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Is A Physical Silver Shortage Spike Imminent?

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That imbalances in the supply and demand of precious metals, particularly silver, could lead to a shortage of physical product in the future should not come as a surprise to many - it is a topic covered extensively here in the past. Nonetheless, as a useful reminder of the big picture in the silver market, Future Money Trends has released another update video, reminding viewers that if traded purely on fundamentals, there is a high likelihood of increases in the price of silver, and other precious metals. As the authors put it, " There simply isn't enough physical silver to deal with the demand of a fiat currency crisis. As the paper silver market pushes prices down, all hell will break loose in the physical market." While that conclusion may or may not be applicable just yet, when coupled with recent revelations of potential double counting of precious metals at the warehouse level (see HSBC-MF Global story), the situation will certainly get only more exacerbated. Furthermore, should silver miners take Eric Sprott's advice to heart and decide to convert some or all of their product into physical, the market will suddenly recall that in addition to liquidity, prices are also determined by something called fundamentals. And fundamentals, especially in combination with a market risk spike, confirm a price jump may be imminent.


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Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:10 | 1968226 Ahmeexnal
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3>  I paid all them lapdances with silver coins.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 15:52 | 1968045 MrBinkeyWhat
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There is another metal play if you can't do silver. US nickles BitcheZ! Kyle Bass in not just some dumb ass who had 20M nickles delivered.

There are still some pre-1965 US dimes out there, at face value. The quarters and 50C are pretty much gone. (Pre 1965 US coins are 90% silver - junk silver per the dealers.)

Estate Auctions: coin collections. You might consider it if you are on a limited budget. Not everybody knows what silver coins are currently worth.

Festivus for the rest of us!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:28 | 1968259 americanspirit
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I have picked up a shitload of sterling at garage sales over the past ten years, but in the past year or so there have increasingly been others doing the same thing. I live in a relatively small city so we all know each other. Thing is that on any given Friday there will be a couple of dozen garage sales ( not estate sales - I stay away from them because the folks who run them are ALL totally aware of bullion value). This friday I picked up a nice 18k gold chain weighing @ 1.2 oz for $5 at a garage sale in front of a trailer. Guess nobody knew how to use a loupe to check for the mark. So there are still real bargains out there - but the easy pickins are getting more scarce. Carry a loupe and try to use it discreetly.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:43 | 1968917 rickadoh
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seriously, $5.00 for 1.2 oz of gold? you ripped the seller off man, go talk to a priest or something.........

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 15:58 | 1968059 Georgesblog
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Because silver has such a wide variety of uses, production has never outpaced demand.  There is demand for everything the silver mines can turn out and the price will still go up. The fiat exchange rate will always be over-matched by real things, especially precious metals. Don't believe me? Watch how many banks fail and currencies devalue, in 2012. Gold and silver are money. Paper is not money.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:29 | 1968142 Piranhanoia
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Please stop shouting.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:17 | 1968242 Al Gorerhythm
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Your shouting hurts my eyes.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:39 | 1968277 tmosley
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Bold hurts your eyes?  It's easier to read than regular font.

Shouting is ALL CAPS, not use of bold.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:28 | 1968374 akak
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Bold is beautiful, baby!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:19 | 1968461 Al Gorerhythm
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Old fart too, huh? Seems I can't deliver an ironic joke too well. Back to my day job.



Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:04 | 1968072 Anarchyteez
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So so simple.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:04 | 1968074 kumquatsunite
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Funny, but everything in the financial markets indicates the silver and gold drop like rocks next year. In relatively a few months, silver did ten years worth of rising. As to gold, what a joke, you really think a handful of metal is worth what they say it is? By all accounts a small handful of gold is now worth what? Forty thousand dollars. Hardly.

Next year, it hits the skids big time. Plus, Peru and many other South American countries are ramping up their mines, building new ones...ah yes, price pressure brings new players in and then, da da da duh...what do they call that...oh year, oversupply, and then prices drop again. Monies been made, boys, get out while you can.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:41 | 1968282 tmosley
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You're saying a few strips of paper are worth the same as an ounce of gold?  Ludicrous.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:33 | 1968381 akak
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Ah, it's good ol' Cumsquatuntied, here to troll against the PMs in his or her own inimically inane way!

