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POMO.... It's BAAAAAAAAACK

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You didn't think the Fed would let more than a few months pass without the much beloved and dearly missed near-daily POMOs now did you. The FRBNY's Brian Sacksters just released the October schedule of $44 billion in long-dated purchases, and $44 billion in short-dated sales. Since the net effect to banks is one of derisking, the offsetting rerisk will be implemented in the form of more stock purchases. Hopefully their prop desks (which no longer exist, right, after all the whole Volcker Rule thing and the UBS fiasco...) will know how to trade Netflix this time around better than last time.

POMO buy dates and amounts:

And POMO sell dates and amounts.

 

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Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1726820 Timmay
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Pump it, hottie.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1726866 oh_bama
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WAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!~!!!!

 

STOCK IS GOING HIGHER!!

 

BTFD!!!!!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:47 | 1726906 TruthInSunshine
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Brian Sack & Ben Bernank's latest helicopter mission.

 

The Bernank's Midnight Helicopter Run
Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:53 | 1726933 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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What are you doing with my highly unique and very personal avatar?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:18 | 1727039 oh_bama
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I have been using this highly unique and very personal avatar since the FU*KING DAY ONE, ONE F*KING YEAR AGO you NEWBIE!

GET A CLUE

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:38 | 1727113 gmrpeabody
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Tyler, please..., give us the power of ignore!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:44 | 1727147 AldousHuxley
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Why ignore the entertainment value of lame trolls fighting each other over avatars?   Have a good weekend!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:24 | 1727700 Michael
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Speaking about highly unique and very personal avatars...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 23:38 | 1728200 bid the soldier...
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not to worry

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1726901 fyrebird
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That made my avatar moist. Now I'll have to buy her flowers, you clod.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 08:54 | 1728581 covert
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the bull market will return, the underlying pressure is building.

http://expose2.wordpress.com

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:34 | 1726821 TradingJoe
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44B?!?! Really?!?!?! And you folks think it is enough?!?! Ahhhh Hahahahahahahh!!!!!! And so on!!!!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1726887 ghostfaceinvestah
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It isn't a matter of pumping money into the economy anymore, it is a matter of lowering debt service costs.  Remember that the Fed returns the interest payments it receives from the Treasury - to the Treasury.  So the effective interest cost on Fed UST holdings is zero (plus some skim from the Fed).

With an effective debt service cost of zero, debt can be increased to infinity as long as it can be rolled over when it matures.  Which of course it can if the Fed never shrinks it balance sheet.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:16 | 1727034 Are you kidding
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But they take a 6% cut...it adds up.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:36 | 1726831 Edward Fiatski
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"NEW YORK ON 'ALERT' FOR AL-AWLAKI REVENGE ATTACKS, NYPD SAYS -BBG"

Widen your profit targets just in case if NYC gets hit with a nuke.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:41 | 1726862 fyrebird
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The Hell. That would be max bullish. Krugman could even call off the alien invaders.

 

 

Sorry NY-ers, just joking. Right-coasters, who luvs ya baby?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1726834 SAME AS IT EVER WAS
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Does anyone beleive tbt will fall enough to reverse split?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1726839 TheFourthStooge-ing
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When your only tool is a printer, every problem looks like a blank sheet of single-ply linen.

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1726880 fyrebird
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Winner.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:48 | 1727164 AldousHuxley
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but the printer ran out of ink!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1726841 JailBank
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Yes this is what I have been waiting for. $44 billions seems light. When are we going to get in to the trillions?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1726843 Cone of Uncertainty
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POMO = So You're Sayin There's a Chance?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1726888 GeneMarchbanks
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STFP(sell the fucking peak)

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:41 | 1726844 TruthInSunshine
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POMO needs to be 200 billion a week, at this point, to perpuate the Ponzi.

And if it were as large as that, the boomerang effect of soaring inflation would kill the global economy at any rate.

Good luck, dead fed heads! Good luck, CNBSc! Good luck, Barton Biggs! Ciao, banking sector and PIIGSFUK eurotrash.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1726896 ghostfaceinvestah
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Agreed, which is why we will eventually see more QE - the Fed needs to fund the US Govt.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:09 | 1727001 karzai_luver
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auw oh!

