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PFG's Chairman Was Forging Bank Documents For Years Even As The CFTC Gave An "All Clear"

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If there is an event that should cost Gary Gensler his job as head regulator at the CFTC, it is this. According to a just released Reuters report, the head of MFG(lobal) part 2, PFG, whose story we broke yesterday, Russell Wasendorf Sr. "intercepted and forged bank documents for more than two years to cover up hundreds of millions of dollars in missing money, a person close to the situation." Once Wasendorf realized he was caught, and knew the implications of his actions would be exposed for the whole world to see, he tried to commit suicide, and failed. "Wasendorf, 64, is reported to be in a coma after a suicide attempt Monday morning, according to a complaint filed by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission on Tuesday that accuses Wasendorf and Peregrine of fraud." And while crime happens all the time, what is truly stunning is that as we reported previously, the CFTC gave the firm a clean bill of health in its January inspection of Peregrine Financial Group. That's 6 months ago. The CFTC, as a reminder, was it regulator. The entity whose sole charge is to make sure that firms at least have real, not rehypothecated, cash in their segregated client bank accounts. PFG never did for the past two years. And somehow the CFTC missed this. MF Global was a warning shot, and the CFTC missed it entirely. And not only that but 2 months later ir pronounced PFG clean. For this Gensler has to be fired immediately, and with prejudice.

More from Reuters:

The source offered new details on how Wasendorf allegedly carried out the deceit, which involved the forging of confidential documents that the NFA uses to verify a broker's cash balance with its depository institution.


Wasendorf intercepted these documents after they were mailed by the NFA, the broker's first-line regulator, to U.S. Bank, where PFGBest had said it had well over $200 million on deposit, the person said. The NFA has said the account actually held just $5 million this week.


Wasendorf had set up a post office box in Cedar Falls, Iowa, according to a second person involved in the matter. It was to that post office box that NFA sent the documents, which were addressed to the bank.


The post office box was neither in Wasendorf's name nor registered to the bank, the second person said.


Wasendorf then forged signatures and fabricated bank balances on the documents and simply mailed them back to the Chicago-based NFA, the person said.


Calls to spokespeople for PFGBest and NFA were not returned. A woman who answered the phone at the home of Wasendorf declined to comment.

If anyone deserves some credit here, it is the NFA:

The scheme apparently began to unravel after the NFA began to press Wasendorf, who was an early advocate of electronic trading, to allow the regulator to confirm balances electronically and directly with the bank, rather than in a hard copy via mail, the person said.


NFA "started getting suspicious. He was resisting this new way of confirming the balance," the source said.


Wasendorf only recently signed the authorization, a decision that would quickly have led regulators to uncover the discrepancy, the person said. PFGBest's total segregated funds requirement was around $400 million, meaning more than half is missing.

Finally the spin: PFG is not MFG, it is Madoff.

While news that a second broker in less than a year appears to have misappropriated customer funds drew immediate comparisons to the MF Global failure in October, the source said the prolonged nature of the apparent deceit drew a more fitting parallel to the Ponzi scheme run by Bernard Madoff, though the size of the funds missing from PFGBest is tiny by comparison.

Well thank god for that: the farmers whose money is now forever gone can sleep much better knowing their cash was not Corzined, it was merely Made-off.

Of course, the real problem is that since there was only $5 million in the "client fund", there never likely was more than $5 million in real cash terms to begin with.

And this is what the CFTC signed off on.

Cur Congressional banana hearings, witch trials, and more fingerpointing which will result in more of the same: a former Goldmanite in charge of the CFTC, and virtually no hope that anything in these broken capital markets will ever be fixed until the big reset finally sweeps all this toxic garbage away.


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Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:01 | 2603706 francis_sawyer
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His 'Luis Dega' life awaits on PAPILLION ISLAND...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:02 | 2603724 SHEEPFUKKER

Captain Edward J. Smith of the Titanic.......all clear. 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:14 | 2603758 CrazyCooter
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For this Gensler has to be fired immediately, and with prejudice.

Unfortunately this must mean he will be the next Treasury Secretary. Gotta hit a high bat average to warm that seat!



Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:38 | 2603848 NotApplicable
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Outraged Tyler is outraged.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:43 | 2603871 HoofHearted
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I nominate Turd Feguson for Gensler's seat. Thumbs up if you agree. Down if I'm an idiot. Maybe you should be able to hit both buttons...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:02 | 2603943 Pegasus Muse
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William K Black

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:06 | 2603956 cossack55
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Good fuckin' call, PM. +15.8 trillion

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:14 | 2604137 Thomas
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Death by Bongo. 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:08 | 2604661 merizobeach
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"Wasendorf, 64, is reported to be in a coma" the Cayman Islands?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:03 | 2604115 cougar_w
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Good choice if only because Charles Keating wanted him dead.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:30 | 2604174 Vegamma
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Totally agree PM. I think Black is our last chance...and therefore TPTB will never let it happen. Sigh.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:09 | 2603965 laughing_swordfish
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I nominate Chumbawamba.

If he declines, then Cognitive Dissonance/

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:25 | 2604166 Al Gorerhythm
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Chumbawumba. Oh yeah, baby.

The Carnage. The Carnage. 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:25 | 2604336 Cognitive Dissonance
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If nominated I will not run. If elected I will not serve.

(BTW what does the position pay.........just in know.............ummm............never mind.:>)

<humor tag for the humor impaired>

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:09 | 2604125 El Oregonian
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"The LORD detests the use of dishonest scales, but he delights in accurate weights."

-Proverbs 11:1

New living Translation

Everyone either is rewarded or, pays in the end.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:01 | 2603940 Al Huxley
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I thought Tyler understood how the system work.  Overlooking this kind of shit is exactly why Gensler has his job.  To think otherwise would be to believe that the regulatorly bodies are actually there to prevent fraud in the system, which is akin to believing in unicorns, fairies and wizards.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:47 | 2604404 JLee2027
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Yes, until caught and then the Genz is the fall guy is my take.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:08 | 2604466 disabledvet
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"The Chicago Way." Surprised anyone things any different in these here parts. Hell the President was even in Iowa "asking for your vote!" How about he start by having his AG arrested and taken to Gitmo? I know I wouldn't be too happy to know the "you know who" are up to it again! How 'bout that healthcare bill Mr. President! Shall we talk War in Syria! No? Really? Hmmmm. Go figure. Oh, look! It's Angela Merkel on Line One sir! i wonder what she wants!???

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 00:48 | 2604921 Rasna
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Wasendorf would have been in the clear if he had continued to use magic markers and crayons on yellow legal pad on those intercepted mail docs.  He probably could have enlisted Gensler's help.

It was only when he began substituting typed (air quotes) official looking (close air quotes) fraudulent docs, that looked real, that the NFA and CFTC became suspicious.  "Somethin jus didn't luk rit," claimed an unnamed CFTC source to FT. (You fuck with the mail... You go to jail),

As for the $200M?  That's "Weekend at Bernies" money for Jaime.  Holder doesn't even answer the phone for that.

And I'm also guessing that the PFG traders weren't looking at their monthly statements.  Oh, wait... 

Wasendorf was intercepting those also!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:18 | 2603990 newworldorder
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This is America - CrazyCooter,

No one with a title of Manager or Above gets fired with prejudice. Its just not done. It would brand a person as incomptent and delelict in his duties. Cant have that especially for an ex Goldmanite favorate son.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 00:29 | 2604904 Dr. Sandi
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For this Gensler has to be fired immediately, and with prejudice.

Gensler's not going anywhere. But the guy who cleans his office is looking at 20 years of hard time for his involvement.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:55 | 2603902 Gringo Viejo
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With all due respect to gays, (including my brother) I'm an old ex-marine and I mean only an expletive of stress in a combat situation.


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:56 | 2603919 Rainman
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Semper fi , bro !

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:02 | 2603946 francis_sawyer
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The NAVY invented sex...

MARINES invented sex with women...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:11 | 2603971 Gringo Viejo
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As per Sid, in Ken Burns' movie "The War"...about WWII: The Marine recruiter told him "you can't enlist in the Navy anyway......because your parents are married."

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:21 | 2604006 knukles
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Why the Navy doesn't need goats aboard ships.

   Olde US Navy adage.

Naval personnel

   USMC knowledge.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:01 | 2604448 post turtle saver
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My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:47 | 2604081 unemployed
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 The Guadacanal Seabees told me that to be an Army Ranger you had to be an orphan....   Probably something about not having to write letters to the survivors etc.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:48 | 2604086 stormsailor
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hey now 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:21 | 2604320 HungrySeagull
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No no no.

The Marines invented sex by the Buddy System.

Two by two...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:20 | 2603769 Al Gorerhythm
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Can we have his fucking waterboy, Bart Chilton, handcuffed to Gary's ankle when the boat sails? I don't want to see that CUNT even trying to stand tall as he goes.

