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Postcards From A Furious China

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Over the past 48 hours we have written much, describing the perfectly expected surge in nationalist fervor and anti-Japanese sentiment, as the Senkaku Islands Snafu hits its boiling point - a Japan whose GDP is now declining in real terms, whose economy has been crippled by years of deflation, whose infrastructure is impaired due to anti-nuclear power sentiment, and one which generally can not afford an all out diplomatic, political and economic conflict with China, and may thus ask itself: why escalate and just who prompted it do so now? A Japan whose economic status is best summarized with the following chart:

Instead we'll let the pictures do the talking.

From brightonatreddit

Demonstrations in Changsha, Hunan

A store display in Nanjing bears the sign THE DIAOYU ISLANDS BELONG TO CHINA!.

A banner on a store called pattad reads: "pattad firmly defends China's right to the Diaoyu Islands. / We will give a 15% discount to customers who yell THE DIAOYU ISLANDS BELONG TO CHINA! in the store / We will give a 20% discount to customers who yell JAPAN ALSO BELONGS TO CHINA!"

Demonstrations in China

Chinese protestors congregate outside the Japanese embassy in Beijing.

At an auto show, a Chinese brand car is draped in a PRC flag that reads PATRIOTIC SPENDING / BUY CHINESE GOODS.

Chinese flags outside a sushi restaurant.

A sushi restaurant in Suzhou is demolished by protestors.

Rioters in Qingdao demolish shops.

"JAPANESE GUESTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING ACCOMMODATED BY OUR HOTEL"

Rioters smash cars, burn buildings

Rioters smash cars, burn buildings

A man in Xi'an holds a sign that reads CAR SMASHINGS AHEAD, JAPANESE CAR OWNERS SHOULD TURN BACK NOW

Protestors rally outside a Heiwado shop in Changsha, Hunan.

Demonstrations

A pig wears a headband that resembles the Japanese flag

Rioters loot a Rolex store

Demonstrations in this location turn violent

A hair salon named "Korean-style Haircuts" hangs a banner that says JAPANESE AND DOGS NOT ALLOWED INSIDE

Employees at a dealership hold up a sign that says WE WILL KILL EVERY JAPANESE PERSON EVEN IF IT MEANS DEATHS FOR OUR OWN; EVEN POVERTY WILL NOT DETER US FROM RECLAIMING THE DIAOYU ISLANDS

Demonstrators flanked by policemen

Protestors in Chaoshan hold up a sign that says GET OUT OF THE DIAOYU ISLANDS, JAPANESE DOGS

Japanese brand cars are overturned by rioters

A woman tries to stop rioters from demolishing her Japanese brand car

An unidentified building is set on fire

The sign in the foreground reads DEFEND DIAOYU ISLANDS TILL OUR DEATHS and FUCK JAPAN

A private company has rented a bus to drive around town bearing the messages THE DIAOYU ISLANDS BELONG TO CHINA and GET THE FUCK OUT OF DIAOYU, JAPAN

A woman discovers her Japanese brand car has been demolished

A display outside a Uniqlo shop

A Honda owner drove his car to the nearest Honda dealership and set it on fire; banners in the back read DEFEAT THE JAPANESE DEMONS

A Toyota dealership in Shanghai is set on fire

Demonstrators in Chongqing

Demonstrators in Nanjing

The owner of a Japanese vehicle has covered his car in the following messages: BOYCOTT JAPANESE GOODS, WRECK THE JAPANESE ECONOMY / I BOUGHT THIS CAR BEFORE JAPAN FUCKED THINGS UP / FROM NOW ON, I WILL BOYCOTT ALL JAPANESE PRODUCTS

Demonstrations in Yunnan
And since there is still confusion over what all the hoopla is about, here is a map:
areas disputed in China, Japan, and Koreas
 
h/t John Aziz
 

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Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:03 | 2801623 transaccountin
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h.o.l.y s.h.i.t

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:04 | 2801624 Ray1968
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Queue up the honking black swan. Who thought this was coming??

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:10 | 2801631 Michael
Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:14 | 2801672 ArrestBobRubin
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"Dustification" Yeah boy.

And that's just referring to the USD :-)

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:20 | 2801695 Michael
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I don't want to see this super cool fucking thing get blown up in another stupid fucking war.

Those stupid fuckers better work it out peacefully.

Touring the Three Gorges Dam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BlxRBMLpFU&list=LPxwSv6KeIXh0&index=1&feature=plcp

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:34 | 2801765 Ray1968
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Way to threadjack on a completely irrelevant topic.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:37 | 2801771 Michael
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It's a foreign policy statement.

And you were the first comment on it.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:42 | 2801792 nmewn
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Good point, Hitlery was in China just last week...I'm thinkin they better check for nano-thermite around there.

