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Originally posted at Reason.com (via Richmond Times-Dispatch),

The past several weeks have made one thing crystal-clear: Our country faces unmitigated disaster if the Other Side wins.

No reasonably intelligent person can deny this. All you have to do is look at the way the Other Side has been running its campaign. Instead of focusing on the big issues that are important to the American People, it has fired a relentlessly negative barrage of distortions, misrepresentations, and flat-out lies.

Just look at the Other Side’s latest commercial, which take a perfectly reasonable statement by the candidate for My Side completely out of context to make it seem as if he is saying something nefarious. This just shows you how desperate the Other Side is and how willing it is to mislead the American People.

The Other Side also has been hammering away at My Side to release certain documents that have nothing to do with anything, and making all sorts of outrageous accusations about what might be in them. Meanwhile, the Other Side has stonewalled perfectly reasonable requests to release its own documents that would expose some very embarrassing details if anybody ever found out what was in them. This just shows you what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

Naturally, the media won’t report any of this. Major newspapers and cable networks jump all over anything they think will make My Side look bad. Yet they completely ignore critically important and incredibly relevant information that would be devastating to the Other Side if it could ever be verified.

I will admit the candidates for My Side do make occasional blunders. These usually happen at the end of exhausting 19-hour days and are perfectly understandable. Our leaders are only human, after all. Nevertheless, the Other Side inevitably makes a big fat deal out of these trivial gaffes, while completely ignoring its own candidates’ incredibly thoughtless and stupid remarks – remarks that reveal the Other Side’s true nature, which is genuinely frightening.

My Side has produced a visionary program that will get the economy moving, put the American People back to work, strengthen national security, return fiscal integrity to Washington, and restore our standing in the international community. What does the Other Side have to offer? Nothing but the same old disproven, discredited policies that got us into our current mess in the first place.

Don’t take my word for it, though. I recently read about an analysis by an independent, nonpartisan organization that supports My Side. It proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that everything I have been saying about the Other Side was true all along. Of course, the Other Side refuses to acknowledge any of this. It is too busy cranking out so-called studies by so-called experts who are actually  nothing but partisan hacks. This just shows you that the Other Side lives in its own little echo chamber and refuses to listen to anyone who has not already drunk its Kool-Aid.

Let’s face it: The Other Side is held hostage by a radical, failed ideology. I have been doing some research on the Internet, and I have learned this ideology was developed by a very obscure but nonetheless profoundly influential writer with a strange-sounding name who enjoyed brief celebrity several decades ago. If you look carefully, you can trace nearly all the Other Side’s policies for the past half-century back to the writings of this one person.

To be sure, the Other Side also has been influenced by its powerful supporters. These include a reclusive billionaire who has funded a number of organizations far outside the political mainstream; several politicians who have said outrageous things over the years; and an alarmingly large number of completely clueless ordinary Americans who are being used as tools and don’t even know it.

These people are really pathetic, too. The other day I saw a YouTube video in which My Side sent an investigator and a cameraman to a rally being held by the Other Side, where the investigator proceeded to ask some real zingers. It was hilarious! First off, the people at the rally wore T-shirts with all kinds of lame messages that they actually thought were really clever. Plus, many of the people who were interviewed were overweight, sweaty, flushed, and generally not very attractive. But what was really funny was how stupid they were. There is no way anyone could watch that video and not come away convinced the people on My Side are smarter, and that My Side is therefore right about everything.

Besides, it’s clear that the people on the Other Side are driven by mindless anger – unlike My Side, which is filled with passionate idealism and righteous indignation. That indignation, I hasten to add, is entirely justified. I have read several articles in publications that support My Side that expose what a truly dangerous group the Other Side is, and how thoroughly committed it is to imposing its radical, failed agenda on the rest of us.

That is why I believe 2012 is, without a doubt, the defining election of our lifetime. The difference between My Side and the Other Side could not be greater. That is why it absolutely must win on November 6.

 


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Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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<--- Biden/Rangol '16

<--- Palin/Christie '16

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Michael
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A commenter from yesterday had some great insight on this subject;

Political implications of the future currency crisis:

 FACT IS >>>>> WE ARE GOING OFF A CLIFF WITH EITHER OBAMA OR ROMNEY.  It is too late to change course.  And Repubs endorsing a gold standard is laughable.  We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years.  As soon as we loose our reserve currency status, our rates will spike and we will be TOAST.

Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office.  I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.

Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following:  Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama?  Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?

I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration.  This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state. 

 But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.