 

 

:)

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:58 | 1727213 AldousHuxley
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POMO needs to be 200 TRILLION a DAY bitches!

 

If you are going to play, play hard. If Fed really believes in themselves, why mess around with 6month cycles? Just print all they want in one day!

 

  • you don't need to worry about banning shorting anymore after that
  • bailout everyone
  • save the housing market, in fact you will see illegal immigrants becoming hard core right wing republicans in one day after flipping 100k slum home into 10M 
  • US won't own China jack....suckers
  • gold bugs will be happy too about the Fed
  • 401k becomes 401M so everyone can retire early
  • Fed banksters will be shot down by short only hedge fund manager....kill two birds with one stone
  • CDS market will disappear....who needs them anymore?

 

We may have to upgrade all computers in order to support extra zeros at the end of all prices

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:46 | 1727801 lo574
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.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:48 | 1727848 lo574
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TruthInSunshine:  Never to distract from zerohedge, however I enjoy your comments and insights.  Do you have your own blog or website?

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 00:05 | 1728239 AlmostEven
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"the boomerang effect of soaring inflation "

Could that be why they had to crash the commodity sector in the past several weeks? Get the inflationistas off Bernanke's ass and give him more leeway to print like mad ($200 billion per week, month, quarter). Gotta stop that nasty corn, copper, and concubine deflation.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:38 | 1726846 youngman
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You know if I was the Chinese..and I wanted ot tank the USA and takeover the world .... or at least have them use my yuan....I would be buying gold bigtime right now...I would wait until the USA bought all the long bonds..and sold only short ones....then I would dump all my holdings to jack up the interest rates which would in turn put the USA either into hyperinflation as the Bernank would have to print to buy all the dumped bonds...and/or the deficits would skyrocket......our dollar would tank...probably some other options...China could survive the loss...we could not...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1726864 Edward Fiatski
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Precisely, but this would not be the end of the world. Such action is anticipated in accordance with the plan of weakening the United States of America in preparation for the coming World War with China.

We will need an equilibrium, so we don't wipe ourselves out.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 16:04 | 1727238 AldousHuxley
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China doesn't want more gold. China wants war machines now so US doesn't come in later to "liberalize" China from communism and steal gold.

 

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1726875 Motley Fool
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Buying gold in size is difficult.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:33 | 1727095 Motley Fool
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So you think they can buy idk say 5k tonnes of gold at todays prices on monday?

 

China will keep playing along until they are satisfied with their gold holdings, which will take them some time to get.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:40 | 1726853 lolmao500
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BAC website is down... LOL

http://www.abc17news.com/news.php?id=3814

Bank of America's homepage and online banking service are experiencing problems, a day after the bank said it would start charging a $5 monthly fee for debit card purchases.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1726871 GeneMarchbanks
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Prolly hacked. I hope somebody took a virtual shit on them ;)

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:58 | 1726953 Troll Magnet
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i hope someone adds a few extra 0's to my balance so that i can just buy shitload of PMs and retire so that i won't have to deal with this bullshit "market" any longer.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:08 | 1726991 GeneMarchbanks
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You get Red for admitting to banking with BAC, fix that shit and I'll consider giving you a friendly emoticon.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:54 | 1726932 Missiondweller
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Yep its still down.

When I cancelled my db card they acted shocked, shocked!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:11 | 1727009 karzai_luver
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actually them charging for debit card use is good , you can still use cash from one of their atm machines.

 

If debt cards went away Friday your cost would go down.

biz is killed with the cost of supporting those networks.

 

Use cash and hope all plastic fees go to 1000.00 a month.

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:41 | 1726860 GeneMarchbanks
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um ... yay?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1726868 dr.charlemagne
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One thing I never hear anyone a talk about is the relationship between the stock market and the government's massive public pension liability. Remember these are those brilliant "defined benefit" plans. Am I wrong to think the Government is desperate to prop the equities markets for this reason?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1726900 qussl3
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Either the assets apprecitae or at some point the Fed monetizes, no way out, well other than defaulting on promised entitlements - like that will happen.

