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Presenting The Current MF Global Ratings At Moody's, S&P And Fitch

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Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:14 | 1828561 Mitch Comestein
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You fuckin rule Jone.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:21 | 1828583 camaro68ss
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Bullish if i may say

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:51 | 1828700 DoChenRollingBearing
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Rating Agency DoChenRollingBearing rates Banksters:

Jon Corzine     FF-

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:04 | 1828734 DoChenRollingBearing
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Corzine bankrupts the state of New Jersey.  Corzine bankrupts MF Global by making bad bets on bonds in Europe.  Corzine headed up Goldman Sachs.

I heard that there was a bond placement by MF that the Buyers would not touch if Corzine went to work for the Obama administration.

And he walks away with a $12,000,000 bonus.

Jon Corzine is a leading cadidate for biggest POS on planet Earth.  As dirty as they come.  

I wonder if/when OWS will have anything to say...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:11 | 1828759 CPL
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He and his children are already on the list.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:12 | 1828762 What does it al...
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I can't resist...

Nope, I don't think I am the first one!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:18 | 1828773 devo
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Yep. I lived in NJ under Corzine. There's a reason I moved. (My mother told me they actually tax you to leave the state now).

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:14 | 1828562 Irish66
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Can we get Egan to post here

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:21 | 1828584 He_Who Carried ...
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I want Vito Corleone to post here! *Bang! Bang! ... Bang!*

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:04 | 1828737 TheLooza
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You're bankrupt? Fuck you; pay me.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:16 | 1828565 oceanview76
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Does E-J rate soverign debt?  When can we expect downgrades on Italy & Spain from Moody's et al?  30 days after the G20?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:19 | 1828566 LawsofPhysics
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Rick Santelli went off this morning about the "poor traders" who got locked out.  Play with paper and don't do your homework, expect to get burned.  they better put ZH on their blackberrys.  What's the problem Rick, you were yelling for the "animal spirit" to return months ago, now you don't like it.

Burn it all down and let's find out what the real value of everyone's labor is.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:20 | 1828570 trampstamp
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Have you all noticed that the HFT machines are off today? Practically none are running. WTF? Tyler any idea why?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:21 | 1828586 HelluvaEngineer
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Scheduled demolition in progress?

Robo, check out CMG.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:22 | 1828590 Deadpool
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lots of power out in northeast today.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:31 | 1828622 trampstamp
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Crap.. turns out i had to update HFT to 1.04. All good again.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:09 | 1828750 Manipulism
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Maybe because of zhis MF shit they would go unstoppable crazy.

Better pull the plug.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:17 | 1828571 Archimedes
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Hmmm, amazing the only non-corrupt rating agency gets it right and yet Egan Jones is not considered by markets to be one of the agencies to pay attention to.  I wonder why?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:19 | 1828572 Hansel
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B stands for Bankrupt, apparently.  The corrupt 3 should be shut down yesterday.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:19 | 1828578 Hopium Dealer
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Credit Ratings for Dumbies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:19 | 1828581 maxmad
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Not to worry.... They should be downgrading this morning...


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:16 | 1828768 Harlequin001
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Not necessarily.

they might have a wait and see policy.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:21 | 1828588 Shizzmoney
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The corruption is just so blantant.  It's sickening.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:22 | 1828589 Wolferl
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Deutsche Bank loses 1 Billion in MF Global insolvency.


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:31 | 1828620 Note to self
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HERE we go.  Now its gonna get interesting.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:11 | 1828755 Manipulism
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This is peanuts(Hilmar Kopper)

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 13:27 | 1828947 earleflorida
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tell that to the hungry elephant in the room

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:22 | 1828591 lolmao500
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Those bastards still rate the US AAA...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 13:17 | 1828916 Hippocratic Oaf
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Whoa........whoa.......whoa........ Buffet had us at quadruple-A, WTF?!?!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:25 | 1828597 lizzy36
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Can hardly wait for this to be politicized by Obama and the Fed.

See we let "something" fail. Nevermind that MF GLobal was not IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM systemically important.

That piece of toliet paper AKA franken-dodd will now be pointed to as "awesome" legislation and TBTF is over.

Nevermind that MF global was never TBTF. 

Wait until this afternoon, this is how the story will be spun.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:30 | 1828615 GeneMarchbanks
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'Nevermind that MF GLobal was not IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM systemically important.'

Remains to be seen. I'd like to think 'they' know what they're doing but we're way past that point...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:53 | 1828707 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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The LA Times is saying that Corzine was a "victim" of the EU Crisis. A commenter re-spun it correctly-Corzine was an over leveraged hack who made bad gambling bets and got burned. Fuck MF Global.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:19 | 1828779 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Jon Corzine a victim my ass.  MF Global was apparently a good company until Corzine took over.  Then he makes a bad bet in Europe.  MF goes down, Corzine walks away with a $12,000,000 bonus.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:28 | 1828601 vast-dom
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SP 850 can't arrive fast enough....I mean.....to confirm and align with these here revised ratings........

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:29 | 1828610 Irish66
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Taylor, hasn't Egan downgraded France already

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:29 | 1828611 ItsDanger
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When are pension plans going to demand more use of firms with good records like EJ?  Stop using the other ones until they wake up.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:30 | 1828616 AnAnonymous
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Exactly why the speech about censoring rating agencies from the other day was just an awkward propaganda dance.

T his is how US citizen propagandists enable one another, they try to discredit each other propaganda, trying to sell the idea their propaganda is worth being discredited, is as worthwhile as facts. So the guy threatened to censor the agencies.

Proposition: agencies have to be censored.

Cause: they are telling damaging facts.

Result: credibility of agencies is strengthened.

Consequence: Nations grades are realler than they were before.

But what? Those agencies have zip credibility. They predict the past.

Propagandists enabling each other.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:35 | 1828630 scatterbrains
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What does it imply that the LME is the only one's allowing MF to trade ?


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:35 | 1828634 SDRII
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as part of cnbc public interest will salvage mf and effect a takunder of etrade whereupon it will have amalgamated an epic retailarded platform. one stop shop

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:40 | 1828642 The Deleuzian
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Just a small fish in a small pond...Soon there will only be a dozen or so "big fish" all sucking eachothers tailfins...buyouts, bailouts, bankruptcies...Soon to all be synonyms...

BTW...Bove was just on Bloomberg

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:56 | 1828708 topcallingtroll
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We also have the Paradox of Ratings to go along with Paradox of Thrift.

If all the agencies unanimously say it is going to collapse then it will collapse.

Only a minor player can call the collapse of big institutions. Big players must self police and hold back from all piling on together.

I wonder if the big players like Moody's, S and P get together ahead of time and divvy up the downgrades.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 11:57 | 1828716 wawazat
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What is Egan-Jones current rating on the U.S. Debt?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:06 | 1828742 azusgm
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Gotta see Egan Jones webpage. Almost looks like something from ZH. Pretty hilarious to someone who has been watching the fiasco we call the free market.


They rule.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:07 | 1828743 goldfreak
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it would be nice to know who they are giving the same rating to, it follows that they should be going bankrupt too

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:11 | 1828756 AndrewJackson
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Its interesting. At the cbot, there is no one on the floor with mf. Things are really empty here and trading is pretty much halted for the day.

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