Therefore I will be voting for the man that is the furthest from my point of view.  Obama.  I think a collapse in his term would be better, he will get the blame and rightly so.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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It's all Jimmy Carter's fault.

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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Personally, I blame Woodrow Wilson.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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I will personally be happy with either candidate. My only worry was that Ron Paul would get the nomination for Republican Nominee, which would have been disastrous for American economic and foreign policy. In my opinion, Ron Paul should never have been allowed to take part in the presidential race in the first place. His views are simply despicable and completely contrary to American values and morality. I’m all for a free society, but when presidential candidates start talking about abolishing the Federal Reserve, somebody’s got to draw the line.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Colombian Gringo
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Why not deposit both sides into the trash bin of history, and start anew?  How much worse could it really get?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment vato poco
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And while we're wishing for stuff, why not let everyone live in a nice big house? With a *pony*!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Mitt has many nice big houses and his pony can dance.

Americans love shit like that.

Vote R&R early and often!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Therefore I will be voting for the man that is the furthest from my point of view.  Obama.  I think a collapse in his term would be better, he will get the blame and rightly so.

It will make absolutely no difference to the outcome whomever you vote for, Michael.

But I take your point.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment sickofthepunx
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"Voting is a meaningless exercise and is only there to give the illusion that you make a difference because you have a choice"

-G. Carlin

 

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Michael
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I actually do believe a democrat party in power will go easier on us during the economic collapse, because the libs can scream louder than the repubs and the repub sheeple like torture more.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Leopold B. Scotch
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While a great piece, it should pay some thanks to the Onion for the orginal sports editorial, My Team vs. the Other Team.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment trebuchet
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Yeah, but, but, ... if   erm..... if its his fault, then its got to be bullish, right ?

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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What's the RIGHT side?

THE TRUTH: http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 00:30 | Link to Comment Michael
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Must see video, really;

Media Military Complex- Same 6 owners for Media & Defense Ron Paul coverage investigative journ pt 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_bjew709I&feature=plcp

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 00:55 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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"I’m all for a free society, but when presidential candidates start talking about abolishing the Federal Reserve, somebody’s got to draw the line."

Time to update MDB's Greatest Hits

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 02:45 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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I'm gonna vote 4 the most human of the 2 Reptilians.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 03:11 | Link to Comment Michael
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I don't know about that Rand Paul in the 2016 race.

Maybe he's doing that go along to get along thing recently.

I think he has to get so many stars before he can move up.  It's a mathematical equation thing the Senate adheres to in order to determine who gets to move up and at what time frame within their parties.

Hopefully he's voting for the most innocuous things he thinks he can get away with when considering the Paulies, so he can get some stars.

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 04:11 | Link to Comment Michael
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Let me see if I get this strait;

The Federal Reserve is handing its corporate member banks on a silver platter hundreds of billions of dollars in free money. That's what the 28 trillion dollars is for?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 04:57 | Link to Comment Michael
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DAVID ROCKEFELLER THANKS MEDIA FOR ITS SILENCE

“… it would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government …” – David Rockefeller in Baden-Baden, Germany 1991, thanking major media for keeping secret for decades the movement of the prophetic one world government.

 


Thanks for Keeping Secrets, MSM Loves David Rockefeller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XIU5P-j9hRs

 

I think John D. Rockefeller Sr. could not have bred a more heinous human being, except for his brother.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 08:33 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Game Over Man, GAME OVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 05:21 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Hmm, heads I vote for Kang, tails I vote for Kodos...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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I think it gets alot more complicated than that though. Different regional groups might go ape shit in different ways. Eastern Seaboard is all federal from Boston to Richmond and could never rebel. Still leaves the rest of the country though. Dems might be able to reign in the southern border but Romney has got a better chance with the Mormons. I don't trust the Mormons with whatever is currently stashed under Dugway WMD proving grounds. Black President might actually mean something if things go wrong in the inner cities.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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I'm going on a tour of New York City and hope to see the Statue of Democracy there.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:54 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Be careful of the fired womens attire employees up there, one of them went postal today and killed someone.

Be especially careful of law enforcement showing up to kill him...they wounded 12 taking him out ;-)

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 02:46 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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I'm going with Obama.  What do I have to lose?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 07:12 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Hope?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:56 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Voting is a meaningless exercise if you vote for someone you don't like - aka for one of the two major candidates.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment kornholio
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george carlin is god  LOL

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Fail2Deliver
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I like ponies

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:49 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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What's this I hear about living in a big house with a ponyboy?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:04 | Link to Comment PSEUDOLOGOI
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Unicorns are better...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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NUKE the BIS that will make them shit their pants, we (free people) decide how the collapse should happen not them.

