PIMCO Releases 2012 Economic Forecasts; Presenting The Wall Street 2011 Market Forecast Track Record

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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:44 | 2004100 BandGap
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Well, devout Mayans everywhere are applauding.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:48 | 2004119 Almost Solvent
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Apocalypto Baby!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:54 | 2004133 Oh regional Indian
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That is an awesome avatar.


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:28 | 2004220 Almost Solvent
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Thanks, captures that sinking feeling ...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:40 | 2004993 AldousHuxley
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Here is what I have to say about PIMCO...

  • 2001, Paul McCulley, an economist at Pimco, the giant bond fund, predicted that the Federal Reserve would simply replace one bubble with another. "There is room," he wrote, "for the Fed to create a bubble in housing prices, if necessary, to sustain American hedonism. And I think the Fed has the will to do so, even though political correctness would demand that Mr. Greenspan deny any such thing. 


  • 2007, hired Greenspan 


  • 2009, hired Kashkari, former TARP chief


  • co-founder Bill Gross was professional blackjack player in Vegas
  • 2007 Pimco's Total Return fund top holdings are 40% in GSE mortages...Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
  • Bill Gross was a fan of government bailout for Fannie Freddie creditors


  • most of Pimco's funds under management comes from public pensions....which comes from you taxes
  • pimco is owned by German insurer Allianz
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:53 | 2004126 Oh regional Indian
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*clap* But it's not so much about the Mayan's as it is about Maya. Illusion., The end of illusion/delusion.

Talking their book or otherwise, even these awful NUMBers sound really optimistic for next year. India's ISM number fell by almost 50% and a good 30-40% below expectation MOM last month.

And the reason the Rupee is being allowed to sink is that software exporters are hurting as business from US/Euro/Banking in general slow down. They have to keep inflated rupee earnings to justify ANY projections for India's growth. Software salaries are driving the BOOM. BOOM it is and BUST it will.

So yep, all going down hard, the can is now heeeavvvyyyy. 



Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:15 | 2004185 BandGap
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The inflation numbers, in particular, appear to be bullshit.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:00 | 2004281 SilverDOG
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:10 | 2004859 PulauHantu29
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7% to 12% inflation by Williams....

Sounds about right from a consumer prespective. My oil (USO) has been there avergaing about that rise over the last few years.


Fri, 12/23/2011 - 00:31 | 2006422 ThrivingAdmistC...
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The global economy might well tank next year.  All the emerging market stock exchanges are tanking on the uncertainly.  We could definitely see an economic collapse in the next 6 months.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:59 | 2004144 AbelCatalyst
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I think they're being conservative on their predictions.  My guess is if you bumped into these guys at a holiday party and they were a little lubricated and they shared what is truly in hteir hearts they see a much darker 2012 than they share publicly.  

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:44 | 2004102 jcaz
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7% isn't GDP-net positive for China- whoops.....

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:07 | 2004166 economics1996
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Minus inflation = 0.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:45 | 2004108 Irish66
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I'm going with 1150 for 2012

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:51 | 2004127 HelluvaEngineer
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In what, Ameros?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:57 | 2004141 Pladizow
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How about S&P 12000 in 2012?

Hyperinflation Bitchez!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:46 | 2004111 Printfaster
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What I like is that the oft maligned (here) Laszlo and his ruler:  Winning.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:46 | 2004112 HedgeAccordingly
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Santa santa. Bring me some volume and some silicone. http://hedge.ly/sJYWiG

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:47 | 2004113 GOSPLAN HERO
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Comrade Obama will save us!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:47 | 2004116 nobusiness
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They still have 8 days and now $650 Billion to ramp the market.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:48 | 2004120 ucsbcanuck
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Not going to make predictions. Sick of making preds then getting hammered.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:10 | 2004150 The Limerick King
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My 2012 predictions

Our freedom will meet new restrictions

Lies will be higher

Crap finds a buyer

And Kleptos will have no convictions

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:27 | 2004215 Potemkin Villag...
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So basically I see the last 3 years have been the same prediction & you just decided to take the day off...

Good for you! Everyone needs a day off...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:49 | 2004121 Hedgetard55
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This term "lender of last resort". Is it the same as "money printer"? Please help.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:37 | 2004243 BurntPinky
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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:50 | 2004123 fonzanoon
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So according to the biggest bond shop in the world 2012 will be very similar to 2011. Get used to bullshit statistics and more idiots telling you that we are slowly crawling out of this. Get used to banks fudging their earnings and the market celebrating it. Get used to Robo telling you about retail stocks performance and how during the rough spots people will cradle and soothe themselves in the arms of long term US treasuries.

Yup. Happy new year.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:54 | 2004130 in-Credible Banker
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I am still unclear on why the doom and gloom among you all.  Everything is BEAUTIFUL baby! 



I mean - this truly is journalism at its very finest......right from AP!!!! 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:01 | 2004151 Pladizow
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Managed Perception!

There were once 80+ independent US news sources, now there are 6.

All six rely upon AP & Reuters.

AP owned by Reuters, Reuters owned by Rothschilds.


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:13 | 2004181 Oh regional Indian
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That's crazy Pladizow. Single source of global news. Frightening when I think of MSM Viewersheep.

Viwersheep. Hah!


