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Panic Behind The MF Scenes As Company Refuses To Disclose Information To Regulators Even In Death

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As in life, so in death. Reuters reports that "U.S. regulators are unhappy with the failure of MF Global Holdings Ltd to provide them with the required data and records, a source close to one regulator told Reuters on Monday. "So far they've been very disappointed with the cooperation in the fulsomeness of records and data from MF," the source said, noting regulators have been working with the firm since late last week. "They were supposed to be able to show us their books and they're supposed to be able to tell us what's what and where their customer funds are and how they've been segregated and protected and to date we don't have the information that we should have," the individual told Reuters." Seriously, as Erin Burnett would say, you are already bankrupt. Just how much worse is it if you even in death you still are hiding secrets? And at this point it should be obvious to everyone: whatever MF is hiding is not something that will hurt it or much less its stakeholders for which the management team obviously never cared one iota. After all the company is already dead. Whatever is on its books has huge impacts to those either behind the corporate veil, read Mr. Corzine, who may or may not have regulatory issues arising from 10(b)-5 "concerns", or more probably, to other banks and Primary Dealers. And with even one simple affidavit still to be filed in Bankruptcy Court, the panic behind the scene is palpable.

From Reuters:

MF Global, which filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday, is the biggest U.S. casualty of Europe's debt crisis, and the seventh-largest bankruptcy by assets in U.S. history.

 

Regulators had expressed "grave concerns" about the viability of MF Global, which filed for bankruptcy only after "no viable alternative was available in the limited time leading up to the regulators' deadline," the company's chief operating officer, Bradley Abelow, said in a court filing.

 

U.S. regulators held a series of calls on Monday related to MF Global.

 

The Financial Stability Oversight Council, which is headed by the Treasury Department, received "a series of oral reports" from the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the Federal Reserve, according to one Treasury Department official.

 

No other details of the calls were provided.

So: just what secrets is the corpse of MF about to reveal? We, for one, can't wait.

 

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Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:40 | 1829936 X.inf.capt
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game over

.....BITCHEZ!

must.....stay out.....of.....

BUTT POUNDING PRISON!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:48 | 1829974 SilverIsKing
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Does 'MF Global' stand for Worldwide Mother Fuckers?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:39 | 1830100 I did it by Occident
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I am shocked, shocked that any former politician from New Jersey could be involved in any corruption whatsoever!

\sarc  :)

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:05 | 1830166 anynonmous
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this is all fcking BS man -- or whatever the symbol was for Bear Stearns

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:38 | 1830249 trav7777
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They will try to shred their way out of this.

Regulators and/or FBI need to swoop in and put the seal tape on stuff

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:51 | 1830279 Cynical Sidney
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banksters are destroying democracy and our way of life, i issue the following call to action: we need to immediately reinstate glass-stegall, implement volcker rule and torture any banksters who refuse to spill the beans. we need to use rico to go after criminal organizations such as goldman sachs, morgan stanley, ubs deutchbank fannie freddie etc.

financial crimes are the most under handed of all crimes and affect the public in far more ways than other types of crimes. time to take a stand

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 22:32 | 1830605 Lord Blankcheck
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What about the three CORRUPT branches of Government?

 

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 22:55 | 1830662 wearef_ckedwith...
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All this stuff is giving me a boner.  Does that mean I'm easily excitable or just horny?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:32 | 1830754 jeff montanye
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short?

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 00:58 | 1830892 boiltherich
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Part of the problem with Glass-Stegall was that it was itself a compromise that eventually allowed it to be simply dropped.  We need to have it back sure, but on steroids.  But to go beyond that we need law that says the only contracts that are enforceble are those that exchange a service or good for legal tender in full.  Period.  And I hate it because it essentially is what the fascist rightwingers want, but it has become abundantly clear that where money and credit are concerned greed wins every single time.  The only to live without parasites and this horrifying unequal distribution of wealth is to end fiat and credit, one in the same by the way.  I will say that none of you will like the tax structure in that world, but we will all be happier in some ways.  I for one plan to grow a bit of pot ans stop worrying about everything so much. 