In our collapse they wont be holding anything of value when it's over. If they cause the collapse they will just start it all over again wealthier than before the collapse with the same gangsters calling the shots.

 BIS and all central bank buildings in every country that is aligned with the gangsters. Should be targeted for destruction.

A lot less will die than the WW3 they are planning for us.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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I'm sure you are jesting, but you really oughta be careful, or you're gonna wind up like that soldier vet on Facebook who found himself carted off to a psyche ward!

You post great comments, and we don't want to lose ya.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 05:53 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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I'm just writing science fiction. Because none of what I write about can be proven as fact then what I write about is not true. The "godfather" was fiction based on the early days of italian gangsters taken from reality. What i write about is my imagination, or so other posters tell me. My writing is based on something that does not exist, Criminal Jews controlling the Banking, defense,energy and military industries. Owning and controlling all governments and politicians that borrow from them. Come on now think how can that be real why would we just not eliminate the cancer if that was reality? They are not a nation of men but a corporation of individuals who steal their wealth from the rest of the individuals on the planet for their benefit and profit. They have no standing army ,navy or airforce to enforce this reality so how can this possibly be real?

Writing fiction about reality "godfather". Writing  about a Criminal Jewish Banking Cartel conspiracy that does not exist is Science Fiction.

If you believe otherwise then your just creating a conspiracy.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Leopold B. Scotch
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The Fed is evil by conception.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Michael
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The Federal Reserve is the root of all evil.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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well ther might be a few powerful "families" behind the fed that are at the root's root. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Doubleguns
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The roots root is called the tap root. Where they tap into your paycheck.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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Despite all the conspiracy theories you hear about the Federal Reserve, there really couldn’t be an institution more deserving of our praise and respect. Since it’s establishment in 1913, our Federal Reserve bank has tirelessly pursued it’s dual mandate for maximum employment and price stability. Much of the economic development in America over the last century has been a direct result of our monetary officials’ sound monetary policy and wise economic planning. The institution is run by academics of the highest calibre, who have a vast knowledge of economic theory and rigorous understanding of economic principles. The most ingenious aspect of the Federal Reserve act was that the bank was specifically set up to be independent of congress. The founders believed that this was the only way to ensure that the Federal Reserve could pursue its dual mandate without corruption arising from congressional interference. 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment narapoiddyslexia
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Bwahahahhahahahahhahahahha......

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Leopold B. Scotch
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Satire clearly too deep for some people.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Or too mind numbingly repetitive for some people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIyXJxPFVz4

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:47 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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or maybe we just love hitting that red arrow

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I'll bet $16 trillion on MDB to win.......sonofabitch......I think he's going to pull it off!

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:55 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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I'm well aware that it's Satire, but there are lot of newer folk's that are far too lost to grasp it. 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 04:33 | Link to Comment Obadiah
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Let "them" eat cake

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Optimystic
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What are you smoking? 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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Obviously something a lot more subtle,

and more sophisticated,

than you are.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment DavidC
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MDB,
You are brilliantly hilarious sometimes, keep up the good work!

DvidC

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:33 | Link to Comment eatapeach
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He is brilliant, indeed. But I am confused about how I ought vote his comments.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 00:02 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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Read them in George Carlin's voice, and you'll know how.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment samsara
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Sounds like perfectly written prose by a professional disinformationalist.

 

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Yah, and if he continues this disinformation shtick, more and more idiots will come to believe it is true.

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment SAME AS IT EVER WAS
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WTF, and I really mean WTF????

I am now convinced million dollar troll-tard is nothing but a computer program-probably the worlds most valuable company's very own SIRI.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment machineh
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Stop goofing off on the internets, Ben, and get back down to Open Markets Desk boiler room.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment 1C3-N1N3
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You underestimate the number of FED mandates.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment PhD
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Well done! :D

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Ganja Jane
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Corruption from Congress as opposed to what? Corruption from a few greedy narcissistic inbreads with a superiority complex  and a lustful hate of humanity?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment TraitorsHang
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Once enough people "get" you're MO, you might have to actually say what you think to earn those downvotes. :-)
+1

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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MDB will be working for MSNBC writing 4 minute "Infflash" reels while the rest of us are in FEMA camps. While we sit here incriminating ourselves MDB is working his way up to the necessary levels cognitive dissonance to not only survive but possibly even score pussy in the world that is coming.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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That world isn't going to happen. Central Planners can plan everything out all they wish, but it will not happen how they think it will. 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 13:16 | Link to Comment hangemhigh
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TO: MDB  @    Fri,   8/24/2012   15:05    2734837