Funny, everything I see in the financial markets indicates the imminent failure of the whole rotten worldwide central-banking-captured financial and monetary systems --- guess you're just not looking hard enough.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:40 | 1968513 Matt
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Is your money where your mouth is? What are your current positions regarding gold and silver? Or are you just playing make-believe?

Right now, I'm 100% physical, allocation of about 5% gold and 5% silver out of total assets.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:08 | 1968085 bob_dabolina
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The supply/demand crisis we have today is that of oil. 

The world population is growing exponentially. From 1950 to this year the world added roughly 5 billion people. Peak oil has been reached and most studies confirm this. Gasoline that comes from oil is not renewable, once it's gone, it's gone forever.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:14 | 1968103 AC_Doctor
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Your right bobo_dabo!  When those extra 5 billion inhabitants of Planet Earth learn that their paper money is worth the going price of paper and jump into the gold and silver markets, the price for gold could easily reach $50,000 per oz. and silver $5000 per oz.  Hell, just figure out what the big banks are going to have to deal with as soon as more than 1% of gold investors ask for physical delivery of their metals.  That's when the musical chairs really thin out quickly. 

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:45 | 1968526 Matt
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world population GREW exponentially. I think we're pretty close to peaking on that too; I seriously doubt the population will double one more time.

The Peak is the top, not the bottom; passing peak production means a decline in oil production, not running out. It just means it gets more and more expensive.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:08 | 1968087 DMA
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Very nice video. 

Thank you !

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:09 | 1968091 danielvisionvic...'s picture

Thanks Tyler


We put a lot of work into our research and videos, HUGE honor to be posted on



Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:14 | 1968104 DollarDive
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Here's a question : 


Let's assume that there's multiple claims on silver and gold holdings.  Is it conceivable that gold or silver purchased in the open market could have a claim on it....already ? 

If this is the case and you use, say a credit card to make payment, couldn't the government at some point lay claim to your purchases and confiscate it ? 


I was thinking about this.... any thought ? 

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:51 | 1968193 bob_dabolina
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Obama can now imprison you indefinately without a trial. 

The government operates outside of the purview of the Constitution and thus circumvents the law. 

Bottom line, the government is going to do whatever the fuck it wants to. Thomas Jefferson referred to this condition as tyranny.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:04 | 1968328 TheFourthStooge-ing
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DollarDive asked:

couldn't the government at some point lay claim to your purchases and confiscate it ? 

I was thinking about this.... any thought ?

Let them try. They have no idea what they'd be going up against.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:14 | 1968106 Stuck on Zero
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You guys can chase your silly Silver.  The real money is in Gold Pressed Latinum!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:14 | 1968335's picture

The Federation doesn't use money anymore but the Ferengi do. The Ferengi make deals with other races and so one can conjecture that those races also transact business with some medium of exchange. So how does the chrematophobic Federation interact economically with these other races? Does Picard just use his replicators to create items for barter or loan out Wesley Crusher for a weekend or what?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 20:42 | 1968650 Stuck on Zero
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Good old fashioned barter.  The Federation will trade rebuilt phase modulators for dilithium crystals any day.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 20:51 | 1968668 akak
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Orion slave girls work well, too.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:17 | 1968112 Hannibal
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I am not mainstream, so I just keep on stacking them.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:28 | 1968135 DutchR
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Silver, who cares....


I only want to know if the world population is growing and what standard of living they think they are entitled to....


In 20 years.



*buy the shiny stuff

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:27 | 1968138 imsaul0968
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I own gold and silver like everyone but what I'm fascinated by is peoples disinterest in talking about 2 other metals that are much more precious and who have horrible production numbers which should lead to much better performance when pm's go bonkers: platinum and rhodium, start accumulating these while the world focuses on the gold/silver debate. If silver doubles, platinum will triple and rhodium, well, look at the last 10 yr chart, those drop of a cliff declines usually are 70% retraced=@6000/oz

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:32 | 1968149 Piranhanoia
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Use of said metals for production,  and historical relation to a store of value or currency.  Not known as money for thousands of years.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:14 | 1968236 Ahmeexnal
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There's better metals to keep an eye on than Pd and Rh.

