Open Europe Briefing On What The German Constitutional Court Ruling Will Mean For The Eurozone Crisis

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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:18 | 1635155 walküre
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Greek default is being priced in. Hence the market action.

The Euro will stand as the EU's common currency.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:10 | 1635456 walküre
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This wasn't an either / or poll.

The Greek default is being priced in AND the Euro will stand as the EU's common currency.

What's my exposure to a Greek default? Well it sucks but hey, at least Olive oil will be priced in Drachmas!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:14 | 1635688 how to trade ar...
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Greek default is nowhere near fully priced in yet, you loon.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:54 | 1635830 LawsofPhysics
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To quote your own article “An angry population will take matters into its own hands, the government will collapse and we may end up with political crisis in a near-bankrupt euro-zone country which nobody will know how to control.”

I can think of more than one population where this could be the case.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:20 | 1635892 how to trade ar...
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I didn't write that line, that's an unnamed Greek cabinet minister (my guess Venizelos) talking to the WSJ.

The point is he's threatening Germans what will happen if they refuse to fund Greece's deficits and debt payments. I don't think Merkel can afford to buckle here. She's going to leave it to the boys of the IMF, for whom brushing off these kinds of threats from backsliding aid recipients is part of the workaday routine. Unless the Greeks change their position, I don't think the troika even bothers to go back to Athens.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:21 | 1635167 Sudden Debt
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Merkel lost already to many elections. Or she's got nothing to lose and will go on risking a revolt

Or she'll try to cut the losses for her party and cut the aid. Which will be more likely.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:01 | 1635396 walküre
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As if the SPD, Grüne, Linke et al would let their Southern amigos starve!

The sensible thing is to let Greece default and move on. Spain and Italy are viable economies with growth potential. Greece is shit!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:33 | 1635537 Rynak
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Actually, linke opposes bailouts and supports partial defaults and breaking up the banks.

And anyways, what does not bailing out the banks have to do with starving the populations? Bailing the banksters out and making the populations pay for it IS what "starves" out the countries, NOT the other way around.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:23 | 1635170 misterc
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I promise you nothing will happen on wednesday. All the judges are party members of CDU/CSU or SPD. You can only get appointed as a constitutional court judge if you are in one of the two major parties (+CSU). Germany = banana republic without bananas.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:25 | 1635192 molecool
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I want my Deutsche Mark back!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:32 | 1635233 redcorona
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Reichsmark - even better.  Get off your knees Germany.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:38 | 1635276 Instant Wealth
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Goldmark Ladies !!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:39 | 1635292 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:58 | 1635380 walküre
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Why? Let's just call it Euro Mark.

Greece has to go. They've got nothing of value and can't afford the Euro. Italy and Spain have large industry and manufacturing capacities.

Greece has nothing. I don't even remember who invited them into the Euro Party? Do you? We should talk to THAT guy!

We could trade Greece for Croatia and / or Turkey. There are better prospects of growth there.

I'm getting really annoyed at the Greek spectacle. It's September 2011 already. Give these guys a kick in the arse and call it a day.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:38 | 1635566 Rynak
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Umm, i think it was us that let them in, because one year after being rejected, they magically fixed all their finances.... of course we had NO way at all of knowing that this stinks... lalala

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:15 | 1635477 Don Diego
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but but Ambrose said the court is independent because it is based in Karlsruhe, far from Berlin..... \ sarc

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:22 | 1635171 chubbar
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What is the point of having a court system if the purpose isn't to uphold the law? If the law is decided on what is politically expedient then just crash the fucker and let's hope we can put together some semblance of a fair system from the ashes. That goes double for the former republic on this side of the ocean.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:55 | 1635365 Aductor
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And what exactly is upholding the law? You can have gazilliions (well, almost) of different interpretations of law, exceptions from main rule based on legal principles, etc for any and each case. You can argue (although I wouldn't) that the law is whatever the Supreme Court, Bundesverfassungsgericht, Conseil Constitutionnel or what have you say it is.