"Despite all the conspiracy theories you hear about the Federal Reserve, there really couldn’t be an institution more deserving of our praise and respect. Since it’s establishment in 1913, our Federal Reserve bank has tirelessly pursued it’s dual mandate for maximum employment and price stability."

yo, mdb, i know you wuz in a hurry when you wrote this cause you had to  do that quick costume change thing to get out of your mdb avatar and into your restore-our-future- gig.  since  i always got your flack side, doggie, i went ahead and made a few simple fixes to re-state what we all know you really trying to say:  

Despite all the complacent theories you hear about  the Federal Reserve, there really couldn’t be an institution more deserving of our mistrust.   Since it’s establishment in 1913, our Federal Reserve bank has tirelessly pursued it’s dual fear and loathing mandate of economic folly and price fixing of money.     Most of the economic destruction  in America over the last century has been a direct result of our monetary officials’ catastrophic monetary policy and command and control economic planning. The institution is run by degreed quacks of the lowest order, who have a vast misunderstanding of economic theory and no comprehension of real world economic  principles. The most disingenious aspect of the Federal Reserve act was that the bank was specifically set up to be independent of congress. The freebooting founders believed that this was a cunning, core-slime way to ensure that the Federal Reserve could pursue its dual mandate of elitist malfeasance aided and abetted by a corrupt, compliant congress.    

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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Hey, sorry to interrupt but you've got a dingleberry squished on your nose.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 02:21 | Link to Comment HyperinflatmyNutts
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This guy MDB gets a lot of u all riled up but u have to read between his lines.  He really is very slick with his Sarcasm.  

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 03:03 | Link to Comment nicxios
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Haahahaha Green arrow fo' sho'

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 03:08 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Enjoy the comments however....

"The founders believed that this was the only way to ensure that the Federal Reserve..."

Founders of the United States? If this were the case, one would think we would have had the Fed Chartered prior to 1913

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 06:44 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Founders of the Fed, Rothschild lackeys all.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Government is the root of most all evil.

The Federal Reserve is just an enabler.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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the root of all evil was the king who let money counterfeiters on his court, because the king could not raise more taxes from the peasantry because they were on the edge already, but the king had to defend his country from the the enemy and he needed to pay for weapons and soldiers...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment logicalman
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That's always been their excuse.

Unfortunately the uneducated fall for it EVERY time.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Evil? The Fed? No, it can't be. The Fed enables the perpetuity of the democratic system. It sustains your right to vote. Long Live the Fed.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 04:10 | Link to Comment Michael
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Let me see if I get this strait;

The Federal Reserve is handing its corporate member banks on a silver platter hundreds of billions of dollars in free money. That's what the 28 trillion dollars is for?

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 07:25 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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I'd say it was for the purpose of buying the politicians, whom you purport to be the unbiased arbiter of liberty if you cast a vote in their favor. Talk about being blind-sided by ideological fantasy.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment malikai
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MDB for president.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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We have million dollar buttholes for presidents' now.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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MDB  must have got a glimpse of that book that the presidents get to read after their sworn in and is excercising the inverse rehtoric tactic that seems to piss off all the dumbshits here on zerohizzles.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:09 | Link to Comment bankruptcylawyer
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i guess the reason i've never loved mdb all that much is that sarcasm can set in too deaply an then make one feel impotent.

laughing it off like you cannot do anything sometimes makes me sad. a stronger person might take mdb's sarcasm at face value and continue going about their daily self directed life.

but for people who still depend on the host for their living (----billing hours /fees-- to investors in the ecosystem of wall street) -----it doesn't make me feel all that 'empowered'.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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mmm you must unlearn what you have learned.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment NoClueSneaker
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... at least he can't make it worse ... Obamney is second in the Hall Of Fame . ( Woodrow Wilson is the champ ). 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Anglo Hondo
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This is not a gay thing (assuming MDB is actually male), but, MDB, I LOVE YOU.

 

How you can come up with this crap consistently is amazing.

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment buckethead
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He simply has the ability to convey the pre-existing subtext of the two party tyranny system

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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I am starting to think MDB is neither a 'he' nor a 'she' but an 'it'.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:49 | Link to Comment putaipan
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yeah....i read tranny too.

 

PLEASE..EVERYONE....DON'T VOTE! GO TO YOUR POLLING STATION WITH A SIGN SAYING WHATEVER YOU FEEL. WHATEVER. EXPRESS YOURSELF.  BUT ,PLEASE, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T CAST YOUR LOT WITH EITHER OF THESE TW0 IGNORANT EVILS ! YOU KNOW BETTER!