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 04:07 | 1830999 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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FIat and credit are one and the same, now there's a thought to ruminate on as I settle in for the night.  Good luck with your plan, though I think in the long run cognitive behavioral coping strategies tend to yield better results than substance based coping strategies.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 02:47 | 1830974 molecool
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What he said. Count me in.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:56 | 1830797 CompassionateFascist
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Right. Like Holder swooped in on Solyndra. This is a top-to-bottom 2-Party Kleptocracy. Last night a severe dream-nightmare woke me bolt upright. I was driving down a road in one of the states where the TSA Gestapo is now randomly pulling over motorists for pat-downs and etc. Up ahead I saw a bunch of these ZOG thugs doing up a woman and peeling panels off of her car. A quick twitch of the steering wheel and sharp acceleration, and I got 4 or 5 of them before their Highway Patrol cover got me. This is how it will begin, like that guy in Tunisia who set off the Arab Spring....not those clowns in Zucker-whatever Park waving signs around. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:07 | 1830175 CClarity
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Seeking Alpha just posted "Regulators are investigatingwhether MF Global (MF) diverted as much as $700M from segregated customer accounts to support its trades as the company teetered, according to sources. A major no-no, it's possible this is what nixed a desperate effort by MF to sell itself to Interactive Brokers"

A definite major no-no that should be leading to some jail time.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:31 | 1830189 Bananamerican
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"...should be leading to some jail time"

What part of fascist oligarchy don't you understand?

The Fa or this Shist?

beside's, amerika's still on the hunt fer al kidey in granma's underpants savvy? an' we don't have TIME to look "Backward" into some rich man's komplicated bidnizz! We need to look Downward....into all those geriatric hidey holes an' all the hippy holes an' all them food-stampers faraway eyes...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:41 | 1830257 bobert
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What???

Re-post when you're sober.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:52 | 1830281 Miss Expectations
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Psssst, I think it's Jon.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:35 | 1830758 jeff montanye
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s/he's sober.  so are the food-stampers with the 10,000 yard stare.  well, some of them.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:49 | 1830274 4horse
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+good stuff+

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:28 | 1830224 Vampyroteuthis ...
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You know why they are keeping their mouths shut, a good portion of it is laundered money. Dirty to the core. Mafia, drug lords take your best shot! The Grim Reaper is here for Halloween.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:18 | 1830724 LongSoupLine
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"...a good portion of it is laundered money."

 

Well, of course it was, right along with the other 21 Primary Stealers of the Fed.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 02:34 | 1830968 Oh regional Indian
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SPOT ON Vampy.

People really need to get a real lesson in what is UP!

Ejumakation

ORI

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 03:49 | 1830996 AnAnonymous
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You know why they are keeping their mouths shut, a good portion of it is laundered money. Dirty to the core. Mafia, drug lords take your best shot! The Grim Reaper is here for Halloween.
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Maybe, maybe. But one should not forget that US citizens are duplicitous at heart.

They might as well be reproached with very little and are using that stage to appear as victims. Victimology is high among US citizens. Bankers might use that platform to appear as victims of the odious monster state that prevents everyone including banks from doing honest and sane US style business.

Or they might have stuff to be reproached with but not that big and by pushing for high expectation,( US citizens love propaganda, marketing, hype), they might get away with what they have done because well, US citizens expected so much more, and petty sins have to be forgiven. They are caring Christians.

Never underestimate US citizen duplicity.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:34 | 1830234 Zone1
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WSJ is saying the same thing:

"But as the due-diligence process intensified, Interactive Brokers executives became concerned about MF Global's capital levels, according to people familiar with the matter. The worries centered on the amount of customer funds held on deposit by MF Global, with Interactive Brokers identifying what it felt were substantial discrepancies, people familiar with the matter said.

The difference was roughly $900 million, these people said, though one person added that the figure was a "moving target."

"They still don't have it figured out" this person said."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204528204577009473406903312.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

Looks like tax payers will be on the hook to bail out Corzine's mess through SIPC.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:36 | 1830244 Darth..Putter
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But CNBC says the bear might be all done.  Buy stocks!!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:48 | 1830270 Carlyle Groupie
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-31/mf-global-exposes-prop-tradi...

MF Global Exposes Prop-Trading Risk That Volcker Wants to Curb

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:37 | 1830246 Darth..Putter
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But CNBC says the bear might be all done.  Buy stocks!!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45109344

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:44 | 1830262 Everybodys All ...
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The Dodd-Frank lame bill the democrats pushed on us all and the one that left derivatives unchecked promised this kind of tax payer bailout would never ever happen again. Key up the I told you Obama and co were full of themselves.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:39 | 1830765 jeff montanye
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full of themselves?  you razor dipped in acid tongued insulter you.  

when obama is called a monster, john wayne gacy is insulted. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:25 | 1830212 knukles
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Woulda thought that all them years on Wall Street woulda made an honest man outa him.
Jon.  There's a difference between honest and just plain dumb, fella....

