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Presenting NSSM 200: "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth For U.S. Security and Overseas Interests"

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One of the topics touched upon by Eric deCarbonnel in the earlier article discussing the potential, if not necessarily probable absent further validation, implications of the Exchange Stabilization Fund, is that of the nature of AIDS. Which got us thinking. While we won't necessarily go into the implications proposed by none other than Chuck Palahniuk in his book Rant (word search Kissinger, especially what Neddy Nelson has to say on the topic), it made us recall that particular National Security Study Memorandum, aka NSSM 200, better known as "The Kissinger Report" authored on December 10, 1974 and immediately classified under Executive Order 11652 until 1989, titled simply, "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth For U.S. Security and Overseas Interests." What did the report say and why is it relevant, especially in our day and age when so many believe that all important substance - black gold - may have peaked? Well, since it has 123 pages full of very, very curious information as pertains to how US foreign policy is truly styled, we will leave it up to our readers to make their own conclusions, but here are some preliminary observations to help them on their way...

The basic thesis of the memorandum was that population growth in the least developed countries (LDCs) is a concern to U.S. national security, because it would tend to risk civil unrest and political instability in countries that had a high potential for economic development. The policy gives "paramount importance" to population control measures and the promotion of contraception among 13 populous countries, to control rapid population growth which the US deems inimical to the socio-political and economic growth of these countries and to the national interests of the United States, since the "U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad", and these countries can produce destabilizing opposition forces against the United States. It recommends the US leadership to "influence national leaders" and that "improved world-wide support for population-related efforts should be sought through increased emphasis on mass media and other population education and motivation programs by the U.N., USIA, and USAID."

 

Thirteen countries are named in the report as particularly problematic with respect to U.S. security interests: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil. These countries are projected to create 47 percent of all world population growth.

 

The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures. It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures.

Some of the key insights of report are controversial:

"The U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries [see National Commission on Materials Policy, Towards a National Materials Policy: Basic Data and Issues, April 1972]. That fact gives the U.S. enhanced interest in the political, economic, and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population pressures through reduced birth rates can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resource supplies and to the economic interests of the United States. . . . The location of known reserves of higher grade ores of most minerals favors increasing dependence of all industrialized regions on imports from less developed countries. The real problems of mineral supplies lie, not in basic physical sufficiency, but in the politico-economic issues of access, terms for exploration and exploitation, and division of the benefits among producers, consumers, and host country governments" [Chapter III-Minerals and Fuel]. 

 

Whether through government action, labor conflicts, sabotage, or civil disturbance, the smooth flow of needed materials will be jeopardized. Although population pressure is obviously not the only factor involved, these types of frustrations are much less likely under conditions of slow or zero population growth" [Chapter III-Minerals and Fuel].

 

"Populations with a high proportion of growth. The young people, who are in much higher proportions in many LDCs, are likely to be more volatile, unstable, prone to extremes, alienation and violence than an older population. These young people can more readily be persuaded to attack the legal institutions of the government or real property of the ‘establishment,' ‘imperialists,' multinational corporations, or other-often foreign-influences blamed for their troubles" [Chapter V, "Implications of Population Pressures for National Security].

"We must take care that our activities should not give the appearance to the LDCs of an industrialized country policy directed against the LDCs. Caution must be taken that in any approaches in this field we support in the LDCs are ones we can support within this country. "Third World" leaders should be in the forefront and obtain the credit for successful programs. In this context it is important to demonstrate to LDC leaders that such family planning programs have worked and can work within a reasonable period of time." [Chapter I, World Demographic Trends].

The kicker:

The report advises, "In these sensitive relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion."

And much more...

So just what do you call when Dr. Mengele applies the principles of eugenics, only not to his own population, but to everybody else's? We have no idea although it certainly sounds like yet another crack pot, tinfoil conspiracy theory.

For those who enjoy factual historical documents, here are some other of the good Doctor's (Kissinger, not Mengele) observations:

Because of the momentum of population dynamics, reductions in birth rates affect total numbers only slowly. High birth rates in the recent past have resulted in a high proportion the youngest age groups, so that there will continue to be substantial population increases over many years even if a two-child family should become the norm in the future. Policies to reduce fertility will have their main effects on total numbers only after several decades. However, if future numbers are to be kept within reasonable bounds, it is urgent that measures to reduce fertility be started and made effective in the 1970's and 1980's. Moreover, programs started now to reduce birth rates will have short run advantages for developing countries in lowered demands on food, health and educational and other services and in enlarged capacity to contribute to productive investments, thus accelerating development.

 

U.N. estimates use the 3.6 billion population of 1970 as a base (there are nearly 4 billion now) and project from about 6 billion to 8 billion people for the year 2000 with the U.S. medium estimate at 6.4 billion. The U.S. medium projections show a world population of 12 billion by 2075 which implies a five-fold increase in south and southeast Asia and in Latin American and a seven-fold increase in Africa, compared with a doubling in east Asia and a 40% increase in the presently developed countries (see Table I). Most demographers, including the U.N. and the U.S. Population Council, regard the range of 10 to 13 billion as the most likely level for world population stability, even with intensive efforts at fertility control. (These figures assume, that sufficient food could be produced and distributed to avoid limitation through famines.)

 

Growing populations will have a serious impact on the need for food especially in the poorest, fastest growing LDCs. While under normal weather conditions and assuming food production growth in line with recent trends, total world agricultural production could expand faster than population, there will nevertheless be serious problems in food distribution and financing, making shortages, even at today's poor nutrition levels, probable in many of the larger more populous LDC regions. Even today 10 to 20 million people die each year due, directly or indirectly, to malnutrition. Even more serious is the consequence of major crop failures which are likely to occur from time to time.

 

Countries with large population growth cannot afford constantly growing imports, but for them to raise food output steadily by 2 to 4 percent over the next generation or two is a formidable challenge. Capital and foreign exchange requirements for intensive agriculture are heavy, and are aggravated by energy cost increases and fertilizer scarcities and price rises. The institutional, technical, and economic problems of transforming traditional agriculture are also very difficult to overcome.

 

In addition, in some overpopulated regions, rapid population growth presses on a fragile environment in ways that threaten longer-term food production: through cultivation of marginal lands, overgrazing, desertification, deforestation, and soil erosion, with consequent destruction of land and pollution of water, rapid siltation of reservoirs, and impairment of inland and coastal fisheries.

 

Rapid population growth is not in itself a major factor in pressure on depletable resources (fossil fuels and other minerals), since demand for them depends more on levels of industrial output than on numbers of people. On the other hand, the world is increasingly dependent on mineral supplies from developing countries, and if rapid population frustrates their prospects for economic development and social progress, the resulting instability may undermine the conditions for expanded output and sustained flows of such resources.