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Michael
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What about the other couple dozen people on the ballot?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Sequitur
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"His views are simply despicable and completely contrary to American values and morality."

Came a little too strong with the bolded words. More believable if you chopped the hyperbole:  "His views are contrary to American values and morality."

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment StackAttack
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Sorry, MDB.  I gave you -1 since you failed to get a single person to bite.  I knew it was you halfway through the second sentence.  It was a good effort, but you fell short.  Are you losing your edge or something?  Thanks for all of the wonderful bait so far, though.  I have thoroughly enjoyed it.

STACK ATTACK!!!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment toady
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I usually just do an up or down arrow, but I must say, that is one impressive piece of jargon. And it mirrors the responses I've received during discussions about Ron Paul.

Bravo!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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You're getting really good at this!

Some of the slickest bullshit laid out for all to read and you do it time after time.  Kudos!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment hussaifa
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You are a COMPLETE idiot.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Xanadu_doo
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May be an MDB top ten.

nicely played, sir...

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:46 | Link to Comment putaipan
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with all deference to mr.lennon hendrix for starting the"crash jp diamond-buy metals" meme and mr.tyler durden for hosting him and mr.keiser for appropriating said mention.....may i take this opporotunity to respond to mr. beeeelion dollar bailout for the first time and start a nwe one-

 

(meme, that is-)

 

PLEASE..EVERYONE....DON'T VOTE! GO TO YOUR POLLING STATION WITH A SIGN SAYING WHATEVER YOU FEEL. WHATEVER. EXPRESS YOURSELF.  BUT ,PLEASE, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T CAST YOUR LOT WITH EITHER OF THESE TW0 IGNORANT EVILS ! YOU KNOW BETTER!

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 03:04 | Link to Comment theprofromdover
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Which piece of you is for a free society?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Not going to change overnight but step one is to stop the bleeding and that means socialist Obama needs to be shown the door.  I'm not saying Romney/Ryan can save it, probably cannot, but will definately be better at managing the mess that results from the economic collapse.  The more difficult part of the equation is Harry Reid and the democratic senate.  If they still have control of that then there will be nasty grid-lock and we will be much worse off trying to fix the mess...

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Nicely put, that is my take as well.  + 1

Even with Romney/Ryan, you should still be buying gold & silver.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Got my stash and just added at the last dip ...  good luck...

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:03 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Forget gold and silver for now, American Beauty pasta is on sale for 49 cents a pound at Frys grocery this week. 

Obamney 2012, Hasten the Collapse

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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Do chen are you feeling ok, I think you mught have had a small stroke. you seem a little off today.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Ugh. It isn't socialism and it isn't Marxism. It is a uniquely American version of fascism led by the banking oligarchs, enforced by the military industrial complex and the police state, and sold to us by the media. It's big finance, big military and corporate media... All incestuous corporations, cross pollinated, to create the mess we are in. Stopping "socialism" is a distraction sold to a group of "have nots" who have been corralled into believing that the Republicans are on their side.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment SAME AS IT EVER WAS
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How about Shadow Fascism whereby lobbyists are the new appointed "representatives" or maybe fash-ill-ism.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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It takes time for the masses to see what is obvious to me. Obama is a bad man. Did they have cameras and drones watching their own people in Nazi Germany and/or in the former Soviet Union? Can't be good either way.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment buckethead
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Heap strong medicine.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:53 | Link to Comment putaipan
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PLEASE..EVERYONE....DON'T VOTE! GO TO YOUR POLLING STATION WITH A SIGN SAYING WHATEVER YOU FEEL. WHATEVER. EXPRESS YOURSELF.  BUT ,PLEASE, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T CAST YOUR LOT WITH EITHER OF THESE TW0 IGNORANT EVILS ! YOU KNOW BETTER!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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You are an idiot. Republicans are busy getting personhood bills through congress not fixing the fucking economy. You think Paul Ryan is a good VP? His last job was as a personal trainer. He PRAYS FOR BALANCED BUDGETS AND DOESN"T BELIEVE IN ABORTION FOR VICTIMS OF INCEST OR RAPE. Do you think abolishing capital gains is going to help anyone but hedge fund managers? Who was the last Republican candidate whose economic policies made even a modicum of sense? I don't think Obama is a great president but MITT ROMNEY? Are you fucking kidding me? A rich asshole mormon who can't take a stand on anything? Republicans are desperate and I'm liking it. You think corporations are going to start hiring again if Romney gets elected? Maybe repatriate those windfall profits/sidelined cash? Republicans are generally religious which make them really fucking gullible.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Team Red is as exactly wrong as Team Blue.