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:36 | 1830242 Dingleberry
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"Nucky" Thompson would be so disgusted of Corzine!

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 07:37 | 1831122 Freewheelin Franklin
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Corzine robbed the citizens of NJ with the Sweetheart deals he made with the various state workers unions, including the CWA, where his girlfriend,  Carla Katz, was the head.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:39 | 1830102 Troll Magnet
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Mother Fuckers Globa.  Fixed.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:50 | 1829981 Rainman
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Bet the Pigmen are hitting the blue sapphire hard tonight. BOOO !

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:27 | 1830077 LeonardoFibonacci
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Yes because a pound of flesh above the heart will be required of them tomorrow and these Shylocks must prepare with blue sapphire of Bombay, as long as it is koscher though. lol

 

What's not fucking koscher is how they lost client money!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:36 | 1830095 peekcrackers
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I see 3 monkeys with eyes , ears and mouth coverd waring yamakas when i read this post

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:39 | 1830101 LeonardoFibonacci
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I don't like Yamahas, i prefer Harley Davidsons lol

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:59 | 1830151 SilverIsKing
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What's a yamaka? Is that like a Henway?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:53 | 1829987 DeadFred
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Figure out how much time it takes to load a charter plane with gold and fly to the nearest non-extradition country. That's how long it will be before the records are handed over. I predict there will be a lot of interesting ZH posts in the next few days. Keep the servers in shape.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:20 | 1830177 Carlyle Groupie
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Servers bitchez!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:00 | 1830009 sunnydays
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Probably another Madoff and the govt. regulators have looked the other way all these years.  I have not doubt that serious crimes were committed.  I also have no doubt that no one will go to jail for them either.  It will be... "oh, well", just like Enron and so on.  They protect the stop and screw the people who they have lied to for years.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:17 | 1830057 topcallingtroll
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I hope angry german and daneskold are right.

Keep your mouth shut in bankruptcy court. Dont certify nothing.

And also consolidated books are not actually as common as they should be.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:00 | 1830152 Arius
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can always hope - nothing wrong with hopping except when you bet money on hope ...

:-)

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:28 | 1830222 knukles
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...or change.  And don't forget, Corzine is a died in the wool serious o'blahama funder, bundler, supporter and all around jock strap.  Hows comes it always happens to thems whose are the connected ones?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:36 | 1830243 nmewn
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Hey!!!...its not just the big guys...Mickey Mouse donated too!!!

FEC should taken out back just like the SEC.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:06 | 1830169 disabledvet
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are you representing us or MF Global?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:18 | 1830058 Hearst
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Naked Silver short positions?  They wouldn't be the first.

 

It's Getting Plain Silly: MF Global Hikes Silver Margin To 175% Of CME, Or Over 10% Of Contract

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/its-getting-plain-silly-mf-global-hikes-silver-margin-175-cme-or-over-10-contract

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:40 | 1830252 Gene8696
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Some how they are link. We need a good autopsy... I'm tired of hearing about the Madofs bullshit.

Need something new to chew on.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:14 | 1830333 4horse
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s AS. it's what they count on-- faster. faster --for without a past, sabotaging cause&effect, what the fuck's justice

 

always Looking Forward. onward. and upyours

no past behind their presenttense-- panem et circenses. though they keep the bread, substituting they kk, prostitutes and naked anything instead. except truth --time's awastin such an onslaught of crime committed quicker'n you can keep count

 

piling-up. so of course don't look behind you, gene. they're Gaining. Everything

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 08:02 | 1831193 Gene8696
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Damn, lots of reds... I guess I'm the only one loving all the bad news and hopes of another Oct. 3rd meltdown? Or maybe others are still interested in old news? I just want to get back into oil at 75, and profit from my S&P shorts....

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:25 | 1830214 Abitdodgie
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I think all this is funny because the only people to get upset are the people who pay taxes and are part of the system , as by now every ZH member must have opted out of the system , so do as I do sit back and laugh at the poor suckers who are still in the system and paying taxes as they  will be the bag holders on this one , happy days.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:08 | 1830308 Fred Hayek
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I must've missed the box that you check off to "opt out" of paying taxes while having a legit job.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 06:26 | 1831059 blueridgeviews
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Weren't there 11 indictments from Enron.  Didn't the head guy go and die in jail (Ken Lay)?  I hope that MF Global ends the same way.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:24 | 1830071 Rynak
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I'm a bit confused about this. Doesn't this usually work in the order of "First disappear evidence, then blow up"? Bit like the "First pillage, then burn"-rule? They're doing it all wrong.