 

Rapid population growth creates a severe drag on rates of economic development otherwise attainable, sometimes to the point of preventing any increase in per capita incomes. In addition to the overall impact on per capita incomes, rapid population growth seriously affects a vast range of other aspects of the quality of life important to social and economic progress in the LDCs.

 

The universal objective of increasing the world's standard of living dictates that  economic growth outpace population growth. In many high population growth areas of the world, the largest proportion of GNP is consumed, with only a small amount saved. Thus, a small proportion of GNP is available for investment - the "engine" of economic growth. Most experts agree that, with fairly constant costs per acceptor, expenditures on effective family planning services are generally one of the most cost effective investments for an LDC country seeking to improve overall welfare and per capita economic growth. We cannot wait for overall modernization and development to produce lower fertility rates naturally since this will undoubtedly take many decades in most developing countries, during which time rapid population growth will tend to slow development and widen even more the gap between rich and poor.

And why all this is relevant for good ole' humanitarian Uncle Sam:

The political consequences of current population factors in the LDCs - rapid growth, internal migration, high percentages of young people, slow improvement in living standards, urban concentrations, and pressures for foreign migration ?? are damaging to the internal stability and international relations of countries in whose advancement the U.S. is interested, thus creating political or even national security problems for the U.S. In a broader sense, there is a major risk of severe damage to world economic, political, and ecological systems and, as these systems begin to fail, to our humanitarian values.

 

What are the stakes? We do not know whether technological developments will make it possible to feed over 8 much less 12 billion people in the 21st century. We cannot be entirely certain that climatic changes in the coming decade will not create great difficulties in feeding a growing population, especially people in the LDCs who live under increasingly marginal and more vulnerable conditions. There exists at least the possibility that present developments point toward Malthusian conditions for many regions of the world. 

 

But even if survival for these much larger numbers is possible, it will in all likelihood be bare survival, with all efforts going in the good years to provide minimum nutrition and utter dependence in the bad years on emergency rescue efforts from the less populated and richer countries of the world. In the shorter run -- between now and the year 2000 -- the difference between the two courses can be some perceptible material gain in the crowded poor regions, and some improvement in the relative distribution of intra- country per capita income between rich and poor, as against permanent poverty and the widening of income gaps. A much more vigorous effort to slow population growth can also mean a very great difference between enormous tragedies of malnutrition and starvation as against only serious chronic conditions.

And it gets even better:

There is an alternative view which holds that a growing number of experts believe that the population situation is already more serious and less amenable to solution through voluntary measures than is generally accepted. It holds that, to prevent even more widespread food shortage and other demographic catastrophes than are generally anticipated, even stronger measures are required and some fundamental, very difficult moral issues need to be addressed.

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Full memorandum (link):

 

 

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Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:20 | 2025670 Tedster
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In Ranger school candidates got 1 (one) per day. They would eat everything - including the salt and sugar packets, coffee creamer.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:39 | 2025512 Encroaching Darkness
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MRE's are the military solution to a supply problem. If you don't have military logistical constraints, you probably don't really want them (limited variety, etc.) A few might be a last-ditch help; you can get them, Mountain House dehydrated, various others if you look around. To get started, try:

(A) Emergency Essentials.com (you do have first aid supplies, right?)

(B) TheReadyStore.com

(C) Provident Pantry, DailyBread, EFoods, or similar.

Good to see someone thinking about what's coming. Also, consider what AC Doctor said, about packing your own; Ferfal's blog, about what happened in Argentina when the banksters took over; and any resources like NRA, OathKeepers and so forth for if it gets really ugly.

Good luck!

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:30 | 2025600 JohnG
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Find a Mormon.  Really.  Can buy foods an canning supplies at cost, and they will help you if your just nice.

 

And I am not a Mormon.  I have a friend named Stewart (who is breeding a basketball team), very nice guy, and it's the way to go for real storage.

 

And get yourself strong, learn to grow your own.  Chickens are easy.  Smokehouse and some hogs and your set.

 

Good old country life, it's just that simple.  With modern weapons.

 

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:50 | 2026023 Cathartes Aura
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if you do go looking for a Mormon, and visit their bishop's storehouse, don't leave a trail - they're already sniffing for trrrrrrsts and looking for names of those who purchased - "more than 7 days food" might make you a target. . .

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:43 | 2026266 flattrader
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Ready Store is good.

I've got both #10 cans of the good stuff and MREs if I need to go mobile or thing get really bad.

Don't assume for one minute that you'll be able to leisurely prepare tasty meals (simply boil water) from your #10 cans.

The ability to grab and go may be what saves you.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:59 | 2025527 Janice
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Try this web-site.

http://www.shtfplan.com/

Most likely, you can buy MRE's at Amazon.

I've bought from here before...http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/

Recently, I've been checking this place out...http://honeyvillegrain.com/ But, no purchase yet.

MRE's are ok, but they get tiring after a few years and the shelf life is 7 years. You can purchase freeze dried can goods with a longer shelf life. Also, never underestimate the wonders of spam. If you buy the "ham" MRE, it tastes like spam. Spam is cheaper, but with a 3 year shelf life.
Also, the "frankfurter" MRE tastes just like Vienna sausage. It just depends on what time period/disaster you are prepping for. My local army
surplus place used to sell MRE's, so you may want to check locally also.

Oh hey! I didn't realize who it was until after I commented. Happy New Year!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:23 | 2025586 Big Corked Boots
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In addition to your links I can personally reccommend:

http://www.harmonyhousefoods.com/

http://wisefoodstorage.com/

Harmony runs specials so if you feel you can wait, paitence will pay off. Wise has tasty products (better than MRE's, but not gourmet by any measure) and it will last a decade or more.

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:06 | 2025556 ZeroPoint
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MREs are very unhealthy. I would not eat them with any regularity.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:28 | 2025604 Tedster
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eBay is the best place for MRE.

Shipping is what costs so sharpen your pencil and figure your cost per meal. They come 12 meals to a case. Approx. 1400 calories per.

Variety is excellent, because menus come and go, and various meal components as well. They are a complete meal. They are a bit bulky and heavy compared to Mountain House or other freeze dried meals, but far cheaper. If you don't store them in the trunk of your car they last for decades NO PROBLEM. They are similar to canned goods in this respect. Freezing temps are an issue if the cases are rough handled as well. Freeze-dried foods do not tolerate high temps very well either. These are issues of palatability, not safety.

The problem with FD food, is the cost per calorie. Fats don't tolerate the freeze dry process very well so the manufacturers start with low-fat recipes.
Any of them will be improved with the addition of butter, spices, veggies, etc.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:39 | 2025609 A Lunatic
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Stay away from MRE's. They're expensive and they are not meant to live off of. A very good resource for all of your informational needs is SurvivalBlog.com 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:10 | 2025653 Tedster
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I haven't ever paid more than $5.85 per meal including shipping. Right now have about 30 cases, in addition to staples, canned goods as well as freeze-dried.