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:50 | 1726916 ghostfaceinvestah
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No question the FedGov has been supporting the stock market since Obama/Geithner finally took over, for the reason you mention - they need to support the pensions (and the university endowments, and the insurance companies, etc).

I think it is no coincidence the markets bottomed in March 2009, before Geithner fully got things under his control.  Now, every selloff is tamed rather quickly before it spirals out of control.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:59 | 1727220 Panafrican Funk...
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Really, it's not just the pension funds.  Everybody and their mother is tied to either a pension plan or a 401K.  The natives are already getting restless, if this fucker doesn't close out the year green, it would be yet another blow to the fundamental structure of the debt/finance system that is effectively our shadow government.  It is factually correct to state that our current governmental system is directly tied to the fortunes of the stock market.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 16:18 | 1727301 AldousHuxley
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if you had your money in low rick bond funds such as the aggregate bond index you are on track for 8% YOY performance.

But my suspicion is that Fed is going to juice it at the end of the year AND/OR Euro bailouts will be defined by end of the year so banksters can call it green....which will bring up SPY 8-10%.

 

http://stockcharts.com/c-sc/sc?s=AGG&p=D&st=2011-01-01&en=%28today%29&i=...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:42 | 1726870 There is No Spoon
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This is not expanding the Fed's balance sheet so it won't pump up stocks, just a way to help the banks even more.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1727015 karzai_luver
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sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............banks pump stocks.

 

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1726872 SilverDoctors
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Eric Sprott Sold 374,012 Shares of PSLV Three Days Prior to Latest Silver Smash!

Interesting that Sprott sold out merely days before the May silver smash, and now again before the Sept silver smash.
Also Interesting how there have been no follow-on physical silver purchases recently as their have been with his gold fund.
What do you think the chances a certain bank is offerring advanced knowledge of their impending silver raids in exchange for relief from further physical purchases?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 16:42 | 1727431 Citxmech
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No doubt Sprott is placed well enough has some kind network feeding him information.

   It would be interesting to see what kind of controls in place to keep him being played for a mark (ala "the wire" con from The Sting).

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:43 | 1726876 rambler6421
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Brian Sach.......the helicopter pilot.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:44 | 1726882 kito
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does pomo increase feds balance? 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:47 | 1726905 GeneMarchbanks
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does the Pope shit in the woods? NO! ... wait...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:57 | 1726950 Zero Debt
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It looks like they are cancelling out in this case but the ranges are not precise so you can't really say until the purchases are completed and besides this is going to be an ongoing exercise. They said 400 billion and here it's 44 billion or so to "twist".

The purchase operations are of very long maturities, 2017, 2019, etc, and they are twice as many, but note, that the sales operations of the short maturities e.g. 2012, 2014 are more than twice the size on each line.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:37 | 1727826 Melin
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love the avatar

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1726889 Stuart
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they basically net out...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:49 | 1726915 Elooie
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They net out but the buying is prior to the selling so its like they are increasing the balance sheet for 3-4 days prior to netting out the balance. Its like they are building some float.  Even if it isnt that much.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:53 | 1726931 kito
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thanks, thats what i figured.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1726892 Erin_Burnett_fo...
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All trading is ovserving the past and predicting the future. based on this anyone who isn't long NFLX or APPL or any of the momo stocks is just throwing money doen the toilette.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1726899 monopoly
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LOLOLOL!!!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:52 | 1726926 monopoly
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FCX, one of the best copper producers, near a 2 year low. Geesh

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:53 | 1726934 adr
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I was wondering all day what the 3pm rumor du jour ramp stocks 2% in the green would be.

Can't let it fall, go hackey sac market.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1726954 PulauHantu29
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Euro Devaluation

The European sovereign debt crisis will trigger a devaluation of the euro against the U.S. dollar, which would impact U.S. exports. Europe is the largest export market for the United States. Depreciation in the euro will make American exports to Europe more expensive, which would significantly weaken the only remaining engine of growth for U.S. economic recovery after the U.S. government ended its stimulus package. Total U.S. exports accounted for more than one-third of American economic growth in 2010 and helped the economy recover from the Great Recession.