What??? ;-)

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:52 | 2801822 Stackers
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Rut-Ro

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:01 | 2801858 Surly Bear
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My mechanic says Japanese cars are the best...I guess this is one way to get them off the road.

Oh, and spare me your 'Buy American' bullshit.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:06 | 2801874 Manthong
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But just think of all the wear and tear saved on all of those Red Army uniforms hanging in closets.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:37 | 2801958 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The commies are just distracting the sheeple from the ugly reality of the Chinese collapse.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:42 | 2801972 flacon
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Economic stimulation through creative destruction? 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:47 | 2801983 THX 1178
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Schumpeter would be proud.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:38 | 2802094 Rincewind
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Well played China! Now the US would be a bit stretched, if it had to fight in the Persion Gulf, while defending Japan. I'd say the reason for this posturing in China is to prevent the Iranian war Israel is screaming for.

What makes me really sad and angry, is all the sheeple out there being played by a few and demonstrating about a few rocks that could not mean shit to any one of them.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:37 | 2802192 Precious
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Sumbody fergot to tell the Huns that them Rolex aint made in Jipan.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 03:00 | 2802436 Simon Endean
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From the article: "Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war. "

Wow, that reporter was wrong from the first word.  No nation has battleships in service any more.  The US was the last that did, and we decommissioned ours a while back.  Good to see that The Telegraph has experts covering critical stories.

I guess he was looking for the word "warships" based on his later quote:  "The carriers are supported by at least 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships carrying thousand of US Marines and special forces."

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:50 | 2802116 DanDaley
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...a few rocks that coud not mean shit to any one of them.

 

The Chinese and Japanese both play the board game GO, and just like in that game, a small tactical move can have dramatic strategic consequences.  

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:06 | 2802784 Element
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Unfortunately the Han are more reactive and aggressive than Israelis and Arabs combined. We are going to have an interesting few decades here. This burning desire to lay shit on Japan without a thought for the consequences could easily lead to a nuclear-armed Japan.

But from a geographical perspective I don't see how these islands are a part of Japan's Southern Island Chain.  China seems to have the more natural geographical claim to these rocks.  But any aggressive move by China then plays into the desire of a range of Asian countries to have the US deter the use of the PLAN to back Beijing's claims on territories, where it's easily more questionable that China has any place making such claims.

If the US did intervene many Asian states would feel compelled to support US naval action.  And SM3 equipped destroyers (US and Japan have them) are quite capable of defending themselves against anti-ship ballistic missiles BTW.  If it actually came to a fight the aim would be to annihilate the entire Chinese regional expeditionary capability.

Beijing got very pushy like this in late 2008 and 2009.  They tried to under-cut Japan and Korea's export competitiveness, first by trying to buy miners, and also by demanding that Australia sell China iron ore at much lower prices than Japan and Korea were contracted to get in 2009-2010.  

Like that was ever going to happen.  But Rio's Stern Hu was framed for saying no too many times, and is still in a Chinese prison because of it.  Beijing wanted to impair the recoveries of their major export competition in Asia.  That's all it was about.  Trade-war basically.  And Beijing was literally DEMANDING Australia do that ... or else.   

It was incredible, Beijing actually thought Canberra set the prices, but KRud turned around and said to them that in a real market-economy the producer sets the price, so you negotiate with them--period.

These idiots in Beijing literally didn't understand that this is how it works - which was mind-blowing for everyone to realise how unbelievably ignorant and arrogant Beijing was!  

They still didn't get it and imprisoned Stern Hu, so Rio and BHP abandoned contract pricing with China and refused to sell to them at anything but a floating market price, whilst Japan and Korea kept getting the rest of their 2009-2010 contracts at a much lower fixed price!

Unbelievable stupidity!

So Beijing paid way more for iron than Japan and Korea.  lol  But Stern Hu remains in a Chinese prison.

So Beijing will again be looking for ways to screw everyone again and get an economic jump start on Japan and Korea with similar domineering games and demands, or worse.  And without a doubt, the will have calculated a major supplier like Australia can only resist Beijing's demands for as long as the US has strong military presence.  So they are real grumpy the US is moving more of its forces into Asia and basing in Northern Australia.

Hence the recent moves on Sept 6th to undercut the petro-dollar.

It seems to me the proper response to Beijing's demands and arrogance is to say no, and don't give them ANYTHING they want, because once you do, they are arrogant enough to think they can demand anything.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:20 | 2806166 Half_A_Billion_...
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You're a good propaganda machine.  But one nuke from China/Russia with love and the whole 9th fleet is barbeque.  

 

Listen to Ron Paul and GTFO out of this.  Also, tell Japan to take it's economic collapse by itself.  Ponzi's run its course.  