Just saying.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:28 | 1635522 Thomas
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I asked a constitutional scholar--a former Ginsberg clerk--whether the Supreme Court knowingly ignores the constitution. He said "They will never admit it." We discussed the termination of the gold standard as the most obvious. I listened to an audiobook by the Teaching Company on the Bill of Rights and came to the conclusion that precious few aspects of the Constitution are really pinned down solid. It is indeed a living, breathing organism (not unlike athlete's foot on a bad day).

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 21:32 | 1636725 StychoKiller
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"The Dirty Dozen, How Twelve Supreme Court Cases Radically Expanded Government and Eroded Freedom",  ISBN: 978-1-935308-27-0

Jump into the rabbit hole...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:23 | 1635173 snowball777
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- the decision has been reached and leaked

- tre(card)monti was informed the ECB won't be bailing any more italian sewage

- downgrades imminent across the EZ

"...we're gunna run to the party and dance till the rhythm it gets harder

Ba da ba bye bye
Ba da ba bye bye

Me and my girl we got this relationship
I love her so bad, but she treats me like shit
(On lockdown) like a penitentiary
She spreads her lovin all over
and when she gets home
there's none left for me"

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:26 | 1635201 hungarianboy
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Is this real what you've wrote?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:42 | 1635309 snowball777
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Speculation (pun intended) on my part,...but plausible.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:29 | 1635528 Thomas
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(Whoever first posted this really got in my skull.)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:23 | 1635177 jules from aus
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zee Germanz haz europez ballz in their handzies

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:25 | 1635194 GeneMarchbanks
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:11 | 1635459 walküre
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on Greece.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:29 | 1635223 Ecoman11
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In other words, bailouts will resume until war commences.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:38 | 1635283 unum mountaineer
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precisely..look forward to more colorful acronym bailout vocabulary and wars fought being called humanatarian efforts, aids and such other rose colored terms

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:34 | 1635247 Drag Racer
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:36 | 1635261 Religion Explained
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At some point, someone, somewhere is going to say enough. We may just have the when (Sep 7), who (German justices), where (Germany). Yes, pull the f plug.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:39 | 1635290 Instant Wealth
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:42 | 1635310 Roger Knights
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The next thing that could happen would be for the FDP to drop out of Merkel's coalition, provoking a new election. It could win if it ran on the single plank of opposing further bailouts, promising to give ministries to other parties and to resign once the Euro crisis was over, or its approval rating dropped below some percentage for two consecutive polls.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:57 | 1635361 jmc8888
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So just like the American constitution, the german constitution isn't worth shit anymore. (sadly ofc)

If this happens, many Germans are going to be pissed off.

But of course....they'll see nothing....nothing...(before hand)


Something is obviously wrong when instead of doing what's in your constitution, you bend over for the banksters, and instead latch onto more fascism as the alternative to getting what you want. 

It's a bit like saying you should put down the beer in ones hand, but instead you swig it and go grab the bottle of Jack. 

Well, we'll see.  Right now the decision isn't down.



Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:58 | 1635381 Die Weiße Rose
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Great Britain and the USA have far bigger problems and by far greater deficits and Debt-problems than the whole of the Euro-Zone will ever have. The British have been obstructionist ever since Margret Thatcher wanted to rebuilt the Berlin Wall. England and the USA are Not part of the Euro-Zone and therefore their interference is obstructionist and totally unacceptable to anyone that is part of the Euro-Zone. wr ;)

Schröder: Great Britain is causing the biggest problem. Great Britain is not part of the euro, and yet the British always want to have their say in the design of an economic zone. This is inconsistent. And besides, the British have been very skeptical about every integration step, and that's putting it very diplomatically.

SPIEGEL: In reality they've been obstructionists?

Schröder: Yes. I was originally of the opinion that Great Britain could be treated like France. But what was overlooked, also by myself, is that Great Britain still sees itself in a sort of middle position between the United States on one side and Europe on the other. In other words, it's in an "in-between" position. And that is unacceptable.

SPIEGEL: But if nothing works with Great Britain, what role can the British play in the future?