 

http://thetriangle.org/2011/09/30/european-recession-may-spread/

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1726964 vote_libertaria...
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People totally miss this is Treasury buying neutral (assuming they are telling the truth)

 

Treasury still needs to find $120B in new buyers every MONTH ($1.5T deficit).

 

QE2 bought them some time...but this new Twist program doesn't expand on QE2.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1726965 Undecided
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Bullish on Trees.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1726967 Woodrox
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oh c'mon tis... you don't like that handsome fella b biggs... he always makes an appearance on cnbc, when no one else dare appear on show  lol

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:07 | 1726987 bill1102inf
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Over the past decade, if you were bullish cocaine, marijuana, meth, oxy and mushrooms you would be doing great.

 

What war on drugs?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:38 | 1727726 SilverDosed
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My pot is cheaper now than it was ten years ago...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:11 | 1727005 Archimedes
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Please..this is just pissing in the wind. I doubt this will be very market moving.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:14 | 1727021 karzai_luver
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dead markets don't move they do twitch though.

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:14 | 1727026 kk1532003
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3:00 PM pump is on bitchez...

 

what a fucking fraud...

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:34 | 1727100 walküre
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not today

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:42 | 1727134 RSloane
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They may have applied the tourniquet a bit too late. I see some blood flowing still.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:18 | 1727042 crumbum89
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Is it just me or does anyone else see how often in the last month buying comes in to protect 1140 on the S&P. Today 9/30 is a good example. Twice now!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:20 | 1727050 walküre
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So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday we rally and on Thursday we take profit? Friday rally into the weekend?

Just like the good ole' days of 2009!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1727062 arizona11912
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How does it exactly work with the Fed's balance sheet and POMO?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:47 | 1727159 RSloane
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You can google POMO but mostly you will find articles that credit Zero Hedge with their information. The best place for a summary of all POMO elements is the search function of ZH. Good stuff in the archives.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1727063 arizona11912
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How does it exactly work with the Fed's balance sheet and POMO?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:40 | 1727125 Mr_Wonderful
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FED trying to put on a brave face ..

 

St. Louis Fed's James Bullard says the central bank is prepared to ease policy if necessary, noting that "the Fed has potent tools at its disposal and is not now, or ever, out of ammunition." But he objects to decisions such as the commitment to keep rates low until 2013; central bankers should adjust policy over shorter time frames, he says, given economic uncertainties.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:46 | 1727155 KingdomKum
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Warren Buffoon just farted in his bubble bath  .  .  . 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:36 | 1727591 Grand Supercycle
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S&P500 updated chart at blog shows price converging towards apex.

It should drop out of triangle and resumption of downtrend.

http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com

http://twitter.com/grandsupercycle

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 18:00 | 1727652 Waterfallsparkles
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So, do I hold my Long trades into the weekend?  Hmm.

Big take down in last few minutes of trading.  Or, was that the set up for next week?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 20:26 | 1727924 David99
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I think Markets will be in green 75% times every week as POMO will do its job. Ben has just twisted the name, but the purpose is basically to pump the markets.

Any thoughts from the readers here ??

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:56 | 1728066 jfal014
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First sell (price drops), then buy cheaper. Has the selling finished? How much of OT2 (operation twist) has been priced in?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 21:52 | 1728061 jfal014
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The FED purchases 5 to 6 year assets in QE2, then goes to sell 3 or less year assets and buy 6 to 10 and 20 to 30 year assets. Roughly 75% of 3 or less years will be sold! 

QE2

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/opolicy/operating_policy_101103.html

OT2

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/opolicy/operating_policy_110921.html

So, who will keep the near term curve down? Does the FED hope/ know some1's can do that? European banks need 7 day liquidity loans ... but that could put more pressure on dollar demand. Or is that just printed on paper/ typed on screen?

This swaping near term bills/ notes (paper) for Benjam's (paper) = dollar shortage? (i.e. near term paper swap = paper currency demand up)? This is like QE long term, and QT (quantitative tighting) short term, hence "twist". If a 'liquidity trap' is occuring (ie. insufficient credit demand), then may be pumping short term % rates on savings is a good thing? And try get more loans going for longer.

