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Panic Resumes: Gold To New Highs, Treasury Yields To New Lows, WTI About To Break $70 And Futures Sliding

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Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:53 | 1575360 brew
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Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:46 | 1575574 NewThor
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Some dirty puked up douche on CNBC just said "I don't like Gold. It has no industrial uses and IT IS A FIAT CURRENCY."


So i guess this guy didn't notice the 1200 to 1836 run up in the last year?

I wonder if asshats like Buffet and the like bag on gold so they can keep the little people away from the "secret".



Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:01 | 1575627 scatterbrains
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Some times I wonder, these banker fuckers must be smart enough to see the destruction that's coming, if they know there is going to be a reset on a global scale why not choose a bank.. maybe BAC to naked short the shit out of the paper gold markets timed so they can be there on the side lines picking up physical at the lower bounds of the parabolic range in gold, knowing full well that in the end the bank is going to explode anyway.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:16 | 1575681 NewThor
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I've never shorted before....

I want to short now. NOW. NOW. NOW.

Before the short bans come in.

Anyone got any suggestions on some good retail stocks to short?

Or any shorting advice at all?

I'll look for $8.00 burritos, $100 dollar sweat pants or $200 dollar yoga mats.

ROBOT. talk to me buddy. I actually love you shtick, and believe you're Tyler Durden's secret identity.



Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:28 | 1575742 delacroix
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I've had shares that I sold short, recalled, before the decline put me in the money. had to buy to cover, at a higher price. the corruption, permeates the whole system. only risk, what you can afford to lose.  margin, is a double edged sword.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:18 | 1576505 Flakmeister
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I hear you... going short is not for the little guy, better off puying puts....

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:34 | 1576563 I Told YOU So
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Learn the safest trade of all "vertical option spreads" long and short. lots of info available online. just make a commitment to learn it.


Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:58 | 1575364 CrashisOptimistic
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Y'all just do not understand.

The Brent spread just hit $25.

No one cares what WTI is.  The world doesn't use it.  The US doesn't use much of it.  60% of US oil consumption is imported and it's not imported at WTI prices.  It comes in at Brent prices.  

WTI is an obsolete benchmark and it is corrupting a lot of thinking.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:58 | 1575378 r101958
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Crash - Absolutely correct.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:09 | 1575410 brew
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errr...just a soft patch

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:19 | 1575451 WestVillageIdiot
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My wife hates when I have that. 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:23 | 1575471 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Uhhh, this has never happened before...

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:11 | 1575421 chump666
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WTI is more liquid than Bent, hardly traded compared to WTI  -  thus being a benchmark oil price.  Brent is cornered by major players, playing the spread between WTI and Brent. 


Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:42 | 1575550 CrashisOptimistic
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Guy, your car doesn't trade oil.  Refineries don't care what goes on in a trading pit.  They have to pay the rate of the imported black stuff.  

Think about it.  Why would you sell Nigerian oil to Houston refineries at WTI prices when you can get Brent prices from someone else (China).

Your car doesn't trade oil.  It burns it.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 06:27 | 1576258 Stax Edwards
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Bullshit you have no f'n clue what you are talking.  These are "spot" prices of different grades of crude. Brent is more valuable as it is light sweet crude and easiest to refine.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:05 | 1576445 Flakmeister
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WTI is higher grade oil than Brent... Check out the price of Tapis or Louisiana Sweet

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:10 | 1575416 unum mountaineer
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it would be silly to not expect a full line of obfuscatory measures when we're talking oil. its the same as a basket of consumer goods minus the food inputs...you'll get shitfor it and people like roubini get their fifteen minutes. ftmtw

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:29 | 1575497 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, and the price of gold and platinum will never cross either.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:45 | 1575566 Man Bear Pig
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60% of US oil consumption is imported and it's not imported at WTI prices.  It comes in at Brent prices.  

this makes a lot of sense. can you link to the 60% imported at brent prices data?

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:05 | 1576448 Flakmeister
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Go to the EIA website and educate yourself

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:56 | 1575367 sheeple
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Gotta get out my gold 1900 hat


Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:11 | 1575419 WestVillageIdiot
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The gold price has me scared.  Many of the people I have spoken to for 5 years on this subject (yes, I was a little late) are now seriously looking into buying AU.  These people sat with their thumbs up their Bernankes for 5 years.  Now they feel they have to get in.  Isn't that a scary event?

Gold is currently at $1,836.  Or I should say the dollar is now at 1/1836 ounces of gold. 

I hate when the market is going down and I know it is going to go down.  I have been burned by those god damn options so many times that I can never get it right.  Just when you have the deer lined up in your sites somebody like Bernanke or Obama flaps their gums and Bambi goes sailing away.  The next thing you know Leo Getz fucked.

I really let one get away today.  I doubt I'm the only one.

I hope one of you maniacs made a freaking killing off of CMG today.  And LULU.  Somebody needs to shove it up the rear-ends of those obnoxious longs that were acting like they were doing something fundamentally right, instead of just chasing some momo piece of shit. 

Good luck tomorrow.  There is lightning over Wall Street.  Why can't it hit something, say on Maiden Lane, right down the hill from the Pound and Pence. 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:19 | 1575452 Yes_Questions
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They fuck you at the drive-through!