Schröder: The decision on the concrete configuration of the economic government can only be made by members in the euro zone, and not by the Council (the powerful EU institution comprised of European national leaders) as a whole.,1518,784357-2,00.html

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:14 | 1635470 walküre
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UK = Unholy Kingdom of Windsors and Rothschilds

Fuck both of them.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 07:38 | 1636786 i-dog
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Correction: Unholy Kingdom of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (+ Hanover) and Rothschild (of Frankfurt). The UK is a subject territory of the German Reich.

The USA gained its independence from the German Reich (George III of Hanover) in 1776, then lost it again in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was deemed ratified (because a majority of the independent sovereign states would not ratify it).

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:25 | 1635513 ReactionToClose...
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let me get this straight ...... you quote Schroder ..... the German PM who 'negotiated' pipeline wtih Russians as PM ....... then immediately became Director of Gazprom.


Are you kidding me - Schroder has negative credibility to say anything about "Germany' or the UK/USA .... and if I were German ....... I would seek to remove Schroder's German citizenship?


Either you are a 'propagandist' or you are seriously deluded

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:06 | 1635428 english serf
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Fuck shhroder

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:12 | 1635464 ramirez
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And Merkel too. Ooops, I just forgot how ugly she is.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:18 | 1635490 fajensen
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The Court will almost certainly approve the bailouts, fearing that any other decision would spell disaster for the euro.

The court is not asked to consider what might happen to the EUR or "the big picture". The question asked is: "Does the handover of authority over of almost the entire German GDP to foreign powers violate the German constitution"?

I think it does. Most Germans think it does too. If the court allows this it will bring fond memories of the Versailles Treaty.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:23 | 1636046 Tuffmug
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If the Court approves the bailouts via a "BS" decision the politicians may get the green light they want but also the unexpect collapse of public confidence and increased public resistance as the people realize their institutions and national laws are meaningless shams and they are being herded into a "United States of Europe" that only a few power hungry politicians want. This ruling could light a fire under a majority of Germans, Frenchmen, Italians, Spaniards, Dutch, et al. who would NEVER introduce themselves to you as a EUROPEAN.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:25 | 1635516 Azannoth
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They will pull something/anything out of their ass to let the bailouts continue, the court (especially) german court will not be the 1 to put the final nail in the European coffin, now if we where talking Finish court than maybe

To bad Germans where robbed of their soul after WW2

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:29 | 1636058 bankruptcylawyer
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the only force powerful enough to get any people to change the direction of their countyr is not the people's courts or the people's 'reresentatives'. 


it is a demogogue with loyal followers willing to murder and die for their brethren. usually we call these people nationalists of one form or another. 

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 02:01 | 1637350 jhm
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Well. Demagogue we had, austrian one, noisy fellow, did not really work out properly and ended rather unpleasantly for each and everyone.

Oh, and had Emperor before, was allright and rather good and prosperous for quite a time but stumbled stupidly into a useless foreign war, got sacked by the military whilst that war and then thrown out to the dutch by a pseudo-revolution of silly socialists and commies.

Democracy worked quite a while, after all, until useless greedy politicians got into bed with the financial powers too often and tried a silly european takeover with the french and the italians whilst population was too lazy and bloated to prevent that bullshit.

Any other way to interfere in the principal layout of the future without having the grim reaper lurk around all the time and without having to ruin our and our neighbours lifes? Something with more peace and hope and less greed and fear, maybe?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:25 | 1635518 youngman
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I have to practice my Goose step.....

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 03:35 | 1635524 Chestire
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 UPDATE: Repost to own blog EUPublic

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:29 | 1635527 Die Weiße Rose
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Anglophiles and Brits have always been extremely jealous of continental Europe...

even though they would rather live in Spain or the south of France, than on their narrow and rainy little Isle...;)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:04 | 1635658 Herman Strandsc...
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Brits have always travelled as indeed England has many krauts living here. As for being narrow it has many advantages: never far from the seaside and a variety of commerce within easy mileage without the need for overnight stops. But the best bit about Britain is our heritage and fairness, and people of integrity and friendliness. Unlike the dictatorial and grey continentals, of course. You can shove your EU flag up where you don't like it.

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