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#OWS Occupies Times Square - Live Feed
The #OccupyWallStreet crowd has shifted over to the heart of tourist New York (where no actual New Yorker has set foot.. probably ever) - Times Square. Follow the action live with this convenient live feed.
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"This is a direct challenge to TPTB and the message is being sent that the OWSers are poking at a hornets nest. A lot of $$ has gone into militarizing local cops since 9/11/01. They are showing off their new toys."
Wakanda for the Win!
why is this so difficult for people to grasp?
Who really yearns for TSHTF?
Check out the rabid Rightists in this thread...frickin' Demonic.
That mind(less)-set is well represented in all amerika's myriad self-selcting fascist cop shops
Yep. yep. Pretty amazing they spend time on a site largely about rooting out the corruption and decay at the casino, yet they're the first to backstop the establishment. Humorous. ...and their kids are in the basement posting on GLP.
I've been hearing 'Black Monday' for the last three Mondays. Will believe it when I see it.
you're smoking way too much hash
I would think not enough.
Is such a thing possible?
Dude, hash-high fucks with your situational awareness. Gonna' come a time when that is no joy for a while.
Just sayin'
- Ned
Jesus, look at the number of police - these protesters must all have been trained by al qaeda. Or, maybe, it is Obama's new stimulus - million more baton ready jobs. Looks like a protest in a fascist state.
They are demanding iced cream?
I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream.
Actually Ben and Jerrys was being handed out by none other than Ben and Jerry themselves:
http://www.dnainfo.com/20111014/manhattan/occupy-wall-street-gets-surprise-treat-from-creators-of-ben-jerrys
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
In the last decade we have lost Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope
We have no more jobs, cash, or hope.
And Lucy's been gone a while too.
Didn't fit with the decade motif but I see what you did there....ball(s)
Does this girl not know she is filming? The quality is horrific ...
Why don't you get out there and do some broadcast quality? Do you realize they're streaming this live from the cell service and that it was probably a cell phone or laptop that recorded the video?
You wankers are just a fucking joke, a fucking joke. Go back to sleep, you aren't doing anything anyway.
What i don't understand is this:
They say they are the 99%...
but 50% of the population has no effect of the crisis.
So....
Are they the 99% of the 50%
Or
99% of the people who where going to show up on the demonstration?
Or
99% of the people who have time to go to these protests?
Or what?
Just kidding, i support them :)
Ninety-nine, forty-four, one hundred percent pure.
Its a good question...who are these 99%?
Thay are the 99% of all History and Art majors who have $150,000 college loans outstanding and haven't found a job for 5 years.... that 99%
SD-they certainly ain't the 53% who are paying income taxes in the US. - Ned
{You say 'i support them' -- I b wonderin' "Who are those 'them' being supported?"}
Great point. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of the bleating sheep protesters don't pay any income tax.
Where the 1% actually pay 38% of all the income tax. Fuck these moochers. Chain gun them from helicopters. I HATE THESE MOOCHERS!!! Please Mr. Bloomberg. Find your most mentally disturbed violent officers and turn them loose with armored vehicles. Start kettling these fuckers into alleys and beat them to death.
When actual TAXPAYERS protest I am there. This is just a bunch of whining disgusting bottom feeders. But I am glad they are protesting. Hopefully they will take the system down. I have tons of ammo just sitting there collecting dust, and starving commie hippies make great targets. And when the system comes down these people will be the first to starve. That is the sweet irony of the whole thing.
Let's see here... Got your IP address, match that with your personal info, and voila' - your physical address. I'll have one of my people come over and relieve you of all that ammo, since you won't be needing it, aymore. lol
Stale ideology makes you a tool of the system. Oh, the blessd 1%, the job creators... They thank you for your limited usefulness, but I WILL have that ammo.
sounds like fun. I suggest sending more than one.
Im reassured that you can accurately tell the tax paying status of people on a video feed.
You fucking retard, can't you read? I said I would bet on it, not accurately give you "the status". God you are stupid. PLEASE KILL YOURSELF. GET IN THE GAS CHAMBER NOW MINDLESS SHEEP!!! This is what I'm talking about. What happened. How did they get so dumb?! Why did peopel give this a + rating. WHY!!?? DEATH!! DIE!!! SHEEPLE!!! DIE!!!!!!!
I know you probably don't recognize it, but it's you who is the Sheeple. Oh, the irony. Now, Die.