Is a cubic curve coming:)

I'm going short paper, or am I better long? F**k 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 23:14 | 1728140 Demogorgon
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Pushing on a string.

Fuck the (intentional lower-case "f") fed. They're a collusion of thieves stealing our wealth through planned inflation. Every single action they take is simply an act of self-preservation. They don't give a shit about us. I don't give shit about them.

Fuck them all. Each and every one of them. Fucking traitors. They should be hanged, drawn and quartered.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 23:29 | 1728177 bid the soldier...
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Either what you said or the fed is grappling with the problem of Peak Oil, the undiscovered Boulevard from whose dead-end no vehicle returns.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 23:51 | 1728190 Demogorgon
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I don't understand your reply.

What does wealth destruction through planned inflation and fiat currency destruction have anything to do with peak oil? Do you think the fed is trying to discover the next elephant oil field and/or create some alternative to fossil fuels through monetary policy?

Yeah, that'll solve the issue of peak oil! Who needs oil when you can just fill up your tank with worthless paper!

Wait. I don't think my car's engine is a flex-fuel/FRN car. Do they sell conversion kits for that? You know, like running your diesel car on vegatable oil by changing a few hoses? If so, print, print, print!

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 00:37 | 1728268 bid the soldier...
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Sorry to be such an obtuse writer. Let's agree that Peak Oil is a fact for this argument. There is a date certain for the time that trouble breaks out between countries that have more oil and those that have less. No one knows that date although some (militaries, international oil companies) have a better idea than others (me, you, Tyler).

But everybody knows that the eventual arrival of Peak Oil MUST BE KEPT SECRET FROM 99.99% of the peeps. Or panic rules.
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TO DO THAT................BUSINESS AS USUAL...........PRETEND

The markets are probably fixed. Half the players are losing. The other half
are making money. You want to play? If you're not onthe side of the crooks, you lose. Fundamentals have nothing to do with it. There is only one fundamental now: PEAK OIL.

Don't understand the dollar? Inflation? Deflation? It all doesn't mean a thing. The fed and all the other central banks are working together to keep as many of the 7 billion of us as unpaniicked as possible as long as possible

Remember the fed hasn't printed any money, they have only credited the accounts of their client banks. If there are no wheelbarrows full of million dollar bank notes, AND no other central bank calls PENGO (hyperinflation), life is going to be as good as it can be with the sword of Peak Oil dangling over our heads.

Someplace else I said that what we are seeing is the suppression of the
demand for crude oil to make what's left last longer, while the global economy is pretending that everything is normal.

We're all in this together, so why not make this mess as enjoyable as possible?

Unless there's a revolution, this is the worse case scenario. Unless there's a
revolution, it can only get better than this.

I'm working on a more understandable rant. (ha ha) Stay tuned. :o)

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 01:05 | 1728312 Demogorgon
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Thanks for the reply. That does clear up my misunderstanding of your first reply. The first reply came across, as you mentioned, a bit obtuse. I apologize if I came across as an ass.

I'm with you on energy depletion. I too am one of those "crazy" peak-oilers who understands that reserves are finite, and that the earth is round. On peak oil, I find it so very interesting to see so many people choosing which science/math to believe. It makes no sense to me. To say Hubbert's peak is bunk is to claim that 2+2=5. Math is not personal. It doesn't care about anyone's misguided beliefs. Alas, the abiotic fossil fuel pollyannas will argue that 2+2=5 until they're six feet under.

Now, on to the fed.

Do you REALLY think the primary motive behind their actions is to quell the masses' response to peak oil? If so, how the hell does inflating the price of oil through inflation via QE, POMO, and yes, de facto money printing help in any way? Are you claiming they're intentionally making oil, and all commodities, more expensive in an effort to wean everyone off of them? I'm sorry, but again it makes no sense to me. Starve the masses to ease their pain?

The fed doesn't give a shit about us or peak oil or anything other than keeping thevsheeple in the dark and preserving the status quo.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 05:27 | 1728378 bid the soldier...
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If you came across as an ass (your avatar, too), then call me Titania. :o)

Whether peak oil comes in 5 years or 50 years, our behavior must be scrupulously orderly. We must live exactly like we would if there were no Peak Oil. In that way, there will be less displacement and dislocation of those whose lives still have the semblance of order. And there will be fewer who lost that semblance. Pretending that it's not a Peak Oil problem, but for appearances, that it's a terrible global economy. (Maybe I should I shut it?)