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:22 | 1575464 Argos
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"Thumbs up their Bernankes", Ok, that's the best use of Bernanke that

I've ever heard.  It's positively golden!



Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:13 | 1575432 WestVillageIdiot
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I have a gold $2,000 speedo.  Something tells me humanity would be better off if I kept that in the drawer. 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:21 | 1575463 Bullionaire
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I have a "Gold $10,000" speedo.  My wife loves it.



Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:27 | 1575490 Manthong
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If you've got it, flaunt it.

Mine matches my Rolex President.  :)

Problem is, no pockets for the AGE's.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:44 | 1575560 eftian
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My Speedo Hyperinflates when I get excited!

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:00 | 1575624 WestVillageIdiot
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My experience has shown me to always expect a period of deflation after a bout of hyperinflation.  As I get older the deflationary periods get longer and longer. 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:26 | 1575488 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Ha, ha.  Yeah, I remember when now deceased Mark at CNBC had his Dow 14,000 hat on as the Dow approached that number.  Funny, the hat was conspicuosly absent during the retrarcement:)

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:49 | 1575585 Ponzi Unit
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CNBC Mark was overtly hostile to non-cheerleader guests -- always looked like we was going to bite them.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:56 | 1575369 drink or die
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:12 | 1575426 WestVillageIdiot
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Just drink a shitload of Robitussin.  You'll be alright. 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:21 | 1575700 Creepy Lurker
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Damnit, you guys made me spew. LOL

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:23 | 1575472 jesse livermoore
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have you ever slipped in the mud and get kicked in the face with an iron boot?................   no forget it, thats dumb, that never happens.....lol

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 20:56 | 1575370 RobotTrader
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Crashing oil prices + world record low interest rates+ skyrocketing gold prices = giant profits for the gold mining companies.

Yet the GDX/GLD ratio has plunged again to new 2011 lows.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:12 | 1575424 Theta_Burn
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Hedge agreements biting them in the ass thats for sure....who knew? there has to be piles of undeclared nug somewhere.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:21 | 1575460 Yes_Questions
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In my dealer's basement.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:27 | 1575686 GoinFawr
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What hedges? Even Barrick wizened up to that one, what, 8oo fiatscos or so ago? MB they lied about closing that book, again? Ashanti learned their lesson years back too. The only companies hedging these days haven't even started producing yet, or aren't producing much, and need the banks' teats to get themselves off the ground.

No, looks to me more like naked shorters dousing themselves in gasoline and praying that nobody lights a match before their pocketed policy makers can force the bamboozle to stick (bonne chance this time, effers). Hell, they've even got their puppet regulators putting up 'No Smoking' signs, for all the good that will do in the long run. In short: discouragement, but that won't last forever. Are you tall enough to be on this ride?

Some miners are struggling to secure financing for expansion (now I wonder why that would be; seeing as they are so obviously lucrative) and are pissing off their shareholders with PP's and other dilutive ways of raising capital, actions the naked shorts simply adore exploiting.

OTOH, other companies are going the other way and buying back shares with all the money they're pulling out of the ground, and those are the ones that will never make RT's myopic radar because they don't support his point.

Short version: don't pay attention to RT (moot, I know), look at the green on your screen. Some of those shorts may be sporting brown stripes in the near future.

Alternately, just buy physical and sleep like a baby.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:24 | 1575474 Tuco Benedicto ...
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As you know if a particular gold mining company is fully hedged they have capped their profits and by proxy their stock price.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:26 | 1575484 Boston
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And what did GDX do in 2008, after staging a valiant recovery in July of that year?

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:20 | 1576510 Flakmeister
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The first week of Nov 2008 was the greatest buying oppurtunity for gold miners.... GDX was ~16 or so. 

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:41 | 1575541 DormRoom
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It's more an indicator of a physical gold bubble.  There's an arb opportunity here.. buy GLD put options when gold prices hit 2000, and hedge by buying undervalued gold producers.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:03 | 1575609 Man Bear Pig
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A physical gold bubble would imply that sometime in the future gold will become easier to aquire. Is that what you're saying? I think you'd be better off skipping the whole casino game and just buying gold while you still can. Play time is over, it's time to get serious.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:59 | 1575617 Baptiste Say
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What makes you think there is a physical gold bubble? Also if you expect a pullback in gold price then why would YOU buy gold producers?


Thanks in advanced.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:22 | 1575696 DormRoom
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if you look @ the chart comparing percentage gains of gold producers and physical gold, you'll see a growing spread.  So either gold producers will rise, given lowering energy cost, or physical gold prices will correct.


So you buy put options on GLD, and you hedge by buying undervalued gold producers, until the spread narrows.  I would also buy far out of the money put options on GLD, if gold climbs above 2000.  There are very few phenomena that can sustain exponential growth for an extended period of time.   I'm looking for the right entry point to complete this trade. Likely around when the SPX hits 1070; it's July 2010 lows.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 00:40 | 1575790 phaesed
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A name I remember and respect.... glad to see you still here RT.

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Thu, 08/18/2011 - 21:20 | 1575455 DavidJ
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many sheeple should be. They are busy watching some moronic tv show or playing some game by Zynga!

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 22:05 | 1575644 Two Towers AU AG
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Its XBOX and HALO reach for me..

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