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:19 | 2004193 Thorny Xi
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AP is not owned by Reuters ... good grief!  " The AP is a cooperative owned by its contributing newspapers, radio and television stations in the United States, which both contribute stories to the AP and use material written by its staff journalists. Many newspapers and broadcasters outside the United States are AP subscribers, paying a fee to use AP material without being contributing members of the cooperative."

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:33 | 2004231 Potemkin Villag...
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cooperative of....?

newspapers owned by......?

radio owned by.....?

TV infiltrated with.......?

United States subservient to......?

Hey... When it bleeds all the way down to a dipshit like 'Matthew Berry' being a fantasy football 'guru' for ESPN, owned by Disney, you know the  tentacles are numerous...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 15:05 | 2004824 Pladizow
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To: Thorny Xi

Who owns Wikipedia where you cut and paste your info from?

And if what I say is wrong and what you say is right, then there are still only 2 sources.


Tue, 12/27/2011 - 12:32 | 2013776 MeBizarro
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Single largest shareholder of Reuters is the Thompson family in Canada since Thompson merged with Reuters.  Not the Rothchilds.   

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:06 | 2004294 SilverDOG
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1970 there were 95 "independent" news sources.

Now there are the magic (7) seven.

Everything is fine, read along now. Read along.


Unplug your TV and open your mind. TV is POISON.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:54 | 2004131 Snakeeyes
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Bernake's plea for consumer spending is telling. Look at the charts of househhold debt and savings. To keep growth humming, he needs to enslave consumers to debt. Von Hayek was right, of course.

Bernanke’s Plea to Consume (Not Save) and the Conflicting Economic News: The Good, The Not-So-Good and The Expected (Housing)


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:37 | 2004244 Potemkin Villag...
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Why do you think they wanted Obama as President?

It succeeded in getting a whole demographic of people hooked on credit so they'd be hoodwinked into 'keeping up with the Obamas'... & therefore spend beyond their means...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:57 | 2004134 DaveyJones
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the forecast of inflation

is suffering deflation

while the forecast of growth

is not sworn under oath

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:57 | 2004139 lizzy36
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Odd the Yosef would be high on the street.

Alas, she has has been awesome at monetizing (to the present day) being right from 1996-2000. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:57 | 2004143 Jlmadyson
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Ship is going down just a matter of time. 0-1% wow. At least these are some honest forecasts.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:07 | 2004298 WonderDawg
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I'm not sure I'd call it honest. Wildly optimistic is more like it. Or downright bullshit. Recession/depression becomes undeniable in 2012.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:59 | 2004145 Sudden Debt
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As long as europe is printing, the us will print and azia will print so I think 2012 will look a lot like 2011.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:00 | 2004147 FoieGras
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And of course Pimco is dead right. Very low inflation. Hyperinflation NOWHERE to be seen in the G10. The bears who were screaming fire over inflation since 2007 were dead wrong for 5 years and counting now.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:06 | 2004163 Tsar Pointless
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Hmm. Really?

So I'm just imagining things when I see the prices of goods in grocery stores?

And at the gasoline pump.

And with my utility (especially water) bills?

A jar of Miracle Whip nearly $5.50. A can of vegetables almost a dollar now. Used to be, when I was a young-un and working at grocery stores, you could get FOUR cans for a dollar when they went on sale.

This is not the inflation you were looking for, perhaps?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:14 | 2004183 Killtruck
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Let's also not forget that hyperinflation, by its very definition, sneaks up on you and kicks the shit out of you with the speed of an angry gorilla-sized exponential function. Sure, it starts small, 1% here, 2.3% there (look around) regardless of cuts in interest rates...a year and a half later you're stuffed.

Maybe this joker forgot the </sarc> tag?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:15 | 2004186 DaveyJones
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and don't forget...the jars are getting smaller

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 13:21 | 2004323 Kali
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4 cans for a buck?  Not even 3 years ago, especially during harvest season, you could get 10cans/dollar.  And what is up with water bills?  Everyone I talk to all over the country has seen their water bills skyrocket.  I know in my neck of the woods it was because of huge projects the EPA required for wastewater/stormwater management and DHS requirements for security and new lower levels of certain contaminants required for drinking water.  I started going back to baking my own bread, can't believe the outrageous prices for "good" bread, not the ghetto sawdust stuff they sell for 99 cent/loaf.  If you have not noticed inflation, then you aren't doing the shopping in your family.

Tue, 12/27/2011 - 12:48 | 2013808 MeBizarro
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It isn't the retail prices of items that have increased that much but the cost per serving size & some of the substitution of cheaper products in the processed items you buy. 

Food prices in the US haven't increased nearly as much either as they have in other countries thanks to the US exporting inflation though the dollar.  Global food riots in '08 that caused massive global unrest & change and they were a key cause in the Arab uprising last spring especially in Egypt.

Tue, 12/27/2011 - 12:37 | 2013792 MeBizarro
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Miracle Whip is $5.50?  Vegetables are a dollar a can? BS even if live in CA or NY.  Miracle Whip is half that much and less if you coupon & buy on sale.  Vegetables can be had for 3/$1.00 if you wait for a sale and stock up. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:16 | 2004171 Dr. Engali
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Have you been to the grocery at all? How about a doctors visit? Paid a heat bill? Water bill..........

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