Just in case you didn't get the emphasis Bart: CUUUUUUUUNT!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:54 | 2603910 nmewn
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Saaay...isn't Chilton a "regulator"?

This won't go over well with the regulate first ask questions later crowd ;-)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:30 | 2604173 Al Gorerhythm
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He's a storefront manequin with a loop recorded message.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:34 | 2604183 nmewn
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Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:32 | 2604177 LetThemEatRand
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Saaaay... isn't PFG's Chairman a "private businessman?"

This won't go over well with the free market first ask questions later crowd.  ;-(

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:36 | 2604191 nmewn
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You're a private business "man" aren't you?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:46 | 2604210 LetThemEatRand
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I am.   Do you think I should be eliminated because the PFG private businessman was corrupt?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:50 | 2604215 tmosley
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Clearly you need more regulation because of him.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:54 | 2604228 LetThemEatRand
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I am heavily regulated and doing just fine.  And I am a small business.  The problem as I see it is the large corporations and banks which are regulated on the books but not in practice due to capture of our government.       

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:24 | 2604331 LetThemEatRand
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I finally figured you out.  You work for a big company and in advocating the elimination of regulation, you are talking your book.  Tell me I'm wrong.  What do you do?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:06 | 2604259 nmewn
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"Do you think I should be eliminated because the PFG private businessman was corrupt?"

No, the question is, do you think other private business men should be eliminated because one private business man was corrupt?

That is what happens to "marginal" businesses just starting out when over regulated. Regulation can also act as the friend of the monopoly...that is, large corps, as it cuts down on the competition who do not have the staff to comply with the complexity and expense of compliance.

Think about it.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:12 | 2604285 LetThemEatRand
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Of course I don't think that one private business man's corruption should end business.  I am in business, unlike you.  I have been advocating for a long time that we need to gut our regulatory system and take money out of govenment because regulation is a friend of big business.  You, on the other hand, have been advocating getting rid of government regulation almost completely.  Have you come around to my point of view?  

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:51 | 2604413 nmewn
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"I am in business, unlike you."

I was introduced to what my accountant called an intangible tax...when I had my own business. 

A curious contrivance of the state that says once one buys a piece of equipment or fixed asset they must continue to pay a tax yearly. I said no, shove was the principle of the thing.

Point being, you're wrong again...I've been a private actor twice (legally) ;-)

"I have been advocating for a long time that we need to gut our regulatory system and take money out of govenment because regulation is a friend of big business."

Well, thats news to me, I don't read every one of your comments.

"You, on the other hand, have been advocating getting rid of government regulation almost completely."

I've already told you I'm not an can't possibly be confusing me with anyone I'll take "almost" as it was intended?

"Have you come around to my point of view?"

Doubtful...but I do hold out "hope" for first reaction last night was more regulation and regulators...mine was jail on the regs we already have on the books.

A distinct difference.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:59 | 2604443 LetThemEatRand
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You can depreciate the equipment etc.  And my guess is you never had enough personal property to trigger intangible.  

Putting that aside, you misunderstand me.  I advocate for more effective regulation and elmination of entire arms of captured government.  I want more regulation and less fake regulation.  Absent taking our government back from the big corporations who you believe should run the world, we are all screwed.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 06:52 | 2605238 nmewn
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"You can depreciate the equipment etc.  And my guess is you never had enough personal property to trigger intangible." accountant would be shocked, shocked I say, to learn that and wrong guess again. But lets not get side tracked.

My point is...laws, regulation and taxes are a burden on business always. Small business bears a higher burden by virtue of their size. Regulation is more easily borne by a large corp...not a small one. The more regulation you have, the less small biz, the more monopoly status of the large...less competition against the large.

If you can't see that this is a "hopeless" exchange.

"I advocate for more effective regulation and elmination of entire arms of captured government."

Well,so do I. Dept of Ed...DHS...Energy...HHS...its a very long list.

"Absent taking our government back from the big corporations who you believe should run the world, we are all screwed."

You do realize governments are nothing but a variation of a big corporation don't you?

The only real difference is a government can legally take your life or property by force and you have no recourse except to meet it with force. The shareholders (us) are the ones who give it that power for one reason and one reason alone...that they use that power sparingly to enforce law evenly and fairly across the board. When it doesn't, we dissolve the corporation.