That's not bad, considering a MRE include the entree, side dish, a dessert, snacks, candy, coffee, etc. Price these items separately and the cost looks pretty good. WAY cheaper than freeze-dried. As far as the "not meant to live off of" that's pretty much true of all processed food, but that's not news. There's nothing that says they must be eaten exclusively to all else.

Many peoples aversion stems from memories of the initial issue menu of the 1980s - some were fairly gnarly and left the old vets pining for C-rats.
Recent menus in the last 20 years have improved quite a bit, at least in variety and include 24 different meals.

For all that, canned items represent the best value per dollar for non-perishable items. Unfortunately, Hormel changed their Chili recipe around 1997 - it's OK, but nothing like it was.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:52 | 2025923 RockyRacoon
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Gravy.  That's the key.   Makes a cardboard box palatable.   Buy a couple of the boxes of powdered brown gravy mix at Sam's and stow it away with your sealed meals.   Ah, gravy!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:21 | 2026456 wisefool
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My trick is to also buy the gravy in a 12 oz jars when they are on sale. once you get an empty you can apply "infinite divisibility" for the non-powered fat within. Just adding the gravy mix you mentioned, some water, and scraps. pop in the microwave and get through another session of frozen/canned/dried veggies, rice, beans and potatoes.

Not looking forward to the "change over" to rendered pet food cooking over a fire. But somebody has to pay off the 15 Trillion dollar debt. I should not assume I deserve a better life than the typical NOVA denziens' purse chiuaua.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:11 | 2025656 hairball48
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Honeyville is where I buy a lot of my stuff.

http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/

Much of it will last 10-15 years if left in original container and stored in a "cool dry place". Good stuff imo I've been drinking their milk a long time. Way cheaper than fresh milk. The eggs aren't bad either. They have all the basic food types you'll need for survival.

Milk and dairy examples

http://store.honeyvillegrain.com/driedmilkandeggs.aspx

And the prices are FAR cheaper than Mountain House. Check the site out and do the math if you don't believe it

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:43 | 2026081 Strom
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I like shelfrelinace.com

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:48 | 2026083 Strom
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:31 | 2026612 krispkritter
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http://www.mre-meals.net/  $66 per dozen and ship free. Good quality and taste but as most posters said 'You don't want to live off them...'  Great for BOB's, rough camping, and emergencies...

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:30 | 2025495 SAT 800
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Ah yes, "the lone madman". My favorite quote from someone who knows; "there is no lone madman"; "they always send a team". Ding.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:07 | 2025337 uno
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and yet we continue to lecture everyone in the world about human rights

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:08 | 2025341 Rynak
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The right thing, for all the wrong reasons, with all the wrong means.... it appears the US really is the master in turning everything to crap. Fuck, as the article implies so clearly, it can even lead to the opposite reaction, just because of some elitist assholes being an ass.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:15 | 2025356 smlbizman
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is there more to the fires in cali. than a single very busy arsonist??....

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:24 | 2025377 Rynak
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*shrugs*

As i see it:

- worldwide overpopulation is a problem, but globally, rather than this egocentric US view

- historically, birth-rates have been the lowest in countries that not just have access to contraception, but more importantly where people aren't struggling to survive, and where they have more to do with their life, than work, eat, fuck, sleep. In times and countries where that scenario was even halfway the case, birthrates have been below a ratio of 2, without any invasive and heavyhanded means. BUT, those are conditions, which precisely go totally against the economic situation and wealth distribution, that the elite wants.

Bottom line: The f****** kleptocrats are concerned about overpopulation and overconsumption of ressources? How about you take look at what you're doing in a mirror.... you may find the primary answer right in your fucking face.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:55 | 2025421 bank guy in Brussels
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Some unpopular thoughts on over-population, from 'The African Population Disaster' by Canadian journalist (Mr) Gwynne Dyer:

« ... much tutting and shaking of heads over its prediction that we will be ten billion by the end of the century. But almost nobody will have the temerity to point out that this is almost entirely an African problem ...

« The United Nations Population Fund’s own numbers tell the story. Africa currently has one-seventh of the world’s people: just over one billion. But during the rest of the century, the UN agency predicts, this single continent will add an extra 2.6 billion people, more than tripling in population, while all the rest of the world adds just half a billion. ...

« If it weren’t for the African population boom, the world’s population would never exceed 7.5 billion. »

http://gwynnedyer.com/2011/the-african-population-disaster/

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:33 | 2025499 SAT 800
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I was hoping aids was going to take care of this for us; but it's really letting us down. And now we've got Bill Gates playing God and trying to cure Malaria; what an idiotic meddling dork.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:59 | 2025637 SnobGobbler
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injections by gunpoint. gates is a real humanitarian

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:23 | 2025680 trav7777
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it'll just mean more malnourished african children with flies buzzing around their heads.

Look; these famines are perpetual...and rather than force population control as a function of do it or we won't feed YOUR kids, the idiot west commits suicide.  Good luck in a world with African invention and control.  It'll be awesome, like Detroit or Haiti.

Haiti is what a REAL "demographics timebomb" looks like.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:49 | 2025835 bob_dabolina
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Dude, you will love this documentary

Tribal Wives:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/tribal-wives/

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:19 | 2025875 trav7777
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"where are the shoe stores?"

Synopsize, I ain't watchin 2.5 hrs of this crap

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:16 | 2026068 SAT 800
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Check out the 15 thumbs down above; you're right; no one can think. All they can do is emote.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:59 | 2026028 Cathartes Aura
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Gates is funding stealth vaccines, to be sprayed over a population, and activated by the sweat glands. . .

of course, the technology can be used for many different applications. . .

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-05/newest-gates-foundation...

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:36 | 2025505 SAT 800
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Cut off the UN Food Shipments and send machetes instead.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:47 | 2025627 Rynak
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Congratz, you have just added advocation of genocide to your glorious list of achievements, mr a hundred accounts aka williamthebastard.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:21 | 2025673 trav7777
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the reason africa's population has boomed is because the west keeps feeding their offspring that they will not feed themselves.  We send over tons of food and medicine.  It's like feeding stray cats; they reproduce at higher rates.

Eventually, the math will be brutal.  Mother nature ALWAYS bats last.

Of course it is unpopular to suggest we should encourage the tripling of a race that has never produced a single significant invention of any kind and only subsists on charitable food aid.  Oh wait, I think RP might have said that once and so I'll just unsay it.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:43 | 2025704 Rynak
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If you would have kept it at ressource economics, instead of failing to resist your urge to drive off into racism (which actually instead is a cultural-economic issue), you'd have had a point. Perhaps an unpopular one, and perhaps a quite incomplete one - but you would have brought up a valid aspect.

...would...

