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Operation Twist Expectations (or LSAD) Returning With A Vengeance Explains Today's Moves In Stocks And Gold

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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:47 | 1596339 gatorontheloose
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just about everything (incl PMs) just got bid at 15:30 except TLT   lol what a joke

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:51 | 1596349 OuaisBla
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Is it the time when contracts settle for the day on the NYMEX.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:49 | 1596860 egdeh orez
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Hey Tyler,

I have another way of explaining the move in stocks, gold and treasuries.  Please tell me why you think I'm wrong.

I think that the market is saying that there's no QE3 imminent.  Investors had been buying treasuries and gold in expectation of QE3... those investors now think there's no QE3 so they sell gold and the 10yr (which was the maturity that they think would've been the target of QE3).  As for why stocks is moving up?  It always moves up on low volume days so that's telling us nothing.

Is my scenario possible?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 18:23 | 1596947 slewie the pi-rat
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tyler is drinking heavily.  again

yep, it's certainly "possible" as the cause or "a cause" but that is speculation as we hear by talking heads saying "the price of tea in china went down, today, because..."

tyler is not speculating as to cause and effect, here, if i read him correctly

he is talking about correlation, not causation

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 20:48 | 1597586 CosmicBuddha
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I thought the gold dip was brought about by margin hikes.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:45 | 1596848 Waffen
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Does anyone have a good interpretation that we can understand?


This is what I have gleened, am I right?


Near Term


30 year rates lower

10 year rates higher

2 year rates 0%

Result = this will pop bond bubble and send people into stocks


Stocks up

Result = metals down (as idiot fund managers leave safe haven)


Now after a short while (no idea how long that is supposed to be) (this is still very foggy to me) somehow the unicorns and rainbows actually expand the money supply and the MOMOs finally catch on and metals go back up. (my mind is still full of fuck with this part)


can someone please explain this shit?



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 18:07 | 1596909 Bubba Schwartz
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Bernankster thinks that by artificially avoiding the inverted yield curve we can avoid recession.  Talk about grabbing at straws.  The further a market is from being able to realistically price a product, the more unstable the market becomes.

This is nuckin' futs. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 18:31 | 1596972 CrashisOptimistic
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This whole scenario is unlikely.

Selling long duration instruments to drive up those rates would destroy what little housing market remains.  

This is speculation.  I don't see it coming.

I think Bernanke will discuss some innovative maneuvers and buy no bonds whatsoever, and certainly not sell any.

He's inventing bullets.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:03 | 1598382 zhandax
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This whole scenario is unlikely.

Actually, it could have a prayer of working if it didn't collapse the system (how that happens is at the bottom).

At first glance one would think that the last thing to do when extending duration is selling 30s.  I was also thrown off by the expression 'pancake the 10s30s'.  I think the plan Tyler is hinting at is to bring the 10y yield down to ~parity with the 2y and push up the 30y yield.  You would expect this to produce a ~2+% mortgage rate.  If even that doesn't stimulate the housing market it may at least prompt some hedge funds to try house flipping.

I don't have the weighted duration of the Fed's holdings on the top of my head, but do recall that most of their purchases were in the belly of the curve.  Rolling those out to 10y in sufficient volume to bring the 10y to parity with the 2y will increase weighted duration, even while dumping $1.6B in 30s assuming that figure, quoted somewhere in here, is correct.

Where the doomsday scenario appears is coupling this with the drop of IOER to 0%.  I wrote elsewhere in 2008 that the Bernank had constructed himself a rheostat for the money multiplier.  Dropping IOER to 0% is the equivalent of cranking the stero all the way up.  In college, that would get you kicked out of the dorm.  In real life 2012, that will send gold to $5000/oz. along with food, gas, and everything else.   Sweeping $1.7T in excess reserves into the ecomony, even it it just gets parked into securities, will blow the roof off of prices and drive the last nail into the coffin of anyone not in the top 1%.  And this fucktard thinks he can stop inflation in 15 minutes.

There may be another $100 downside to gold if it takes a day or so to digest the implications, and you damn well better be loading the boat.  May be the last chance to get it cheap.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:50 | 1596346 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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someone fill me in on what he means by synthetic duration extension??