DieSheepleDie is a bi-polar Libertarian that will not show up until the shooting starts and then will run like Forest Gump. People like DieSheepleDie are why the Tea Party was so easy to co-opt. That and the obvious lack of an independent media for forty years.
No effect? Oh I see - you're Belgian and just bought your biggest bank with money you don't actually have and putting yourself to Italian Standard. Yes, it's easy if somebody else pays for your party. I get this.
Actually it's the 99.999999% since 400 people in America own half of it's entire wealth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/america-is-not-broke_b_83200...
I must say that the most boring demonstrations are in the U.S. Nothing set on fire, no rocks are flying, no windows smashing... that is a real protest.
You're confusing a protest with a riot.
And she is confused what the most heavily armed citizenship in the world is. Allow me as an American to tell you two things:
1) An armed civilian society is a polite society.
2) The instructions left for us in the Declaration of Independence at the time of starting violent revolution was to first attempt to Alter our government when inevitable tryanny arrives and then if that fails, abolish it.
Evolving Central Banking and severing the chords of bribery, collusion and monopoly are altering our government. We're altering the Employer/Employee relationship by firing the middle management and then altering legal arrangements in 1913 that has led to violence upon not just our citizens but the entire world. If the Employee chooses violence to prevent themselves for being fired, God help them and all of us.
But either way, justice meaning the restoration of the opportunity to benefit without endless, mindless fear will be delivered. Those of us that study history and not ignore it know that their will be no joy in restructure of our bankrupt nation even if mass violence or war is avoided. But such is the manner of our species and cycles. The people of this planet won't wait 10-20 years to see if global Fascism just 'works itself out'. History has shown it NEVER does.
Doing above said things would only put more people in jail (paid for by taxpayers), give media something to spin off somethin juicy, and otherwise discredit the whole fandango
Thats because the cops have guns and permission to use them at the drop of a hat. No one in that crowd is interrested in a brand new asshole.
That settles it. I say we leave all of our hats at home.
Now theres a plan of action!
Groucho, is that you?
My name is Captain Spaulding,
The African Explorer.
Did some call me schnorrer?
Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!
That is funny, because every time someone else shows up for the rally, there is one brand new asshole.
It's that projection thing working wonders... the true assholes are those who sit at home criticizing, while they will be the ones who eventually benefit from the actions of the protesters.
In what way will I benefit? I went to the protests in NYC and was the only one in my area that had an End The Fed sign. We're going to get four more years of Obama and with him Bernanke and Geithner. The media will be estatic, everyone will have felt they did something right, and fascism will continue unabated in this country. The only thing OWS has done in terms of Wall Street is that the latter saw its biggest gains in weeks. Somebody or something is serving someone. Its up to us to figure out who or what.
What, how long were you there, a whole afternoon? The thing no one seems to recognize is that this is a long term thing... if you expect immediate results, I suggest Sex. And no, I'm not saying that for any reason other than I think sex is reliably the most immediate gratification act available that most people enjoy. You're not the only one with end the FED signs, they're around, and we do realize we're across the street from the FED offices. People, get a grip... it took millenia for the power to be entrenched... how dare any of you expect results in 4 weeks?
If enough people protest the way the banks have destroyed the world's economy, then you would benefit. It should be self-evident. If people don't come out in force, then there is no gain, no result, no benefit. That too should be self-evident.
Hell I wish I had 2 assholes I'd be able to shit in 1/2 the time. I just don't want one that is bleeding profusely.
I'm with you. All this Ghandi non-violent shit ain't gonna work at this level.
These are dangerous times. Any one of these 'peaceful protests' could become a Kent State, and I think that would really rile everybody up.
There are currently not enough protesters in the US, in my estimation, to cause any meaningful rioting. That would be carte blanche for the feds / riot police to come in and go nuts. It's much smarter to drag this out while conditions for the armchair critics get worse, so they too want to join, recognizing they are also losers like the protesters.
So, are they fumigating that Park right now?
How freakin' boring. Lots of people look bored. Looks like they're standing around waiting to get into a Lady Gag concert or something.
you are right...maybe its the line for the IPROD.
Line up everyone. Buy a chinese made, labor exploited phone you don't need on money you don't have.
Smartphones won't make you smart
guys shut up these avant-garde liberal arts major debt rat hippies are just hoping and praying CIA introduces newer stronger lsd as they did in the 60s. :)
Put Big Brother on the jumbotron.