P.S.: And that difference, with quite high probability i suspect, is that between your above two posts, and your implied statement of RP. Prove me wrong though if you can, by quoting him, without removing significant context of the quote.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:48 | 2025727 trav7777
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cite the part of my comment that was racist.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:01 | 2025748 Rynak
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Of course it is unpopular to suggest we should encourage the tripling of a race that has never produced a single significant invention of any kind and only subsists on charitable food aid.

There you go. That above paragraph is clearly implying that mere association with a RACE, implies intellectual incompetence.

And before you retort with statistics: Those statistics are specific to a population, living in a certain culture, environment and having certain ressources available. For you to prove that it is specific to the race, rather than the circumstances that races lives in, you have to isolate the race from the rest.

And something else - something about the context of your original post.... what does intellectual competence, regarding technological innovation, have to do with sending aid or not? Shouldn't even in the most egocentric POV the criterion simply be, the loss/gain ratio in the short-term of sending aid vs. not sending aid? In other words - and here we go full circle - shouldn't even for an egocentrist the main criterion be overall economics, rather than specific features?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:31 | 2025890 trav7777
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nothing I said was contrafactual.

Facts cannot be racist.

As far as implying intellectual incompetence, I'll let that thing called the FACTS speak for me.

The race hasn't ever produced a significant invention of ANY KIND.

It's funny how you idiots claim we are PLUNDERING the 3rd world for its resource riches then in the same breath say that they don't have the fucking wheel because they lack...resources.  Yeah, you got it.

As for race versus race, your knowledge of the studies on this issue appears to be sorely lacking.  For example, there are a variety of longitudinal studies of IQ versus race.  One of these plots people who BELIEVE themselves to be single-racial and their average IQ (in an environment that was single race, i.e., they thought they had same-race parents but did not) tracks an average of...surprise...halfway between the averages of the races their actual biology is.  Likewise, there are studies of those who BELIEVED themselves to be biracial but really weren't but were raised as if they were biracial (mistake or lie, who cares) and their average IQ tracks to the average of their actual biology.

In other words, it really doesn't matter what the fuck you believe or who raises you- BIOLOGY matters.  Identical twins separated, adopted kids, confused-race kids...it's all the same.  Heredity dictates; nurture doesn't.

What technical competence has to do with aid is a decision that must be made in a climate of scarcity.  For example if there's only enough food for all but one of us in an apocalypse cave, you are going hungry simply because you are too stupid to be of any value to the collective.  I, while abrasive, am actually useful and intelligent.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:26 | 2025912 Rynak
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Summary of your post:

You are simply declaring your claims as facts, without providing...... anything. And also, your statements are true, because they are..... um, facts, based on no logicially CONTIGUOUS line or reasoning at all

Oh, and also.... your statments have not a single time satisfied my simple requirement: That you base racial statements, on racial data that has been isolated from other aspects.

So really, you've got nothing but rethorics. But hey, what would i have expected from someone who regularily has posted racist posts, without ever having backed them up with sound data, that doesn't merely rely on "relation implies causation"?

Boring, next hollow blowhard, please.

P.S.: The most funny thing is, that besides of a small amount of 1st hand and 2nd hand experiences, if you could actually come up with "clean data", i would have almost nothing to argue against it. And that is because for now THERE ARE NO CLEAN TESTING ENVIRONMENTS, and even if they were, most of them in turn would be so detached from reality, that they're practically irrelevant. The actual problem is less, if stuff mainly is cultural, or is biological, but that the world we live in, makes it is nearly impossible to distinguish one from the other!!! And this isn't even taking into account PHYSICAL AND MENTAL interaction in a single life.

Anyone without some really revolutionary and groundbreaking approach, that no one including me thought of, simply is incapable of clearly distinguishing DNA from "life experience".... except of for very obvious cases, which unfortunatelly also tend to be rare and thus non-representative cases of a species.

TL:DR? For now, no one really can know. We have examples of beings apparently not able to overcome their early visible biases, and we have examples of beings completely changing themselves just by experience and "decision".... so the furthest claim i would dare to make, is that both can matter.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:27 | 2026072 SAT 800
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You're wrong; totally and completely and hopelessly wrong. this is a subject that has been studied. You are not the world;s reference point on this question. Study the book the Bell Shaped Curve carefully; you'll be a lot less in love with sound of your own voice when you finish. You've been told all your life that IQ is not genetic, that it's highly malleable by environment, that "it doesn't matter"; these are arguments of desperation by professional liberals who can't bear to admit the truth. African Americans test out at 90 on all sorts of tests; some of which are completely non-verbal; and completely unknown to you, who are just another perfect product of the brainwashing factory. In Africa itself they test out at 75. Moron level. Everyone who ever worked there knows this. It's 100% genetic and it's life long. If you don't understand what IQ is, ask someone who has one, maybe they'll explain it to you.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 22:48 | 2027541 Rynak
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Even though there isn't really much point in argueing with someone who is a gov/bankster employee, with the mission of trolling blogs, and which has just recently gone as low as advocating genocide..... i'll waste 5mins to undermine your argument (and that of an entire book) with just one paragraph.

Your argument, as well as the racial argument of the book you cited, is completely based on the concept of "IQ". However, IQ-tests, do test a very narrow aspect of mental skills (no point in explaining this further here - the "completeness" of the IQ-concept, has been criticized thousandfold - just google, if you're blissfully ignorant). More importantly however: The stats in the book have not isolated cultural and economic aspects AT ALL! All they did use, is a bunch of IQ-tests and related tests, on a LIVE population. Thus, even your appeal to authority, based on a best-selling book, fails to satisfy my simple requirement, that if you claim something is based on race, you gotta exclude other factors.

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(On the topic of IQ tests: I get to hear a lot from other people, that they consider me unusually intelligent, and that they wonder why i'm doing such a simple job, that i'm doing, instead of working inside the "intellectual elite". The truth is, that i would perform mediocre in an IQ test, and perform horrible inside the "intellectual elite". And that has to do with the very specific requirements of IQ-tests and the intellectual elite. IQ tests for example mainly rely on memorizing a lot of data, and computing highly abstract things very quickly. In other words: They test how good a computer/robot one is.... memory capacity and megahertz. Things which they don't test much: Understanding, improvisation, imagination, empathy, pattern-matching (heuristics), tactics and "uncommon sense" - so, it precisely does not test exactly the things, for which some people admire me... and by pure coincidence, it's exactly the things that are outrightly UNDESIRED in western culture and inside the "intellectual elite". Oh, i don't know.... could it be that IQ is..... culturally biased??? LOL?)

And anyways, if i were to run your and travs arguments ad adsurdum, i could look at changing behaviours and skills of a single race, across 100 years... and then claim that DNA rapidly mutated at ridiculous speeds, and that in turn explains the changing overall skills of a cultu... err, i mean race. Hey, how about i invent a test, that is geared for testing the ability of developing industry.... i look at current nations, and notice that some of them have better developed industry.... oh, i know, must be biological, and have nothing to do with anything else?