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:57 | 1830142 Arius
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i would agree in normal times, but these are not normal times .... too many balls in the air .... the chief cant be in all places at once ... lets hope this doesnt stop the music - we are not tired yet ....

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:01 | 1830156 RafterManFMJ
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Oh, so NOW the regulators are concerned about records and violations? FUCK OFF MOTHERFUCKERS!!  Hey, after we've let the motherfucking barn burn down, the horses burned alive, shot the farmer and raped his daughter, sown salt over the property, now let's try to find the farm records and farmer's will...

Man, I CANNOT wait to get called for jury duty for any fucking crime. The perp will walk, no matter what. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:19 | 1830199 blunderdog
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I CANNOT wait to get called for jury duty for any fucking crime. The perp will walk, no matter what.

If I paid any attention to jury summons, I'd try the same trick, but these days, if you don't come to the right decision as a juror, the judge'll probably lock you up for contempt.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:55 | 1830283 nmewn
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Or release the jurors names to the public.

Yes, it happened in Fla. The judge needs some judgement.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:09 | 1830703 Solid
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"judge'll"..WTF? That is not a contraction.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 02:52 | 1830979 Oh regional Indian
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Judge? Jury? You've got to be kidding me. It' ssuch a huge, rigged game. Sickening too.

Huge, rigged adn SICK.

Watch this;

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/what-does-one-say/

I was left speechless.

ORI

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:02 | 1830159 RafterManFMJ
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Double Post

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:43 | 1830259 eatthebanksters
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I can see the news story now..."former Goldman Sachs head and billionaire governor of New Jersey started his prison sentence today.  His cellmate, Bubba, told the governor he was looking forward to getting to know his new bitch and that he heard that GS alums had a thing for cigars..."

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 22:57 | 1830669 Mitch Comestein
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Insight from the movie Officespace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPcql4FuCK0

 

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:39 | 1829941 Chuck Bone
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And yet no one will go to jail...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:58 | 1830006 CPL
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Isn't that the truth of it all.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:20 | 1830200 Bananamerican
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no, the bastards, in the end, will go straight to RAIL...as in tar & feathers, rode out of town on or tied to...

THAT's how much damage they've done.

In 5 years time you will not be able to find anyone willing to cop to being worth more than $10,000

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:40 | 1829947 Hmm...
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They were supposed to [snip] and they're supposed to be able

as my deceased mother used to say:

"sounds like somebody has a terrible case of the "supposed to's"

I personally think that MF global should do whatever they want.  Isn't that capitalism American style?  Their illegal...cough... I mean trade secrets have to be protected.

and Corzine needs a bonus too.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:42 | 1829954 nmewn
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Corzine.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:46 | 1829965 mynhair
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Porcine....

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:51 | 1829982 nmewn
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He needs his personal assets seized before he hauls ass.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:55 | 1829990 X.inf.capt
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thats what usually happens in....LOCK DOWN!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:05 | 1830024 CPL
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<chorus>
Corzine.
Porcine.
He needs his personal assets seized before he hauls ass.
thats what usually happens in....LOCK DOWN!
<chorus>

 

For some reason I read that as lyrics.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:57 | 1830291 Jeff Lebowski
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You posted some time ago about a possible "event". It was unsettling to consider the possibilities of what I believed was implied.

I'm curious - did not come to pass, yet to come, or...?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 22:13 | 1830550 Vic Vinegar
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Seconding Lebowski's remarks.  CPL  had some bone-chilling comments.  Give us an update buddy!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:57 | 1830002 DeadFred
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It's 7PM, do you know where your Corzine is right now?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:55 | 1830286 espirit
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Probably suicided.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:17 | 1830344 nedwardkelly
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Don't worry, if his assets get siezed they'll probably treat him as harshly as Madoffs mrs. She was 'only' allowed to keep $2.5m.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:31 | 1830083 LeonardoFibonacci
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Sorry but Porcine meat (pork) isn't koscher and jews don't eat swine but they sure act like swine when it comes to fucking people over of their life savings.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:30 | 1830228 trav7777
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it's all right there in the Torah.

