One Of Worst Monthly Sell Offs In High Yield Market's 25 Year History Implies "100% Probability Of Mild Recession"

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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:21 | 1566481 sellstop
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We've already had the mild recession.

Precisely NOW is a good time to buy MCP.

gh

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:48 | 1566711 max2205
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Sicky Objects!!!!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:23 | 1566485 FoieGras
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High Yield may be a buy around here. Certainly better outlook than equities.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:48 | 1566540 pslater
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High yield bonds are basically plays on smaller and mid cap stocks where most of your total return comes from income rather than capital gains.  With corporate profit margins peaking three quarters ago, I'd be very careful of the HY space.  I would even suggest that this is a great time to sell HY...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:35 | 1566684 Greater Fool
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Would stay away from convertibles as they will still be reflecting equity prices and high vols, but otherwise yes, HY is a good place to look when the tide of liquidity goes out. But only if you are willing to risk a very large mark-to-market loss if another credit shock comes down the line.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:59 | 1566747 CrashisOptimistic
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Prices of HYG, the HY bond ETF:

1 January 2011 :  $90.29

16 Aug 2011:  $86.22     

Difference $4.07  This looks like -4.5% for the year so far at first glance

But at second glance it paid $4.06 in monthly distributins since 1 Jan, not including 1 January's payout.

This means the loss is about 1 penny year to date.  

The S&P closed 2010 at 1257 and it's 1188 today.  That's minus 5.5%.  It also pays out dividends and the yield is about 1.8% as I recall.  So 7/12 of the year is past which would be 1% of that 1.8.  

One way or another HY is outperforming the S&P. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:24 | 1566487 dcb
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one of the things that should have been elimated with the financial crisis is high yeild. you knew we were in a bubble and there was too much credit around when they started leveraged loans again

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:24 | 1566490 Sudden Debt
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Mild, like in a mild hart attack or mild stroke?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:26 | 1566499 Pladizow
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Mild Rape!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:29 | 1566515 Long-John-Silver
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During or the morning after sex?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:49 | 1566539 Sudden Debt
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if they sleep over, the morning sex is like paying rent!

And during the sex is is somehting that happens if you didn't buy them enough beers.

 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:40 | 1566528 Dasa Slooofoot
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Mildly pregnant.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:58 | 1566568 In Fed We Trust
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What does 2.3 trillion dollasrs buy you?

 

Just ask Donald Rumsfield in this here funny video...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9ryVbCxHk

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:41 | 1566697 Sudden Debt
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What does 2.3 trillion dollars buy you?

A second term.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:43 | 1566529 Gubbmint Cheese
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"A light dusting of downs syndrome"

Adam Carolla

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:55 | 1566557 Manthong
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"A light spray of hydrofluoric acid"

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Most_dangerous_acid

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:12 | 1566618 baby_BLYTHE
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Holy crap, we got Adam Carolla fan in the house? Reps!

"The world is your oyster…because that’s all the world is."- Adam Carolla

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:35 | 1566686 Vic Vinegar
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In Fifty Years We'll All Be Chicks...recommended reading for even the most scholarly amongst us.

http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Years-Well-All-Chicks/dp/0307717380/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313526883&sr=8-1

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:24 | 1566491 vast-dom
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DEFINE 100%MILD!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:24 | 1566494 SheepDog-One
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We've already had the mild recession, now time to face reality and see we're in the greatest depression!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:26 | 1566498 SheepDog-One
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Remove the ZIRP and QE flooding into bank vaults and see what the 'mild recession' is in reality, total full blown depression.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:07 | 1566603 Dr. Richard Head
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You can remove ZIRP and QE now because SNAP is stimulus, at least according to Obama Ag Secretary - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/16/obama_ag_secretary_vilsack_food_stamps_are_a_stimulus.html

 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:29 | 1566665 pods
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If you remove SNAP, Rome burns tomorrow.  

pods

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:49 | 1566715 Dr. Richard Head
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It was tried in Atlanta, GA due to a "glitch" in the system and boy did the natives get restless.  I would provide the video, but it has been removed from YouTube due to copyright infringement.  I tried to locate from the FOX affiliate in Atlanta, but it has been removed from there as well.

Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck - Robin Williams.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:54 | 1566726 karzai_luver
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fireball bitchezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

 

 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:37 | 1566500 Mercury
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But wait!....what’s that rolling across the heartland of America?......its…..the economic grim reaper mobile?!...

 
WTF?

 
Citizens and comrades…surrender your liberty and property….resistance is useless!

 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:42 | 1566526 dwdollar
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Haha...  It's like Darth Vader's bus.  He's coming to your town to find some rebel scum.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:51 | 1566546 Mercury
Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:05 | 1566594 andybev01
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If I had $1.1 mil to drop on a ride it would be this:

 

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Mansory_Veyron_Li...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:09 | 1566610 Mercury
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There's one in the back of the bus.  When they drive close to cities Barry likes to play Night Rider.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 22:59 | 1567740 JW n FL
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by andybev01
on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:05
#1566594

 

If I had $1.1 mil to drop on a ride it would be this:

 

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Mansory_Veyron_Li...