 

Sad but true.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:20 | 2802156 Anusocracy
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Japan is a complete toady of the US. Their Prime Minister doesn't even wipe his ass without US approval.

I think this may be a China-US trade-off. US attacks Iran and China stays mum, and China invades the Senkaku Islands and the US and Japan grumble and do nothing.

The Elites DO NOT want a World War. Their losses would be a million times greater than yours.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:40 | 2806171 Half_A_Billion_...
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you're a dreamer.  China needs that oil.  If there's war on Iran, China and Japan will go to war.  Now who would win that one?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:12 | 2802248 boogerbently
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Rince,

What really makes me sad and angry is that the violent sheeple think it has anything to do with these "islands" in question. They have been lied to by their media, to respond a certain way......hey, wait a minute.

Look at the "rioters" in Greece, Middle East, Asia.....all out of work 20 somethings.

All this religious, territorial, social based violence is actually a response (planned or not) to the global financial situation.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:20 | 2802053 Overfed
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The Chinese have learned well from the West. When yer economy is in the shitter, start a war, and make it someone else's fault!

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:52 | 2802119 DanDaley
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Also reminiscent of Argentina in the Falklands.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:27 | 2802271 prole
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true, but China, unlike Argentina, can bring it.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 02:57 | 2802434 mr_T
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Rare earths biachezzz....

Japan needs China...

Not good for Japan or electronics...

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:37 | 2802090 old naughty
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"Economic stimulation through creative destruction?"

Or, empty on economic stimulation so employ old "stir up sentiments" to direct attention away from domestic scene.

"We still need the nukes, after all !!!"

Nothing creative about that.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 01:13 | 2802333 Peter Pan
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Bastiat's broken window theory is certainly getting a good run judging from the photos.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:15 | 2802038 BigInJapan
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It's indicative of the level of commie infiltration that you got two downvotes for that.

The administrations on both sides of this conflict, remember, are "Socialists".

Read however you want into it but the Noda administration in Japan is on its last legs and the right wing nutbags coming behind it will only make this worse.

We tend to be distracted by the violent nature of Chinese outbursts but the Japanese government is playing the same game here - they're just trying not to look like bad guys in the eyes of the Western media. Once say, Chibi Ishihara gets into power, all bets are off.

Both countries have infrastructure-spent and debt-financed their ways to ruin. Which one falls first, is anyone's guess. My bet is on China as they have a long history of uprisings. The Japanese, well, the Japanese tend not to rise up against anything Japanese - they just tweet and blog a lot.

Japan will use this as a pretext to rejig their constitution, allowing for expiditionary military deployments. They'll throw in a bunch of other rights stripping measures with that, you can bet. No socialist/commie government worth its salt wouldn't. Once, that's done, China and Japan will get all friendly, you can bet, because this is not really what it seems. It could just be step one in the new East Asia Coprosperity Sphere and the coming united Asian currency. Eyes on the money, boys.

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:23 | 2802059 Overfed
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Japanese technological sophistication combined with Chinese numbers could be very formidible.

Time for a preemptive strike. /s

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:28 | 2802175 Whats that smell
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Yes and it seems to be working. Kinda like GWB vs those Iraqi's that did 9/11

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 03:44 | 2802459 rich_wicks
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"The commies are just distracting the sheeple from the ugly reality of the Chinese collapse."

What?  By going to war with Iraq over weapons of mass destruction, going to war in Afghanistan, starting a "humanitarian" war in Libya, claiming that Russia attacked Georgia when Ossetia asked for their help, by not prosecuting any of their financial criminals?

Oh wait, silly me, that's the United States, or what's left of it doing that.

Physician, heal thyself.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 06:39 | 2802531 WeAreJellyfish
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Fuk yes. They are on another tear in housing with 50% of all sales paid in full and the majority of lenders putting up 30% on a down payment.

Shit - thank God that won't happen here - it would ruin everything now that Japan and Greece are the only two who beat our debt to GDP ratio.

Buy that man.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 06:40 | 2802533 WeAreJellyfish
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Fuk yes. They are on another tear in housing with 50% of all sales paid in full and the majority of lenders putting up 30% on a down payment.

Shit - thank God that won't happen here - it would ruin everything now that Japan and Greece are the only two who beat our debt to GDP ratio.

Buy that man.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:11 | 2802815 Ayn NY
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And the fact that their one child policy has led to a population imbalance of 110 men to every 100 women.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:55 | 2802220 dbomb12
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All that destruction for some islands I cant even see on a map??? I guess since manufacturing is down they needed something else to do

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 01:52 | 2802378 Dr. Sandi
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The sad truth is that China has a huge excess of young men who have no jobs. War is always a great way to reduce this segment of the population while offering them jobs for a couple of years.