Think about it, right down to the "letters of incorporation"...or as is commonly known...a constitution.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:31 | 2603811 westboundnup
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We never separate old friends.  Book them on the next transport.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:59 | 2603934 Dugald
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Don't they jump out of windows anymore???

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:45 | 2604207 nmewn
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Many have no shame values.

Nothing but hollow shells.

They are bereft of what makes them recognizable as human beings...and its not just in "high finance" either.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 10:17 | 2605815 StychoKiller
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Most modern skyscrapers don't have windows that open (easily).

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 07:29 | 2605292 Mr Kurtz
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No, they become Governors and Senators for the state of New Jersey.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:12 | 2603975 laughing_swordfish
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Road Camp 13. Both of them.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:04 | 2603951 FL_Conservative
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"Boss, the plane!"

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:34 | 2604052 Peter Pan
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A financial system to be operating as honestly as possible requires three components. Firstly some degree of conscience. Secondly some level of safeguards. And thirdly if the above fail, there has to be swift and effective punishment.

Given that all three components are severely lacking, one is forced to rely on previous metals which are immune to theft by the above.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:15 | 2604112 Jay Gould Esq.
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Devil's Island indeed.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:12 | 2604132 TeMpTeK
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To Our Valued Clients: 

We at R.J. O’Brien (RJO) recognize that you may have questions about how we safeguard your 

assets and ensure the financial stability of our firm.  I assure you that we remain committed to earning 

your business and confidence day after day.  We have always taken extraordinary pride in the service 

and breadth of offerings we provide for our clients.  And our clients have always taken comfort in our 

strength, stability and focus on risk management. To that end, I’ll remind you of some important points 

about our firm: 

? RJO has no relationship with or exposure to Peregrine Financial Group, the firm that is the subject 

of recent news reports. 

? RJO is a privately held entity with a nearly 100-year track record of success, the cornerstone of 

which is our integrity and a profound commitment to our long-term client relationships.  Testament 

to this, we have never experienced a material regulatory issue or loss of any customer funds. 

? RJO’s position in the marketplace remains very strong, with a regulatory capital base of over $188 

million -- $47 million more than is required by the Commodity Exchange Act. 

? We do not engage in proprietary trading.  We choose to operate as an agency model brokerage 

company that does not trade for our own account, thus focusing all of our resources squarely on 

our customers. 

? Through our entire history, we have maintained proper segregation of client assets.  At RJO, we 

consider this customer segregation rule to be a sacred, inviolable bond between our firm and our 

clients.  In fact, we currently carry $140 million in excess of what is required by the Commodity 

Exchange Act

? We use a straightforward method of reporting our segregated client assets, and we believe in full 

transparency in regard to these assets.  

? We invest customer assets within the guidelines of CFTC Rule 1.25.  However, we do not invest in 

European or other foreign sovereign debt, municipal  securities or asset backed securities.  We 

also do not engage in internal repo. 

? When customer segregated funds are deposited with a banking institution, the bank signs a 

written acknowledgement stating it will not use  the funds for anyone other than the customer.  

RJO’s segregated customer funds are deposited principally at Harris Bank, Wells Fargo, Fifth 

Third Bank, JPMorgan and the various exchanges on which RJO transacts business. We take 

great care on a daily basis in validating that the bank figures match up with what is reported to the 


We believe that prudent risk management, in addition to a strong capital structure, is the most 

effective means of providing a safety net for clients.  The combination of quality clients, brokers and 

staff, along with an active and experienced risk management team, ensures the safety of your assets 

and the capital base of the firm.  RJO will continue to hold ourselves accountable to the highest 

standards which have earned our clients’ trust and confidence for nearly 100 years.  We are ever 

grateful for your business and look forward to serving you for years to come. 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:34 | 2604182 Al Gorerhythm
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Promises, promises.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:51 | 2604220 THECOMINGDEPRESSION

God HELP US..This video shows this man pulled over and asked if he was a "citizen". If this happens, follow him..

Welcome to the Police State!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:58 | 2603707 midgetrannyporn
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The Allstate guard dog commercial comes to mind:

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 17:59 | 2603713 barliman
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The SCOAMF has to go first. ...

... then we can worry about the other vermin.