It may be that those who don't believe in Peak Oil will be happier than those who do. Their denial involves getting huffy at Peak Oilers, and searching everywhere for corroboration of their view, and not thinking that the end is as near as Peak Oilers do. And trading their markets.

Abiotic oil. Can you believe such a thing?

The Fed! First you have to under stand that the Fed is not running the show in this country. Nor Wall Street. Sometime between 1971 when Hubbert's dread prediction came true and, say, Greenspan's 'irrational exuberance', this moved into the hands of the U.S. Military.

You see peak oil doesn't occur when the turkey baster sucks out the last drop, it's when the Army says the rest of it belongs to us. Sure, they'll give some to the farmers, but keeping their birds in the air is the name of the end game.

You say
"The fed doesn't give a shit about us or peak oil or anything other than keeping thevsheeple in the dark and preserving the status quo."

And I am saying they are "keeping the sheeple in the dark and preserving the status quo', for the good of most of us and not to our detriment. Doesn't a parent of young children will keep them in the dark and try to maintain the status quo when it is necessary? No one can admit to needing the tough economic love the Fed now has to mete out. Can you imagine what life would be like today if 5 out of the 7 billion of us believed the world would soon be out of crude oil?

My guess is that right now there is some agreement by the central banks to let certain governments print as much as they need to keep their seniors alive and their welfare recipients sheltered and fed.

There is no hyperinflation in the U.S.A. until one of the other central banks CALLS HYPERINFLATION.

The markets in America and around the world are now nothing but a dumb show. The bids are real. The offers are real. The profits and losses are real. The commissions are real. But they're irrelevant because Peak Oil Rules.

Gold at $2000. The Dow 3000 points off it's all time high. I've been in the market for a long time. It was rigged when I started; it's rigged now, except now there is more shit to be crooked.

I know this sounds very simplistic, but imagine a large USA corporation that everyone knows is bankrupt. Every day the management comes to work and places orders like what it usual and continues to sell its products like usual. Most managers are looking for other jobs, but until they get other employment they show up at 9:00am and collect their paychecks. It's make believe to them, but they go through it until the other shoe drops.

The good news is the world is finally working together for a common good. Wouldn't you know it would be just before the end.

Daily Hamlet

"This quarry cries on havoc.
O, Peak Oil what feast is toward in thine eternal cell,
That thou so many peeps at a shot
So cruelly has struck"

I'll try to explain things better in a later post for you.
It's called "Metaphor on the Bounty." A week or two. I'll wait till I see your
sulfurous name and lovely avatar. :o)

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 07:25 | 1728474 dcb
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please don't forget you can alter coal to oil. therefore the supply of oil is 4really large. it's not about peak, it's about cost to supply (at this point)

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 13:30 | 1729127 bid the soldier...
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Wikipedia does not even mention coal as an unconventional source of oil

"Unconventional sources, such as heavy crude oil, oil sands, and oil shale are not counted as part of oil reserves. However, with rule changes by the SEC,[65] oil companies can now book them as proven reserves after opening a strip mine or thermal facility for extraction. These unconventional sources are more labor and resource intensive to produce, however, requiring extra energy to refine, resulting in higher production costs and up to three times more greenhouse gas emissions per barrel (or barrel equivalent) on a "well to tank" basis or 10 to 45% more on a "well to wheels" basis, which includes the carbon emitted from combustion of the final product."

The nightmare of extracting coal from the mine and shipping it to an extraction plant has got to be a more expensive operation than refining oil from heavy crude, sands, and shale. It probably will be done at the beginning of the end of the end game.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 00:02 | 1728233 Bansters-in-my-...
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Fucking CRIMINALS.

CAN YOU READ THE SENTIMENT FUCK HEAD FED.???

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 07:14 | 1728464 dcb
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are you saying the publishing of this and the program (in the setting of record low yeilds) is about getting money to the primary dealers to boost up the market. that the real (stated) nature of why the program is being run isn't correct.

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