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Popularity Of Greek Neo-Nazi Party Continues Surging

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There is a reason why we called the graph of youth unemployment in Europe 'the scariest chart' as quite simply, it is the leading indicator for what most call 'social unrest' - but some would call 'uprising'. In somewhat stunning news today, not only do a majority (54%) of Greeks no longer trust any political party, but the popularity of the ultra-nationalist Golden Dawn has risen dramatically since May. According to Ekathimerini, the popularity of Golden Dawn's leader Nikos Mihalolioakos has risen ten points since May to an incredible 22%. More than 1 in 5 Greeks now support the neo-nazi party as the general disillusionment with mainstream political parties - who are seen as lying to get votes - grows stronger. 85% believe that the new measures planned by the government to take affect them personally or another member of their family and 68% are against the terms of the EU's bailout.

 

Via Skai.gr:

The stunning performance (absolute and relative) of the Golden Dawn party relative to the rest of Greece's political parties is truly concerning...no on par with PASOK!!

 


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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Full steam ahead Bitchezz!!!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Popo
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Forgetting about economics for a second:   Could Germany even be in a political union with a Nazi led Greece?   There are 1000 ways the Eurozone could fall apart -- but this is one that I'm not sure people see coming.   Can anyone imagine Merkel sitting at a table and discussing policy with... the Nazis???

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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They won't be called "Nazi", that's a term derived from the German language. And they won't be Germans for that matter.

But she won't be able to sit at the table with a Greek who is not embracing austerity. So yeah, they still have a problem.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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These days, anybody who stands for national sovereignty vs. the Jew-Bankster-Globalist moloch is called a "Nazi". Blow it out your ass, kosher MSM...and onward Golden Dawn. And coming soon, to a globalist-raped country near you.  

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Time to bake the .... oh fuck that was mean.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:14 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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And coming soon, to a globalist-raped country near you. 

That much at least is indisputably true.

And it would be a delicious irony if WW3 were fought mostly among nations lead by imperialistic neo-Nazis each trying to out-Hitler the other.

Maybe after a decade of that they'd get over themselves.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Sadly, you speak the truth. If you are against the cabal of International Banksters you are a NAZI.

International Banksters to The People of Greece: Pay your bills, bitchez.

The People of Greece to International Banksters: But I didn't take the money, the Squid corrupted my government and they took the money.

International Banksters to The People of Greece: You fucking NAZIs pay your bills.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment bankruptcylawyer
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as a jew who is a acutely aware of this dynamic, i am saddened. i am a zionist myself, but the original dream of zionism was not to depend on global inflation to sustain a permanent military policy in the middle east. everyone knew there would be fighting , as there always has been. 

 

but this wall street debasement is sad. its extending to impoverish europe. the sad fact is that most people who repeat the mantra of 'never forget' trying to prevent another holocaust, forget that the conditions that led to the holocaust resulted from a slow crushing debtload and the rinse and dry cycle of inflation and deflation that destroyed the social fabric of germany and europe at large over a full 2.5 decades past world war i.

we have begun the cycle about 5 years ago. perhaps in 20 years we'll have some interesting explosion.  

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 00:54 | Link to Comment Element
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I think your timeline expectation is about right.  Mein Kampf was written in 1923 but the hatred, disillusionment and resentment was already pervasive a full 22 years before WWII in Europe ended.

Major wars don't come out of nowhere, there are always decades of precursors to large-scale protracted battles.  Decades of incredibly stupid errors and incitements are it takes, and the longer it goes on the more intense and perverse the competing propaganda becomes, until we all end up as warped as North Korea or perhaps even as deranged as North America.

The future follows a path that is determine by what we do right now.  If you want to change the future path you have to change what is going wrong, right now.  Everyone is responsible for their own actions, inactions and reactions.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 00:50 | Link to Comment Element
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By the way, you might want to watch this video, it was very interesting, and his replies to questions quite constructive:

National Press Club: Ilan Pappe

Updated September 19, 2012 18:40:05

Israeli historian Professor Ilan pappe (and former Zionist) addresses the Australian National Press Club on September 19, 2012.

Source: National Press Club | Duration: 58min 14sec

VIDEO:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-19/national-press-club-ilan-pappe/427...

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment jcia
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NAZI= NA+ZI

NA= National

ZI= Zionists

#BOOMTHATFUCKERS

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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NAZI only means the Greeks prefer National Socialsts over Multicultural Socialists.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Father Lucifer
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OK now you got the -6

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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Your knowledge of the German language is superseded only by your knowledge of history. 

 

Or... maybe your just an anti-Semitic idiot. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment akak
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So just what makes this Greek political party "Neo-Nazi", anyway?

And how can ANY party in Greece possibly be "Neo-Nazi", when the original Nazis were German and anti-Greek in the first place?

I know nothing about this Golden Dawn Party, other than that any mention of it is automatically, and ALWAYS, preceded by the phrase "Neo-Nazi".  Given this drumbeat of hostility against it by the mainstream media, I suspect that there is actually something of real value in it, and that they are actually taking hard stands against the globalist financial elite to engender such hatred from the powers that be.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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My sentiments exactly.  At first I thought they were just a bunch of hatemongers taking advantage of a bad situation.  But the fact that everyone calls them Nazis, when that is a logical impossibility, leads me to belive that they actually might be the good guys.  The msm nowdays always calls the good guys Nazis. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Dead Canary
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They beat up people in the street for being foreign. That kind of stuff is gonna bite em in the ass on the world stage.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:07 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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So, they need to take a Dale Carnegie class on winning friends and influencing people. 