Biological aspects - both inherited as well as accumulated in a single life - are important. But from any halfway sound evidence, it is not so much important for all the stuff, about which mankind is sooooo proud of... instead, it is important because all those awesome mental skills, still are built on top of biological capacities and capabilities: You may have the most awesome environment, and be willing to make the most awesome decisions..... but if your body handicaps you, it ain't gonna happen.

And an aspect that is awesomely ignored in everything but cross-field sciences: BIOLOGY ISN'T STATIC from birth onwards! It up to some constraints adapts and improves or declines, based on how one lives one's own life. Thus, to anyone hoping that he can create some predeterministic god called biology, that totally pre-determines one's own life from birth onwards.... sorry, not even DNA can do that for you. The DNA defines the initial setup and limits to adaption... but not even DNA define a static predetermined life, modelled like a..... mathematical point.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 22:48 | 2027582 trav7777
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it's good that you are such an expert on any type of studying that might cross these racial boundaries you claim are imaginary.  You should take that up with the scientists who make such studies their livelihood.

You just deny "clean testing environments," as if that fucking means anything.  The problem here is that you are insufficiently intelligent to understand how these environments COULD be clean or controlled.

It IS possible to distinguish culture from heredity; in fact there are manifold ways to do so.  In the absence of your capacity to understand how, you will merely stick your head in the sand and chant.

BTW, it is enough that I make a claim; I do not lie.  I state facts.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:32 | 2025811 centerline
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Unfortunately the truth is that the moment the world financial system hits the skids full on, the resources shipped to impoverished nations will collapse.  The math will be brutal for sure.

The real scary part is that if that if supply lines shut down for any length of time here in the US, some cities may not do much better.  Only the math asserting itself via different mechanisms - think post-Katrina New Orleans on steriods.  

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:17 | 2025872 Rynak
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Turns out, that "having a buffer for more than 4 days"-post, about 2 days ago from me, did have come point.

Sure, a total lack of food for more than 6 months, is kinda unrealistic, if only for political reasons (there won't be any gov anymore 2 months in, if total stoppage of food would happen).... but being totally vulnerable to as little as 1 week of food outage seems kinda.... desperately dependent.

Unfortunatelly, for the majority of people in the west, about 1-2 weeks of food-outage actually is all they can handle. From then onwards, it's starvation for them.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:32 | 2025895 trav7777
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Katrina wasn't due to shortages, it was due to a different factor

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:00 | 2026294 centerline
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Agreed. However, if you really want chaos, kill the supply lines. That is, a financial collapse will make Katrina look like a picnic. At least with all that water the folks cant burn down the place! (sorry for the bad humor - but unfortunately it is the truth).

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:30 | 2026073 SAT 800
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IT HAS TO BE BRUTAL. Wake Up! WAke UP!. Overbreeding is corrected by the die off. Period. there's no nicey nicey way it's gonna get done.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:57 | 2025741 Gully Foyle
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bank guy in Brussels

Once again population is estimated to peak at 9.2 billion in 2050 and start declining from there. The REAL issue is aging populations worldwide.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98371&page=1

Despite a growth burst that more than doubled the global human population over the past 50 years, a study released today predicts it will peak at 9 billion by the year 2070 and then begin to decline.

"People thought for many years that we would breed ourselves out of existence," says Warren Sanderson, a professor of economics and history at State University of New York at Stonybrook and co-author of the study appearing in this week's Nature. "They thought we'd produce so many children, there would be no standing room left on the planet. But now it seems our population will peak.

"And that's an optimistic message."

The study is the first to pinpoint an end to the burgeoning population. The scientists estimate there is an 85 percent chance the species will taper to about 8.4 billion by the year 2100. The current world population is counted at 6.1 billion.

Previous demographic studies by the United Nations had projected higher populations of 9.32 billion by the year 2050, with no decline in growth. Part of the reason for the different predictions is the new study anticipates the number of children born per woman will go down.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:04 | 2025994 mjk0259
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Amazing considering that most of them have AIDS. What kind of life is it to be dying of AIDS and also starving most of the time....

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:51 | 2025534 earleflorida
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you forgot to mention shit,... dumb ass

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:46 | 2025523 Socratic Dog
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I don't know whether I'm a clueless cunt, or just an ignorant prick, but....this sounds like common sense to me.  Our interests?  Well, that's why we have a government isn't it.  Seems to me that a visceral hatred for the messenger is leading to automatic dismissal of the message.

Me, I'm glad that at least one of these fuckwits running things is able to think a few things through to their logical conclusions.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:12 | 2025561 earleflorida
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what happened to "Darwin" ? --- afterall, it's all about natural selection,... isn't it?

playing "GOD", has a horrific history of "Nature's Wrath" - sometimes equated to a fingerprint of the devine master's eternal intervention,... ironically called "Divine"? but,... the elitist 21st century folks are above that logic with their i-pad/i-phones and things?

were such a primitive species, that it sends a chill down my spine, given that the universe is ~14.5bn years young and our glorious civilization is approaching 6-8 millennium of societal genocide and counting! Pathetic,  are we as a race!

happy new year preventive-genocide? *[just not in my backyard, eh]

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:43 | 2025906 Seer
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"but,... the elitist 21st century folks are above that logic with their i-pad/i-phones and things?"

I'm thinking that the PLAN is in there somewhere... humans w/o the use of their thumbs aren't going to be all that prolific/productive (not saying that all the iCrap drones are wise).

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:19 | 2025577 Rynak
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The premise of your argument, of which you are unaware is, that egocentric decisions, that completely lack any respect for those you're interacting with.... is benefical to the nation.

Which is just as smallminded and shortsighted as extroversion and altruism - just in the opposite kind of way. Universal dichotomy and stuff.

And it is especially hypocritical, when the policies of the own government, were those that helped to create the problem in the first place, and that gov now attempting compensation of the defects it created, rather than fixing their policies.

Nope, they're not acting according to what is benefical to the nation. Nope, they're not acting "reasonable" or "logical". They're just acting like introverted assholes in denial-mode. And they don't fucking care neither about your nation, nor other nations.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:26 | 2025592 Errol
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Dog, I agree.  It's interesting to note that in 1974 TPTB were already aware that energy constraints and climate change might well reduce future food production.  His mention of Malthus indicates that they understood that the discovery of oil only delayed Malthus's conclusion.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:15 | 2025351 Dane Bramage
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"Culture of Death."  :(  Everything is limited/shoratge/competitive to these evil folks.   These are likely the same folks supressing any technology that would free/decentralize energy, beneficial agricultural products (e.g. hemp), etc., etc.,.  These are the people we need to leave in the dustbin of history.  Those one's unable to imagine that the technological progress we've made thus far  just might continue.  Look at the technological progress since the industrial revolution.  Now imagine where we might be in 1000 years.  The Kissengers of the world would rather commit the human race to ruin than have to compete fairly.  

