The Out-of-Control Explosion Of Equity Quote Rates Or Why Any And All HFT "Research" Is Already Obsolete

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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:43 | 1571146 Captain Benny
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Looks like a pretty stinking clear trend to me!  Each year, there is a clear step up (or down) on average.  Cheers to Nanex once again!

Shapiro might be all over this, if she wasn't so worried about giving oral to a corn dog like other idiots in government that we all know.

Pictures without porn is probably too difficult for the SEC, so I'll help them out: The x-axis is the time of day in EST.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:47 | 1571171 anynonmous
Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:08 | 1571240 JW n FL
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James Workman on Aug 17, 10:04 PM said:

@facebook-expert:
Please no truth.. the quality of the readership here needs one line catch phrases that have tesedt well in multiple major markets before it can be accepted as truth! LULZ!!

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nouriel-roubini-has-questions-for-zerohedge-on-inflation-2011-8#comment-4e4c73c8eab8ea8459000018#ixzz1VLHafXZf

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:13 | 1571259 JW n FL
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James Workman on Aug 17, 10:07 PM said:

Anyone with the BackBone that would like to go book for book.. step up, other than that.. this is all traffic for losers.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nouriel-roubini-has-questions-for-zerohedge-on-inflation-2011-8#comment-4e4c756f69beddf27700002f#ixzz1VLJIX9Oa

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:14 | 1571260 JW n FL
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James Workman on Aug 17, 10:14 PM said:

The substance of this site is? Tyler (in any one of his different personas) is imperfect? and this site has NOT! EVER! seen this much traffic.. riding ZeroHedge's Traffic Coat Tails.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nouriel-roubini-has-questions-for-zerohedge-on-inflation-2011-8#comment-4e4c756f69beddf27700002f#ixzz1VLJSxwOv

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:26 | 1571294 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noyzfx4trZY&feature=autoplay&list=PL0442BCED7088535E&index=61&playnext=1

this is the best video you will never see on Cable News in Heavy Rotation of Afganistan!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:29 | 1571302 spiral_eyes
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buy & hold, bitchez!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:18 | 1571420 marsdefIAnCe
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@nouriel

 

how much money was getting offshored from CIA drug cartels in 30s?

 

there's a reason places like the middle east blew up first.  that's a big dumping ground for the $3-400 billion in CIA drug profits that provides a big part of the differential in domestic and international dollar based inflation

 

history, bitchez

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:25 | 1571440 marsdefIAnCe
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@nouriel

 

now, how can you not see that the low bond yields are an artifical construct that fly in the face foreign countries and even joe blow domestic buyers drying up?  t-bill yields are almost soley a function of what the fed's want them to be - not a relevant market signal except with respect to the fact that all the monies going towards their purchase are freshly printed -->hyperinflation, doubley so with a depression because all those fresh bills are buying fewer goods

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 03:55 | 1571645 Michael
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The colors in the charts are pretty.

Something like this?

Let me see if I get this strait;

Al-Qaeda is a concoction of the CIA.

Did I get that right?

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 15:08 | 1574077 JW n FL
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maybe not the CIA.. maybe the NSA? or other 3 letter Government Organization of Controled Demo!

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 01:45 | 1571643 Michael
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dope

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 03:26 | 1571744 Sudden Debt
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yeah, it made me see the same kind of colors when I was a student :)

 

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:08 | 1571242 DormRoom
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gold is a false signal.  it is in a bubble. zero hedge est  plus wrong.

 

remind yourself of the 5 stages of a bubble:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Stages_of_a_bub...

 

deflation, bitches.

 

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:13 | 1571258 Central Bankster
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Get short and post a screenshot numbnuts.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:14 | 1571264 DormRoom
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gold has room to run, I will buy far out of the money big cap gold producer put options when gold crosses 2300-2600/oz.  The gold bubble hasn't peaked yet.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:20 | 1571280 Central Bankster
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exactly.  Calling the top is a fools game.  Wait for the momo break.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:52 | 1571360 spiral_eyes
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anyone who says gold is in a bubble is a complete fool, and should get short and post screenshots, to weed out trolls.

i recognise america is going through something like japan, but guess what — gold has gone up in japan too. that's because gold's rebirth is part of a long term trend. the driving factors are global money printing, global debt monetisation, the BRIC central banks (especially china), the failure of monetary policy, and the fact that the corporate game likes to rape pillage and burn shareholders, the rise of china and arabia, the rebirth of russia, and most importantly the death of the dollar as the global reserve currency.

deflationists need to get their facts straight:

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/15/why-qe-didnt-cause-hyperinflation-2/ 

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:12 | 1571409 rosiescenario
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......or gold is running on an inverse relationship to Obumma's popularity...if you think his popularity is about to reverse field, you would want get short gold....