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:00 | 2603714 Harvey Lee Oswald
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Cue progressive noise that we need more regulatory oversight

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2603744 cougar_w
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we needz moar reguritory overseas.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2603788 francis_sawyer
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 (+1)... lol ~ only COUGAR could be so succinct!... :-)


Wait... shuld ida mizspeled dat?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:39 | 2603852 NotApplicable
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It's LOLcat.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:39 | 2603853 JohnnyBriefcase
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cooger pls

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:11 | 2603746 Rusticus
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If it leads to more bankers in comas, why not ?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:22 | 2604009 knukles
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, bankers , bankers , bankers ,

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:13 | 2603753 Dr. Richard Head
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I prefer the sentiment that these agencies are merely understaffed and underfunded. If we just make them BIGGER and give them MORE MONEY with MORE STAFF with the right people in place the whole world will rejoice and every man gets a handjob and orgasms for the ladies. Unicorns shitting skittles baby.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:30 | 2603807 youngman
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We would get better Porno Channels if they got bigger...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:32 | 2603820 Dr. Richard Head
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Free subscription to YouPorn for all regulators. That is the ticket.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:04 | 2603949 NotApplicable
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Well, there goes the fuggin budget.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:25 | 2604521 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Quanitative skeezing....

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:14 | 2603757 surf0766
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progressive = marxist

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:59 | 2604238 Blankenstein
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There is no reason to have new laws if we don't enforce the ones that are already on the books.  New laws are nothing more than dangling carrots for the sheep.  


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:09 | 2603718 TruthInSunshine
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Dear Sirs,


This is outrageous!

Both Mr. Russell Wasendorf Sr. & Gary Gensler must be dealt with harshly and promptly!

I demand a full and impartial investigation of this egregious matter that, quite frankly, shocks the conscience of those of us who "play by the rules."

The financial system, the American People, and account holders at PFG deserve justice and relief.




Jon S. Corzine


Former United States Senator (D-NJ), Former Governor of New Jersey, Former CEO of Goldman Sachs, Former CEO of MF Global (a former Primary Dealer), and prominent Obama Bundler

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:24 | 2603786 SHEEPFUKKER


Honorable Jon S. Corzine

fixed it for ya. 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:24 | 2604014 knukles
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Honorable "fucking laughing all the way to the bank you can't touch me, motherfucker, LOL" Jon S. Corzine

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:41 | 2604067 cougar_w
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Yes he signs off every letter exactly like that -- exactly -- giggling the whole time.

Except his personal secretary makes him clean it up before she'll send anything he's written.

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 00:25 | 2604891 knukles
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Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:36 | 2603830 blueridgeviews
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Best comment ever! Thanks for BIG laugh.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:01 | 2603720 realtick
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The big deflationary reset.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:01 | 2603721 sunnydays
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CFTC  needs to be sued by all account holders of both the M****** F*****s!  People can actually sue them too.


enough is enough of the stealing of people's money.  It seems there is not one broker or bank that can be trusted at all.  You certainly can't trust the govt. agencies that are suppose to be regulating them.



Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:05 | 2603729 lakecity55
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Hang 'em all! Let God sort 'em out!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:13 | 2603754 cranky-old-geezer
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enough is enough of the stealing of people's money.

You ain't seen notin yet.  Wait till they grab your 401k's.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:16 | 2603762 john39
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in reality, this has probably already happened...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:54 | 2603909 MsCreant
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I think the geezer is talking about when congress does it formally out in the open, but yeah.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:48 | 2604211 Quisat_Sadarak
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Think about this for a just second.
The "Bush tax cuts for rich" end 2013. Dividends and Capital gains get taxed a 39% and 28% (plus additional 3.9% with recent court O-care ruling) above $250K ("The Rich").

With imminent inflation (pending the next FED QE installment(s)) your $5 dollars left in your 401K after inflation will be worth $5 million nominal eventually... thus you are now scumbag millionaire when you cash in your whole $5MM 401K to buy a single can of cat food for a last meal when you retire and report to the death panel, you then owe anywhere form 32%-to-43% on your windfall sale for a gain of $4.99MM. Pay up and kindly die.

That is how it is done "in the open".
The mechanism is already in place ;-)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:05 | 2604252 DeadFred
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When it's done it will seem to many as a proper and patriotic thing to do help the good old USofA prevail against China/Iran/whatever boogeyman they create. It will seem especially proper to those who don't have a 401K. The theft can't be done just outright so real people will die to give them the excuse.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:23 | 2603785 Ratscam
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as the visionary comedian George Carlin predicted back in the 90 is

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:25 | 2604333 Bunga Bunga
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It's theit own fault, nobody is forced to save in a 401k.