********************************************************************

that car is NOT! $1.1 million.. that is a super sport.. it is not a regular Bugatti.

the carbon fiber hood is the give away.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:27 | 1566501 Cdad
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I heard 1 in 3 chance of recession.  I heard it about 20 times, and I read it about twenty more times.  However, these sources were all criminal banker types, syndicate analysts, and rating agency clown types.

So agreed...100% is a lock.  And if the debt bubble bursts in Europe, severe depression.

The fact that equities continue to ignore credit is shades of 2008....and so unbelievably stupid as to cause me a high level of concern for floor traders.  Since my tv recently became a radio, can anyone confirm whether or not Steve Grasso at the NYSE is wearing a hockey helmet and mouth gaurd?  Thanks.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:46 | 1566536 SheepDog-One
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All is a calm line on the floor, probably end up all green as robots relelntlessly bidding up everything in sight like winos in an alley with a magically refilling bottle of Night Train. Its a hobo miracle market!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:07 | 1566604 Cdad
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Poor Steve...he has been trying to rope folks into AK Steel for weeks.  He owns it.  He really should be wearing one of those hockey helmets that I donated to the NYSE last year for all the "special" guys on the trading floor...standing in the center of the room clapping for themselves.

Did you see how sickly those last two hours were, Dog?  I mean, puking up spaghetti and Jack Daniels while passed out on your back on the couch sickly, man, with a plastic bag over your head even.  That was one of the worst attempts at a fake bounce back that I have ever seen.

Fuck me, Dog.

 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 17:15 | 1566781 SheepDog-One
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LOL!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:29 | 1566509 Long-John-Silver
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We recovered from the 2008 recession?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:45 | 1566533 Sudden Debt
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that was just a soft patch. It was the media who blew it out of proportion...

 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:30 | 1566670 Crack-up Boom
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You mean a "soft patch" like the la brea tar pits?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 21:11 | 1567448 knukles
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transitory

don't forget transitory

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:29 | 1566512 Joe Davola
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Is it like a mild concussion - one someone else has?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:32 | 1566673 pods
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Of course, with the way that they refuse to flush out all the bad debt hidden away, this is going to be more like a mild case of herpes.

pods

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:30 | 1566516 You Lie
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The global financial system has become whack-a-mole.     And the game is speeding up.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:31 | 1566519 Johnny Lawrence
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Speaking of recession, Obama reversed it until he hit "bad luck": http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/ob...

At a town hall meeting on his campaign-style tour of the Midwest, President Obama claimed that his economic program "reversed the recession" until recovery was frustrated by events overseas.  And then, Obama said, with the economy in an increasingly precarious position, the recovery suffered another blow when Republicans pressed the White House for federal spending cuts in exchange for an increase in the national debt limit, resulting in a deal Obama called a "debacle."

"We had reversed the recession, avoided a depression, gotten the economy moving again," Obama told a crowd in Decorah, Iowa.  "But over the last six months we've had a run of bad luck."  Obama listed three events overseas -- the Arab Spring uprisings, the tsunami in Japan, and the European debt crises -- which set the economy back.

 

Also, high yield correlates very highly to the equity market.  When the equity market sells off, so does high yield.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:44 | 1566531 nantucket
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here's a little tidbit about "bad luck"....so appropriate for the Obama bad luck comment

 

"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.  This is known as “bad luck.”

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:50 | 1566543 SheepDog-One
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Well as long as 'poverty' is defined as not having the latest version of the IPad, yea. 

Whenever the tiny percentage is kept from 'creating'....creating what? Debt slavery? I'd far rather live on a ranch farm and have some peace and quiet rather than the pointless rat race to beat the Jones' in number of useless trinkets purchased on credit. 

All baubles and bullshit.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:51 | 1566547 caerus
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i'm with you...grew up on a ranch...it's a good life...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:58 | 1566550 SheepDog-One
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BTW I have to ask Nantucket...just who are these 'tiny percentage of 'creators' who whenever theyre 'driven out of a society' always results in that society becoming poverty stricken? 

Those who have always created central banks and fiat currency and fractional lending? 

Who are they? These 'creators'?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:04 | 1566589 nantucket
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so how many people do you personally know that have created/invesnted something that has changed the world?  Not many, huh?  It' because there are so few.  What percentage of people do you estimate have made transformative inventions that greatly contributied to mankind?

Once again, some numb nuts has picked his pet peeve issue (fiat currency, fractional a-hole yada yada) and ASS-sumed the quote was referring to that.

C'mon boys and girls, think before you verbal diarrhea; this is the UFC of forums, don't come light cause you'll get housed.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:08 | 1566595 SheepDog-One
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So if these 'creators' are so great, why do they then get driven out of society? And where did they go? Simply dont know who or what youre talking about, no need to get all butthurt about it. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:24 | 1566655 Cdad
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don't come light cause you'll get housed.

Great...'cause I'm homeless just now.  Where's the link to my voucher? 

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