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 06:41 | 1571826 nmewn
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I got lost somewhere around gold is in a bubble and his deflationary fiat price modeling...as golds "fiat price" in every country is going up.

Now if he meant fiat is a worm that eats itself, always, thus being deflationary to itself, well, all righty then ;-)

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:30 | 1571305 indygo55
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Hey DR, That is a GREAT graph. Thank you.

 

 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:30 | 1571689 snakeboat
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Who of your friends actually holds a physical piece of gold?  Any at all?  I've got many friends and acquaintances and I'm the only one who has any metal in possession.  Anecdotal, I know, but there's no bubble till your shoeshine boy is tellin you about his stash...

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:32 | 1571695 DaBernank
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Or the metaphorical "shoeshine boy" will only accept gold as payment.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:31 | 1571693 DaBernank
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Point taken, perhaps we haven't seen the bear trap yet. Or the bear trap was 1982-2002. I'm sure you know exactly where we are on that curve. Check back in when Newmont and Barrick have been nationalized.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:09 | 1571245 MayIMommaDogFac...
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...and apparently he wants his goddamned answers RIGHT FUCKIN' NOW!!!

Hmmm -- Tyler and Dr. Doom, toe-to-toe in the basement at Lou's Tavern.  Yeah, I'd be forced to dust off the TV and pay-per-view that one.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:48 | 1571353 chump666
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He is Dr Wimpy now,  Dr Doom...jeez.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:18 | 1571414 sitenine
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@anynonmous

Thanks - hadn't been over there in a while.  I had no idea Weisenthal had become so hated, even by his own readers.  What a waste of what I once thought was real tallent.  Interesting read too.  Looks like Tyler and Roubini were talking past each other, as both are right.  Yes, there is deflation in depression, and yes, money printing causes inflation.  Regardless, I just wanted to say thanks for the fun link.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:56 | 1571511 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I feel you. That site went from interesting reporting on boobs and 10 click "random ripoff of cracked.com list" slide shows to sell ads. Joe is really just Johny5, pushing Blodget's book.....

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:51 | 1571486 No More Bubbles
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Who the fuck is Roubini? 

And who fucking cares what he has to say?

SERIOUSLY!

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 00:22 | 1571566 gwar5
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That's was fascinating, thanks! So there's still an inflation and deflation debate going on? Who knew.

Nuriel "John Law" Roubini better Skype the Chinese quick and tell them they're just acting a fool. 

Bernanke's scholarly take on the Great Depression was that they were too tight and didn't print enough money, hence, his own helicopter response metaphor.

Shadowfacts reports inflation at 8.5%, and it is much higher if you're a corn kernal.

 

Then There's this from Roubini himself, as reported at Bloomberg, February 2011:

"It’s not hyperbole when Nouriel Roubini, the New York University economist who predicted the U.S. financial crisis, says surging food and energy costs are stoking emerging-market inflation that’s serious enough to topple governments. Hosni Mubarak over in Egypt can attest to that."

 

And then there's this from Marc Farber's site, back in the stalled out 2009 economy, after Farber predicted severe hyperinflation:

"Prof. Nouriel Roubini at New York University, one of the few who predicted the ongoing economic turmoil, is talking about a milder but still severe inflation. During a press conference last week on the sidelines of the Seoul Digital Forum, Roubini said double-digit inflation would wreak havoc on the U.S. economy."

 

I think Roubini has either been hanging out at Davos too much, or, he's been swimming in dirty pond water and contracted one of those brain eating amoebas. 

Tyler only gets a TKO if Roubini has the amoebas.


 

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:04 | 1571227 DormRoom
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There are only a finite of delta hedge, stat arb, and other abitrage opportunities in the market for a given period of time, T.  But the number of hedge funds has been growing since 2000.  So you have to find the arbitrage opportunities first, before your competitors, or else you miss out, and are force to apply more leverage for the opportunities you do find.  Thus the HFT wars began. 