 

Plus when everyting goes to hell in a handbasket, who the fuck cares how you are viewed on the world stage. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment greyghost
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+ 1

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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They are considered Nazi because Mihaloliakos is a Holocaust doubter.   I agree with you.  Because they are so vilified, there is probably a lot of good there.  But we also need to be careful of the Fascist / Communist paradigm, used by the elites to manipulate, long before the DEM / GOP division.   

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Which holocaust?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Raymond Reason
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There can only be one. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment vic and blood
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Salud!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment arkady
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Well the leader of this party, in an interview, spoke highly of Hitler.

The party specifically allows only Aryans and full blooded Greeks.

The original Golden Dawn flag had the exact same color patterns as the nazi swastika.

They use violence as a means of scaring opposition, a la brown shirt (SA) tactics.

 

Lots of folks here on ZH object to the term neo-nazi in reference to GD, but the similarities are quite profound.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment bankruptcylawyer
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greece is used by nato as a bulwark against the 'east' the greek people have been in between the turks and the persians---and europe for millenia, they've done a fair bit of fighting. against others and amongst themselves.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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So effing what. If this is what it takes to stiff the (also extremely violent) JewBankster-globalists and their stooges, then so be it. The choice is between a world of Nations, and a universal Gulag run by the Chosen.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment vic and blood
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I knew I should have chosen Bazarov for a moniker.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment zelter
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The original Nazis were far from anti-Greek. Germany had no territorial claims on Greece, and Hitler admired the Greek people as the originators of "Aryan" civilisation.

When Greece was under the rule of General Metaxas, who had set up an ultra-nationalist regime, its foreign policy was pro-German, since it saw Germany as the main guardian of Greece against Communism

Hitler also used his clout to help Greece escape debt obligations, which the current German Government seems unwilling to.

Things only changed with Mussolini's gormless invasion and Germany's later inability to upkeep Greece due to the Allied food blockade and Communist partisans sabotaging all efforts of the puppet government to keep things running.

 

What makes Golden Dawn "neo-Nazi" is, of course, that it seeks national self-determination for the Greek people, purportedly offered by their constitution.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Mussolini thought "neutral" Greece was aiding the Brits, or at least that's what he said.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment zelter
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That was one of the pretexts, yes, although he probably wanted it a long-term satrapy more than anything. The Axis occupation of Greece was due entirely to Mussolini's invasion at the end of October 1940, which he had carried out totally contrary to the wishes of Hitler, who had hoped to make Greece an ally or at least a benevolent neutral. Mussolini had sought the support of both Yugoslavia and Bulgaria for his invasion of Greece, promising Yugoslavia Thessaloniki and Bulgaria Western Thrace. However, both Yugoslavia and Bulgaria were pro-German, and obeyed Hitler's instruction not to participate; they even informed the Greek Government of the Italian plans.

The Greek Government at Athens always regarded Italy with suspicion, fearing Italian expansionist ambitions in regard to ethnic Greek territory dating right back to the Venetian seizure of Constantinople in 1204. More recently, in the early 1920s, Italy had seized the Dhodhekanisi Islands (including Rhodes), which had previously been Ottoman territory but had been awarded to Greece in the peace settlement at the end of the First World War.

Although the Greek Army under Metaxas strongly opposed the Italian invasion and even pushed the Italian forces well back into Albania, the Greek regime did not adopt an anti-German attitude, seeing its quarrel with Italy only. The Greek-Italian war was seen by Metaxas as a separate conflict from the war between Germany and Britain. Accordingly, he refused offers of British military help against Italy, since he well knew that the British aim was not so much to help Greece as to obtain air-bases on Greek soil from which it could threaten Germany's main source of oil in Romania.

It was only after General Metaxas died in Janaury 1941 that the Greek Government accepted the British offer of aid, and allowed British forces to take up positions in Greece. It was that action by the Greek Government that led to Hitler's decision to invade Greece, in order to deny it to Britain.

The conquest of Greece was entirely an achievement of the German forces, and the military occupation of the greater part of Greek territory by Italian forces was a concession by Germany, not something that the Italian forces had won by their own prowess.

The new Greek Government in Athens and large parts of the Greek population welcomed the German occupation, seeing it as a bulwark against the Popular Front created by the Comintern, which had gained control of the Greek labour movement in the 1920s. The Italians however were always regarded with suspicion because of their expansionist aims (the impressions created by fims like "Mediterraneo" and "Captain Corelli's Mandolin", while they might have some truth at a purely personal or local level, are essentially false).

The Athens Government was prepared to tolerate the presence of Italian forces on its territory as long as Italy was allied with Germany and assisting it in the defence of European civilisation against Bolshevism. However, as soon as the Royal Italian Government surrendered, Italy was no longer an ally of the Greek Government in Athens, and its presence on Greek territory became immediately illegal.

It is noteworthy that when the German forces evacuated Greece and British forces took up occupation at the end of 1944, the latter permitted the Athens Government to remain in de facto power, and assisted it in its fight against the Communist partisans. The new Greek Government that was set up by Britain consisted of elements drawn both from the former collaborationist government in Athens and from the returning Royal Government-in-Exile.

Greece was the only country formerly under German occupation where the Allies allowed a government that had collaborated with the occupation to remain in power, and where the Allies joined the former collaborators in fighting against the Communists who had formerly resisted the German occupation.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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"However, both Yugoslavia and Bulgaria were pro-German, and obeyed Hitler's instruction not to participate; they even informed the Greek Government of the Italian plans."