My personal favorite: NIOBIUM.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:40 | 1968390 The Shootist
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I prefer mithril. Precious, yet sturdy.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:40 | 1968392 akak
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Yes, but niobium, like indium and gallium, and essentially rhodium as well, have zero established market infrastructure for trading the physical metals, much less a very transparent or established pricing mechanism.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:57 | 1968421 XitSam
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Unobtainium, bitchez!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:04 | 1968327 fuu
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At least you stoped phishing for business.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:27 | 1968139 johny2
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Only thing that I would say is that it is a great time to exchange gold for the silver.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:28 | 1968141 DMA
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Can you guys tell me. What price has phisical silver in US ? 

Let's say  for 1 oz. and for 35 oz 


Thank you 

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:34 | 1968154 GeneMarchbanks
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$32.23 an oz. Where you buy shouldn't matter, at least in spot price. You can calculate from there...

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:36 | 1968160 DMA
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I can only buy at a very high price phisical. 

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:41 | 1968168 GeneMarchbanks
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OK. I'm curious enough, what price would that be? You should be paying no more than 35/oz USD.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:14 | 1968240 DMA
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over 40 for 1 oz. ....

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:19 | 1968245 GeneMarchbanks
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So find another place to buy.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:54 | 1968310 achmachat
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in western Europe (the "good" countries where tax on silver is just 7%, for example Germany) maple leaves cost, at this very moment 28 € each, if you get them from the cheaper online stores.


that's 37,5 USD. You'll have to add shipping to it, but inside europe shipping is just 18 € at most places.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 23:39 | 1969002 DMA
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Thank you. I'm from Eastern Europe so Germany might be a good ideea. 

Can you tell me an online web site that i can trust in Germany. thanks again 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 05:46 | 1969370 achmachat
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here's three places I have bought from. They ship normally in a week's time:

happy shopping!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 01:07 | 1969162 s2man
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Every time this topic comes up, I feel very fortunate.  My coin dealer rounds up to "about a dollar over spot".  So my cost ranges from 1.5 to 5% over spot. No taxes on the "currency exchange" for FRNs to silver U.S. coins.

I should shut up.  Pelosi will read this and say I am stealing her money.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:30 | 1968145 mogul rider
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Jesus H Christ when does the pumping end?


Give it up - go buy some anywhere at any time in any location.

Where do these fucking nutbars come from? Hypothecators anonymous.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:52 | 1968190 HamyWanger
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Yup. Pump, slaughter, reap.

The silver slaughterhouse scheme is intact and it amazes me that so many newbies still fall for it. 


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:09 | 1968441 akak
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Your shtick was old when the real HarryWanger was still around.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:37 | 1968146 mogul rider
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You'd think it was at 49.10 where I sold it. You are 6 months too early deuchebag


Let me guess - sign up at your website for the secret to silver wealth.

And the stupids line up for the slaughter.


You'd think after getting your head handed to you from 49 to 27 you'd give up trying to get whacked

christ the idiots are everywhere

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 01:11 | 1969166 s2man
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I sold SLV @ $45 for a nice 135% profit.  But that is paper silver, which has nothing to do with stacking the phys.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:37 | 1968162 mogul rider
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Buy food stamps and corner the market since there are fewer food stamps than silver above ground

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 16:55 | 1968192 RobotTrader
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Lots of "silver bitchez!" guys were slaughtered chasing silver up from $37 to $50, thinking that JPM was going to "fail".

Hopefully, next time there is a parabolic spike in a material that is not Fed-friendly, you will learn to sell and walk away.

Same thing is happening with those who are now chasing CDS's on PIIGS banks and countries.  Most will lose everything they gained the last 6 months.

