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Pilots Of Downed Turkish Jet Found Dead

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In the ongoing story of confusing (as even the US has now said Syria was in its right to defend itself) yet continuing Turkish provocation, whereby a Turkish jet was shot down after entering Syrian airspace, resulting in immediate NATO-wide escalations and fighter jets being scrambled every single day since, the latest news is that the pilots who had been hoped to be alive, have been found dead.

From Today's Zaman:

The bodies of two pilots, who had been reported missing after Syrian forces downed a Turkish military jet on June 22, have been found in the Mediterranean Sea, the General Staff has said.

 

The General Staff said in a statement posted online on Wednesday that the bodies of Capt. Gökhan Ertan and Lt. Hasan Hüseyin Aksoy were found deep in the sea bed and that efforts are still under way to retrieve the two men's remains. The military also expressed its condolences to the families of the pilots.

 

The military has been conducting a search operation since the jet was downed on June 22 and this week brought in a specialised ship to recover the wreckage, some 1,000 metres (3,300 feet) underwater.

 

Syrian forces shot down a Turkish F-4 Phantom, an unarmed reconnaissance version of the F-4 fighter jet, which according to Ankara was on a solo mission to test domestic radar systems and was hit in international airspace after it briefly strayed into Syrian airspace, on June 22.

This latest development will hardly difuse tensions in the field, where news of rekindled military escalations yesterday sent crude soaring by the most in months, and Brent back over $100.

 

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Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:32 | 2586323 GeneMarchbanks
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Erdogan sticks to the script. The narrative is as stale as any Hollywood nonsense of mind numbing banality.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:37 | 2586339 LULZBank
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People find it more believable that way.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:54 | 2586380 Colombian Gringo
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When Anderson Cooper 'visits' our soldiers dying in Syria and Iran, he can bring a new meaning to being 'embedded' with the troops.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:16 | 2586429 thatthingcanfly
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I'll be waiting for him to embed with NASA to help probe Uranus for Klingons.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:07 | 2587053 AldousHuxley
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They do this all the time....

This was just  a test from NATO to see how quickly and organized Syrian military is.

 

USSR crumbled when some amature German pilot flew a small prop plane into Moscow. USSR's bureacracy fumbled the ball and airforce was made to look stupid. That's when west tore it down.

 

Syria however is an alert with support from Russia and China.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:50 | 2586375 Colombian Gringo
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I would get tissue samples and other evidence before they burn the bodies and then dump the ashes into the ocean, just like the fake Bin Laden burial.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:09 | 2586525 Levadiakos
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Bin Laden is nor more at the bottom of the sea than you are.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:37 | 2587836 mjcOH1
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As long as he ends up there eventually it's all good.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:31 | 2586786 indygo55
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Or they could take that special ship and go get that Bin Laden body out of the Arabian Sea and prove to the world that its all exactly as they said it was.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:35 | 2587113 EverythingEviL
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ALL YOUR PILOTS ARE BELONG TO US!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:35 | 2586333 Gringo Viejo
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Gulf Of Tonkin Redux.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:41 | 2586348 my puppy for prez
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The "news" is like breadcrumbs sprinkled on the trail to war.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:41 | 2586350 Davalicious
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I've been telling people that this is a set up, but they treat me like I'm a conspiracy nut for doubting the assertions of our glorious leaders. I point out that Turkey has ample airspace to knock about in, without having to intrude upon the airspace of a neighbour with whom they are on poor terms. Some people just don't want to think for themselves.

Correction, most people don't want to think for themselves. I no longer believe in democracy. These stupid fucks should not get to vote.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:01 | 2586394 kridkrid
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Democracy works!... Exactly as it is intended to work. "Democracy", as it is imposed all over the world, is one big mind-fuck... It's like any religion or any other form of government, nothing more than a control apparatus.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:14 | 2586421 thatthingcanfly
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I am continuously amazed by the number of Americans who believe the American Republic was set up as a democracy.

Democracy is tyranny of the majority. That is not what our Founding Fathers gave us. They gave us a Republic; and we could not keep it.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:20 | 2586435 francis_sawyer
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The only ones with voting rights back then were well heeled aristocrats... MALE aristocrats

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:18 | 2586496 thatthingcanfly
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...land-owning males, many of whom came from 'blue blood,' though this was not exclusively true. Ownership of land implied education, business savvy, and intelligence by proxy. These folks were able to read and formulate an independent opinion. It was quite reasonable that voting rights applied to them, and to no one else.

