Syria, Russia and China are evil? Or, any more evil than the good people of USA? This term 'axis of evil' is a term propogated by the mainstream media (MSM) (puppets of money power) in order to support the wars necessary to achieve one world government. Nobel Peace Prize winner Barry Soetoro (aka Obama) also uses the term as he is also a puppet of money power. The real axis of evil is the bankers, governments and the MSM. The people of all countries are the innocents. Iranians are just like me and you; ordinary guys doing their best.

Surely, you consider the possibility that you don't know everything and that learning happens for all of us every day. So please question where you got these beliefs from - parents, MSM, etc. Because, with every respect, it is not the reality.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:49 | 2129115 Hobbleknee
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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:08 | 2129154 earleflorida
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Quote:  "the wise man understands the fool for he was once a fool himself, but the fool does not understand the wise man because he never was wise" ___Prov. Translations from Arabic and Persian Sayings --- c.1911

which fool were you?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:42 | 2128979 LongBalls
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Hamy I believe you somehow got seperated from the U.S. herd.
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter". Isaiah 5:20


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:01 | 2129018 Ratscam
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Guatemalla was evil as well because the united fruit corporation chiquita banana lobbied for it. After the US military involvement chiquita got their influence back with a new Guatemalan president. Just one example of the dozens in US history.
Didn,t the moste decorated general of the US say war is a racket?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:33 | 2129081 Goldilocks
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Family Guy (death lol :) ) (0:44)

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:57 | 2129138 Albertarocks
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You're talking about the war mongering banksters I assume?  The Rothschilds have stirred the shit first, then funded both sides of every war since Napoleon.  That's where the "real" problem is.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:41 | 2128800 navy62802
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Wars are rarely fought with the primary intention of bringing peace.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:04 | 2128886 Zero Debt
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war is a barbarous relic

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:16 | 2129042 Death and Gravity
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Rather war is an inherent result of human behavior, but it exerbated by certain authoritarian and centralized power structures. Americans take note.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:22 | 2129559 Think for yourself
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no, war is an emergent pattern of a specific entity, which is an aggregate of humans - let's call it a society. This society regards itself, a fictional entity, as more important than the actual, real individuals that comprise it. It thus strives to optimize competitive behaviour at the peril of its constituents, since it plays by a misguided game plan of competition, which is according to game theory the optimal plan to assure survival in what is perceived as a scarce environment.

The key words here are fictional entity and perceived as scarce. Fiction can not be put before reality - this is the hell of statism. Nor should an abundant environment be conceived as scarce if we are to determine optimal behaviour.

But of course our minds are endoctrinated to do exactly that. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:00 | 2129141 Albertarocks
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Just like Dick Cheney and he loves war.  It's time for those old monsters to hang it up and let peace reign for a few hundred years.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:35 | 2128923 Dapper Dan
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 ain't this the truth,

 The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

George Carlin

We have fire fighters and crime fighters but what do freedom fighters do?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:00 | 2129596 pvzh
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I would say never. The last two world wars (WWI and WWII) were presumably fought to end all wars, but it got only worse.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:59 | 2128858 Libertarian777
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because Libya was a threat to the USA USA USA! and now that Ghadaffi is dead there is peace in the land of Libya.

Also we took out the 'butcher of baghdad'. Iraq hadn't experienced as much peace since 1988 once we took him out. In fact if you look at 2006, there was very little crime, such as muggings and bank robberies. Also the % of people dying from cancer declined precipitously.

<sarc off>


so if bullies only understand force, will the USA only understand force? that's what you're saying?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:59 | 2128860 Hugh G Rection
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I agree Hamy!

Those Palestinian Bullies throw rocks at our tanks, bloody our boots, and have the chutzpah to live on land that belongs to our zionist empire.

Under the cover of our Mossad attack in the USA, we blew up many houses in Gaza... it was a very productive day.  Your stupid Americans played right into our hands, and will continue to support our hegemony, with imminent wars in Syria and Iran.