Right, the Greeks knew the Italians were coming but the Italians didn't know that the Greeks knew they were coming.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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Other than the ample use of swastikas, in their true Reich context - none of that Hellenic/Indian paganistic symbol - shit, in their premises, publications, as well as public praise of Adolph and his visionary national "cleansing" strategies, through their official magazine, along with their well-publicized mandate of open-ended hatred towards un-Aryan "intruders", conveniently veiled as an anti-immigrant stance, which becomes widely accepted much easier, due to the apropos contemporary nature of the issue? - Nothing.

Regarding the issue of the nomenclatural definition, "Neo-Nazi" pertains to their party-ideology of ultranationalism, ethnocentricity, as well as religious and genetic purity, through right wing autocratism. As such, the term becomes an appropriate definition, disregarding its historical context of Greek opposition to Nazism, since the current political party, ascribes to the exact ideology of the then prevalent German party.

I specifically recall the public shock here in Cyprus, with the post-election results, and the event where Golden Dawn's leader Nikos Mihalolioakos' protégé, struck the member from the Greek communist party on air, and members from a Cypriot "sister party", though considerably weaker in popularity, were being interviewed and asked about their ties with the Greek party, whether they hold the same xenophobic agendas, whether they praise Hitler as a political archetype (after shown Golden Dawn's official publications) etc.

Consensus, as well as reason indicates that yes, it is a party representing an extreme ideology on the political spectrum, regardless of its current popularity and broad acceptance, resulting from political failure of the mainstream politics, whose representatives chose to abuse their constituents' gullibility, instead of practising moderation thorough consideration for their people, which lead to social dilapidation and acceptance of fringe ideologies due to increased desperation of the broader citizenry, as well as outrage.

Hard stance again the globalist financial elite has my absolute vote, when provided by channels with coherent reasoning and logical ideologies, preferably non-susceptible to immoderate actions, or pandering to the lowest denomination with sensationalistic panderism, advocating herding using jingoism and racism, for the sole purpose of populational number accumulation.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:50 | Link to Comment zelter
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There is nothing extreme or "Nazi" about Greece belonging to the Greeks, which is what the party can and will bring about, regardless of whether it is currently oppressed by leftists like you as even some in your own camp admit.

Furthermore, there is everything extreme about any political party preaching the race-replacement of Greeks with non-Greeks in their own land, bringing about their impoverishment and minoritisation, or devolving most political power to an uncontrolable, anti-white entity such as the EU.

Perhaps the only jingoism and racism is yours and the non-Greek colonisers' who robbed the country blind.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment akak
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Interesting discussion and comments --- thank you both.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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Are you aware of your overwhelming transparency, or is your general moronism hampering all degrees of your limited introspection? Has anybody mentioned anything about any sort of correlation between the right of Greeks for national sovereignty, and "extreme Nazism”?

How exactly is the fact of refusing to adhere to militant ideologies, that openly incite discrimination of certain social sub-groups, while leading to sectarian violence, pertains to your woefully unintelligible definition of myself as a "leftist”? Are you familiar with any kind of definition of any sort of political labelling, seeing that you are more than able and willing to throw them around, as if they mean fuck all?

And who the fuck preached anything about any sort of "race-replacement" of the Greek people with non-Greeks, promoting thusly any sort of fictional minoritization, in order to "devolve the political power to an uncontrollable anti-white entity”? Seriously, I'd like to know where do you come up with these kinds of inanities, because I'm fairly certain that no strain of pot has magic powers.

To summarize in the most simplified manner possible, in order to render this post comprehensible for a simpleton like you; 

It is obvious that there is a rampant immigration problem, due to political failure of regulating its inflows, regarding Greece, as well as issues regarding the integration of immigrant groups into host-societies, on a global scale, due to cultural, religious and oftentimes purely racial clashes, which hamper the process of societal assimilation.

That said, and with a firm guidance from the well archived history, when a party surfaces in a time of social disarray, which advocates militant intolerance, in order for the rightful and righteous prevalence of the national, religious and physical race, while recruiting mentorless hordes of misguided youth, seeking for any kind of purpose, sporting uniforms with alternate versions of signage pertaining to a past national party whose leader ordered the death of social segments in gas chambers, for his own ideological agenda which was the prevalence of his own national, religious and physical race, and whose actions consist the premise of the current party's mandate, then nine times out of ten, one can be sure that it wont end well.

Again, there's no excuse for such idiocy, particularly when comparable actions lead to destructive results that are well and widely known, even for halfwits such as yourself and your likeminded peers. It is as if society has become entirely averse to critical thinking leading to any moderate positions, through reasonable analysis, and instead only reacts to extreme sensationalism in a drone-like manner and in flocks.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:58 | Link to Comment zelter
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Stop being a pretentious shithead. You support the forced "integration" and "assimilation" of non-Greek--and worse, non-European--peoples into the Greek gene pool, and thus the destruction of Greeks as a coherent, continguous ethnic group with a place to call home.

Non-Europeans have no place in Greece to begin with. That your ilk can undertake the destruction of Greeks via an open-borders invasion policy and a shit-eating grin rather than the gas chambers you appear to obsess about should hopefully not deter any Golden Dawn members from treating their enemies as their behaviour dictates they should be treated.

Here is an interesting essay from a leftist admitting that they probably well-deserve the comeuppance GD will mete out after they take over, as a consequence of their vile tactics in oppressing them and other Greeks seeking national self-determination all this time: http://www.protothema.gr/blogs/blogger/post/?aid=219250

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 03:04 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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I'll stop being a pretentious shithead when you stop being an ignorant cunt, as I don't know how the point which I'm trying to make, can be explained in plainer terms, in order for you no to twist the absolute shit out it, and delve into your repeated tripe of "destruction of Greeks as a coherent, continuous ethnic group".