But of course, it's different this time.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 05:39 | 2802490 CharlieSDT
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Not just no jobs, also no prospects of a wife, thanks to the 1 child policy.  What to do, what to do, with those men...?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 07:43 | 2802583 kridkrid
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About 25 million between the ages of 18 and 32. Think about that for a minute. That's a big number.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 07:43 | 2802584 kridkrid
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About 25 million between the ages of 18 and 32. Think about that for a minute. That's a big number.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 07:43 | 2802585 kridkrid
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About 25 million between the ages of 18 and 32. Think about that for a minute. That's a big number.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2803103 Shitters_Full
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Sorry, wasn't paying attention.  Could you repeat that 3 more times?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 05:50 | 2802495 AmCockerSpaniel
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We better start buying American, or start living and working like a Chinese. But then if one is not going to have kids, then it's all about one's self.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 16:59 | 2808490 mkkby
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Buy American, BUT BOYCOTT bailed out govt motors, Chrysler and all Wall Steet banks.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:06 | 2801872 Colombian Gringo
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First the middle east, now China. Is the world going mad?

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:37 | 2801957 THX 1178
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Big Occupy Wall St. Demonstration tomorrow. I think GETTING mad is more accurate.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:50 | 2801991 chump666
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Go for it.

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:56 | 2802003 nmewn
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lol...up twinkles.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 03:08 | 2802411 Think for yourself
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Last week has been very intense for anyone who follows real news. The muslim world afire, China blinded in its bloodlust for Japan, NATO flying like vultures above Persia, the Epic of Fiat reaching heights unforeseen a year ago. Through all this the mechanicalness of the mob shines its sickly light. An exorcism is needed. Only you can do it.

Spirit of the times

This is the quickening, the singularity,
these are the daydreams of futurology.
But rather than technological
it's experience that went exponential.

Billions of beings, witnessing and expressing,
believe the theater in which they're stuck,
act so loudly they can't hear a thing,
and thus confused run amok.

Worldviews, timelines and narratives,
weighed down by millenia,
crawl out the psyches of collectives,
battle in an abstract arena.

Unwitting hooligans in the world stage,
tricked into conflict by necrophages,
digging their own graves,
caught in a cosmic wave.

Make no mistake, brothers,
this is war between good and evil,
a biblical struggle that spares no quarter,
whose arms and spoils are your wills.

Take back what's yours, make the gesture,
be wise to the rules of the game,
rise above the strife of this plane,
center yourself in your true nature.

While tides of suffering wash ashore,
hold firmly to your precepts,
be a pawn of fortune no more, 
now a Cause rather than the effect.

~ Me, just now

 

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 13:49 | 2804110 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Very well said.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:07 | 2802019 MiltonFriedmans...
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Did OWS wake up to the fact that the Chairsatan just announced another bankster bailout, this time to the tune of 4 trillion dollars? Nahhhhhh.....

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:20 | 2802157 chump666
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Lay off the OWS, I got respect for them, i hope they cause mayhem.  Yes, this time  the Fed will be in their sights.

That lunatic Ben Bernanke should be seen as economic criminal, also I hope the lazy Germans get off their a-holes and remove the ECB from Frankfurt, throw the f*Cking bank over into Italy.  Let'em have hyperinflation.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:47 | 2803871 BooMushroom
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When I hear about the heads of the heads of the FED, maybe.

More likely, they just fuck with some poor retail schmucks, and the bigger brands have to make a call to their insurance agents, and write off the losses on their taxes.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:55 | 2801831 Michael
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People don't realize there's so much cool shit already built in China, enough empty real estate to house the entire population of the USA.

That can all be incinerated with a few nukes very quickly. Nobody wants that.

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:23 | 2802064 old naughty
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Are you saying that nukes go both ways?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 02:54 | 2806183 Half_A_Billion_...
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Michael you stupid fuck the 9th fleet is a genuine military target.  One nuke and it's down.  We're fucked if we go liberate their asses.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:11 | 2801888 krispkritter
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China -----> Japan: Do ru feer rucky punk? Do ru?

Are we next?

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:22 | 2802056 Michael
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Old article but goody.

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 08:06 | 2802624 CheapBastard
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The graph shows Japan's sovereign debt-to-revenue almost 2000% !!

They need to sell a whole lot more of those Japanese robotic sex dolls...they need revenue bad:

http://www.orient-doll.com/gallery/index.html

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:14 | 2801674 Earl of Chiswick
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America pay attention

 the characters on those banners can easily be changed

 

??

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:06 | 2801866 akak
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After looking at these photos of the Chinese riots and protests, has anyone else aside from myself stopped to consider the fact that any similar public protests in the USA today would be almost instantly met by attacks and arrests by militarized thugs and stormtroopers, er, I mean the police?  Apparently, the Chinese public has more rights to publicly protest than Americans.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:12 | 2801891 Manthong
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I felt it appropriate to dupe my post from above..