Long Live Israel, Long Live the Jew World Order!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:11 | 2129159 resurger
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Last time i checked your commandos got Pawned on the Marmara Floatilla against unarmed humanetarians in May 2010.

2008 you couldnt take down Gaza, so you slaughter and incinerate people with white phosphorus. Still you got beaten by the Hamas Gorillas

2006 you get Owned by Hizbollah, again!

“It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.” MT

and the size of the fight stands for one's faith

Fuck you zionist kyke, may someone dear to you dies so that you realize not to write this type of shit in here ever again..

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:01 | 2129326 Hugh G Rection
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Give us a break!  We're used to manipulating the US into fighting our battles.  The only combat experience our IDF and Mossad get is shooting unarmed women and children.


A goy pig like you probably thinks this video is funny!

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 09:56 | 2129832 resurger
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are you being sarc?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 10:10 | 2130305 prole
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You haven't had your Starbux yet today have you?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2130779 Hugh G Rection
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Very much so.  I appreciate your righteous indignation of a common enemy!  If only more Americans would wake up to the zionist boot up their asses.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:19 | 2129176 earleflorida
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all praise too king david [?], for he is the cornerstone to which we build our foundation,...

quote:___Arabic and Persian Saying (translation / Oriental Quotations - Eastwick c.1911)

"When rust deep-seated has consumed the steel

It's stain will never a new polish own

Advice effects not those who cannot feel

A nail of iron cannot pierce a stone"

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:15 | 2128919 nodhannum
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Agreed...with some reservations.  The only reason Ghandi and the Rev. Dr. Matin Luther King got away with it is because the brits and the 'mericans didn't have the stomach to do a Tiananmen Square thingie.  If Ghandi had tried that in China and/or Syria or Sadam's Iraq, well, you can figure it out.  Further, big wars are fought because the smaller ones weren't.  If the Italians had been stopped in Ethiopia, the Nazi's in the Rhineland, Austria, the Sudatenland, etc. WWII most probaly would not have happened.  Having said that, it does not mean one has "carte blanche" for sticking their nose into ever family feud between the Hatfields and the McCoys.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:29 | 2129192 earleflorida
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Quote: Arabian and Persian Sayings ___ translation - Oriental Quotations 

"Faith does not company with worldly men.

  From those habit is injustice, then

      Expect not truth"  


Please understand that Ghandi and King were well aware of their fate,... but, chose the righteous path --- the ultimate sacrifice of man for mankinds sake --- listen for reason in the wind before the morning mist washes it away

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:33 | 2129204 prains
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hamy your moral compass has been recalled due to user defect

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:54 | 2128841 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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If the Nobel jury want to shame their organization I suggest they go ahead and take it away. Im saddened by the growing influence of Obama detractors; without fail I find them to be racist - or at least quasi racist.

Obamas success is not just the success of one man but the culmination of a true grass roots movement started by the brightest and the best on campuses up and down the country. He hasnt got the full praise he's deserved because his first 4 years have been concerned with averting the greatest recession this nation has ever faced. Now we see impressing employment numbers and the start of a true recovery.

I would also like the draw attention to the inspiration provided by his amazing wife. The first lady acts with such dignity at public events that shes a constant inspiration to americans facing hardship across the nation.

On a personal note, I've progressed from an Obama campain administrator to a high level government post regulating small industires. I'm living proof that one can achieve success even in these hard times. This week I earned my salery by gaining circa 3000 dollars by imposing fines on unregulated market stalls. That money can now be spent by the government stimulating the proper economy. I don't post on Zero Hedge often but I thought I'd offer an alternative view amid the hopless doomer sentiment. You just have to join in the brave fight and you too can make it! God Bless America! Obama 2012

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:02 | 2128870 Bernank Sheeple
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Not bad,but you're no MDB or Hamy