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:38 | 2025611 Errol
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Dane, the "technological progress since the industrial revolution" was based on the exploitation of resources that Kissinger is referring to!  We have run through millions of years' worth of stored solar energy, in the form of coal, oil, and natural gas.  When it's pretty much used up, industrial civilization goes *poof!*

Even 1850's level of technology in the US wasn't sustainable; we cut down centuries of forest growth to smelt steel, burn in steam engines, and to burn just to recover the potash for fertilizer (look it up!).  Americans ate billions of Passenger Pigeons and millions of bison, and mined thousand's of years' accumulations of guano for nitrogen fertilizer (look it up!).

Without fossil fuels and the system to exploit them, the sustainable human population of the Earth is probably less than 500 million.  Prepare yourself and your family for a population reduction of Biblical proportions.  Kissinger was just seeking to make the US arrive late to that party...

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:25 | 2025681 Dane Bramage
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We have run through millions of years' worth of stored solar energy, in the form of coal, oil, and natural gas.  When it's pretty much used up, industrial civilization goes *poof!*

How many slaves, beasts of burden before that?  People used to drink from lead cups once as well.  Do you truly think we've reached the pinnacle of civilization?   You think it impossible for our species to adapt and find other sources of power (or make those already known magnitudes of order more efficient) even when it truly is a necessity (& not just conjecture)?    Wow - I'm not usually the opitimist in these discussions.   

Apparently your omnipotence and Kissenger can not only ordain the future, but accurately predict precisely how many humans the "system" can support.   When your system is failing that badly, I suspect you might find it is what dies and life simply overgrows it.   How might that world then look and how many might die?  First, no one can honestly accurately say and, lastly, people always die.  I would bet probably a lot less than the culture of death would cause, based on their past and present track-record.  (e.g. http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo114.html )

Don't be afraid of the future.  

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:50 | 2025730 trav7777
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ah, techno cornucopian magical thinking...love it.

Fuck the earth, let's just fuckin destroy it.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:38 | 2026078 SAT 800
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Oh, come on let's use up all the avaiable resources to feed IQ75 Africans; and when we make ourselves redundant; God will reward us.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:49 | 2025915 Seer
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"Don't be afraid of the future. "

More importantly, don't be fucking stupid!

Anyone who isn't concerned should look to identify with that more important attribute.

Fucking hubris... entropy laughs at the unicorn fans.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:39 | 2026080 SAT 800
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I'm not afraid of the future, but all the people having big families that the UN gets to feed better be damn fearful of the future.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:47 | 2026891 Socratic Dog
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Thanks for stating the apparently obvious Errol.  How are so many commentators on this article unable to see it?

Magical thinking is alive and well on Zero Hedge, of all places.  What hope is there?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:15 | 2025357 bugs_
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Too bad we didn't engage in debt control with the same fanaticism we engaged in birth control.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:16 | 2025359 Ratscam
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georgia guide stones - damn it's real!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:58 | 2025423 bank guy in Brussels
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As the Georgia Guide Stones say:

"Leave room for nature ... Leave room for nature ..."

Amen.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:32 | 2025602 Big Corked Boots
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Has anyone noticed that hard core advocates of population control never implement any of their own plans?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:40 | 2026638 wisefool
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what I have noticed is that the plans backfire and only work on themselves. "If you want to make the devil laugh, tell him your plan"

Specifically, it is the western, judeo christian populations that are not meeting replacement rate. The other folks are doing just fine and eating popcorn, after they get done landscaping our estates and cleaning our toliets for tax free cash + welfare entitlements.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:03 | 2026913 Socratic Dog
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Very astute comment Fool.  This has been a long-standing theme of Spengler, writing on the Asia Times website.  The deathwish of western civilization.  It's well worth taking a look.

When you don't reproduce to replacement rate, as a culture, tribe, or any other group, then you die.  At your own hand, in this case.

If you don't reproduce as an individual, then your genes die.

Having babies is about supporting the life force.  Darwin explained it very clearly, those who use "darwinian" as a slur are fools.

The embrace of abortion is about as suicidally stupid as it's possible for an individual human, or a culture, to be.

Ask your gardener.  He probably understands it better than you do.

Disclosure: 5 siblings, wife has 11, we have 3 kids, having trouble making ends meet, but more kids to come, hopefully many.  We are survivors.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:04 | 2025757 Gully Foyle
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bank guy in Brussels

George Carlin - Saving the Planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw


CARLIN: Let me tell you about endangered species, all right? Saving
endangered species is just one more arrogant attempt by humans to control
nature. It's arrogant meddling. It's what got us in trouble in the first
place. Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with nature. Over
90%, way over 90% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet,
ever lived, are gone. They're extinct. We didn't kill them all. They
just disappeared. That's what nature does. We're so self-important, so
self-important. Everybody is going to save something now. Save the
trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails. And the
greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What?

I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white
bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is
there aren't enough bicycle paths, people trying to make the world safe
for their Volvos. There is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong
with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are (bleep) --
difference, difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the
planet is doing great. It's been here four and a half billion years. Did
you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a
half billion years. We've only been engaged in heavy industry for a
little more than 200 years.

Two hundred years versus four and a half billion, and we have the
conceit to think that somehow we're a threat, that somehow we're going to
put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just
a-floatin' around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than
us, been through all kinds of things worse than us, been through
earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares,
sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of
thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors,
worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays,
recurring ice ages, and we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans
are going to make a difference? The planet isn't going anywhere. We are!
We're going away.

...

“We’re so self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.” And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I’m tired of this shit. I’m tired of f-ing Earth Day. I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!

We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam … The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?”

Plastic…asshole.”
? George Carlin

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:35 | 2025815 centerline
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Carlin rocks!  Thanks for posting this one.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:52 | 2025921 Seer
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We're nearing the end of the current inter-glacial period.  Things most certainly will be reset...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:10 | 2025998 UP Forester
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....with a snow-white screen, after mass-migration and food wars.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:51 | 2026523 JW n FL
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http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/29dec_magneticfield/

 

Our planet's magnetic field reverses about once every 200,000 years on average.

However, the time between reversals is highly variable.

The last time Earth's magnetic field flipped was 780,000 years ago, according to the geologic record of Earth's polarity.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_field_flip.html

 

Shift in Earth's magnetic north pole forces Tampa airport to repaint its runways

http://www.gadling.com/2011/01/06/shift-in-earths-magnetic-north-pole-forces-tampa-airport-to-rep/

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:18 | 2025363 AUD
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If this really came from Henry Kiss-my-ass-inger (MDC 1981, I think), it was probably just obfuscation to blame the economic instability caused by the US default in 1971 on something other than the US default in 1971.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:17 | 2026069 AUD
Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:22 | 2025373 smlbizman
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based on your beginning observations, i would guess the u.s.a will be putting condems on our missiles to control the populations everywhere....