The smart guys sold these CDS positions the last two weeks and are now scaling into long positions on equities or ETF's like IEV, which now pay a yield of 5%.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:09 | 1968223 cosmictrainwreck
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pure, unadulterated SPECULATION. you have no fucking clue, factually, who "lost" how much...or when, or WHY. let alone who GOT "blow-torched" or is GONNA get "blow-torched" Oooops, I forgot - yer psychic, right?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:09 | 1968340 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If I had a nickel for every time RobotTrader said something stupid and gave shitty advice, I'd be Kyle Bass.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:45 | 1968402 akak
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If I lost a brain cell for every time RobotTrader said something stupid and gave shitty advice, I'd be ...... well, RobotTrader.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:56 | 1968420 tmosley
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I wonder what a negative brain cell looks like.

Oh yeah, RobotTrader.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:11 | 1968432 akak
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RobotRetard: Behold the sound of one brain cell clapping.

(And one very loose sphincter sputtering.)

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:16 | 1968455 Bay of Pigs
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Mogul is a close second on the Full Retard Scale.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:45 | 1968521 akak
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Hey BoP!  Always good to see you around.

I hear that it's been awfully wet in your neck of the woods (or at least, it has been on the BI).

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:54 | 1968927 Xanadu_doo
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"The smart guys sold these CDS positions the last two weeks and are now scaling into long positions on equities or ETF's like IEV, which now pay a yield of 5%."


Smart guys like robotrader, fer sure....

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:07 | 1968216 bankonthebust
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This charade will likely go on for a few more years at least. Those in power will not give up until it completely colapses. However, mathematically speaking, a collapse is inevitable.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:10 | 1968227 slewie the pi-rat
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silver, like gold, is real money

currencies may come and go like karma chamelionz of fiat and but that'll never effect your stack

neither will any bank, broker, or corpo-sovereign failure;  ever

the crimex bullion-bankster-City prices will go ^ and down till the paper pyramids collapse, and it will never have one bit of effect on your bullion 

trust me, BiCheZ!



Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:52 | 1968305's picture

So are you like the Mogambo Guru On Acid (MGOA) or what?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:01 | 1968321 slewie the pi-rat
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imo, all zeroHeads should study his ravings closely as we, in the fullness of time, await his return from space with the interplanetary deus ex machina, but he'll probably be late, from what we've heard from him,

  • and
  • we're
  • doomed, BiCheZ!
Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:11 | 1968346 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...freaking doomed, even (WFD).


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:10 | 1968230 gnomon
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Sounds like a lot of people had too high expectations and got in too late.  (And then there are the trolls with the known agenda).

There is no certainty. But if you are putting all of your marbles on "paper" with intermediaries between you and your ability to purchase goods and services in the future then you should look in the mirror to see the greater fool.



Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:13 | 1968234 DutchR
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Paper, good for rolling since 1913...........

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:21 | 1968249 paulbain
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No Turd??


Well, as of about 4:12 PM on Sunday, 11 December, Turd Ferguson still has not commented on this story. Does anyone know where The Great Turd might be? Maybe I should send a notice to him here:


-- Paul D. Bain


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:28 | 1968260 Maestro Maestro
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When you use fiat as money, you give ME power.


When you use silver as money, you take my power away from me.


You know that I think you're an idiot.

So why do you give me power over your life?

That's the one thing I never figured out.

'cause you don't even have to risk life or limb or even you livelihood to take my power away from me.

All you have to do is convert some of your currency to gold and silver to expose the fraud of the paper markets that promise more metal than they can deliver.

Just expose the fact that the emperor has no clothes.

But you don't.

Why do people love you when they know that you hate them?




Mon, 12/12/2011 - 01:18 | 1969176 s2man
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Moving on...

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:35 | 1968271 Bansters-in-my-...
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Time to modernize and redesign the Abacus for the kids.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:35 | 1968272 forrestdweller
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how many of you are coinsellers here.?

everybody tells the same; buy physical.!

i heard that when you start to see advertisements for gold and silver everywhere on the internet and on tv, the bubble is about to burst.

i see those advertesiments everywhere, even on this site.

it won't be a good investment for 2012.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:46 | 1968292 steelrules
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What bubble HaHa. gold and silver haven't even begun to move into bubble territory.