But just think of all the wear and tear saved on all of those Red Army uniforms hanging in closets.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:44 | 2802206 Precious
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China does not have enough land. They need more than 50 acres from the Japanese archipelago. If China can not get the Senkaku islands, where can they grow all their rice? They need to have the island. China does not have enough land. They need a lot of land to feed the poor. Give up the island to China, please Japan. They really need it. Otherwise, all the people of China might starve to death. China is a poor country and the world's largest population with very small amount of land. They must have every inch of land to make rice. Japan is a rich country. Please give up the island to poor old China.

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:51 | 2802213 Ginsengbull
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In europe they used to call that liebenstraum.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 02:02 | 2802394 Ratscam
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was not Europe rather Germany and it was called Lebensraum.
In translation "space to live" not "dream of love", although i prefer the later.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:43 | 2801974 Vampyroteuthis ...
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akak, these protests are sanctioned by the commies. Don't kid yourself.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:03 | 2802010 geekgrrl
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Given that most protests around the world are routinely met with brutal police tactics, I have to agree. These protests are happening because the Chinese government is permitting them to happen. That, in and of itself demands some consideration. It's almost like the tea baggers and the Coke [sic] brothers.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:11 | 2802029 akak
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These protests are happening because the Chinese government is permitting them to happen.

Although my comment above was made off-the-cuff, forgive me for not having instantly considered this likely hypothesis.

But please allow me to emphasize my main point once again, that for all practical purposes, the right to assemble and peacefully protest, as guaranteed by the US Constitution, is essentially dead.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:37 | 2802091 vast-dom
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let's see what happens tomorrow am when OWS marches on Wall St. How many more arrests?????

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:12 | 2802249 Bananamerican
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arrests?

the tazings and beatings will continue until patriotism improves

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:09 | 2802144 geekgrrl
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I wasn't disagreeing with your main point (which I got) so much as pointing out that the techniques and methods of controlling populations are practiced by many, if not all nation-states.

But cui bono if the Chinese people protest against Japan? This whole thing seems contrived, a distraction.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:44 | 2802207 Anusocracy
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True. Governments are good at manipulating moral instincts.

As for who benefits, the US benefits from attacking Iran while China benefits by retaking their islands.

Win-Win.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 01:54 | 2802384 Dr. Sandi
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It's probably just some kind of inscrutable response to US citizenism.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 15:42 | 2804631 Kobe Beef
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aaaaargh! Not you too, Sandi!

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:30 | 2802075 Overfed
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The protests are being permitted (if not encouraged) because it suits the purposes of the Chinese government.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:44 | 2802096 vast-dom
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the china gov allows for letting off some steam outward at japan vs. inward at inflation and financial fuckery and fake stats. this is best case win win.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:17 | 2802151 Fedophile
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These protests are happening because the Chinese government is permitting them to happen.

Bingo

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:28 | 2802071 aint no fortuna...
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I guess when one has food inflation pissing off the peasants it behooves one to deflect the anger elsewhere - talk about a false flag

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 04:11 | 2802464 JamesBond
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Rioters loot a Rolex store

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well, everybody but that guy.  he's a lone wolf.

 

jb

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:04 | 2803095 zoggl
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Rolex is Swiss. This is the usual "let's demolish everything I have no fucking idea whats going on here".

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 12:55 | 2803897 BooMushroom
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Rolex is EXPENSIVE. Like being able to stuff a car or two in your pocket.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:49 | 2801987 macholatte
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I'd say those are government sanctioned and stimulated protests. Ask yourself why the man on the street gives a shit about those crappy isdlands.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 04:42 | 2802473 JamesBond
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Xinhua said that by the end of June, Japan had invested $83.97 billion in China, putting it at the top of China's list of "most generous overseas investors." (Japan Times)

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They don't care about the islands.  They care about their pesonal lives.  This is all about creating chinese solidarity at a national level leading into the power exchange at the next congress.  

 

jb

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:10 | 2802024 MiltonFriedmans...
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As long as it's a government approved protest.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:18 | 2802049 BigInJapan
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Not really.

They're being allowed to do this because it is cheap and useful propaganda.

The first time anybody says, "Wait a minute, these car dealerships are owned by our fellow Chine(CRACK)...

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:29 | 2802074 Theta_Burn
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Just letting the proles blow off a little steam.

Seems to me the private ownership of these islands was never questioned, then why would the sale of them be?