The joke of an article you are referring to, barely passes as journalism, as it poorly attempts to define the traction enjoyed by the party, which you support, in the polls, as a reaction to a problem that has reached critical mass. Then he just goes on to explain the deeper "psychological" reasoning, behind Golden Dawn's ascendance, crediting the obvious economic deterioration, social collapse, and overall financial pillaging, enforced by Greece's lenders.

Well no shit; lower social masses are fed up by the continuous failure, of the consecutive political administrations who enjoyed power for a prolonged period, and whose policies lead to a national economic disarray, and a complete social backwardness. And your answer to this is a new-fascist group, which bases its ideology on different fascist group of the past, as the most convenient solution, simply because of the sheer number of disenfranchised lower social classes, who feel the most affected by the influx of illegal immigrants.

You want a viable solution, change the policies that nobody said shit about for all those years, because everybody was apparently too busy sipping frappe for 7 hours every day around Kolonaki, and regulate your fucking immigration flows, but don't try to pass a party that recruits its own “Jugendbund” division, sporting the usual recognizable insignia, in order to go and beat up illegal immigrants who sell shit on illegal stands, just because the average Greek class has lost its collective dignity, or because the Germans are making fun of them in 'die Bild' by using stereotypes which hurt their collective ego, or because the majority of the Greek youth are unemployed.

If you have a problem with your politicians, get your heads out of your asses and stop electing them, before they fuck your place up, the way they did. If you have an open border problem, tend to it, before the situation becomes unbearable and uncontrollable, the way it did. You didn't have to wait a whole decade to notice that half of Afghanistan, Albania, Pakistan and Bangladesh, walked pass your useless border control, and now you cry about the rampant crime increase by illegal non Europeans, belonging to the lowest possible underclasses, from countries with the Human Development Index of Burundi.

What passes as an excuse, for the actions of the joke that you call your "political" party now, wont be tolerated when this cycle turns again, and people's collective memory becomes selective, again, and cheap credit starts flowing, again, and people start act in the usual manner, again, like the sheep they are. Because they will start debating about "that" time, a couple of years back, when things got out of control, and a party consisting of uneducated mindless thugs came to power, because we the voters were too busy buying iPods on credit, but then we realized that when a fascist group engages in militant autocracy in order to pressure on a specific social segment, of non-whites at the time, is more likely to engage in the same practices in order to pressure a different social segment, which isn't to its liking, according to the situation, and that will almost always lead to unfavourable outcomes, because history happened before and books exist. 

 

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 07:12 | Link to Comment zelter
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Once again, you are lying about the situation. Mass immigration of foreigners into Greece is an intended policy of the transnational elite in Europe ruling Greece at the moment. It has nothing to do with oversights, which would be more believable if every other European country did not have the exact same policies imposed on unwilling populations.

There is no reason why GD should give a shit that foreigners are the underclass. Foreigner trash are brought into European countries to control and undermine the native populations. They don't belong in Greece or Europe, period.

The only thing out of control is the Greek Government, which currently does not belong to the Greek people, and the Greek politicians which do not serve the Greek people. It is irrelevant who is elected or not as long as Greece is non-sovereign, since the EU bounds the Greek Government to take whatever measures it decides.

Even now, you and your ilk and your system politicians continue to lie that expelling the foreigners--fixing the deliberately-created problem--is somehow magically impossible, and that violence against those who lie so brazenly is somehow wrong. Golden Dawn will demonstrate in both cases that it isn't, when it gets to power, and good for it.

Finally, it is not my political party at all as I do not live in Greece. Border control is a "competence" that was ceded to the European Union, to Frontex, by the way. The EU is already fully autocratic and since they won't give up willingly there is nothing to do about that but to destroy it.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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Lying about what? About right-wing fascism not being a viable solution because it bodes to reactionary short-termism, that Golden Dawn is in a fact a political party which openly promotes such policies through situational manipulation, or that illegal immigration has reached a critical mass as a problem that has been festering for the past decade while Greeks gave a considerably less fuck about it because they were still living the good life, through the still existent debt-fuelled cash flow which allowed them to dance on a nightly basis at Villa Mercedes, Galea and Bocca along Athen's beach coast, as if there was literally no tomorrow.

And now all of a sudden, everybody noticed the kind of disarray the state of the nation lies, because the noose got tighter due to bankers turning the taps off, and everybody realizing the amount of political corruption, that has been taking place for decades, because they are left with the bill and nothing to show for, and demand immediate action by any means possible, even if it translates to mob lynching in the middle of the streets for the same immigrants who have been pestering everyone by selling their shit around everywhere, since the time back when nobody even noticed their existence, because they were too busy not giving a shit while spending frivolously and being proper drones?

And while I'd be considerably less inclined to subscribe to the theory claiming that international bankers, multinational company executives, members of the Bilderberg Group, elite academics, senior judges, United Nations officials and European Union strategists are working together to undermine the remnants of sovereignty and identity of nations through mass Third World immigration, before the signing of the Treaty of Amsterdam, which mandated that the EU Council of Ministers, acting on proposals from the unelected European Commission, should assume responsibility for immigration policies from individual member-countries, I still can't accept that political oversight and social ignorance played no part in this, or that supporting parties that advocate sectarian violence is any form of solution.

Frontex is an incompetent agency, I'll give you that, although the UK isn't a member and its borders are poorly regulated as well.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment morpheus000
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Do you think your comments make sense in a market that is a speculative acid bath...