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:54 | 1596361 Brian
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I second this request.  In fact, I'd love to have a layman's description of what "Operation Twist" really means, and how it acts to add liquidity or otherwise function as Quantitative Easing.  I can't find a real discussion of this anywhere...


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:02 | 1596395 Bob
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How many billion in long Treasuries are on the Fed balance sheet?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 18:16 | 1596931 slewie the pi-rat
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1,600 Bil$

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:37 | 1596498 Duffminster
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Tyler, for some reason this link keeps coming up "blank" from where I sit.  Must be getting a lot of hits or else something else is wrong.   Hope you move ZH to a fully scalable system that adapts and use the indepdent servers just for backup to protect from the likely suspects.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:10 | 1596697 smlbizman
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how about this operation twist....the bernank gs, jpm, bac et al are walking in the desert and gs, jpm,bac, et als. get bit by a deadly snake in the dick...they send ben to the doc to save them {qe3}...doc says you have to suck out all venom and they will live....ben gets back , what the doc say....doc says your all gonna die.....so how are the chairs restructured if ben sacrifices his boys...no qe...

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:48 | 1596857 Rick64
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:50 | 1596572 BlackholeDivestment
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...so what yerr saying is, we are in Dire Straits Twisting By The Pool, dark pool ...that is. lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMX_B8Iumsg

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:14 | 1596718 Poetic injustice
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This video contains content from UMG. It is not available in your country.


There you go, music owners do hate Europe :P

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:07 | 1596679 narnia
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I don't see how weighting the Fed's balance sheet with shorter maturities is creating a synthetic bond...  unless the Fed went into a net short position in the 10s & 30s.

The Fed sees an obvious liquidity preference (and people still perceive these instruments as liquid).  Driving down the short term to worthless & forcing anyone chasing yield into falling longer term maturities is exactly what the Treasury wants.  Plus, the Fed makes a profit on the sales, which it can use for future monetization... which is coming.


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 23:05 | 1598013 Jvee
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Riddle me this batman-

S&P downgrades long term and says short term still ok. Based upon this - the 10 yr "should" rally and the 30 "shoulld" sell off with BurnHankee's sleazy prints no where to be found- but I'm sure that our ratings agencies and politicians would never try to pull something like that

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:00 | 1596392 uranian
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your starter for 10.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:02 | 1596396 jm
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Bond futures have to be delivered.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:58 | 1596643 At120
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The Fed has a ton of MBSs from QE1 and QE-Lite.

Mortgage rates are strongly influenced by the yield of the 10 year bond.

As we continue to move into a recession, more people are likely to default on their mortgages.  This would screw the Fed further.

The Fed plans on buying lots of 10 years to keep the 10 year rate absurdly low.  The goal is for people to then refinance their ARMS into fixed products that have monthly costs that are a lot easier for Joe Blow American to deal with.  Obviously, this requires some ball playing from the banks, since most of these mortgages are massively underwater.

They plan to somehow offset this by not buying shorter duration bonds, like the 2 year, causing those rates to rise.  This willl likely also cause outside / international money to flow back into shorter term securities. 

This can also be considered QE 2.5.  By buying as many 10 years as they can, the Fed will be monetizing debt again.  The primary dealers (the big banks) will once again buy as many 10 years as they can in the auctions and then flip them back to the Fed for a profit. 

Unlike QE2, there is no definable finite end to this program (although it's likely to go through to 2013 once ZIRP disappears) and by starting this, they could go over their head on the purchase of 10 years.  At least w QE2, the Fed already had a defined limit for how many bonds they would buy.  In this case, they will continue to purchasing as many 10 years as necessary to keep the yield down to their predetermined amount.



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:03 | 1596398 hunglow
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Composite strap-on but I'm only guessing.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:51 | 1596347 Turd Ferguson
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"It also explains why gold is being sold off today, because simplistic investors believe that without an actual balance sheet expansion, the Fed will not be diluting paper. Completely wrong: it will merely do so synthetically, from a duration basis. Furthermore, the market will very soon read through the Fed's intention which will be predicated entirely on asset rotation and not on incremental fiat capital."

I'd also add this as a very real possibility:


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:06 | 1596415 trav7777
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so the Fed is going to reverse repo cash to the banks?  Aren't the NBRs the banks' cash?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:08 | 1596425 Sudden Debt
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That's the first easy to read article about all this shit I've seen all day.