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:54 | 2802217 Ginsengbull
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I would gladly sell the Brooklyn Bridge to China, Japan, and any private investors, all at the same time.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 01:56 | 2802387 Dr. Sandi
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Don't look now, but they probably already own it, or at least own the mortgage on it.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:40 | 2802098 CH1
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has anyone else aside from myself stopped to consider the fact that any similar public protests in the USA today would be almost instantly met by attacks and arrests by militarized thugs and stormtroopers

Yes we have, and the answer is simple:

The Chinese bosses WANT these protests. They need to direct anger away from themselves (since they know they can't hold their economy together) and toward others.

The same should appear in the US soon enough. It's am old strategy that just keeps on working.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:53 | 2802124 tenpanhandle
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Believe you me, the thugs are there.  They'll beat you if you aren't protesting.  Funny how these spontanious protests are always accompanied by many and large commercially produced banners and signs.  Just like a typical U.S. union gathering (protest).

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:41 | 2802198 Freddie
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Asian style racism.   It is only thousands of years old. 

The CHinese look like Obama/union voters thugs.   What a bunch of shits - smashing up two women's cars, shops, building and factories.  F China.

Yeah it looks like they have more rights to protest but the govt looked the other way and encouraged this.  Poor Japan.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:56 | 2802221 Ginsengbull
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This may be just what Japan needs to get people's minds back on work and defense.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:56 | 2802306 Manthong
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I can’t believe that there are some here who believe the Chinese leadership has gone all liberal Kumbaya flowers in your hair soft and fuzzy tolerant since Tiananmen Square.  

So, allowing this level of disorder and destruction without permission or instruction by the state is on which page of the Chinese Communist Party manual?

These guys are coming out now that we’ve announced we are officially devaluing their reserves and they also see the writing on the wall for their exports all across the broke and decrepit west.

This is something to be very concerned about.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 06:11 | 2802509 JamesBond
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don't pity japan.  they are about to get better teeth.

 

AFP - Scientists in Japan have created a microscopically thin film that can coat individual teeth to prevent decay or to make them appear whiter, the chief researcher said.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:10 | 2802246 Bananamerican
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"Apparently, the Chinese public has more rights to publicly protest than Americans."

yeah, just ask the Tibetans

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:33 | 2802281 prole
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Ummm, he did not say the "Tibetans" have more rights, he said the "Chinese" have more rights than Americans and I tend to believe him, knowing first hand as an American we have lost all our rights.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 05:30 | 2802487 Disenchanted
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Chinese subjects ordered to make violent protests.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:24 | 2801921 CrashisOptimistic
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One thing and one thing only drives this:

Japan's desire to FINALLY have some oil under its territory.

They got nuked twice in 1945 because they had to start war in order to secure an oil supply.  They are taught this in school from a young age --

JAPAN WAS NUKED, TWICE, BECAUSE IT HAS NO OIL.

They will not let oil that they think is theirs be stolen.  Period.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:28 | 2802073 logically possible
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Methinks the U.S. is behind this little land grab.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:07 | 2802141 Arnold Ziffel
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Japan has been a satellite of the U.S. since WWII. But I am not sure if Billary and Fanetta like this Bee in their bonnet when they have their hands full in Sandwichstan.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:31 | 2802165 Mine Is Bigger
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I grew up in Japan.

We were taught the main reason the U.S. had decided to drop the bombs was because Soviet had been advancing from north.

We were told the imprerial government would have fought on otherwise even though they had already been defeated in reality, and half of the country could have ended up being occupied by the communists.  (Soviet did end up taking two islands north of Hokkaido with very little effort.)

By the way, I have never met any Japanese who hold grudge against the atomic bombs.  But I guess it's different when you are supposed to be the one who started a war.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 02:02 | 2802392 HungrySeagull
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No sir.

 

The way we were taught here in the USA about the use of the two bombs... they were to save Lives.

 

Operation Olympic against the Homeland of Japan was slated to begin late 1945. It would have involved one point 45 million in the first wave and about 5 million when it continued.

 

Due to Japan's ability to teach everyone how to fight, the USA made a mountain of Purple Hearts (These are the original medals that are STILL handed out today...)

 

It would have been possible for the war against Japan to go into the early 50's With Losses on both sides on a scale never before imagined.

 

Even today I live 30 minutes between heaven and hell, delivered by missile gauranteed.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:44 | 2802106 JohnKozac
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Wait for the Brits to get involved:

"The British campaign to push the Japanese out of Burma was the longest and bloodiest of World War II. Thousands of miles away from the battles in Western Europe, its soldiers were often known as the Forgotten Army  -  but those who fought in it would never forget."

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1168185/Revealed-The-terrible-su...

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 07:17 | 2802560 Winston Churchill
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Along with  the 'forgotten fleet'.

Three Royal navy carrier groups that was relegated by CINPAC to ground support.

Very dumb move as they had armoured flight decks and literally just swept the

deck after kamikaze attacks.A lot of caualities caused by this in US ships.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 08:09 | 2802631 CheapBastard
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Yes, the Japanese are experts at suicide missions like in Pearl Harbor kamikaze attacks.