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:09 | 2128901 Manchu9Inf
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I hope to hell that is sarcasim! 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:17 | 2128927 DVDBeaver
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What the world needs - more co-opted regulators... who can't spell 'salary'.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:32 | 2129200 earleflorida
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celery or fruck?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:18 | 2128929 Tom Servo
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Funniest thing I've read on here, because I think he's serious!  Way to go, chief, on your government post in the administration.  Do you have your Gender Studies master diploma on your office wall?  Do you have a real world skill?  And I will inject an ad hominem attack on your atrocious spelling and misuse of the word "circa" in attempting to sound intelligent.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:30 | 2128952 Coast Watcher
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Too obvious. You need to try again, without the over-the-top adulation. The praise of Michelle gave you away.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:53 | 2129002 dhengineer
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Exactly!  The First Cow is anything but dignified, and she shoves more elongated food into that maw than Michelle Bachman...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:04 | 2129464 smiler03
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And at least 45 people didn't get the sarcasm. What a sorrowful bunch.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:29 | 2129312 longdong silver
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Maxi pad,

Soon you will wake up to the clear understanding that you work for, and am an arm of, the anichrist.

Until then, may you nash teeth you liberal piece of shit.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:46 | 2129520 Kipper und Wipp...
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The most racist group of people involved in this discussion is that which elected an unaccomplished, incompetent charlatan soley based on ... wait for it ... THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN.

And this simply a fact. Why ELSE was this man elected, other than the blacks & the self-hating white liberals thought it would be nice to bring affirmative action to the white house, and figured that a member of a Historically Oppressed Group(TM) must be so inherently ennobled by the experience that he would lead us all into some kind of utopia!

Utterly disgusting, and the culmination of the ridiculous identity-politics New Left charade that co-opted the genuine revolutionary moment in the 60s. Hopefully the ensuing backlash will wash away any support for what remains of people who take that nonsense seriously.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:09 | 2129033 George Orwell
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In order to save the village, we must destroy it.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:48 | 2129072 palmereldritch
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'Cause sometimes you gotta pave paradise to save paradise

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:05 | 2129265 earleflorida
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"sooner, rather than later, all great empires self-destruct --- their earth,... long since scorched --- their occupier hath nothing to victor, but, a recycled phoenix from whence they too will be forsaken'd - for greed, conquest, and power,... destiny holds no allegiance but disdain"    

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:57 | 2129536 Kipper und Wipp...
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...but wait, you need that village to raise a child!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:25 | 2129183 Bill D. Cat
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Ya gotta admit , he has killed more people than any other Nobel Peace Prize winner .

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:37 | 2129429 GeezerGeek
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But not as many as that well-meaning Rachel Carson.

It's the sentiment that counts, not the actual results.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:41 | 2129225 SAT 800
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Yeah, that's about it. My personal favorite is Kissinger, mass murderer of Cambodia, and a fellow honoree. What a farce.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:24 | 2129306 ThatGuyEhler
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Freedom is slavery...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:53 | 2129348 MassDecep
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Everything is backwards today
Government Freedom means Slavery, Health industry totes Sickness, Justice is Tyranny, Education teaches False Information, and Spirituality says worship Self.



Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:12 | 2129378 midtowng
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They should go back more than just three years. It isn't only Obama that doesn't deserve Peace Prize. In fact, there are very few politicians in history that do.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:59 | 2129540 Kipper und Wipp...
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Kissinger 1973.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2128728 cnsteph
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It wasn't war... it was kinetic action...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:30 | 2128744 Ancona
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Damnit! You just made me choke coffee through my nose on to my keyboard! My wuife is looking at me like I'm insane right now.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:51 | 2128830 palmereldritch
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Kinetic...So maybe they should just change his award to the Nobel Prize for Physics...they rewrite everything these days...even the Law of Gravity

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:52 | 2129447 GeezerGeek
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The science prizes are now the property of Algore for his work linking the massive server farms used by Google to global warming and shrinking icecaps and glaciers.