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 19:13 | Link to Comment morpheus000
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What are you talking about you dickwad this is a puppet show you cant make judgements.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment morpheus000
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Golden Dawn is peanuts. You havent seen the real fascists yet.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Element
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No really akak, they're evil sods who want their country back and their own interests best-served and respected, as the only valid basis for a state to even exist.

A pack of real evil bastards.

I guess the main objection is not that bankers used any and all dirty vile tactics and practices to subjugate them, but that they have the cheek to use an equal but opposite lack of restraint, tactics and geopolitical strategy to reverse it.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 19:22 | Link to Comment morpheus000
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Thats the whole purpose these crooks and their cronies have is to hold populations hostage and suck their blood.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment magpie
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See EU policy towards Austria's FPO Party and its current stance on Hungary (which are 'only' rightwing conservatives, not neo Nazis)

Interesting catalyst for the Grexit, once a leftwing coalition takes over after Merkel - wow, they might even refuse to bail them out any longer - but whom am i kidding, they would start bailing out any Greek opposition parties.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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If you're asking whether "dancing with the Devil" is a possibility???? ........We're Waaaaaaaaaaay past that .......of course the Biatch will.......in a NY second

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment greyghost
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not going to happen...remember the merkel witch was born and raised in east germany a hot bed of communist brainwashing for more than 40 years!!!!!!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Watauga
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Is Golden Dawn National Socialist, or something else?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment muppet_master
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odummernomics

is ready to take the helm....how do you say mein feuhrer in kenya? kenyic? = yes we can?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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right, keep beleiving that all the left/right bullshit.  The banks and financial houses thank you - "mission accomplished".

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Look, someone needs to play the role of "simplistic patsy leading the way to civil war."

Otherwise there won't be enough plot line to support a second season of this crap.

Stay tuned!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Excuse me but WHEN IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY MISSED THEIR TARGETS AND GET NO MORE TRANCHES.

The Dutch election just completed had ALL PARTIES run on a platform of NO MORE MONEY FOR GREECE.

So when is the announcement they are cut off.  When?  The IMF says no more money for them, too.  SO WHEN ARE THEY CUT OFF?

WHEN?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:10 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Um ... I don't know?

Nobody mentioned we had a quiz this morning.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Marley
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LMFAO  Best response today.  Thanks Cougar!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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It's kinda like when Germany wasn't supposed to agree to the bailout plans of the ECB and Mario Draghi ...

The whole summer's worth of articles on ZeroHedge by all those people like Mark Grant and Graham Summers ...

The Germans were not gonna go along! Nein! They would say NEIN! Merkel and the German courts both, NEIN!

And then they both rolled over ...

Everybody in the EU the IMF and global banksterism seems scared ... the derivatives monster, contagion, and whatever else the f*ck in the whole house of cards ...

It seems that if Greece blows up and exits the euro and big-time defaults on everything, then the French and German banks and insurers and pension funds blow up ... and US big banks too

So politicians keep saying, No More Money! No More Bailouts! ... Unless another one is needed to keep the Western world from imploding of course ... That's 'emergency', that's 'different' ...

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Maybe.  Maybe just a little correct, you are.

On the other hand, Germany so far has agreed to the ECB talking.  The ECB has not bought a single bond and Germany has no reason to disagree with doing nothing.

Note also there are no more banks or insurance companies with Greek debt.  The PSI erased them.  The debt that remains is ECB and IMF debt.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The US needs a Nazi party... and an Eco-Freak party, a Jihadist/Fundamentalist coalition Party, a Unionist party, a Government Employees party, Socialist, Communist and Libertarian parties, a Farmer's party, a Hard Money party, and a BANKER's party.

Then perhaps we could disgorge the fallacies of composition from political debate

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Diet Coke and F...
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Canada has two communist parties...

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment BeansBulletsBandaids
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I'd be happy with a viable party that wasn't owned and operted by JPM or GS.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment prains
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I hear Icelandic Fundamentalists wear angora robes

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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Hans Hermann Hoppe said in polite words that the Neocons
and what they stand for would in other places and times
be called National Socialist.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment nofluer
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And the "other" party could be called "communist", or straight-up Fabian Socialist. Be advised - in Europe the US "Neo-cons" are known as "Neo-Libs." Fancy that.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Swahili you mean?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Cdad
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I am not aware of a more bullish equity catalyst than the rise of neo Nazis.  Fabulously capital friendly group.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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You need to study your history a little more.  The Nazis destroyed capital.  Please do some research and think for yourself.  Don't just parrot back the MSM.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment nofluer
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"You need to study your history a little more."

 

HA! I was gonna say that!

Might I suggest a fun little book by Guenter Reiman titled "The Vampire Economy" (Vanguard Press, 1939)

On the bottom of P 157 I quote:

"The fusion between the State and the banks has developed as a result of forces which were miscalculated by all former leaders of the banks as well as of the Nazi party."

Beware of miscalculation.

 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Serious question: How did the nazis destroy capital?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:52 | Link to Comment smiler03
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They bombed London. The capital.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Now if they can just find a good central bank to back them and we can finally get this party started.  Know your history and hedge accordingly.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Olive and Feta mania?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Its_the_economy...
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Long beans, bullets, or bullion? Which?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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All of the above.

Plus Booze.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment edifice
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Plus long boobs... Wait, maybe not long boobs... Nevermind.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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If your nation is going to be fascist anyway, may as well do it right?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Greece needs a President like Obama.  Then this neo-nazi identification would disappear.  