 

2000% sovereign debt:revenue !

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:16 | 2801682 JPM Hater001
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In 2008 I went to Bejing before the olympics and our guide told us we didnt really know what happened in Tianemen square.

It wasnt worth my breath to explain to him the truth...

If you have never been to China I have never met a people so breed to be cattle.  They cant think for themselves.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:46 | 2801798 tip e. canoe
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you mean, unlike Americans?   or Russians, Brits, French, Germans, Zionists, Saudis, Venezuleans, Koreans, Iranians, Swedes, Dutch etc, etc, etc for that matter?

propaganda is color-blind amigo.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:08 | 2801879 bigkahuna
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propaganda is color-blind amigo.

 

yes indeed....

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:09 | 2801881 Desert Irish
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You can't pass wind in China without official sanction

3 words and 3 words only...everything else is smoke and mirrors

18th National Congress..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18th_National_Congress_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:15 | 2801895 akak
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You can't pass wind in China without official sanction

Said official sanction being automatically included with your Beijing bus or subway ticket.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:38 | 2802093 Overfed
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People in this country aren't much better at thinking for themselves. Snooki, Honey Boo Boo, NFL, NBA, ASSCAR, Nail Files, American Idle(sic), and so on should offend the sensibilities of us all. But they don't. We gobble that shit up like it was chocolate ice cream. During the primaries, we could have chosen Ron Paul to be the nominee for President, but the huge majority of Americans bought the "he's not 'electable'" or "what has he accomplished during his stint in congress?" bullshit. So now we have the two establishment status-quo candidates, and the great majority actually think there is a difference.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:43 | 2802200 Freddie
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The sheep love being brainwashed 24x7 by TV and Hollywood.  If you watch it - you support it serfs.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 00:36 | 2802285 prole
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Are you aware of what website you are on you dolt?

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 01:59 | 2802391 Dr. Sandi
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Where the hell is the voting box for America's Got Talent? All I see are these ads for selling my gold.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:23 | 2801715 Pure Evil
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Oh please, a coup by the military to overthrow Obama. How ridiculous.

You wouldn't need to declare martial law, the people would be dancing in the streets.

Exactly who would object?

Oh right, the 51+ million idiots that voted for him in 2008 currently living off EBT/SNAP cards.

Oops......My bad.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:27 | 2801729 nmewn
Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:34 | 2801758 Michael
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I don't think anything is off the table at this point.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:45 | 2801806 nmewn
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He gonna pay my mortgage!!!

We are so completely fucking fucked...might as well laugh.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:35 | 2801947 Monedas
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"A picture is worth a thousand words !" .... Niggah, Niggah, Niggah, 997 Mo' Niggahs !

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:29 | 2801737 bank guy in Brussels
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That Daily Paul 'report' of the potential US military coup against Obama, is sourced in a funky website in Ireland published under the name 'Sorcha Faal', and always claiming sources in the Kremlin and Russian intelligence.

Site is always fun to read ... for example, they did the story that Dominique Strauss-Kahn was framed in the affair with the hotel maid, because he had gone into the NY Federal Reserve and found the gold wasn't there ...

That story got popular on ZeroHedge to the point that Tyler denounced the Sorcha Faal website as a hoax-purveyor

But true or not, it's like Jim Willie, damn interesting apocalyptic reading, though much wilder in science-fiction-type directions ... The site does carry some fascinating kernels of truth along with outrageous wild-seeming stuff

Sorcha Faal's articles get copied around the world ... Daily Paul was quoting one of the people who copied it, not Sorcha Faal ... Here is the original piece on the Irish website:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1611.htm

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:48 | 2801985 TerraHertz
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The Sorcha Faal articles are always interesting. For instance the latest, about the assasination of the satellite engineer and his family near the France-Switzerland border:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1612.htm

'Sorcha' comes up with some pretty bizarre interpretations of events, but note that the articles always contain links to mainstream news sources for virtually all of the key details Sorcha weaves together.

As for freedom in China - I was in Beihai in southern China for a few weeks this year. The local government wanted to encourage the use of electric vehicles. So what did they do? They allowed electric vehicles to be driven unregistered. A brilliant move! Over half the road traffic I saw, was people driving electric scooters. Rode on one myself - they are really excellent. Around town they go for about a week on a charge.

Can you imagine any government in the west letting people drive unregistered vehicles of any kind? Here in Oz there's even talk of forcing registration of bicycles, since now there are fairly cheap kits to add electric drive to standard bicycles.

And by 'unregistered', I mean totally uncontrolled. The electric scooters in Beihai don't even have number plates. Gosh, how would Trapwire's tracking of citizen movements via OCR logging of vehicle licence plates at every roadside speed camera work then? Unthinkable!