BTW, does anyone else here agree with me that the Law of Gravity discriminates agains obese people and should be repealed? Where's Congress when you need them.

Next we can simplify geometry by mandating the the value of pi be set to exactly 3. I never liked irrational numbers, anyway, because they always remind me of politicians.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:08 | 2129472 smiler03
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Gravity killed the dinosaurs*, it's an unforgiving bastard. 

* somebody on ZH said so

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:59 | 2128866 Libertarian777
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TRANSITORY kinetic peace making... there fixed it...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:05 | 2128888 Zero Debt
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It was doubleplusgood

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:28 | 2128735 SeventhCereal
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I think all the awards need to be investigated.  The majority of them are given to European and US citizens.  I find that hard to believe, when their economies are virtually in shambles and their industries have moved to China.  

Let's get to the ground truth:

The occidents has been very vocal about cancer and aids for decades, after billions of dollars what have they accomplished?  Let them perpetuate their old-world stereotypes for as long as they can, China has the cash and the steel, and all the other rare earths.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:32 | 2128761 qussl3
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China is just willing to mine and refine the stuff, bloody toxic process.

When push comes to shove the states will do what is needed.

America still has all the stuff it needs in the ground, china is desperately trying to pawn American obligations for them, with sellers getting increasingly more savvy and leery.

China can and will compete, but it's FAR from holding all the cards.

If anything what's happening now in Russia must have them fuming.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:38 | 2128784 SeventhCereal
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its great to ride on the china express and watch you guys lose everyday.  News in america are embarassed to show the progress China is making.  I pass by both financial cities regularly in america and I have to say one thing, they are old, rotten, and falling apart.  Get to work.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:29 | 2128737 qussl3
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Where's them Norwegian WMDs at?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:35 | 2128775 frosty zoom
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in sweden...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:42 | 2128746 HD
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Everyone INCLUDING Obama knew it was, at best  - too soon.  As it turns out, the one thing Obama has been really good at is killing people.

Remember folks, removing the clip is not enough. Have them pop the one in the chamber...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:31 | 2128750 EmileLargo
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Nobel Peace Prize = Nobel Prize for Economics. Equally relevant. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:36 | 2128776 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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There is no such thing as a Nobel Prize for Economics

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:47 | 2128821 JLee2027
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You missed the impact of Bribery

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:49 | 2128826 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I am speaking on terms of a technicality.  There is no NOBEL Prize for Economics.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:15 | 2128918 Likstane
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Hey leon himdicks, Great catch on the non-existant peace prize for economics.  We really owe you for that one.  Thanks again for being able to point out(on a tecnicality) the grave mistake and your hasty fervent response.  Thanks for being right(technically speaking) once again. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:24 | 2128944 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Your welcome.  Doing what I can to show how serious the Global Vampires take themselves and how they won't give an inch to the history books when they can.  Your welcome once again.  Once again, you are welcome.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:35 | 2128960 falak pema
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Here is a link :

OT/  If you think Economics is junkanomics, the climate change people came closest to being in the same league as the economists; with Al Gore they got the peace prize. Personally it doesn't bother me as I am, unlike most of ZH, not aversive to climate change evidence. All this talk about sun cycles and marginal effect of CO2 levels in atmosphere does not recognise the incremental effect of key eco system parameters.


A substance like mercury is lethal in small doses in eco sysytem. A substance like Strontium 90 or Caesium 137 as well. We all know that as its man made. 

So all increment of CO2, man made in industrial cycle gone viral, even in a substance that is trace compound of our air, does not mean it can't change the eco system balance. Hell, it can like Mercury, Strontium or Caesium. Think micro eco system equilibrium for key trace compounds and not macro level analysis. And don't junk what the scientists say 'cos you are in denial.

There is a very interesting study that shows that brain structure is correlated with whether we think conservative or liberal : the "don't change tradition" types and "hell, this is progress" types. 

I've lost the link but I read the article. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:59 | 2129011 nihilist
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I have news for you a small increase in CO2 doesn't change the ecosystem balance.  I take you're not familiar with the law of conservation of energy and the second law of thermodynamics.