Then came Marx and the war on aristocracy. The uneducated masses (especially women, who are excessively emotional and lack reason and accountability - thank you Jack Nicholson) are easily manipulated by forces of media and public "education" systems. That these people can vote now ensures that we will live under the rule of demagogues who pander to whatever flighty fancies engage the fans in the stadium. (Women's suffrage in particular should be regarded as an abomination - it has worsened the lot of women by driving a wedge through the middle of the family.) Blame for the descent from Rule of Law into Tyranny of the Majority may be laid at the feet of the post-Enlightenment leftist coup of Western elitist thought (Marx, Locke, Voltaire, Jerry Springer, et al), which has invoked nothing short of cultural suicide. Your repetitive use of the word "aristocracy" as a pejorative term is all the evidence one needs.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:25 | 2586579 JoeSexPack
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Land-owning, white males.

 

Stuff about women being emotional & easily swayed is true, & they know it, though hearing it from men seems to upset them. Which proves the point.

 

Anyway, since the US Republic is forfeit, & FED will print the dollar into toilet paper soon, the Big Reset will clear the air of false platitudes & polite lies.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:29 | 2586780 Lebensphilosoph
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Land-owning, white males.

As it should be.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:36 | 2586802 Randall Cabot
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Land-owning and males shouldn't have anything to do with it but there should be some kind of knowledge requirement.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:52 | 2587011 Citxmech
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"Stuff about women being emotional & easily swayed is true. . ."

Unlike men who are are allways critical and rational, right?

JFC PEOPLE are emotional and easily swayed.   Watch one ad for Axe body wash or Grecean Formula if you have any doubts.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:47 | 2587659 Cathartes Aura
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it's always a hoot to see how "emotional women" are blamed for so much of the system ruled by "rational" sociopath males.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:35 | 2586613 Confused
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I'm guessing you wouldn't have gotten to vote. Or have been able to read. Or own land. Or form an independent opinion. I do not presume to know anything about you, statistically however, the majority of those posting here would not fall into the narrative you suggest. 

Just something to think about. 

 

 

 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:42 | 2586641 thatthingcanfly
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You probably think you just delivered a devastating counterpoint, don't you.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:47 | 2586653 JoeSexPack
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Buying a small lot in a remote area takes a little work, & less than $500.

 

Enough skin in the game to care & think about the system.

 

& avoid taxing the productive for parasites.

 

Big Reset should clear the air.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 15:08 | 2587246 TheObsoleteMan
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True. If you don't own land, and therefore have skin in the game, you should be required to pay a poll tax. Can't afford the tax? Then you can't vote in that election. If it matters enough to you, save up your descretionary funds for the poll tax. If it doesn't, sit back and STFU. Competentcy test would be nice too, but I'd settle for the poll tax. The dems would never win another election of any significance.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:26 | 2587642 prole
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I reject outright any idea that calls for "a new tax"

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 00:01 | 2587932 TheObsoleteMan
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There is nothing "new" about the poll tax. It would probobly be the only tax that would actually save you money. Besides, it would be strictly a descretionary tax. Keeps the rent seekers out of the voting booths!

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:57 | 2586855 J 457
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"The uneducated masses (especially women, who are excessively emotional and lack reason and accountability - thank you Jack Nicholson) are easily manipulated by forces of media and public "education" systems."

Talk about revertng back to the stone ages.  Maybe you just happen to associate with dumb women and therefore have a poor opinion of them compared to men?  I know as many men that would fall within the easily manipulated (it's true becuase Rush or Art Savage told me) group as would women.  This is a condition seen on a massive scale in the US today- its not gender specific.    

 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:23 | 2587090 thatthingcanfly
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With this straw man argument, you have proved my point better than I could have done myself.

If you had ever actually opened a book and read it, you would know that recognizing the differences between men and women is not tantamount to having a "poor opinion" of one or the other.

Get back on the porch, little dog.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 18:43 | 2587655 Cathartes Aura
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oh flying thing, I'm guessing yer a white male, amiright?

Ownership of land implied education, business savvy, and intelligence by proxy.

it also implied a penis, most likely a white one, as "women" were not allowed sovereignty without independent means/wealth.

Women were considered legally dead once they were married under common. Once married, they legally became one with their husbands. Married women had no control of their earnings, inheritance, property, and also could not appear in court as a witness nor vote. Their husbands, therefore, were responsible for all aspects of their wife including discipline. Widows were better off. They had control over their property, but could only receive up to one-third of her late husband’s property. A widow could also vote in some areas, but often widows were not aware of this fact or chose not to. Husbands could legally beat their wives. If a woman ran away from her husband, she was considered a thief because she was stealing the clothes she was wearing and herself. If a man murdered his wife, he would be hung. If a woman murdered her husband, she would be burned alive.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/HistoryGals/Chloe.html

some of you have zero idea of the history of laws enacted to favour white monied males, at the expense of everyone else.  you've inherited a system that favoured you from the very beginnings - only, so sorry, those who maintain the system are letting the privileges you believe yours erode, as they pick up and move elsewhere. . .


Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:21 | 2586664 TomGa
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As it should be. However, the notion of the Consitution being written by and for "aristocrats" was popularized briefely, most notably by Charles Beard in the late '20s, but then completely shot down decades ago. Landholders had a vested interest in maintaining a limited federal government with commensurately limited powers to directly tax its own citizens. But implementing the ideals of the Enlightenment and throwing off the yoke of an arbitrary and capricious power were what they found most attractive (for instance, read Locke, 2nd Treatise), ideas and lessons learned which were not disregarded in the debates on the Consitution. And note it was Tho.Paine, of course, who made the clarion call to break free of England, and he was certainly not an aristocrat. Even though the Founders were a rather smart lot, the one thing they did screw up, though, was giving their posterity the ability to amend the Constitution for rather pernicious purposes. Think of all the mischief that oversight has caused.

 

"A Republic, madame, if you can keep it."

Problem is that most voters, in this day and age, don't even know what a "republic" is.  The U.S. is still an experiment in self-governance, but now we allow even the most intellectually inept among us to vote, dragging us all down into the cesspool of democracy which then flows along the sewer of socialism and fascism, and will end, most likely, in some form of despotism. Hopefully it's not too late to change paths, even at this late date. But as Mitch McConnel recently said, "It's harder to undo something than it is to do it." (Rat bastard fink).

 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:28 | 2586777 Lebensphilosoph
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As it should be.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:50 | 2586661 A Nanny Moose
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From the mysticism of divine right of kings, to that of divine right of the majority. Little has changed.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:30 | 2586784 Lebensphilosoph
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The quality.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:10 | 2586412 thatthingcanfly
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While there are certainly some elements of this incident that read like a Gulf of Tonkin-esque set-up, the fact that the Turks were flying along their Syrian border, as opposed to the "ample airspace" in the flyover regions of Turkey, is not remarkable at all. We did the same sort of patrolling with the Russkies during the Cold War constantly - and they with us. You'll have no trouble at all finding pictures of TU-95 Bears intercepted by F-15s near the Alaskan border. Good fences make good neighbors.

You would do well to eschew comments about other people not wanting to think for themselves at times when you yourself are not being very observant. That said, I do agree that most people are not qualified to vote, as they have been dumbed down by a public education system and the talking box in the living room to the point that they cannot even formulate (let alone articulate) an opinion.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:00 | 2586865 J 457
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You need to leave US and move to Saudi Arabia where women are cloaked and only the chosen few men (which you are not) are allowed to vote.  A few years of that and you would beg to rejoin the, albeit flawed, US political system. 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 13:20 | 2587085 thatthingcanfly
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Straw man.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 19:04 | 2587679 Cathartes Aura
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given the "choices" that voting displays, I'd say one needs no qualifications to choose a false "side" and tick the box.

voting is for people who don't know any better. . .

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:38 | 2586808 Randall Cabot
Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:44 | 2586354 General Decline
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They will "find" a scrap of uniform that happens to have a Turkish flag attached to it to show to the cameras. Similar to the passport they "found" on the sidewalk the morning of 9/11.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:03 | 2586402 kridkrid
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There are so many single items to show the lunacy of 9/11... The passport may be the single biggest.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:23 | 2586446 francis_sawyer
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The 'passport' was really the cornerstone that got my bullshit meter going... Oddly ~ for most sheeps, it was proof that towelheads with boxcutters were the perps... Amazing...

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:24 | 2586451 magpie
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Thats nothing...the last German false flag distraction featured DVDs and USB Dongles which survived multiple fires and explosions.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:25 | 2586454 General Decline
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I can picture the CIA and Mossad sitting around the table for the post 911 False Flag Operation Review meeting.

"well, this went rather well. I would say we fooled most of the peasants with this one. Although, there is one issue we need to discuss.... Who's idea was the passport on the sidewalk? Hershel, was that you? You're fired!"

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:30 | 2586465 Oldballplayer
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While Herschel should have been fired, the rest at the table DID get a hearty laugh about it.

"Passport on the sidewalk.....you slay me Herbie."