And that is really, really wrong.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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Yeah lets pretend there is some viable fantast third party. What if Hitler choked on bratwurst?????? Understand there are only two choices both suboptimal with different payoffs but only TWO.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:51 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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You have fallen for the false Hegelian dialectic.  They make sure there are only two sides of the debate, both of which they control, and then they can guide everyone towards a "synthesis" which is the worst of both worlds.  But if you think just a little, you will find there are always other choices outside of the Matrix.  ZeroHedge can help create a new Hegelian dialectic:  Take all your chips and go home, or flip the table? 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:55 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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This isn't philosophy. You aren't a Getman Jew. Stop. No one is starting a revolution. This is just another example of how philosophical constructs have no practical meaning. Read Wittegenstein and get back to me but the election will have passed and your third party will not have materialized (an example of the future perfect tense in English). I'm really fucking tired of religious assholes and/or philosophers on Zero Hedge. Go molest someone or believe in the fucking boogeyman. 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 02:10 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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LOL! You say that this isn't philosophy then tell him to go read a philosopher. You can't even formulate a logical statement. 

 

You're not worth saving, you're a moron that deserves what he gets for being outright hostile and ignorant to those that were polite and civil towards you. Just another know-it-all. 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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You have a keen mind particularly when it comes to parsing sarcasm. Juxtaposing anti-phiosphy with a philosopher's name is much too abstruse for your god fearing quarterbrain. Here is a good investment of your time. Work hard at a highly skilled but high paying job. Use your money to marry a trophy wife and have only daughters. Once the progeny are 17/18 give me all your money and let me fuck your aging but still attracive wife and your daughters. Get a knife, stab your brain, and exsanguinate. I recall a white house dinner under Bush where Steven Colbert was invited? Did you mail those invites? I can't formulate a logical statement. Really? "You're not worth saving" Now you are getting into pure comedy. Are you a fucking comedian or waiting for salvation by the computer screen?

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:54 | Link to Comment putaipan
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PLEASE..EVERYONE....DON'T VOTE! GO TO YOUR POLLING STATION WITH A SIGN SAYING WHATEVER YOU FEEL. WHATEVER. EXPRESS YOURSELF.  BUT ,PLEASE, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T CAST YOUR LOT WITH EITHER OF THESE TW0 IGNORANT EVILS ! YOU KNOW BETTER!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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"I don't think Obama is a great President..."

Holy shit you have to be kidding me... that is the understatement of the fucking millenium. Obama is one giant Marxist clusterfuck who really doesn't like anything about the country he leads, and is actively running it into the ground. Normally you ascribe to stupidity what you are are tempted to ascribe to venality, but in this case, Occam's razor actually supports the idea that Obama is destroying the country ON PURPOSE, because even a mental retard choosing randomly would make the right choices 50% of the time. There is virtually no public information about where he came from, how he got into college, what colleges he actually attended what his grades were, or how he supported himself for 40+ years. Admitted drug abuser. Lots of credible evidence that he is a committed Marxist, but you won't see that anywhere in the MSM.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Romney but at least he's a real person who came from somewhere and has actually had to earn his own keep in the world.

And, Romney doesn't have a 4-year track record of ACTIVELY SUBVERTING THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.

Son of a bitch.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:27 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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Romney came from somewhere? You mean a privaleged mormon vagina? Are you another birther lunatic/boys with Trump? Your right. Romney doesn't have a 4 year track record of subverting the Presidency just industry, health care, gubernatorial matters, taxes, do you see a trend, etc. You sound like the great Sen. Joseph McCarthy calling people marxist blablabla. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Take your quackpot beliefs back to some church harboring pedophile where you can pray that a Jew from 2000 years ago will guide you into an afterlife with a bunch of other lunatics. Admitted drug abuser? Because he smoked pot or did some cocaine? Your right wing views are hokey (just like religion) and you are part of a dying breed. Now its time for the pot smokers with expensive headphones aka youth of america who love to fuck and watch tv. Enjoy your time on this planet. America as you knew it is gone and the best part of it is that idiots like you are dying everyday. That's when freedom will reign again.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:24 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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You really are a vile piece of garbage.....