And unlike the pseudo science of climate change, the laws mentioned above are laws of physics and nature, not theories, which has undergone scrutiny under the rigourous process that is the scientific method.

To keep a system outside of equilibrium and sustain energy you have to do WORK.  Otherwise, the system ALWAYS reaches equiibrium.  ALWAYS!  Unless, you're so called "experts" the above mentioned laws of physics.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:22 | 2129059 Death and Gravity
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"And unlike the pseudo science of climate change, the laws mentioned above are laws of physics and nature, not theories, which has undergone scrutiny under the rigourous process that is the scientific method."

You're fatally ignorant of the topic if you think the study of the factors involved in climate change is not under massive scrutiny (read: peer review).

And no, the continuous bleating of the climate skeptic herd, which is largely scientifically illiterate and/or incapable of seperating science from politics, does not make for qualified assertions of the contrary.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:16 | 2129172 falak pema
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I am not an expert in a field which is far from being a science. But I have an open mind, and do not accept what the skeptics say based on thermodynamics. The people who support climate change are beyond that barrier. I don't know if they have reached a new frontier of science; probably not. But their trail is not cold; far from it. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:37 | 2129086 GeneMarchbanks
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If you're referring to Newtonian mechanics then you're speaking not of 'laws' as such but an interpretation. You're speaking nonsense regards to 'equilibrium'.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:06 | 2129027 Cathartes Aura
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this may be your link falak,

Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say.

There had also been many prior psychological reports showing that conservatives are more sensitive to threat or anxiety in the face of uncertainty, while liberals tend to be more open to new experiences. Kanai's team suspected that such fundamental differences in personality might show up in the brain.

the language of the piece is certainly interesting, given the conservative bent of both ass cheeks in office lately.

also seems to correlate with the skewing of fundaMENTAL god botherers to the right side of the boat, huddling together for safety & a promise of pie in the sky when they die. . .

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 16:08 | 2129158 falak pema
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ty cathartes.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:58 | 2129357 Green Leader
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I am eager to see what you have to say on the current astrological chart...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:19 | 2129053 Death and Gravity
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Ah, the neophobes vs neophiles...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:44 | 2129659 cranky-old-geezer
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You fail to see the true motivation behind the global warming agenda.

It's not about the environment at all.  People supporting the global warming agenda couldn't care less about the environment.

It's about money.  How they can make money from the global warming agenda, with "carbon credits" and "carbon taxes" and crap like that. 

Al Gore's residence light bill is something like $10,000 a month.  He does nothing to conserve electricity.

Money is all they care about.  Money is all Al Gore cares about. 

If the global warming agenda were to move forward and be implemented, ignorant sheep like you would be very disappointed when you discover all they do is make money off it.  The environment won't improve at all.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:22 | 2128940 nodhannum
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Right on MLH!  Originally, it was for the hard sciences, where things can't be manipulated as easily (well may except for blobal warming) as they can for the social "sciences".  In the social sciences, you tell me the answer you want and I can git it fer ya!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:49 | 2128827 Clueless Economist
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Hey Pal, I deserve my Nobel award....dammit!

"The solution to the debt crisis, is more debt"

--P Krugman

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:57 | 2128854 francis_sawyer
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It's up there on the top floor of the Ivory Tower (on the ledge)... Go fetch!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:31 | 2128751 frosty zoom
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  • We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false! 
  • No. Not master! 
  • Yes, precious, false! They will cheat you, hurt you, LIE. 
  • Master is our friend!
  • You don't have any friends; nobody likes you! 
  • I'm not listening... I'm not listening..
  • You're a liar and a thief. 
  • No!
  • *Murderer*. 
  • Go away! 


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:31 | 2128753 digalert
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Who would have thought the top TOTUS reader, community organizer, man-child Barack Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama what's his name becomes a peace prize assassinator with a questionable past.

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