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:04 | 2603727 Josh Randall
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"It's not a lie, if you believe it..."  George Costanza


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:37 | 2604056 ZeroAvatar
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"This wine is the blood of Christ, and this bread is the body................."

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:04 | 2603728 Rainman
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A Squid disciple is commanding general at CFTC....he busy with other more important 'chores' than penny-ante embezzelment.... we should all know this by now.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:39 | 2604059 ZeroAvatar
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Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:08 | 2603736 cougar_w
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Gensler: "PFG is down? Excellent news! The war in the east is proceeding splendidly."

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:09 | 2603737 buzzsaw99
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the sec, cftc, etc., aid and abet the big fraudsters. the fbi, doj, etc., work for the squid. there is no law and order going on in high places.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2603742 Turin Turambar
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Cost him his job?  PUHLEEEEEZ!  Most bureaucrats get a PROMOTION after something like this.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:10 | 2603743 tekhneek
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Oh my lucky stripes, a ponzi scheme!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:26 | 2603793 MsCreant
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The entire e-con-a-me is a Ponzi scheme!

It's so funny, we need to label the kind of con properly. Nevermind all of it is taking money from unsuspecting people and using it the way the thief wants to use it, instead of the intended purpose. Stolen funds are funds that have been comingled with the thief's wallet and bank account. But we must make a distinction here...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:15 | 2603980 laughing_swordfish
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US Economy = Control Fraud married to a Ponzi Scheme

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:11 | 2603747 fonzannoon
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What about those other firms Tyler said to watch out for earlier? Is anyone going to check if the regulars are also sending hard copy statements?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:11 | 2603748 tlnzz
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"he tried to commit suicide, and failed."

Apparently, this guy can’t do anything right.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:04 | 2603933 Silver Alert
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If the crooks never get punished why did he try to kill himself?  Could it be to keep embarrassing details of "arrangements" from being exposed?  Maybe he was suicided instead like that BOE official who had multiple stab wounds to the chest and defensive wounds on his arms. 

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:12 | 2604131 Miss Expectations
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Since we don't know, I'd venture that he merely succumbed to a fatal exposure of trichloroethane contained in correction fluids, including Liquid Paper.  Just how do you fake bank statements?  I would LOVE to see the paperwork that he was submitting...sounds like a job for Willliam Banzai.  I'm sure it's more complicated that crossing out $5,000,000.00 and typing in $208,300,198.16.  AND he wasn't doing this alone in his basement, either.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 22:29 | 2604533 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Miss Expectations said:

I'm sure it's more complicated that crossing out $5,000,000.00 and typing in $208,300,198.16.  AND he wasn't doing this alone in his basement, either.

He had help from Linda Green.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:12 | 2603750 Shizzmoney
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You gotta be fucking kidding me!

For this Gensler has to be fired immediately, and with prejudice.

Instead, he'll either a) get a raise or b) get a comfy new job with some investment firm

Let's see if Santelli talks about this.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:18 | 2603752 Normalcy Bias
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If you will just sign this, Mr. CFTC. Right here.
Yes, yes. What the hell is it?
Well, under the provisions of this bill, we would snatch two hundred thousand acres of Indian land, which we have deemed unsuitable for their use at this time. They're such children.
Two hundred thousand acres? Two hundred thousand acres? What'll it cost, man, what'll it cost?
[brings out a carton of paddleballs] A box of these.
Are you crazy? They'll never go for it. And then again they might. Those little red devils... they love toys!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:47 | 2604078 Real Estate Geek
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"The region is home to no one, save the Red Indian, and these heathen savages may be either exterminated or relocated to less valuable land, such as the so-called oil-fields of Oklahoma, where noisome substances bubble out of the Earth."


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:15 | 2603755 tony wilson
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if i was running the hospital i would say.

ok doc keep him alive give him the min amount of medication for life but take away the pain killers.

let him feel the tortures of the damned.

let him plead for mercy.

make him reject his money grasping thieving  zionist racist belief system in the hope of relief.

when he does carry on regardless.

only through the  pain torture and perpetual agony of the banksta's within a gitmo style torture facility will the human race get any payback

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2603777 Cursive
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@tony wilson

I want him alive so he can turn state's evidence on his bankster buddies.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:56 | 2603916 Mentaliusanything
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Alive,you want him alive to spill da beans.

We are Talking the Chicago Mob here .. "Legitimate Numbers"Mob

That one is not long for this World.

He will have "vistors"

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2603779 cougar_w
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I think you might enjoy this one:

And so, to become cat food. I don't suppose it gets any lower than that.