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment machinegear
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Not too surprising. Everyone defaults back to their tribe when the chit hits the fan. Yes, even you. Simply put, multiculturalism is a liberal dream that doesn't exist in the real world.

 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment nodhannum
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Can't we just get along?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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No. And fuck you.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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ROTFLMAO

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Multiculturalism is the jew supremacist wet dream for every country but israel where non-jew immigration and intermarriage are illegal.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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There is really bad Jew-on-Jew racism in super-corrupt Israel.

Israel doesn't let in the deeply religious black Jews from Africa because they are black, they want 'white' Jews from the West who usually are not religious at all.

The black Jews from Africa (Lemba - Remba tribes, others) have deeply rooted Jewish heritage, beliefs and religious practices ... but they get 'f*ck you' from their fellow Jews, the Israeli racists. No 'right of return' for black-skinned Jews.

And on top of all that, the dominant European-descended 'Ashkenazic' Jews in Israel - many of them perhaps descended from the Khazars, a mediaeval kingdom who converted to Judaism in about the 700s (area around what is now Ukraine) -

The Ashkenazic Jews discriminate in Israel against the 'brown' Jews, the Sephardic Jews who have long lived in Palestine and Muslim countries, who are the small group of Jews with a heritage most clearly connecting directly to ancient Israel. But they are second class in Israel.

Not to mention the Israelis treat their elderly like such dirt some of the Jewish World War II survivors even go back to modern Germany and Europe to get decent care, using their rights to German and EU citizenship after Israel betrayed them.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment samsara
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As I long said, the scariest thing to hear in the future is some one saying;

"You ain't from around here are ya?"

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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I was in a multicultural Ranger platoon once upon a time - machinegear, you are full of chit.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Fuck multiculturalism. People are fine living with their own kind in their own place. Mixing them just don't work.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment gojam
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Golden Dawn would need more than 50% of the seats (not necessarily 50% of the votes) to Govern as no other party would go into coalition with them.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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Sturm Abteilung will take care of that.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Do you know anything about Hitler's rise to power? You might want to see how he handled that.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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He handled it really well. Then a clever Zionist stooge named Churchill arranged a World War.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Oh, Dear GOD, what a stupid fucking comment.

So Churchill cleverly compelled the Nazis into attacking Poland even after the British and French governments swore to protect Poland by declaring war if the Nazis invaded? Man, that churchill was surely a clever one for a stooge.

I guess Churchill also compelled Hitler to attack Russia and declare war on the US too?

You stupid fuck.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:06 | Link to Comment blabam
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Who gives a fuck about Poland?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment akak
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The Poles, for starters.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:56 | Link to Comment smiler03
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+1 I agree wholeheartedly. (we can get along ;O) )

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 16:38 | Link to Comment smiler03
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I got a minus 1, surprise surprise.

akak, you really are pathetic.

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Only people who love freedom and liberty.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Hypertension
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here's my take...

What compelled the Nazis into attacking Poland was the post-Versailles farce of national borders between Germany and Poland that left such issues as the Free City of Danzig and East Prussia unsettled (significant numbers of Germans were effectively living in enclaves cut off from their Homeland) sowing the seeds for a future conflict that would - once and for all - resolve the German threat to the former WWI Allies. Until 1935 there were negotiations in place between Hitler and Pilsudski (Polish statesman) to settle these problems peacefully and maintain a neutral relationship (Russia was considered an active threat to both countries, especially after the 1921 bolshevik war), however -after Pilsudskis dead in that year- these attempts were abandoned by an icreasingly bold stance from the new Polish rulers who were enticed by France and UK (by worthless - as they proved - security treaties) to increase discrimination of the German minority, fermenting nationalists sentiments and provoke Hitler into a conflict which was believed to last for a couple of weeks...

Divide et impera at its best.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment morpheus000
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Thats a good analysis. France was betrayed in the same way the following year.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment morpheus000
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Ever wonder why alot of Europeans dont consider the US to be their "saviour"? They know more real history.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Germany also invited Poland to join the Anti-Commintern Pact but as you correctly pointed out the new rulers of Poland were duped not to by the UK and France (both under strong jew supremacist influence) with a promise that they would come to Poland's aid if attacked by Germany-which they didn't and which proved disastrous for Poland, eventually ending up under Communist rule!!! 

Here is some must read info to understand WWI and Versailles: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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True. The Brits were engaged in Realpolitik and were playing the Poles for dupes.

They should have kept their promises to Poland and insisted on a re-establishment of a free Polish government. But the Brits and US were sick of war and decided Poland would have to welter under the rule of the Russians till the Soviet Union itself collapsed.

Had the Poles had their freedom restored, who knows what they would be like today? Maybe more free? But then also maybe like France. In the latter case I would rather live under Communists.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment zelter
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Your take is incomplete.

Hitler could have delayed Danzig and the Corridor for a much longer period were it not for the British blank cheque to Poland on March 31, 1939, according to which Britain and Francewould go to war with Germany should Poland declare its independence threatened, whether directly or indirectly, by Germany.

As a result of the guarantee, Poland became totally intransingent to any German negotiations on the status of Danzig, and immediately declared that it regards Germany annexing Danzig--which was not Poland's, and which was for the most part ethnically German and NSDAP-ruled too--as a threat to its independence for which it will go to war. Poland closed nearly all diplomatic lines to Germany, continuing this until the war.