God commanded them to rape, pillage, loot, and commit genocide.  He sayeth'd to them go down into Caanan and slaughter the fuck out of the people there and taketh their land and lendeth to the gentiles at interest

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:55 | 1830285 bobert
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Angry at God Trav?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:58 | 1830496 Spastica Rex
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What God wants, God gets; God help us all.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 22:08 | 1830536 mynhair
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If 10% is good for  God, 9% is great!

No Cain, no gain.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:43 | 1830260 IQ 101
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Pork is out, Usury is a different matter. Pick a law?

Well it's more of a guideline really as Jack Sparrow would say.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 00:48 | 1830868 baby_BLYTHE
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Dr. William Luther Pierce explains the agenda of the Tribe (Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion) that the likes of Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Charles Lindbergh and many others were privy to far before the knowlegde of much of the rest of us. R.I.P. Dr. Pierce!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w3A7FABb3o

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:43 | 1829958 Mike2756
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Wow, how much of that spills over to other firms?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:14 | 1830048 nyse
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All of it, homie.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:31 | 1830085 Mike2756
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I would hope the rest keep better books than these guys, might be enough to create doubt for a quick run.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:39 | 1830253 knukles
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Ah... it's all hedged...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:33 | 1830089 Real Money Wins
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Chances are they are stalling for time to give their lenders a chance to do damage control before the Bankruptcy reveals that their Lenders are Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America who are already in enough shit (Can You say Shakey Ground) as it is!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:00 | 1830153 CClarity
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This is such a scary Halloween story!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:45 | 1829960 0cz
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Since when are executives not allowed to carry bags of money out of the building as it burns to the ground?  I thought this was the year 2011..... 

What has America become?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:06 | 1830173 Arius
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that's right! and what happened to the privacy rights? should the regulators know everything ?

... if MF doesnt feel like telling them why should they? its getting really bad...

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 00:01 | 1830806 solecsun
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is it privacy rights or piracy rights, we are plundering a sunken vessel right?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:45 | 1829961 mynhair
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Check ODummer's bank records.....the campaign ones.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:45 | 1829962 bob_dabolina
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Democrats are notoriously poor record keepers

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:14 | 1830051 ambrose
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Individual Contributions:

ABELOW, BRADLEY IRA MF GLOBAL/FINANCE MONTCLAIR NJ 07042 05/27/2011 $2,500 Barack Obama

CORZINE, JON MF GLOBAL/CHAIRMAN AND CEO HOBOKEN NJ 07030 05/19/2011 $2,500 Barack Obama

DOWNEY, TEDDY MF GLOBAL/RESEARCH ANALYST WASHINGTON DC 20005 05/06/2011 $250 Barack Obama

MECONIATES, ANTHONY MR. MF GLOBAL/PORTFOLIO MANAGER STAMFORD CT 06902 06/21/2011 $2,500 Mitt Romney

PATT, JOSEPH MF GLOBAL/TRADER NEW YORK NY 10024 06/03/2011 $2,500 Barack Obama

Plus the $500,000+ as a bundler/lobbyist

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bam_recruits_corzine_to_woo_back_rhuD...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:10 | 1830174 Dapper Dan
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This MF Global thingy is so predictable, just look at the bold text below.

 

NEW YORK | Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:11pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jon Corzine's bid to revive his Wall Street career crashed and burned on Monday when his futures brokerage MF Global Holdings Ltd filed for bankruptcy protection following bad bets on euro zone debt.

Corzine, 64, who once ran Goldman Sachs before becoming a U.S. senator and then governor of New Jersey, had been trying to turn the more than 200-year-old MF Global into a mini Goldman by taking on more risky trades.

?Governor of New Jersey (17-Jan-2006 to 19-Jan-2010)
US Senator, New Jersey (2001-06)
Goldman Sachs CEO (1994-99)
Goldman Sachs Partner (1980-99)
Goldman Sachs (1975-80)
Member of the Board of Goldman Sachs (as Chairman, 1994-99)
Bilderberg Group Portugal, Jun-1999
Close Up Foundation Board of Advisors
EMILY's List
Friends of Hillary
Gore 2000
Hillary Clinton for President
Hillary Rodham Clinton for US Senate Committee
New Leadership for America PAC
Obama for America
Obama for Illinois
Progressive Majority
Women's Campaign Forum
Phi Beta Kappa Society
Hillraiser 2008
Funeral: Ted Kennedy (2009)

  Bilderberg Group, Ex Goldman, senator from Jersey,  need I say more?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:36 | 1830240 Carlyle Groupie
Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:41 | 1830258 knukles
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Fucking sexist.  Goes to Ted Kennedy's funeral but didn't show at Mary Jo Kopekne's.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:57 | 1830290 bobert
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Good at shredding though......