No there is one more that's worse: To be unmade entirely. Leaves a wonderful large stain, however it doesn't hurt quite as badly.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 23:25 | 2604716 TerraHertz
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That was a very enjoyable read. Thank you.

In return:


Hey, your website pipes-frontage looks a lot like mine.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:14 | 2603756 Bugsquasher
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Can't we just find him a lamp post instead?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:37 | 2603841 MsCreant
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Save some money and resources, now you're talking...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:10 | 2603967 Killtruck
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Speak of efficiency, you could reuse the noose!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:34 | 2604049 knukles
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In the good olde days of the Roman Empire, when somebody screwed up thereby affording the peasantry a glimpse of the depth and breadth of the theft and depravity, violating the unwritten rule of the powers that be (similar to the first two rules of Fight Club, BTW) they were publicly crucified along the Apian Way to great spectacle, fanfare and public celebration.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:23 | 2604159 Miss Expectations
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But, it was the slaves who were crucified that time.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:22 | 2604325 Miffed Microbio...
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If my history serves me correctly, after the crucification the body was released to the public to abuse as they wish (head used as a football etc) and then what ever was left was hooked and thrown into the Tiber river. Them was the good 'ol days! Now the worst that could happen to a bankster is club fed. Pitchforks are to good for these people.


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:16 | 2603763 ghengis86
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Leave nothing in any bank account, brokerage, fund, etc. save for your monthly bills. Buy PMs, guns, ammo, rice, beans, supplies, alcohol, porn, whatever. JUST DON'T GIVE THESE FUCKS ANY MORE MONEY TO STEAL FROM YOU!!!

When bankers hanging from lamp posts is a regularly occurring event, then you can reevaluate returning you cash to a financial institution. Even the it may take a few more years.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:44 | 2604072 cougar_w
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That's fine.

However whatever we don't lend them the Fed will.

Just say'n.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:40 | 2604372 ghengis86
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The Fed already does lend to them.  To the tune of $16 trillion so far. 

Just say'n

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:16 | 2603764 JackT
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I'm sure Morgan has just misplaced the funds and Wasendorf accidentially slipped and suicided himself. All this fuss over nothing.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:18 | 2603767 Ted Baker
Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:32 | 2603818 Whiner
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Correction to disclaimer at bottom: There is a substantial risk of THEFT in trading options that an investor (or regulator) may not discover until published in th media.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:42 | 2603865 NotApplicable
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Wait, he's 64? Just how old is that picture?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:31 | 2604353 smiler03
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The WSJ has a slightly more up-to-date photo @


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:19 | 2603771 Cursive
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Just a damn minute.  The NFA was sending balance confirmations for U.S. Bank to an unverified post office box?  I wouldn't give the NFA any credit here.  Where did they get the post office box from?  Who literally typed this address into the NFA database?  That was the problem.  Sure, electronic confirmation would be great, but the NFA was doing a poor job from the start and electronic confirms can be intercepted/spoofed as well.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:19 | 2603772 AnonymousMonetarist
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So the smurf-regualted NFA is the hero because they didn't even know what the proper submission address for US BANK was.... for years?



Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2603778 sangell
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Gensler should commit suicide not Wasendorf. We also need a Federal 'SuperMax prison for these high dollar thieves. Solitary cells, 23 hours per day with web cams installed so the world can watch them do time.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:21 | 2603781 SheepDog-One
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Nah! Gensler has only capped off a star level resume to be Fed Chairman!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:22 | 2603782 yrad
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When are people going to jail? Iceland did it!!!

This country is sooooo lost. We all know this is just the tip of the Titanic

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:22 | 2603783 Ms. Erable
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Coma? Fucker shoulda jumped.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:36 | 2603836 NotApplicable
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It's Iowa. Corn only grows so tall.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 21:26 | 2604337 Miffed Microbio...
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Ha ha! I've got that " Jump you Fuckers" song now stuck in my head.


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:24 | 2603789 mick68
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I understand the cynicism, since we've watched fraudster after fraudster get caught, only to also watch nothing happen to them. And although we are not the elite, we can bitch loudly and en masse, which if nothing else, will increase the chance these dirtbags pay for their crimes.

So, howabout less cynicism and more activism? After all, these people are one way or another, paid by us.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:34 | 2603827 Ms. Erable
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Activism? Surely you jest - unless your idea of activism involves trees, lampposts, lengths of rope, and/or tying subhuman (i.e., bankster) limbs to quarter horses prior to the starting gun, that is.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:42 | 2603868 fuu
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Oooo drawing and quartering ftw!