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:34 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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Give 'em hell LD. If one of their daughters came to them in tears saying she had been held down and raped by 2 Mexicans and is now pregnant they'd be tripping over their boots getting her to a doc for an abortion. F-ing hypoctritical GOP assholes. If their rich-ass sons knocked up a girl on his way to law school they'd be paying the girls' parents to make sure she did not have the kid. They slaughter and orphan plenty of kids in third world countries and never worry about their God shaking his fist. But if a woman makes a decision that is just and only her own business they are ready to string her on their cross. The day they get out of our bedrooms and private lives is the day I will again consider their party. Until then, the welfare Dems begrudgibgly have my vote. Lesser of 2 evils.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:59 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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whoever gave me the red mark has never 1. had a gay friend made ashamed of their love for their partner 2. had a female friend or a wife or daughter who decided after much quiet thought that an abortion was the right choice 3. a loved one being kept alive by machines and not allowed a graceful death. Wake up. It is called separation of church and state. So very uncomplicated. I work, I pay my taxes, I contribute to society in a positive manner....in return you stay out of my private life and my personal decisions. so very uncomplicated. So very basic. It is called respect for one another. A forgotten theme in the invasive GOP party.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 02:01 | Link to Comment putaipan
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trolls can have signs too.....they just make you shrter and to the point-

 

PLEASE..EVERYONE....DON'T VOTE! GO TO YOUR POLLING STATION WITH A SIGN SAYING WHATEVER YOU FEEL. WHATEVER. EXPRESS YOURSELF.  BUT ,PLEASE, WHATEVER YOU DO DON'T CAST YOUR LOT WITH EITHER OF THESE TW0 IGNORANT EVILS ! YOU KNOW BETTER!

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 06:59 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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So let me get this right, you are an advocate for deviant sexual practices being brought into the main stream of society, and killing humans, in two different ways.

You are a supporter of death and perversion. That's postitive?

Nice contribution to society.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I was trying to follow her logic until it got to 2 mexicans raping someones daughter...now why two mexicans raping someones daughter carries more weight on the right & wrong scale of life than two frat boys raping their teacher is beyond me.

But then we quickly moved past that obvious bigotry, into the surreal world, where life is not life until its walking around on two legs in some third world country that O'Barry is bombing the shit out of...then, the flawed thought process being compounded (and I must say confounded) by some esoteric argument about the separation of church and state (that she supposedly respects) that O'Barry himself just violated with his "free birth control pills for coeds"  mandate/imposition on the church's hospitals/universities.

Up is down, down is up, stay out of my bedroom but force others to pay for what happens in there...got it...lol.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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probably you should have been aborted. does it strike you as bizarre to be involved in the same system of oppression as medieval europe? how long is this jesus guy gonna b large? what happened to Thor? do you think aborted fetuses go to heaven? where do they stay there? when does life start? Paul Ryan wants to BAN ALL ABORTIONS which is clearly a corrolary of his insane religious beliefs. Had you ever considered that paying for brth control could be cheaper than having a society full of unplanned pregnancies? No one is mentioning here what Paul Ryan's budget for insanity does to militry spending. Should we really vote for candidates who want to double military spending?  

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 09:12 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"probably you should have been aborted."

All you have to offer me is death?...lets just let that one sink in for a moment.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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in a war there are casualties and sick religious fucks like you are costing plenty of lives each day/year/nanosecond so let's not point fingers. religion is holding this fucking country back in a big way and I'm sick of it. No one wants to be sensible and say you know what this church shit worked in serfdom France but its not working here. It's insane to back a political party whose policies are shaped things coming out of the fucking vatican from 600 years ago. I don't want to live in a country where people believe in that creationsism shit and tell a women she cant have an abortion. I don't want to back a political candidate affiliated with some weird cult (mormonism) or a devout Catholic idiot who believes conception starts before fucking conception (I can't even make that shit up). You can elect whomever you want, but Obama is going to win and as much as I don't love the man I'm elated that shitheads like you will be embittered by that situation. FUCK YOU.  

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 23:35 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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Upon careful research of your previous posts, I can deduce you are truly a fucking mindless tool and a textbook useful idiot.  

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment LarryDavis
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because religion never kills anyone. is homosexuality deviant? what the fuck is deviant?

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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you just dont like black people do you.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 20:01 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

And, Romney doesn't have a 4-year track record of ACTIVELY SUBVERTING THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.

...not yet, anyway.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment StackAttack
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"And, Romney doesn't have a 4-year track record of ACTIVELY SUBVERTING THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND."

True, but he does, if elected, have a 4-year future of ACTIVELY SUBVERTING THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND." Obama isn't the (primary) problem, so if you think Romney is the (primary) solution, you are wrong.