Britain had in fact issued the guarantee to secure Poland as the eastern front in a future two-front war against Germany, and we have the Cabinet record to prove it. They were trying to build an encircling system of alliances against Germany, because Germany's growth in clout and power under the Nazis undermined their own position, extracting financial rent out of Central and Eastern Europe. The foremost British fear was that Germany would be able to withstand the naval blockade, which had been a tool of fear and starvation in WWI, if Germany gained enough allies and resources, and thus their empire would turn to nothing.

The reason why Germany invaded Poland was because Britain and France had made Poland the keystone to its encirclement of Germany and had thrown down the gauntlet: if Germany did not challenge it, it was over for Germany as an independent European power. Neither side could save face. If Hitler ignored Poland, he would have been hit by virtual ultimata from Britain and France demanding German disarmament and later probably the resignation of the Nazi government. As Hitler could not conceive of giving up on Germany, he had to fight.

Germany had made numerous generous proposals to Poland, only to be snubbed. On the eve of war, Hitler was prepared to make one last attempt to achieve a negotiated settlement, by offering the Marienwerder Proposals, even though he was skeptical of success.

If Poland had accepted the Marienwerder Proposals, agreeing to the reunification of Danzig with Germany and a pleiscite after one year in the Corridor north of the Marienwerder-Konitz Line, Germany and Hitler as its leader would have gained an enormous increase in power and prestige, the very opposite of what was desired by the British and French Governments.

When Britain and Poland continued to play for time, Hitler gave the final go-ahead for invasion on 1 September. The aim was to knock Poland out quickly with one mighty blow, with the object of presenting Britain and France with a fait accompli which might deter them from making war on Germany and encourage them to negotiate a settlement between Germany and Poland, which would include the elimination of the anti-German elements in Poland and installation of a government whose foreign policy was friendly to Germany.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment vic and blood
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Thank you for this concise and authoritative post.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
Fri, 09/21/2012 - 07:33 | Link to Comment zelter
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Rezun's book "Icebreaker" contains two separate theses:

1. That Stalin intended to create a war between the Capitalist states, for the purpose of weakening them so that the Soviet Union could extend its power westwards over the whole of Europe, either by fomenting revolutions, or by military invasion, or both, and that Germany was seen as the "icebreaker" that would destroy the power of the main Capitalist countries in Europe, Britain and France.

2. That Stalin had ordered the Red Army launch a massive strike to the west in July 1941, and that the Red Army was preparing for it.

The first is most likely true, but the second cannot yet be demonstrated since Stalin's strategic thinking between 1939 and 1941 remains largely unknown; we don't know whether it was committed to paper, and if it was it is unavailable except to a few archivists since many of the Stalin files in the Presidential Archive in Russia are under lock. There are some documents about defensive and offensive war plans, but we have no knowledge of their implementation, let alone the near-final go-ahead.

The reason why Hitler attacked the Soviet Union per decision-making was because Stalin became an unreliable partner, suspected of backstabbing Germany in due time. After Germany took over France, Stalin was getting worried about Germany winning the war unscathed and had begun breaking the commercial relationship that Germany and the Soveit Union enjoyed (higher demands from Germany, deliberate delays in orders to Germany). He had also asked for territories in Eastern Europe, getting awfully close to Romania's oil fields without which Germany's war effort would grind to a halt. Hitler then opted for a first strike.

Germany was always in a precarious resource position, and that's the reason it went into war. Please read: http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/ussbsgensum.html

Wed, 09/26/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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GoodLord, what a bunch of horse manure thrown about with no context.

Listen, dude, read Mein Kamph. Hitler planned to subjugate Eastern Europe as a German colonial system from the very start. All the action by the UK and France was merely an awakening to the reality of the situation.

Lol, yeah, Churchill started WW2? what a bunch of nonsense.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Incredibly naive statement. Hitler never had more than 32% of the popular vote. Germany was flirting with communism and his rise to power was basically in response to that fact.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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That and a few strategic assasinations.  Hitler himself was a hit man in his early years.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Hitler was a failure.

But he had ideas and got shit done.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 03:34 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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Hitler rose to totalitarian power without ever having got more than 32% of any popular vote, but, by the time Austria was annexed into the reich he was so popular that he would have won any election overwhelmingly, of course almost the day he combined the office of chancellor and president upon Hinenburg's death he suspended democracy and freedom of the press in Germany.   

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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When you take away from your people the right to elect representatives who will represent them and in their best interests, without the involvement of third parties or forgien establishments.  And when you tell your people that this bastardisation of their home grown politics is for their own good.

All you are left with is Nationalism.  For the whole of the group, for the group as a whole.

Good for the Greeks, fuck the EU, and all who sail on it.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Maybe they can frighten the bankers away. eh?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Perfect... when you are trying to foment wars and unrest.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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Multiculturalism is a tool to enslave and distract. No borders, no culture, no seperate currency and you become food for the fascist predators as a workers colony for multinationals.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment adr
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I always say that diversification guarantees doom. One you stop focusing on what you are good at, and try to be good at everything, you become good at nothing.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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White libertarian red neck here, where is my tribe?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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Will you take an American Indian, libertarian red neck?  I'm a neo-Confederate, whose ancestors fought the damn Yankees.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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You're not allowed to have one. Only feel guilt for things white people supposedly did.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment GFKjunior
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yawn, welfare and debt enslaved the american people. 

 

Supporting closed borders is a weak defense of the welfare state (they'll take my food stamps!). I'm all for borders, private property borders.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Multiculturalism is a tool to enslave and distract. No borders, no culture,

_________________________

Excellent!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment akak
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Multiculturalism is impossible in a Chinese Citizenism society, where ethnic Chinese blob-up all minorities by force, and wage war against all of their domestic "foreign devils".