Actually if Anonymous hacked into the Jumbotron and put the 5th of November mask up on the skreen, that would be pretty epic.
what a shameful joke of a protest. guys get back on the sidewalk. one kid yells "IVE BEEN WAITING FOR TWO HOURS TO CROSS" brother youll be waiting aLOT longer if you think this joke of protest mixed with yuppie/hippie slushie is going to change anything.
"The foundation of the American economy is strong"
"Subprime is contained"
"The banks are doing ok"
-CrAsH-
"Green shoots are sprouting"
"Unemployment will fall below 8%"
"Recovery will begin now that the banks have been recapitalized"
"The Fed can print to infinity"
"Business is booming again"
"Summer of recovery"
"Its just a soft patch"
"Recovery will resume once the Greek bailout package is passed"
"Recovery will resume once the next Greek bailout package is passed"
"Recovery will resume once the next Greek bailout package is passed"
"This is about Europe"
"Americans don't protest"
"Its just a small group of hippies"
"This won't amount to much"
"Should be over in no time"
"It'll never spread"
"Its not gonna change anything"
TO BE CONTINUED....
the one thing that is for sure is the TO BE CONTINUED.Protest really DO NOT change anything. Independence is not gained from authority by asking for it..or asking what time and place can i protest so that it will not inhibit trade traffic.
that reminds me...
Edit in "Gold's a bubble" and sprinkle it throughout my previous comment.
Green shoots
It's transitory
Have the troops home by whenthefuckever
Most transparent government ever
it really is sad isnt. especially that have the troops home bye whenthefuckever line is sadly true.
"Its just a small group of unemployed toothless rednecks"
"The tea party's message is unclear"
"It won't resonate with the mainstream"
"This bill is paid for"
Thats raaayciiist.
+1 Damn how'd we miss that one?
Well, seems everybody black been sayin that recently about everybody else black or my ears and eyes been decieveing me?
Weird ain't it?
You can't be a genuine "black" unless you subscribe to a certain viewpoint...very odd...but completely color blind...LOL!!!
You calling me a hypocrite? ;)
You can't be suggesting I'm in the same league as "Strong Dollar Policy"
THIS IS A TEST. FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS YOU'VE BEEN SUBJECTS OF A TEST.
This test has been hard, bitchez.
I gotta say, nobody has been able to explain the tea baggers to me.
I keep hoping they are fiscal conservatives, but they just keep telling me they have no platform, no agenda, no plan, and no leaders.
I can't see much happening there...
"I can't see much happening there..."
Outside of stopping crony's in their tracks?...nahhh...nothing happening...move along.
What does that mean? How have they stopped the cronyism? Is that what they planned to do, or a side effect? That is, of course, if they actually did stop some form of cronyism and no one found out about it...
It's early yet. The message is getting out now.
toady,
"How have they stopped the cronyism?"
We would have to agree that ObamaCare (as passed by the majority at the time) is a massive wealth transfer from workers to corporations. You could see it in "equity" shares ccommonly traded on the exchanges.
We would have to agree that the "shovel ready jobs bill" (as passed by that majority at that time) was another example of cronyism to the favored few.
One group opposed both consistently and tossed out members of either side who voted for these and instituted gridlock until more sane heads could prevail.
There will be no more government sanctioned bailouts approved by elected members now...because of one group.
Huh...
I'll have to think about that...
I don't remember anybody consistantly opposing either the healthcare bill or the stimulous bill, outside the 'just say no' wing of the republicans.
Is that who the tea party is, the ones who vote no to everything?
If so, fiscal conservatives simply have a new name.
I'd like to join!
Everyone is welcome, we have nothing to hide.
Smaller government, less taxes, more liberty.
Huh... I'll have to think about that... I don't remember anybody consistantly opposing either the healthcare bill or the stimulous bill, outside the 'just say no' wing of the republicans. Is that who the tea party is, the ones who vote no to everything? If so, fiscal conservatives simply have a new name. I'd like to join!
If the tea party stops cronyism in another universe, does it really stop in this one?
"Protest really DO NOT change anything. Independence is not gained from authority by asking for it.."
All true, of course, therefore more reason to consider this OWS situation critically important -- if it has staying power, it will ultimately come to push vs shove, and expose the true intent, desperation and wherewithal on all sides of the equation.
Herbert Hoover is alive and well in 2011
I am reminded of an art festival 6-7 years back in the central plaza in Santa Fe, NM. (2) armored anti-riot paddy wagons parked at the margin.
They looked like Civil War-era ironsides - ungainly, ultra-heavy, portholes and the rest of that clanking, medieval, primitive shit.