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:27 | 2603795 Meesohaawnee
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if you want to know whats gonna happen to Gensler just redo Corzine. Find out  how much the check was to Obummers campaign fund. Then youll know the answer. Hell be on some tropical island with 5 gay cabanna boyz just like JC. The daily police blotter in Wall Street is just getting comical. Every day i ask myself what will be the scam discovered of the day. Good thing Obama got right on all that corruption like he promised. Whew. or else..

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:07 | 2604124 lotsoffun
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gensler worked for corzine.

"Gary Gensler joined Goldman Sachs in 1988 and spent 18 years there. He became a partner at the age of 30, youngest in Goldman Sachs history. He later became head of the company’s fixed income and currency trading operations in Tokyo by the mid-’90s, and eventually the company’s co-head of finance"

In early November, 2011, Gensler stepped aside from the CFTC's investigation of the giant derivatives broker MF Global because of his longstanding ties to Jon Corzine, the CEO of MF Global, for whom Gensler had worked while both were at Goldman Sachs.

nothing happens.  ever.  learn to love these guys.  they figured it out.  no guns need be involved.  you were robbed.  deal with it.



Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:32 | 2603816 HMFIC
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Well I'm done waiting for 'authorities' to put ANY credibility back into the system.  Nothing will change regardless of which version of OBAMNY gets bought...I mean elected. 

Therefore I plan to cash out all other accounts (before they all get MFG/PFG'd) and investing in only deliverable precious metals.  That is physical gold, silver, and lead.



Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:41 | 2603862 MsCreant
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Welcome to fight club.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:44 | 2603880 cougar_w
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Wait. Don't you have to hit someone?

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2603822 blueridgeviews
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I couldn't agree more Tyler. It sickens me to think the regulatprs are worthless. SEC with Madoff and now this.  What else is lurking behind closed/manipulated accounting books.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2603823 rufusbird
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When I read some of the comments after a post, I save the film recommendations and request them from the library. When they come in, like the two I picked up today, I bring them home with the full intention to watch them in what time I have left over for entertainment etc after my daily projects. I usually don't get to watch them because the developments in the US financial system are way more facinating than fiction and movies and I spend more time reading this stuff on ZH.

I feel kind of like Woody Harrel's character in the Movie 2012 when he goes to the edge of the volcano to get front row seat of The Great Cataclysm.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:33 | 2603825 michael_engineer
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Here is the trend :


Tue, 07/10/2012 - 19:55 | 2604101 ZeroAvatar
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Agreed, next one to go:  'SFG'.  (?)

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:35 | 2603828 Downtoolong
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 PFG is not MFG, it is Madoff

Funny how the same dichotomy keeps absurdly getting tossed up in these incidents like some sort of justification for what transpired.

We just can’t be sure, they say, whether a) he was a crook or b) just incredibly f^%$!ing stupid. Maybe one day they’ll get around to considering the possibility it was both.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:43 | 2603876 MsCreant
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No offense meant by this-- there is no stupid going on here, except maybe us...

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 18:53 | 2603906 cougar_w
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However I did once hear an interesting account, and I keep it in mind.

Someone with insider understanding of finances once remarked that these people pulling their frauds and larceny are like infants. They really have no idea what they are doing, no idea how it is wrong, toss terrible fits when anyone gets in their grill, and basically destroy everyone and everything they touch without the least understanding of how that is a problem.

It's a fairly close description for a sociopath, but I think the truth is more interesting.

They are spoiled.

Rich and spoiled. Nobody as ever held any of them to any account, for anything, even murders. Their money buys them both protection and friends, and if need be, protection from their friends. They never do without a single thing that they want or desire, even for 5 seconds. They think they are immortal, that the laws apply only to others, and they live on another planet.

They might not even be all that intelligent. Just rich. When you are stupid but rich you cannot make mistakes which money cannot later correct. So you never learn. So you remain ignorant and child-like.

I think the stupid rich people have done well in the run-up to the end of the world. Now I suppose not knowing how to save themselves they will just suffer and die. They will no more understand this than they understood anything else about the real world, never actually having experienced it.

Tue, 07/10/2012 - 20:23 | 2604158 MsCreant
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Good insight and my experience says you are correct. I just wanted to put in check the idea that it was mere incompetence that got us here.

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