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:46 | 2802108 goldfish1
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Classic disinfo - smearing Jim Willie with the Sorcha Faal brush.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 02:02 | 2802393 Dr. Sandi
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Some of us happen to really appreciate Jim Willie's work. And even Jim's stuff that I find a little 'out there' seems to get a little more believable with each passing month.

Stop spray painting everything that moves, you'se guys.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:48 | 2801984 LawsofPhysics
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A military coup in the U.S.? Don't get our hopes up.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:18 | 2802048 Stock Tips Inve...
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China and Japan have had problems in the past 2,000 years. Not surprisingly critical economic situations, tensions in the region increase. With China growing at that big, the other countries of the region must have great concerns. Not only economic. Also geopolitical.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:02 | 2802100 vast-dom
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tyler exercise some commie policy not to subvert free speech but to raise up the IQ -- shitcan this imbecile please.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:14 | 2801898 max2205
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Obama said this is photoshopped

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:43 | 2802104 vast-dom
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the ponzi planet is real? sheeple come in all shapes, sizes, colors and ideologies. homo sap worst animal ever.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:25 | 2801926 Taint Boil
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Break out the old "Deer In The Headlight" pic because we never saw THAT coming ..... there's more to this than meets the eye. I just hope that I am vaporized in milliseconds so I never have known what hit me .... cheers.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:55 | 2801999 MillionDollarBogus_
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A few westerners hold up anti-falun gong signs in Tieneman Square and they get quietly arrested.

Nothing is reported.

 These photos are staged..!!!

Completly bogus.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:43 | 2802205 Mark Noonan
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Staged, yes - clearly being allowed by the Chinese authorities in order to divert Chinese attention away from the collapse of the  Chinese economy.  But they aren't bogus - the Chinese do not like the Japanese.  The Japanese, to put it mildly, acted like complete beasts in China from 1937 until 1945 and the Chinese remember.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 02:03 | 2802395 Dr. Sandi
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Give the Chicom gov a break. They don't have Fox news, so they have to do it themselves.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 10:01 | 2803063 Old Poor Richard
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The Chinese authorities who are stirring it up and then allowing it to happen, obviously.  US set ignorant Americans off on dirty ol izlamists the same way.

This is a distraction from the miserable economy, plus it whips up nationalistic support for the government.  They're tearing their own hearts out in hatred over literally nothing.  For all we know, the Japanese claimed the islands at the request of the Chinese government.

 

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:08 | 2801643 a growing concern
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Fuck everyone!

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:24 | 2801720 Pure Evil
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Do you have the stamina for it?

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:45 | 2801804 hedgeless_horseman
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If so, then you may have what it takes to be a central banker.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:27 | 2802172 geekgrrl
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Or a porn star...

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:13 | 2802034 chump666
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lol

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:29 | 2801743 Renewable Life
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All this rioting /protesting shit is being designed to show America and Europe, the gig is up, the mass overwhelming numbers are in their favor and the Chinese military is nothing to sneeze at, so this shit is going to get serious!!!!

7 billion people on Earth and growing every minute, and every single one needs food, energy, shelter, and something to do to keep them busy! America consumes 34% of the worlds resources and we represent 4% of the worlds population, you do the fucking math!!!!

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 20:58 | 2801843 Whatta
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yeah, but their military uses shitty products Made In China....they'd be back to throwing rocks within weeks.

Bullish Kamikazi's bitchez

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:47 | 2801982 MantiXX
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Ah, I think you may be a little mistaken there:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chine...

 

And that was in 2007, follow and come right up in the middle of the us fleet LOL.  Been decades of copying russian/US/everyones specs.  I'd say they've got some REALLY sophisticated stuff by now.

 

Peace out

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:53 | 2801996 LawsofPhysics
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Really? A U.S. Chinese war? Bring it. If any population needs a good culling it is the Chinese and Americans. FYI, if the elite have their way, everyone will work for Chinese wages.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 22:08 | 2802023 Ginsengbull
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Japan has enough nuclear know how to begin fielding nuclear weapons in as little as 1 month. They also can produce drones to combat Chinese planes, unencumbered by the g-force restrictions of manned planes. This might be just what the doctor ordered for the Japanese war machine to reawaken.

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:16 | 2801904 max2205
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Makes Detroit look good

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 23:12 | 2802145 Arnold Ziffel
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Time for some land grabbing:

 

Russia can grab Hokkaido;

Korea would love Kyushu;

China can enjoy Honshu.

Burma, Philippines, and the other WWII victims can split up the remaining islands.

 

Sun, 09/16/2012 - 21:49 | 2801989 A Lunatic
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You didn't fuck that.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 02:05 | 2802396 HungrySeagull
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Go Team.

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