What on earth called them out to a damn art fair ? These people behind this are just numb. Very dangerous imvho.
"Paddy Wagons" like "Irish Pennants" are such ethnic slurs ;-)
Not to mention O'bama.
He's half cracka...thats the bad part...or sumpin...I think.
You really need a program to follow along these days ;-)
I didnt Know that Jeff Macke was a cop now..........damn
New York storm trooper scum
I've read 100x on ZH that "there's no difference between a democrat and a republican - that's how they divide us", but it looks to me that the 1% marxists (calling themselves "the 99" - i call bullshit-) are now fighting the 1% "corporate enemy", while the government (d & r) watches with popcorn. WTF? Deceived maybe???
Lazy bankster whore.... if you are already paid to do psyops, then at least come up with original posts, instead of copypasting across threads - work for your pay you lazy bitch!
Those losers are so pathetically inept they all work from a manual, I bet. The psyops pukes are partly right to fear losing their jobs: stupid co-dependent free masons couldn't get a job at McD's if it weren't for the connections.
The sad irony is the following: if they were only to stop developing their pathetic cunning and instead learn real/honest skills, they wouldn't be dependent on their masters for their crumbs, but it doesn't seem like they'll ever wake up and notice how well they've been played... The system is based on perpetual dependence, and these foolish slaves are too fearful and weak-minded to dare imagine a life of inherent, personal strength - they truly think it is impossible for them. What sad chumps.
OMG, Citibank now arresting customers who want to close their accounts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH3kiaJ1-c8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CDcGgJutME
Looks like this Monday could be a Bank Run Monday.
Keep up the good work, 99%!
Altert to the bankers, or "banksters" as the zerohedgies call them. Look out, Monday is "Black Monday" where the hippie freaks close their accounts. The account termination fees will be greater than the collective balances lost, just heads up..
'account termination fees'
HA! What will they come up with next!
I watched the first video. It really pissed me off. What right does a bank have to lock people inside who showed up to close their account? Under what authority do the police arrest them for lawful conduct? I see non-violent protests today becoming bloody conflicts if this shit continues.
I've heard of substantial penalty for early withdrawal but this is ridiculous.
http://youtu.be/oSo-MEiMbac
I bet that hot dog guy is retiring this week.
White protestors are so lame ..... they're all drinking $7 Starbucks mocha lattes and using $2000 iMac Air to friend each other on facebook ..... losers
You forgot "while chanting capitalism sucks".
You forgot "Whilst wearing a overpriced $60 dollar worn Abercrombie and Fitch shirt"
Only 7k viewer? C'mon, start thowing some produce like in Rome. Haha.
the cops are laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! epic fail protesters.
Life is a play and we all play a part,
The Lover, the Dreamer, the Cop.
The Dreamer and Lover are always in tears,
The Cop spreads sunshine around.
The life with a smile is the life worthwhile,
The Cop till the curtain comes down.
Even though you're only make believing,
Laugh, Cop, laugh!
Even though something inside is grieving,
Laugh, Cop, laugh!
Don't let your heart grow too mellow,
Just be a real Joe Friday, fellow
Back in the day, it was "if trav disagrees, you know it's true".
Nowadays it's "if the thread gets overrun by psyops, you know it's true".
A few years ago the same was said about the TP.
And those were not psyops...it was some of the same posters that are here now.
The problem with your argument, is that you're ignoring time. For example, there may back then indeed have been a systematic attempt, to discredit the TP, and the movement could back then have been "real", but then afterwards been infiltrated. In that case, the non-paid posters bashing them back then, would feel "proven right", even if at the time back then, they were actually wrong.
I don't really care, if the above hypothetic scenario is true - i'm just bringing it up, to show that one can be right about the future, while being wrong about the present.
;-)
No, actually time is a friend and has always been on the correct side.
Back then, no one understood what the TP was. They thought it was anti-Obama. It is anti-what-Obama stands for.
Obama and Pelosi and Moore and Canadian/NYC PR firms and the MSM and the Communist Party and college professors and public sector labor unions and crony capitalists everywhere all agree...the TP is bad...bad Tea Party.
They need us, we do not need them...and they know it.
By the way, I replied to yours of last night. I would be interested in your thoughts there.
replied to the other thread :-)
direct link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-notes-sales-desk-few-thoughts-occupy...
You don't know if they are psyops, they could just be sadistic douchebags, either way they are really showing their true colors in these OWS threads.