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:45 | 2586358 overmedicatedun...
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Syria will not stand for this provocation - now who's having tea?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:25 | 2586764 Randall Cabot
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Joel Skousen says that if Assad isn't taken out within the next two months his army will destroy the rebels so he expects a hit on him either by an assasination team or a GPS-guided misslie but Assad is bunkered down and since he dismissed his non-Alawite  army generals and replaced them with members of his clan it won't be easy-so something has to give within the next two months. Also, Skousen says Russia won't help Assad.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:47 | 2586366 Joe A
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You can never let a good funeral go to waste. Expect nationalistic rallies.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 08:52 | 2586379 NuYawkFrankie
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Re

Pilots Of Downed Turkish Jet Found Dead

 

 

Uugghhh???    As opposed to playing beach-volleyball in with The Swedish Bikini Team in Corfu?

 

 

 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:23 | 2586426 Monedas
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Sounds like the Russians have given the Syrians some pretty good air defenses ? Is an unarmed F4 easy to shoot down ? It only strayed a little but it was tracked well and shot down a lot !  Whose radar were they testing .... thank you very much !           Monedas      1929        Comedy Jihad Sound Isn't As Fast As It Used To Be

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:00 | 2586506 FranSix
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F4 is a third generation fighter aircraft, easy to shoot down.

Next, they'll send in the F-16s to see if their fourth-generation technology defeats air defenses.  Then, they'll have Isreali F-15s with sophisticated ECM to test their theory if the F-16s get shot down.  One thing that was missing from the South Ossettia war was the number of drones shot down.  I bet Syria has its hands full trying to track all the drones and identifying the real threats.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 09:26 | 2586458 Gringo Viejo
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I'm amused with the "line jumpers" at ZH. Always the same ones, never actually responding to posts but rather insistent that they be heard. Ah well. If it enhances low self-esteem, I suppose it's beneficial.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:03 | 2586513 Fukushima Sam
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It's just part of the culture around here.  Don't be so serious, have some fun with it.

 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:06 | 2586878 J 457
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And unfortunately, the more popular the site becomes the more rubbish it seems to attract.  I'm seein the more red-neck anarchic drivel today than ever before.  On a long enough timeline, the average IQ of the ZH poster declines to zero. 

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:53 | 2587014 cartonero
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Weekends and holidays.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:13 | 2586533 Levadiakos
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This will lead to nothing less than a second flowering of the Ottoman empire in all it's geographic expansiveness

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 10:34 | 2586610 Payne
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They were dead when they loaded them into the plane.  2 dead bodies, plane remotely flown to promote a response from Syria.  They got rid of an F-4 vs an F-15.  Too bad they didn't have an old A-6 to use or maybe a F-5.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 11:43 | 2586815 Coldfire
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Well they would say that, wouldn't they?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:40 | 2586972 Payne
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The aircraft has missle defense warnings.  Did the crew eject?  Did they evade ?  

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 12:59 | 2587028 Citxmech
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Do we know if it was a missile, or do the Rooski's have a Phalanx equivalent?

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 22:52 | 2587860 mjcOH1
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The claim is that it was shot down by radar directed AA guns (aka...a ZSU-23).   That's consistent with the alledged video of the shootdown.  

The Soviets did love their self-propelled AA guns.   It's a flashback to the 70s in that corner of the world.

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 23:31 | 2587898 Arthur Borges
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(Sorry: duplicate post -- see below)

Wed, 07/04/2012 - 23:35 | 2587899 Arthur Borges
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Some of the information is hard to reconcile: (1) First it was said the F-4 lay at a depth of 1,900 metres and it would be hard to recover while Syria said it had bits of bulletholed F-4 fragments -- I didn't know F-4s floated (2) the Turks said they found two two helmets -- I didn't know they floated either (3) Then they found boots -- buoyant too, right? (3) if they found all of that, I infer the crew got out of the craft and (4) Syria said the F-4 was coming in low and fast -- Gee, how did they do a near ground-level ejection in an F-4?

Finally,

Masum Türker, leader of Turkey's Democratic Left Party, says Russia’s Admiral Chabanenko warship actually performed the shootdown. He says it was in Latakia Port at the time – i.e. the F-4 would have gotten too near the ship's defense perimeter. The Turkish side admits the plane was changing altitudes; if also flying low and fast, it would have had a threat profile. But one post says the ship is elsewhere. Go figure.

Then there is the issue of what plane type it was. Turkey says it was unarmed recce version, so it was an least an RF-4 (although that version can carry a pair of air-to-air missiles or other ordnance). There is a drone version, the QRF-4. On the Internet I've only been able to find the QRF-4C but the Turkish Air Force seems to only operate the F-4E, upgraded in Germany two years ago. 

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