Can't wait to see these moron paper bugs jumping out of windows when all the paper goes to shit, that will be the last laugh.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:51 | 1968303 XenoFrog
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All I hear on the radio and in print are offers to buy gold and silver from people like you who think that $32 is a great price to hand over your family wealth.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:20 | 1968362 Libertarian777
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too true. i went to one of those 'we buy silver and gold' places and asked if i could buy gold/silver from them and they laughed at me and said.. NO, we only BUY, we don't SELL.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 01:22 | 1969182 s2man
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Same here.  I tried three or four places, with the same response.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 03:49 | 1969302 forrestdweller
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i can buy it in any shop, on the internet, at auctions.

it's available at many places. no problems at all.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:18 | 1968726 Alpha Monkey
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maybe so.  But, think longer than 1yr timelines, and it is a good investment.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:45 | 1968287 rambler6421
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Don't worry.  They got the Plunge protection team to suppress the price.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:45 | 1968288 Lmo Mutton
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Silver or STFU.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:11 | 1968320 delacroix
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the  " I told you so", will be more bitter, than sweet.   I gave an ounce of silver to a stranger, the other day.   definitely not normal behavior, for me, but good fortune, is a curse, if you can't share it with anyone. I don't think he had actually held an oz of silver in his hand before. I suspect that's true for most people

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:56 | 1968315 AC_Doctor
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SLV and GLD can acqurie millions of ounces overnight but it took Sprott months and month to get his physical silver about 7 months ago.  How many times over is the physical in SLV and GLD been pledged and rehypothedcated over and over?  Ha ha ha, this is going to be the most exciting show on the Earth when the lawsuits start and actual ownership of our "overwhelming" supply of precious metals becomes headline news.  The paper markets will be devasated and the physical markets will explode to unkwown highs as the unwind begins.  I wonder how long it will take Sprott to get his 1.5 billion $$$ worth of silver to increase the physical in PSLV and how much of a short squeeze in prices it will result in??

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:33 | 1968495 Conax
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I think he averaged about 26.85 an ounce. I have a question for you guys, with the knowin'..

Did Mr. Sprott deal with miners, dealers, or what? Did he just buy paper contracts and have it delivered, and if he didn't do that, any reasons why not?

(I'm a crazed silver bug, never sell, you know, a nutter.)

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:03 | 1968690 geekgrrl
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I was wondering the same thing. I somehow doubt he is buying paper contracts and standing for delivery. I do know last time he said he had a very difficult time acquiring the silver, which to me suggested he was placing orders at some of the bullion banks and large dealers but it took a while for all the deliveries to complete - a few months if I remember correctly.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 05:39 | 1969364 vamoose1
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Sprott bought it worldwide, wherever he could get it without killing the price at about 18 to  24, and it took 3 months to deliver, there was NO MATERIAL PHYSICAL SILVER ON THE PLANET. Many of the bars that did finally show up POSTDATED THE ISSUE,  they did not exist at the time of purchase,  and were still warm from the refinery.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 02:50 | 1977768 geekgrrl
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Do you have a linky for that? I wouldn't be surprised about post-dated bars, but I do like to fact-check. Thanks!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:16 | 1968356 LookingWithAmazement
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Watch out for a silver glut - if there is not one already.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:47 | 1968406 akak
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Watch out for a coordinated anti-PM troll glut -- if there is not one already.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:20 | 1968363 bill1102inf
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They BUY and SELL Gold AND Silver at GAS STATIONS here in FL already.  Bubble meet pin.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:24 | 1968370 delacroix
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ZH meet pinhead

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 20:14 | 1968591 Temporalist
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They buy and sell gas too!  BUBBLE IN GAS!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:24 | 1968368 non_anon
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I see a silver lining in all of this

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:52 | 1968543 moonstears
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@ non_anon, very witty, Sir!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 18:43 | 1968397 LookingWithAmazement
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Has the Comex or LBMA crashed, as has been predicted so many times? Boring world we live in.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:12 | 1968443 PLove
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Silver biocide use is increasing exponentially ... water purification, MRSA disinfectant, clothing and bandage impregnation, burn wraps, nanoparticle colloids, and other medical apps.

Truly unlimited potential




Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:18 | 1968459 slewie the pi-rat
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the value of PMs isn't in their "market" value today

PMs are for later...