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:59 | 1830502 Spastica Rex
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What?

I hate Democrats. But then I hate Republicans, too.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:48 | 1829963 navy62802
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They just need more time to destroy incriminating information.

This event keeps looking more and more like a black swan.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:09 | 1830032 topcallingtroll
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I had an old college friend working as an attorney for author anderson right before it went under. The shredding went on for days and at the very end people were carrying out huge boxes of "personal papers" as they left the building for the last time.

MF wasnt as organized. They are still trying to figure out what to shred.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:10 | 1830185 disabledvet
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more like "what do you mean it's illegal? we do this all the time."

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:19 | 1830041 traditionalfunds
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Not sure if it qualifies as a Black Swan since financial institution failures have been a predictable outcome from the sovereign debt crisis. I.E. Dexia, Goldman Quant closing, etc. 

Still if this blows up like LTCM or Lehman, everybody who needs an excuse for the excess risk they took will call it a Black Swan. And after that gets repeated enough most people will accept that it is was a 'Black Swan'

 

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:48 | 1830119 olo - that's th...
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Lookin like a baboon's ass to me

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:55 | 1830138 SIOP
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navy62802 wrote "This event keeps looking more and more like a black swan"

That's exactly what I've been thinking. This could get real ugly real quick.

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:46 | 1829967 SilverIsKing
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Who are the 'regulators' and what do they 'regulate'?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:49 | 1829976 cossack55
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You should ask either Stephen King or Zane Grey.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:59 | 1830008 ramblinon
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I believe that Warren G would be a much more appropriate source of information.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:25 | 1830075 Robot Traders M...
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+1

Regulators
We regulate any stealing of his property
And we damn good too
But you can't beat any geek off the street,
Gotta be handy with the steel
If you know what I mean, earn your keep
Regulators! Mount up!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:21 | 1830068 candyman
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With all the new regs in place, tightning up of the cooperation between agencies and strict oversight of the street, I thought our regulators would have caught this well in advance. Did I miss something?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:30 | 1830082 Rainman
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Here come the Volcker disciples....as the PDs start a string of losing bets their win/loss ratio goes negative. Such is life in the casino.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-31/mf-global-exposes-prop-trading-risk-that-volcker-wants-to-curb.html

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:40 | 1830104 Freddie
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You missed that there are no laws for the elites especially Democrat elites.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:24 | 1830210 Bananamerican
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pull your head out of your wig wearing ass Freddie

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:37 | 1830428 Fred Hayek
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One of the minor revelations, at least to me, of the New York magazine story early this year, IIRC, was that Dimon, Blankfein and the article said almost all of their fellow biggest of big shots are democrats.

At first, this surprised me. But when you think about it, do any of the filthy ilk of Dimon, Blankfein and Mack want anything to do with a free market? Of course not. They want a stool put under the leg at one corner of the pool table and then credit for shooting balls into the pocket at the opposite corner. An even playing field?! Bear the responsibility for their screwups?! Hahahaha.

Which isn't to say that if they were repubs they would be libertarians or anything but there'd be some small chance.

Big government in service to big business and occasionally vice versa. And the individual can go fvck himself.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 23:58 | 1830798 trav7777
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nah he's right...Democraps are among the most eggregiously hypocritical in regard to breaking the law, such as how Teddy Gun Control Kennedy had private security guards attempt to bring automatic submachine guns into the Senate building.

Repugnicons are total filth, but the democraps occupy a whole nother plane of hell

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:25 | 1830213 Dapper Dan
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:47 | 1829969 azzhatter
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Corzine's bonus should involve Bubba and the Alabama black snake

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:47 | 1829971 LeBalance
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We, for one, can't wait.

the tylers are one?