Oh sure, i don't know 100%.... it COULD be, that it's all just a coincidence.... maybe just by coincidence, people appear out of nowhere in OWS threads, and copypaste posts not just across ZH threads, but accross communities (google is your friend!).
Riiiight..... bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
They are nothing new man.
Good point, but the problem is: There is a registration approval lag on ZH.
A typical griefer cannot just register a ZH accound, and instantly post. He'd need to have registered about a week ago before he planned to post. The griefer audience is too lazy to do this in large numbers.
You must wait on the porch without complaint or encouragement for three days.
Great principle.
Start with No.
Seriously, who do they think they're fooling.
Up to date worldwide OWS news.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049466/Occupy-Wall-Street-protests-New-Yorks-Times-Square-global-day-revolution.html
Everyone is out to lunch
"First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win".--Gandhi
yup comic con fans. shutting it down the bullshit cache on my computer is full of diarrhea from filth coming from the comie conS. night guys.
I lived in new york for 11 years. I never once set foot in times square. lulz.
The stores are losing money hand over fist. Vendors can't get through. These protests are giving the Tea Partiers / protest a bad name.
I've never gone to a TP meeting and had "fluids" thrown on me...just sayin, psyop...lol.
Clearly a great perceived threat from #OW.x given the presence of provocateurs virtual and otherwise
NO really this is the the new wave of hippies come on lets go to chicago and protest. "theres social outlets and video editing like omg yea for sure" "come on lets do it guys lets put videos of us changing the world but first i need to play some video games. k bye" EPPPPPICCCCCC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what is the difference of 9/11 and OWS ?
No explosives have been used at OWS?
OWS wasn't preplanned by Americans years in advance of the event?
There's plenty of video footage available of OWS, where as there is none of the Pentagon on 9/11.
etc, etc.
One includes an account of a real hijacking that many saw coming and chose not to get on board.
I missed my train trying to avoid these smelly Marxists. Beating drums and telling give me, give me. Stomping on the American flag. Aholes if you ask me.
so how are they going to bring in qe3,4,5 and further bailouts with all this going on?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_best_policy/2011/10/...
Occupy Wall Street Has Already Won
How the movement has already shaken up American politics, and where it should go from here.
By Eliot Spitzer | Posted Thursday, Oct. 13, 2011
Occupy Wall Street has already won, perhaps not the victory most of its participants want, but a momentous victory nonetheless. It has already altered our political debate, changed the agenda, shifted the discussion in newspapers, on cable TV, and even around the water cooler. And that is wonderful.
Suddenly, the issues of equity, fairness, justice, income distribution, and accountability for the economic cataclysm–issues all but ignored for a generation—are front and center. We have moved beyond the one-dimensional conversation about how much and where to cut the deficit. Questions more central to the social fabric of our nation have returned to the heart of the political debate. By forcing this new discussion, OWS has made most of the other participants in our politics — who either didn’t want to have this conversation or weren’t able to make it happen — look pretty small....
snip
i'll say spitzer is permanently maligned against the banks because they downed him. but his dad is a real estate tycoon and he stands to inherent a real estate fortune built on cheap money. i would say, take him with a grain of salt, so long as he continues to malign the banks.
if any of his fortune is contingent on cheap financing, he's going to have a change of heart eventually.
he forgot to add "brought out the military in everybody." other than that it would appear "it has begun" indeed.
Occupy for Violence
The joke is on the enabler dividing a country for 2012 campaign donations
it is the solid state of Gross domestic Product which will decide more on the future
http://truthdive.com/2011/10/15/wall-street-protest-indicates-depression-in-usa.html
GDP? You mean that stat, that among many things judges lending money, as a GAIN? That stat, that basically just measures "spending", regardless of "on what" and "via what means"?
And as for protests implying depression.... umm, yeah, hello mister obvious.... we've been in a depression for YEARS, and now it is so bad, that people won't take it anymore. Obviously, that is a trueism not obvious enough, that we need people telling us that we're in a depression, while we already have even joe average protesting about just that!
head @ wall
"GDP? You mean that stat, that among many things judges lending money, as a GAIN? That stat, that basically just measures "spending", regardless of "on what" and "via what means"?"
Excellent comment...and dead on.
Oooo nmewn you have a down voting troll. You have hit the big time!