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:29 | 2025384 Sudden Debt
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I thought america decided that global climate change didn't exist?
Strange....

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:35 | 2025502 SAT 800
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It doesn't exist. It doesn't matter what "official america" thinks; it doesn't exist. There, now there's one more person who knows what the right answer is.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:40 | 2025615 lotsoffun
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comment tu va sudden debt?  goede dag sudden debt?

america?  you mean, north, south, middle.  mexcio canada, braizil, costa rico, argentina :) 

yes - the united states has decided - among other things that - according to mcdonald and coca cola - they make food and you should eat it. according to general motors and exxon there is no such thing as global warming.  and according to disney and atari - violence in t.v. and video games has no effect on people.  according to monsanto - genetically modified salmon that grow 3x bigger 3x as fast have no effect on the food chain.  is there any other thing that peter pan want to hear or tell you about?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:32 | 2025389 tim73
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27 government security agencies in the US...those bastard Canadians must be one huge security threat. They are out to get you!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:35 | 2025393 wanwer
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Fear of Over-Population is what drives a lot of Democrat policies.  Free abortion, taxing growth, EPA rules, ethanol subsidies that drive up food prices, etc.  Democrats and the elites around the world see humans as THE problem.  They should do us all a favor and bite a bullet.  The conundrum Democrats face is they hate humans and want less of them, but the particular ones they hate, they pander to for votes.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:38 | 2025507 SAT 800
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It's not necessary to "hate humans" in order to understand that we don't need THIS MANY HUMANS.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:18 | 2025575 earleflorida
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21st Century Planned Parenthood via "Modern-Oligarchy-Theorem" = "Machiavellian Misanthropy on Steroids" 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:26 | 2025686 trav7777
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visit Haiti sometime...or just go to an island where deer got stranded

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:25 | 2025799 JW n FL
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Hey! Hey!! Now!!!

dont you pick on our little dears!

we imported some Ohio stock to Kissimee back in the 1960's..

what we lack in the size of our dear.. we more than make up for in the size of our Sailfish! Marlin! and ______________ name whatever fish you would like.. and dont get me started about fresh water, like Large Mouth Bass! WOWIE!!

jus sayin!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:04 | 2025936 Seer
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Democrat policies responsible for "ethanol subsidies that drive up food prices, etc. "

You've got quite the case of myopia there.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00067884 (click on "PARTY SPLIT BY CYCLE") [Cargil]

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00042069 (click on "PARTY SPLIT BY CYCLE") [Monsanto]

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00093963 (click on "PARTY SPLIT BY CYCLE") [Archer Daniels Midland - yes, Dems were slightly ahead, but apparently they've dropped from favor for the 2012 cycle]

http://www.followthemoney.org/database/topcontributor.phtml?u=1396&y=0&P... [John Deere]

I'm sure that I could go on, but this should be enough to toss your steaming turds back in your lap.

So, what's it like to be a stupid and ignorant Party Pussy?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:00 | 2026549 JW n FL
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Seer ,

         1st off! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

2nd off, anyone who still thinks that Team Red and Blue are anything bit conversational fodder for the less than.. needs our help to un-plug them from their self sustaining brain wash.. that is stuck on repeat!

God Bless and God Love You and Yours!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:12 | 2026582 JW n FL
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wanwer

Fear of Over-Population is what drives a lot of Democrat policies. Free abortion, taxing growth, EPA rules, ethanol subsidies that drive up food prices, etc. Democrats and the elites around the world see humans as THE problem. They should do us all a favor and bite a bullet. The conundrum Democrats face is they hate humans and want less of them, but the particular ones they hate, they pander to for votes.

And the Republicans will save us from the Evil Dumbocrats?

How do you feel about Ron Paul?

How do you feel about the NDAA?

  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005, from the Congressional Budget Office
  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007, from GovTrack.us
  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, from GovTrack.us
  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2009, from GovTrack.us
  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010: H.R. 2647 and S. 1391
  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2011, from the Congressional Budget Office
  • National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, from GovTracks.us
  • [1]
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act

     

    do you think it is possible that Repugnants are in bed with the Rumbocrats.. and thusly that BOTH sides of the coin.. are really only ALL LObby Whores?

    is it possible that you taking the time out of your day to bash a fellow American.. instead of document why these scumbags.. one and all! are the single largest threat to America?

     

    The Constitution has been gutted.. by both of the bottom feeding lobby whore parties!!

    do you see how they use Dead Babies to polarize We the People?

    do you feel like a sheep being led around by your nose?

     

    dont drink the kooaide.. of either side.

     

    Happy New Year! 

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:36 | 2025397 JW n FL
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    Department of Energy 2011 (International) Outlook

    We are all FUCKED! (this will only be news to a few of you idiots)

    Department of Energy Press Page.

    http://205.254.135.7/forecasts/ieo/

    Video presentation.

    http://csis.org/event/eias-international-energy-outlook-2011

    The PDF short report (direct link).

    http://www.eia.gov/pressroom/presentations/howard_09192011.pdf

    how about some back ground?

    This is for the attention deficit crowd, 1 minute and 45 seconds long and in cartoon medium.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rw9ekMcOyA&feature=g-u

    this one is a little longer.. and maybe more for the grownups.. to all of my Friends here.. this is Jeff Rubin, again.. no need for you guys / gals to have to suffer it again.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYuLjGQQ-jg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Xe_ATNWQQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF2C7381C28FABE8D

    Al Bartlett on energy consumption versus population

    Uploaded by human4832 on Dec 7, 2009

    Prof. Al Bartlett discusses his perspective on energy consumption versus population growth. Unending population growth is the root cause of our increasing demand for energy.

    This is from a panel discussion with Professor Al Bartlett and former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm at the October 2009 ASPO-USA Denver, Colorado symposium on peak oil. For more information and additional panel videos, see www.AlBartlett.org . Also see www.ASPO-USA.org .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

    The Most IMPORTANT Video You'll Ever See (part 1 of 8)

    Uploaded by wonderingmind42 on Jun 16, 2007

    2 million views for an old codger giving a lecture about arithmetic? What's going on? You'll just have to watch to see what's so damn amazing about what he (Albert Bartlett) has to say.

    I introduce this video to my students as "Perhaps the most boring video you'll ever see, and definitely the most important." But then again, after watching it most said that if you followed along with what the presenter (a professor emeritus of Physics at Univ of Colorado-Boulder) is saying, it's quite easy to pay attention, because it is so damn compelling.