Thx Turd!


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:37 | 1596500 Hooligan
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Tyler, I don't know what your relationship is (if any) to a guy that I hear on the radio at 5:00 PM in Atlanta on AM 1190. His name is Bill Tatro, and I swear he blatantly steals material from this site everyday.

http://www.moneyradio1510.com/Audio-Archive?id=4032 Listen for yourself....

Turd, Nice article... Tatro is claiming this reverse repo idea is his as well.....

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:38 | 1596512 OpenEyes
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CME just hiked margins on gold by 27%!  Sorry no link, just a bulliten on Marketwatch

looks like another dip to buy tomorrow.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:41 | 1596520 Sean7k
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Thanks Turd. Nice article.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:48 | 1596571 centerline
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I would think it would also suggest that anything moving against the banking sector - such as massive foreclosure issues for example - need to be swept under the rug awhile longer to avoid any hits to capital.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:51 | 1596587 Stax Edwards
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Excellent Find Turd.  This would explain the "testing" of RR's the fed initiated here a couple of weeks back.  I had not figured out why they were wanting to test a liquidity draining mechanism during a liquidity crunch.  Still trying to grasp the implications of this as monetary policy becomes harder and harder to decode.  I can't swear I fully grasp the implications even now.   Bullish for GS I am sure......  Disclosure:  Going long residential real estate.  Prices in FL are back to the mid 80's, for real.  Growing tired of these phony paper markets.  F'n impossible to decode anymore.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:51 | 1596592 Ag1761
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Does this mean they will prolong the reset now and PM's will dip even more?

I bought a wad of silver this week at $43, never thought I'd see it below $40 again, now testing $39 ffs.

Where will it go over the next month, I've given up trying to predict this market.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 17:37 | 1596814 nyse
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Everyone keeps saying that the Fed is out of bullets. But each time they have said this in the past, the Fed has simply used a new gun. This a great article and I appreciate you sharing it.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:52 | 1596353 Sudden Debt
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so... there won't be a happy ending?

buggar.... buggar buggar buggar....


Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:54 | 1596357 RobotTrader
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25 consecutive days of -1000 TICKs, that is a new record by a long shot.

Through yesterday, a -1300 TICK 6 consecutive days, unheard of.



Will be interesting to see how strong of a rally we get out of these lows based on the "panic" selling that has occurred the last month.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:56 | 1596375 fuu
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How does "panic" last for a month?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:04 | 1596409 fyrebird
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Panic just needs to find a new host every few days, that's all. This shit is easy for the real playerz.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:54 | 1596360 LawsofPhysics
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Tyler - bullish on equities, who would have thunk it?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:56 | 1596374 Tyler Durden
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Read the full post.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:04 | 1596405 LawsofPhysics
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Forgot my < sarc > flag.  Didn't mean to scare you.  This is basically "paper on paper" porn.  Very inflationary, serious about that this time, not being sarcastic.  Very inflationary, the 70's will be remembered as the good old days.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:36 | 1596473 hedgeless_horseman
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Stocks are only going to go up in nominal terms, not real terms.

Want real inflation data?  I went shopping for school supplies for my kids yesterday.

One 3-ring binder w/ 80 sheets of college rule paper...$15.09!


Durable front and back plastic covers!!!!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:40 | 1596517 Stax Edwards
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WTF?  Is that really what supplies cost these days? Jeebus, glad I aint got kids.  That is downright awful.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:54 | 1596611 Trimmed Hedge
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Sure, at first glance it might seem a little pricey.

But then again, it is rated 5 stars. (Probably not by Standard & Poor's, though.)



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:41 | 1596522 FubarNation
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Stop shopping at Whole Foods for your kids school supplies then.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:56 | 1596629 hedgeless_horseman
Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:42 | 1596526 fyrebird
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Yeah but it says right on the cover that it's a hybrid.

You pay more for any kind of hybrid technology these days. Toyota and Ford just entered into a deal. Hybrids will be everywhere.

Oh. Wait ...

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:54 | 1596617 Ag1761
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Yeah, the passenger side has a shorter half life than the driver side

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:54 | 1596362 vast-dom
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stay present. stay patient. all of your shorts will fluctuate but in the medium term you shall all make killings.

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