Just ask the Tibetans.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Again, the 'american' obsession with bootleggers.

No matter the performances of Chinese in terms of destroying cultures, they are outperformed by 'americans'

'Americans' are way out of the league, once again.

In 236 years, 'americans' have eradicated hundreds of culture and the count keeps building up.

'Americanism' does not aim for diversity, there is no multiculturalism, 'americanism' aims for uniformity.

As a way to put out of this mess, very often, 'americans' come to equate races with cultures.

Most of the times, when 'americans' speak of multiculturalism, they think of multi racialism, or multi ethnicism.

'Americanism' spreading in China will definitively help to solve the tibetan situation, the 'american' way.
Would it be an 'american' nation, this situation would already dealt with.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment akak
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Evasion, Diversion, Projection, and Bigotry --- the four pillars upon which every post of AnAnnoyingAnus is built.

Make me laugh!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment yogibear
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What happens when the Bureaucrats and banksters take over your government and become obvious. The people riot and pick another alternative movement.

Once Wall Street and the banksters hollow-out the US wealth people with the country will do the same. Oust the oligarchy in charge. It will be violent. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment GFKjunior
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Where do I sign up?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment nofluer
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"The people riot and pick another alternative movement."

Correction:

The people riot and die... if they even bother to riot. Why do you think we have an "all professional volunteer army?" Remember the Bonus Army and what MacArthur did with them (per Presidential Orders). I believe the cavalry charge was with sabers drawn? Or am I confusing sabers and tanks again?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment European American
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Sieg Heil!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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Immer Heil!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Whiner
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History does NOT repeat. History does NOT repeat. History does NOT repeat. History does NOT repeat.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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But it does often rhyme.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment nofluer
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"History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes"

Mark Twain

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Diet Coke and F...
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Humanity will engineer its own destruction.

 

The chief source of problems are solutions - Dr. Albert Bartlett.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment adr
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The question is who is Greece going to attack with the German made weapons?

I hear France capitulates if you show up at the border with a butter knife. That Mediterranean coast is wide open.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment nodhannum
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Touché! I surrender mon ami!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Manipulism
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As a german I say they are right.

Why die for this fuckin bankers,politicans and all other power-mad scum.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment mccoyspace
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And 53% think the eurozone has a future and 59% believe that there will not be a collapse of the Euro.

So, yes, they are against austerity, but know that it will effect them personally, but they hope/expect that the larger euro integration project will stay intact.

 

another "20th century schizoid man"

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Hard to blame common people for not realising the currency they use, is connected to the credit situation in their  society and their international competitiveness

And Greeks see themselves as 'Europeans', an identity which they do not believe applies to the enemy they constantly fear, the next-door Turks who used to rule them, who invaded majority-Greek Cyprus a couple decades back, and who out-number Greeks 8-to-1.

The euro and the EU are a symbol to the Greeks that the Turks won't capture them again.

Plus around them, the Greeks see other countries using the euro in the Balkans, countries that are not even in the EU.

Their human instincts may not be fully economically sophisticated ... but they are understandable

 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment zelter
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I have only a few Greek friends, however I have never heard that they view EU as a defensive shield. They just thought true the hype about economic benefits from the 'European common market' and shaking off some of the corruption.

On this note, EU's Frontex just permitted Turkish troops on Greek soil.

http://www.frontex.europa.eu/news/frontex-signs-a-memorandum-of-understanding-with-turkey-iY5Euj

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment scattergun
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Were you thinking of King Crimson and 21st Century Schizoid Man?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment percolator
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Hopefully the next time Barroso, Van Rompuy and Lagarde show up in Greece making demands the Golden Dawn party rounds them up and takes them to a re-education camp!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment gggunchi
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If GD executed the top EU Brass . . . 

 

Would be hilarious.  I'm no fan of the death penalty, but for what these slimy motherfuckers have done to the average working European . . . they are on paar with Hitel and Stalin.  No question.  

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Manipulism
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Hitel?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Dream on percolator - those three will *never* set foot in Greece for the rest of their lifetimes, they ain't that dumb - they send 'technical represenatives'; even if Von Rompey could go disguised as a wet dish rag.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment LULZBank
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OT: And they were expecting China to bailout Europe...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19657940

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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And I hear girls are finding US Navy personnel cuter and cuddlier by the day!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment nofluer
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That has and always will depend on the fX value of the USD... (Been there...)

It was amazing what you could buy with a Zippo lighter in Brazil in 1970! ;-D

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Blazed
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Maybe some of the Greeks don't want to live in a third world cesspool while being ruled over by a tribe of criminal banksters and their tools.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment nofluer
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Sorry. I can't see how "what greeks want" has anything to do with the real world. We are born, and then for a while stuff happens to us, and then we die. Game over. This applies to all - from the richest to the poorest.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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In a place like Greece (and everywhere soon) it's not about high ideals. It's about survival. If someone stands up and says, "I will help you survive and dislodge these parasites sucking the life from you," who the fuck isn't going to support him???

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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Easily solved if only the liars could stop lying.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment RSloane
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If the Greeks are ready to stand and fall by the complete ownership of their own country, with reliance on none and no more hands held out for money, then who cares what anyone else calls the political party that can achieve it? They could go back to their own currency, or any policies they feel are justified even if those policies mean complete failure. It would mean their failure they could fix or not fix, not someone else's they can't fix. You have to stop and wonder, if a large majority of Greeks are against the bailouts then why is the government agreeing to them? Who is that government truly representing? Certainly not the Greek people.

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