 

As the hedge fund industry grows linearly, but the arbitrage opportunities remaind constant, you have a structural problem.  More and more hedge funds will be forced to use ever more leverage for the arb opportunities they do find.  So if there is ever a fat tail event in the near future (cough Euro problem. cough. unwinding of the yen carry trade, due to the USD losing reserve statusm or QE3), it will be like cluster bomb hit  the financial markets, as cascade builds on top of cascade.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:18 | 1571424 rosiescenario
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...yep, it'll make LTC look like a day on the bitch.....

 

I guess all that was learned from LTC was that if your are really big, you cannot fail....though one might wonder why there are no dinosaurs today....

 

IMHO LTC was the beginning of our current problems with Wall Street. Amazing after LTC that anyone would even want to employ a Nobel economist or listen to anything they say.....

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 01:47 | 1571650 OldPhart
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I admit it, I'm a dumbass.

LTC <-?  WTF?

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:32 | 1571696 snakeboat
Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:34 | 1571700 Going Loco
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Long Term Capital Management. He missed out the last letter.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 08:28 | 1572064 DavidC
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Captain Benny,
She probably doesn't understand it.

DavidC

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:39 | 1571149 pemdas
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Pretty charts, but my old brain can't get any useful information out of them.  I guess that means the algos are eating my lunch.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:44 | 1571162 baby_BLYTHE
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which is why sitting out the fraud/manipulation and holding Gold is the best opinion any smart investor can take.

Let these algos and the big boyz blow themselves up. They will one day eat their own cooking, bailout or not.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:47 | 1571175 Shocker
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Nothing seems to make sense anymore. Look at all theses charts and graphs your like wth.

We got alot of issues, but nothing is being done to fix it. Then we get this

 

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

Crazy Times

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:08 | 1571241 rocker
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The charts make perfect sense. There is none. That is the point. It is 100% manipulation and fraud against our capital markets.

These people, HFTs with their fancy software which knows were every order, executed or has not been executed but waiting, need to be stopped.

Until then, it is a ponzii scam worse than Bernie Madoff.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:07 | 1571401 Manthong
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This is the perfect example of where the information gets lost in the noise.

 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 00:07 | 1571539 DeadFred
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"The Peak occurred on August 16, 2011 (see red spikes in the middle of the chart), when the market threw a tantrum on the shocking news of a possible financial transaction tax."

Didn't anyone see or read '2001: A Space Odyssey'? When they were going to shut down Hal, the self aware computer, for just a bit he turned killer to protect himself. Here they talked about taxing (= killing) the little critters when we know they read the news?  We're lucky they just went apeshit and there weren't any nukes sent flying.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:47 | 1571348 centerline
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Think of them as a forest fire moving from small brush to outright sky-high flaming hell while the quality of the market is reduced to dust.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:00 | 1571385 Stumpy
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Well I do see that bots drink their binary coffee at 10am.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:41 | 1571154 Id fight Gandhi
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Wouldn't a transaction "tax" of even a penny or fraction of a penny cut down on all this bullshit and quote stuffing? I see no value for people to load up a whole bunch or fake orders to cancel them a fraction of second later just to build artificial demand. Am I missing something here?

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:40 | 1571462 Raymond Reason
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Incredible.  Like attending an auction where anyone can cancel a bid.  This is not price discovery, it's fake.  Same with futures.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 08:36 | 1572094 DavidC
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Id fight Gandhi,
You can't have a transaction tax if no transaction has taken place. Quote stuffing is just that, one algorithm stuffing quotes to slow down other algos while they analyse the quotes, and (relatively speaking) few of the quotes leading to trades, many of which get cancelled or traded out of straight away for the rebates.

What should happen (although unlikely will) is that quotes should be made to stand for, say, half a second (preferably longer, but half a second is a lifetime where 5 milliseconds or less is the norm), a large number of cancelled quotes relative to total sent should result in a fine, and cancelled trades likewise.

Everything the SEC has done has been to fix the problem once it's occurred, NOTHING has been done to STOP the problem BEFORE it happens.

DavidC

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:44 | 1571160 Cognitive Dissonance
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You see, as HFT races towards zero, the data it generates decays just as fast.

Hopefully this decay rate is exponential and they all reach the singularity at the same moment.

Fireworks anyone? Or should I say one firework anyone?

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:37 | 1571323 Pure Evil
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They're all just tap dancin' on the event horizon.

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