  • either a fringe blogger is down w/ that
  • or we have a troll, do we?  
  • or possibly a shitforbrained moron?
Mon, 12/12/2011 - 01:45 | 1969206 fuu
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The hydra is fully active and involved today.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:34 | 1968500 spinone
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Physical PMs have no counter party risk

Fiat price can go up and down, but at least you have something


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:55 | 1968550 s2man
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Without reading the article or the comments, to answer the title's question;Yes, it is imminent if Sprott gets approved to buy another $1.5B for his silver fund. 

Buy now, just on that rumor, alone.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 19:58 | 1968557 walcott
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what about platinum? There are only what 3 places where it's even mined?

What about Rhodium? Or Palladium?

And then there's the wombat. Isn't that critter exticnt yet?

That video sucks btw. And it's that stupid kid from NIA who does videos at the costco with buckets of wheat.

Same credibility and the idiot Geroge 4 Title or Man of Truth.

Just a coupe months ago the Man of Truth retard said that people wil be trading their frearri's for a bucket of wheat!

What a fucking douchebag! 


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 20:23 | 1968610 kekekekekekeke
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who said you had to choose between LULU and silver?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 20:43 | 1968653 TideFighter
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idiot. gov takes at their offer price for "research"

the market price for research REE's is "unlimited"

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:01 | 1968677 akak
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How delightfully cryptic.

Can you repeat all that, in English this time?
I don't have a clue what you were trying to say.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 20:48 | 1968660 walcott
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you morons sound like all the idiots who thought they'd never be able to buy a house if they didn't buy one at ridiculously inflated prices.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:05 | 1968693 SILVERGEDDON

Paper sucks, you Wall Street fucks! I'll see you vampires in the sun, with my loaded silver gun. Yer goin' down in flames, from Lower Manhattan to the Thames. Your paper is I know not where, I'd rather shit my underwear! For, be there bull, or be there bear, silver is the suit I wear! (With gratitude, and apologies to Dr. Seuss.) The only paper I own is the stuff I wipe my ass with. Market paper is worthless, because I cannot do a good job of wiping my ass with it. Gold was worth $28.00 an ounce when I was a kid. Silver was worth whatever was printed on the coin you spent. Any one think those days are coming back? All of the lying bum fucking aristocracy of the Age Of Paper Power can burn in their paper suits soonest. I won't even bother pissing on them to put out the flames. I collect gold, silver, lead, copper, real dry powder, food, tools, diesel fuel, and other useful commodities. There is a community of folks all doing the same, so skill sets and extra eyes and hands can guard each others sixes, and "break on through to the other side, break on through to the other side, YEAH "

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:08 | 1968848 Ahmeexnal
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A huevo!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 05:43 | 1969368 vamoose1
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Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:19 | 1968728 tofu mary
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After reading all about hypothecation and re-hypothecation here on ZH, I kinda freaked out, withdrew a wad of cash from Schwab and took it down to our local coin dealer. Because our little safe deposit box is fairly well stuffed with silver, I opted for gold, since it takes up less space. I asked for a little stack of gold maples, basically sopping up all he had. He said he's having a hard time keeping gold coins in stock lately. Apparently a couple of Israeli guys keep showing up to buy whatever he has on hand to take back to Europe. They don't live around here, they just fly in to get the stuff and fly back out. This guy has been around 30+ years and usually has plenty of everything at this shop, but today they only had buffaloes, eagles and pandas. Also, he was offering to pay a 15% premium on krugerrands, which seems kind of high. He said the US is the cheapest place in the world to buy gold, so I guess the arbitrage is worth it. To me it's a sign of the times. As more people wake up to the value of having physcial in hand, I think it'll be harder and harder to find, with higher and higher premiums. So I'd say get some while you can.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:31 | 1968755 radicall
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After Paulson and Tilson, looks like Hedge funds are working on the Anti-ZH ETF. Shorting gold and silver. I can't find any other explanation for the drop in silver  today

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:53 | 1968807 geekgrrl
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You might want to read the comment before yours.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:37 | 1968766 Glasgow Gary
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Based on this thread, the outlook for silver prices is not encouraging. Those of us who posted mere facts about the very healthy growth in global silver production recieved downvotes. Meanwhile, lots of almost religious belief here in higher silver prices. No wonder the metal is struggling. It remains over-run by retail investors who've watched all too many YouTube pep talks.