I live completely rent free in his head...its great ;-)
i went to the new york times square thing. most fun i ever had hanging out with some friends in times square. lots of hot women and good people too boot. and the cops and everyone pretty much behaved themselves , no stampedes, no thrown objects.
good times!
as a jew, i'd say the nazi endorsement thing and the communist endorsement thing, is fine. so what. it's not like anyone is taking money from those groups and if they want to pitch in sure. they will be violently squashed anyway by the masses anyways , not because of their politics so much, but because their membership ranks are just usually about as foolishly miscontrolled misinformed as the jugalos.
if the jugalos , a racist group of yobs, supported the occupy movement , i'd say go right ahead. it's not like you have to tell them to their faces that there's no chance in hell they'll get any handouts, benefits, or power as a result of their 'support'.
and yea, there are anti-semites. so what. nationalism is what's needed right now, and it's not going to result in persecution regime ala hitlers nazi germany. not a chance.
You are a fraud. Keep kissing Soro's ass
You're right. It can't happen here. No way. What we need is nationalism. that is what the homeland needs right now.
Interesting that none of the Welfare Recipents are protesting.
Hmmm?
You noticed?...lol.
Did they storm the Charmin store for some much needed tp?
Give us what we want and we'll go away.
Funny how many Zerohedgers pretend and say they are against the banks and their rampant criminality, yet defend them the first chance they get.
Hey diesheepledie, how does it feel to carry water for Goldman Sachs? How does it feel to be a shill for Jamie Dimon?
If by "ZHers" you mean everyone who got a registered account, then yes.
If by "ZHers" you mean actual real members, that aren't paid to post here, then you are quite off with your comment, besides of a handful "but vocal" bigots.
I hope you're right, my friend. Shocking to see a place that is such a beacon of light to be comprehending what is going on so backwardly.
The protesters are the good guys. They are the ones fighting the banks. The banks are the enemy.
Anyone actually standing up for the banks is slitting their own throats. They are similar to the battered wife, who says "well if I go back to him this time (the banks), then maybe this time it will be different."
This movement is what people like Tyler have been fighting for since day one. This movement is cause to celebrate. Don't let false flag posters convince you to love your captors like your garden variety Stockholm Syndrome sufferer.
You are a simple bastard aren't you. Your inability to use logic is interesting. Because someone does not support a mob waving socialism slogans yelling "Tax the rich!" means that person supports politician enabled fraud perpetrated by the banks. The banks were given bailouts by CONGRESS you idiot. The Fed exists because of Congress. The housing crisis happened because of Congress and because the regulators in GOVERNMENT did not do their job. The GOVERNMENT accepts bribes legally (as campaign donations) from banks, because CONGRESS made the law that way.
Are you really such an idiot that you think the protesters are directing their anger in the right direction? Not one of the bleating sheep out there is protesting the government. You are sheep too I guess. Easily manipulated. Do you like carrying the water for the labor unions? They are all at the protests. They all bribe Barack Obama too.
And here come the bigots - my way, or the shit way.... there is nothing in-between, and certainly no common ground. Because you know, i'd rather continue living in the current shit system, than any system that while perhaps not being 100% in line with my ideal, prevents.... well, shit. Because you know, my narcistic ideals are more important, than why i'm suffering.... and i'd rather continue suffering, than settle for anything one quant less than my absolute ideal.
Go fuckyourself with a screwstick, extremist.
When the ability to construct a logical counter argument is unavailable you resort to "bigot"? I suppose I am bigoted against those who show herd like behaviour, manipulated by the various ideological "groups". And I am not suffering actually. I paid attention to this and predicted this when the politicians took the constraints off the mortgage companies, and it was obvious a housing crisis and depression was imminent. I prepared accordingly, and have been enjoying the show profiting off of this ever since.
Feeding trolls again? Stamping out fallacies from union trolls or the communist party hack trolls? Good luck with that. Their whole existence is based on fallacies.
If only everyone could have it as easy, as throwing around with keywords, and then call that an "argument".
At the risk of repeating myself: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
If you want to construct an actual argument, that is not by the majority of people with even half a brain being seen as pure sophism, then don't base it on appealing to ideological keywords, but on actual explanations.
In the case of the fucking bigot above: He wouldn't accept ANY system, unless it banishes his favorite...... words.... while of course not requiring preventing what he claims to resent so much. Fucking ideologue hypocrites - oh, it's CALLED something different, so it's okay! Oh the things in the new system are not called anymore by my favorite enemy keywords, SO EVERYTHING is fixed!
If only everyone could be a fucking braindead semantic, that only has to care about WORDS, rather than MEANING, everything would be so easy, that we could fix everything overnight, by just banning WORDS.
But it sure as hell makes for less mental effort.