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:14 | Link to Comment StackAttack
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"There is virtually no public information about where he came from, how he got into college, what colleges he actually attended what his grades were, or how he supported himself..."

Whoa! There is none of that information public about me, either!  I must be ACTIVELY SUBVERTING THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!  Somebody stop me! 

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 21:31 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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If you ran for office, and were representing the right side, there would be a whole lot of public info about you.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 23:52 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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OM Fucking G. Do you hear your brain rattling around in your empty skull? Has it never occurred to any of you birthers that every branch of our government researches every candidate all the way to the texture of their pubic hair before ever allowing them to run for a high political office? Moot point boys. he is a citizen and has little to hide save boring crap like zone-out time with a few drugs. Oh no. Not DRUGS. Let it rest. There's plenty to dislike about what he has done in the last 4 years...you don't need to go back to his life from birth through college.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 07:02 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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How much are you paid to post? Are they still hiring? I could use some cash.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 23:37 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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Yeah, but you only get paid twice a month.  I think its the first and the fifteenth.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 07:28 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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The problem is not where he was born.

Its where he currently lives.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Tegrat
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You're not getting it. Obama's decisions have been consistently  against his job (deciding for himself what is/not Constitutional)  and acting against the majority of working Americans, Congress, the Judicial Branch and all Law in general. Most recently he didnt simply bypass Congress but created a XO in direct opposition of our elected representatives, the American Tax Payer (by increasing our costs to support illegals), the Constitution. All for a personal benefit - hopes for a few more votes for himself.

 

He hates America and what is stands/stood for.

 

Your comment shows you do not get it and you are a JACKASS for making it about  yourself.

 

 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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At first I thought you were an MDB wannabe, then I realized that you are genuinely that fucking stupid.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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Don't kid yourself you would defend Obama no matter what evidence presented.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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While I fully support your right to be a complete blithering idiot you really do abuse the privilege.

Edit: You know, it just occured to me that you are too much of a dumbass to ever realize on your own that I was responding to DKos escapee Larry David so I figured I should point it out in order to have any hope of you comprehending the depth of your own ignorance.

Red State and the rest of your epsilon double minus crowd is over thataway.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 06:52 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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So saving the "kill the brown and black babies industry" is your number one priority?

I agree both sides are a joke, but pretending ABORTION is an issue either side is going to do anything to change in a substantial way is insanity. Try logic. The Republicans had total control of FedGov a few years ago and did noting at all about abortion, they increased the Free Shit Army instead.

It is really rich for you to call anyone else "really fucking gullible" while you mouth that "save killing babies" bullshit.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Ya know, I thought the article had enough snark in it, that just maybe people would feel too stupid to post "My Side" comments in this thread.

But no, we get this pragmatism as a "compromise" instead!

Good-Fucking Grief!

Hey, lookie kids, my clock says it's beer-thirty, and I can safely escape the statists for a weekend reprieve. Buh-bye.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment toady
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I know, right?

Trying to defend robamney after reading the article ... Well, just shows a lack of reading comprehension, or a over abundance of stupidity.

O-beer thirty it is!

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 19:53 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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Someone can still afford beer? 

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Panafrican Funk...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi6XV8yBFoU

Please remove head from sand/ass.  Your future self will thank you for it.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:30 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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Its 2012 and America's deficit is growing, Unemployment at all time highs. Americans are struggling everywhere.

America's Hurt, America's Bleeding. How are we gonna fix this mess?

VOTE TAMPON 2012. STOP THE BLEEDING.CLEAN UP THIS MESS.

(Post paid for by Goldman Sachs)

 

 

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 07:10 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Tampons help with headshot wounds more than tourniquets do.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Woodrow Wilson blames himself too.

 

But remember...

If Obama wins > we go to war for Israel against Iran with full Democrat/Republican house and senate support.

If Romney wins > there is at least the possibilty that some or most Democrats will vote against the war and allow the public to be heard above the screams for blood from Bibi and AIPAC.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment chubbar
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Yeah, but they will only vote against it with numbers that allow the war to happen anyway but allow them to claim that the party tried. Fucking demorats have done jackshit in speaking out against Syria, Iran, Libya or any other Obamanation. Don't expect the Republitards to be anything other than gun ho for any new war effort . The votes are rigged. Everything that needs to get passed, gets passed. Neither party is driving the boat, just taking orders.

Fri, 08/24/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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no actualy its all decided at a secret palace (Bilderberg) that where a bunch of elites get together dress up in wierd masks, sacrifice a wildabeast and then play strip orgy poker to decide who and when to go to war. DUH

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