However, let's give this silver bulls their due: the metal has done well again this year, and many of the structural facts listed in the video are worthy. Also, let's not forget the metai--unlike many other commodities--remains well, well below its all time inflation adjusted highs on a historical basis.

I'm bullish on silver. But silver is NOT going to pay out a jackpot in the next 90 days. Sorry.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:09 | 1968809 akak
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Who is worried exclusively about the next 90 days?

Only RobotRetard, almost alone among the rest of the posters on ZeroHedge, demonstrates that level of ADD-afflicted, terminal short-sightedness.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:16 | 1968865 geekgrrl
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I agree with much of this post, but I think it's important to make a distinction between a functioning market and a market where mutually exclusive claims exist on the same physical stuff via commingling and hypothecation. It seems to me that paper investors are going to rush for the exits, and that should take down the paper price while at the same time creating physical shortages. That might happen over the next few months, but it seems just as likely that it could take the paper price way below physical prices in a matter of just a few days. I don't see much difference psychologically from a regular bank run, and those typically happen all at once, not over the course of months. Remember that major fraud has just been exposed, it's believed to be just the tip of the iceberg, and has just pulled back the curtain for those with eyes to see.

Regarding the hypothecation story, what difference does production make? I don't see any relationship at all between the ability to produce silver and the ratio of paper silver to real silver. It seems to me that if the real ratio of paper to silver is say 4:1, then the price should be 4X current spot, shouldn't it? Who cares what can be produced in the future, or whether the peak has happened. I think the peak is not far off, but the proximate problem here is not resource limited, it's a multiple counting problem.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 05:46 | 1969371 vamoose1
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Sun, 12/11/2011 - 21:57 | 1968821 Barack Obama
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sniff sniff....this video looks, sounds and smells just like the products put out by the National Inflation Association (NIA). Slick, well made, intended to direct you to their site. It appears the same people "Vision Victory," John Lebed, "George4Title" seem to be lurking behind the scenes on this. Google their names and see for yourself.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 00:07 | 1969058 Mitch Comestein
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I was just making the same comment and then I saw yours.  It is definitely those assholes (NIA). 

Come on Tyler, how much money are they paying you to advertise for those pump & dump, scaming bastards.  You can do better!

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:06 | 1968830 saulysw
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I used to collect silver, then I took an arrow in the knee.

(if this makes no sense, meme here).

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 22:05 | 1968839 Newager23
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It's all about demand. Currently demand for gold and silver is not very significant (the recent SF gold show was empty). On a percentage basis of savings, it is less than 1%. If American's alone decided to save 1% of their money in gold and silver, there would be a HUGE increase in the price. In fact, if demand increased to 1%, there would not be enough silver to go round. As Jason Hommel blogged, American's are currently spending $7 billion per year on gold and silver. That number may not increase dramatically, but if it ever does, everyone will wish they got in early. (for gold & silver mining stocks).


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 23:10 | 1968949 nmewn
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And out the other end.

(Discards used body condom)

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 23:30 | 1968978 Freddie
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Silver is horrid, barabaric and bloody relic.   You are much better off with paper ETF silver as you can rehypothicate it to some Democrat slimeball like Jon Corzine or his pals Democrat Bill Clinton or the Democrat muslim.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 00:04 | 1969053 Mitch Comestein
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So is the new pump and dump vehicle for the guys.  Nice to know those guys are still around. 

My comment in no way takes from the investment value of silver.  I am just calling a spade a spade.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 00:15 | 1969072 suckerfishzilla
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I subscribe to this channel on youtube.  He's a nice guy.  Whenever I try to convey to my acquaintances the fact that the actual Au:Ag ratio is 10:1 in contrast to what the ratio is at the comex all I get is a blank stare(s).  Most of our citizens aren't even trying to comprehend the markets. 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 00:39 | 1969118 natty light
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Great video Daniel!

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