Neo!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:00 | 1830011 DeadFred
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By writing styles at least a trinity, unless MPD is involved.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:12 | 1830323 Mike in GA
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Good catch, Lebalance!  I read right over that one. It's so grammatically perfect yet mind-twisting at the same time. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:47 | 1829972 mynhair
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FFB have a green energy loan out to MF?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:48 | 1829973 cossack55
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I always thought Los Zetas was a Primary Dealer.  Or is that Wachovia?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:49 | 1829975 Poor Grogman
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Did someone just pull a card out from the derivative tower?
Everyone please don't move for a second....

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:55 | 1829995 Mark123
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Jenga baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdNeaSgqcFg

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:09 | 1830178 blunderdog
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Everything's just fine.  The tower's still upright, see?

http://www.gojoccoaryan.com/gamedepot/images/jenga.jpg

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:49 | 1829977 ArkansasAngie
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This needs to be made a model of transparency. 

Especially in light of this being one of potentially many more to come.  Insolvency is a bitch.

Stuff this in your pipe Benny boy the next time you feel the erge to say something about liquidity.

Maybe OWS should start a colection to buy the corpse for better display opportunities

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:16 | 1830192 disabledvet
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it doesn't get anymore transparent. They said right on CNBC from the Chicago trading pits, "listen...we're talking families here. people have to eat." who knew? they really do take these people right off the street!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZKDkLgzhk&feature=player_detailpage

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:50 | 1829979 Mark123
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They will need video of Corzine buggering Bernanke to generate any interest amongst the great unwashed.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:00 | 1830013 unum mountaineer
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they will need  video of corzine fisting bernanke,geithner and mary shapiro in order to generate any interest amongst the great unwashed. there fixed it for ya. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:21 | 1830205 4horse
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just too often used and alluded to at zh, am finally suspicious- if not just sickened-enough with what youse highly invested toughguy types keep doing with this sodomy-sense-of-humor so many seem otherwise compelled to chime in about. thinkerbelles*

 

 

 

yeh. tinkerbells: fyi/and btw; *rape ain't no soap joke. anywhere. nevermind high-minded here amongst the fearful

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:46 | 1830265 knukles
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Lighten the butt fuck up.  Quit with the anal retentive shit.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:31 | 1830404 4horse
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Quitanal retentiveshit

.

this pathetically freudian, no wonder the apologia over the b_fuck. after_the_fact -fucked all-seven-ways-from-sunday, but defending feces of what's their and your feared sundae surprise

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:11 | 1830319 bobert
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Agree with you 4horse.

Would help the readability and enjoyment if some here would clean it up a bit.

 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:52 | 1829984 defn8Dog
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"with even one simple affidavit still to be filed in Bankruptcy Court"... what affidavit is in question please, ZH.  Doesn't an affidavit need to accompany the bankrupcty petition? 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:55 | 1829998 Tyler Durden
Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:52 | 1830125 I am a Man I am...
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Gee, I sure hope "Director Fees" are able to get their money back as an unsecured creditor.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:57 | 1830144 Schmuck Raker
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Only $100K owing on the form.

Plenty more paid out previous to the filing, to be sure.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:20 | 1830202 disabledvet
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what's the deal with "5 million in assets" and "15 million in liabilities"? or did i hear that one wrong?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:48 | 1830268 knukles
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If we're only talkin' about a $10 million deficiency, then this is all hat and no cows.  Make that Billion and then we got some Zeros to play with.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:14 | 1830331 bobert
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Wasn't that $41B in assets and $39B in liabilities (prior to the Greek haircut).

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:15 | 1830052 ReallySparky
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Sometimes those PACER uploads take days.  They will drag out those filings, or tell the clerks to upload it after the cutoff.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:21 | 1830064 kaiserhoff
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Such is life.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:41 | 1830106 defn8Dog
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It appears attorney Kanneth Ziman signed on behalf of MF, under bankruptcy code provision 707(b)(4)(D), which basically allows an attorney to sign the attestation with the exculpatory statement that the "attorney has no knowledge after inquiry that the information in the schedules filed with the petition is incorrect." 

It's likely

 common practice, but the observation is an interesting one.   

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:52 | 1829985 DutchR
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Books, what books?

It's all in good faith, you now, like god's work......BITCHEZ!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:55 | 1829996 Lone Deranger
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One question would be if they were somehow tapping into the segregated customer funds - especially to make their untimely bets on the European situaltion. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:20 | 1830062 unununium
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Haha!

Funny to see it written down in black and white.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:22 | 1830069 Stagflationary
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       *DJ SEC: Early This Morning MF Global Reported Possible Deficiencies In Customer Futures Segregated Accounts     

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