    Entire playlist for the lecture: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6A1FD147A45EF50D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLF2C7381C28FABE8D

    David Rockefeller speaks about population control.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I

    Bill Gates on energy: Innovating to zero!

    Fracking Contaminates Towns Water Supply

    http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/wy/pavillion/EPA_ReportOnPavillion_Dec-8-2011.pdf

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:43 | 2025408 BigDuke6
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    JW!

    Get your ass over to this bullshit MSM UK newspaper (owned by former KGB agent!! - no shit)

    where they are discussing the congress members all going to isreal - i tried to track you and get those links you had but couldn't find it.

    kick their butts

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/romney-a-man-whose-bugg...

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:06 | 2025445 JW n FL
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    On Tuesday, Iowa's caucuses kick off the GOP nominating process, followed a week later by the New Hampshire primary. Outwardly, these final few days of campaigning have been in keeping with the switchback ride that has gone before: a sudden moment in the sun for a candidate who had previously been overlooked, in this case Rick Santorum. In reality, the ascent of Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, could have been easily predicted by the simple principle of Buggins' turn. After all, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich at one stage shot to the top of the polls only, for differing reasons, to crash back to earth. So why not Rick Santorum now?

    They dont mention Ron Paul one, single time.. They mention Herman Cain and he is out! Thye mention Rick Santorum and he is not even running!

    But NO! Ron! Paul!!

    The problem I have is... that Ron Paul.. if he does not suffer a Secret Service Stand Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8) would be  the Top 0.1%'s Wet dream Come True!

    Ron would bring Austerity to the fore front of the budget crisis..

    Ron would make everyone pay the same tax rate. (including corporations)

    But what could / would Ron get done minus the votes in Congress or the Senate?

    any way.. I dont see Ron or anyone getting anything done, it is us verse them.. and US! is to busy fighting with US! to be able to get them out of power!

    as for News Papers... they reach an olde audience.. that votes..

    and thanks to the New York Times in the early 1970's.. these older people still believe that News Paper's are representing the truth for the betterment of ALL!

    We the People! are screwed.

    as for the Jew's.. the Jew's dont have the cash to run the Country.. but they are out front of this cluster fuck! which screams set up to me.

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:39 | 2025513 BigDuke6
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    Thats it i guess.

    Looking at the uk newspaper sites it brings home how RP is ignored.

    the uk is ruled by the banking cartels lock, stock and barrel so the papers tow the line.

    RP is usually named as a fanatic etc in throwaway comments that subconsciously paint DR Paul as a old nutter.

    its interesting to see such manipulation even in a country where her wont stand for office.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:16 | 2025664 Snake Plissken
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    Precisely, exactly the same in the Telegraph which has today almost hailed Romney as the second coming in its 'News' section:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8987321/US-election-2012-Mitt-Romney-on-course-for-historic-double-victory.html

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:29 | 2025689 trav7777
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    RP doesn't support Israel's "right" to exist nor our 3-monkeys foreign policy support of them

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:10 | 2025944 Seer
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    I once fired off a nasty letter to the BBC after hearing them refer to Hugo Chavez as "left wing" president.  The POINT, which I made quite clearly, is that they didn't mention George W. Bush as a "right wing" president, inconsistent (and obvious propaganda): no, the BBC isn't/wasn't "promoting" the "left wing," it was all meant as a negative toward Chavez. I haven't listened to the BBC in years, but shortly after I'd sent the letter I do seem to recall that they did stop inconsistently applying such labels.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:53 | 2025633 Lndmvr
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    I believe the country is being run by executive orders as of a while ago. Maybe RP would use the same to dismantle before going back to the constitution.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:36 | 2025400 Irelevant
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    Overcrowding BITCHEZ.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:43 | 2025405 luna_man
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    "very difficult moral issues need to be addressed."

    I sense nothing but war, in my future!

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:43 | 2025406 Eally Ucked
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    The best contraceptive human race ever discovered was Higher standard of living. Western countries are the best example of it. So we should stop exploiting Third World and help them to achieve the level of development similar to ours. It would help greatly in development of trade, distribution of capital and much more even job creation all over the world. I don't want to go into details here, anyway.  

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:08 | 2025450 clymer
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    Exactly. Populations top off and even themselves out naturally as the standard of living increases. The U.S. would have had a declining population if it were not for unmitigated migration from Mexico (and no - I am not anti-mexican and I want everyone to have a job).

    The problem is, as a nation and its' economy develops, the people tend to become educated, wiser, more curious and resourceful.

    This presents a problem to the small handful of families that control and steer the globe. Too many people to control that could usurp their usery-based oligarchy and possibly open up a new and enlightening direction for the human species.

    Much easier for them to engineer a post-industrial dark age, kill a lot of us, than to allow their reign of rule to end. Like North Korea, the primary objective is to maintain the regime.

    The bad news: Kissinger, David Rockefeller, brzezinski, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, warburgs and schiffs, many others - all of these people are approaching the end of their life and want to realize the dream before they go. Dangerous times, indeed.

     

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:51 | 2025731 trav7777
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    you retard, standard of living = oil consumption per capita

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:22 | 2025791 JW n FL
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDSjAJR3Zo&feature=player_embedded

    Uploaded by on Dec 18, 2011

    The 2nd US-Saudi Business Opportunities Forum was held Dec 5-7, 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia with the aim to be a high-level gathering of senior officials and business leaders from Saudi Arabia and the United States that explored opportunities for greater economic collaboration between the two nations as well as providing an unparalleled business networking environment.

    The forum was sponsored by the Ministry of Commerce and Industry (MOCI) of Saudi Arabia and organized by the Committee for International Trade (CIT), the Saudi-US Trade Group (SUSTG) and the US-Saudi Arabian Business Council (USSABC). For more information visit the SUSRIS.com special section on this topic:
    http://www.susris.com/special-sections/2011-spec-sec/us-saudi-business-opport...

    Speaking at the workshop titled "Opportunities for Finance and Investment," was Ahmed al-Khateeb, Managing Director & CEO, Jadwa Investment

    The Saudi's are running a GDP surplus next year!

    Falling food prices!

    and the Saudi's pumping How Many Billions into New Home construction? and the tallest building in the planet?

    All's well!

    LULZ!!

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:39 | 2025511 SAT 800
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    another dreamer.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:19 | 2025579 lotsoffun
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    eally uked - i guess you are a european?  i've lived in europe - i haven't in the third world.  but - what i've gleaned is that third world still thinks have as many childrend as the bitch can bare because lots of them will die and what's left will take care of me when i'm old.  it's that simple and has been for eternity.  the west entered a time of real progress where people lived longer and don't need to have children supporting them.  worldwide - one the biggest indicators of poverty (and this is still true in my USA) is unwed mothers.  but because of the wonderful social welfard programs - northern european countrys have large numbers of unwed mothers. (i like this myself).  so you are right.  higher standard of living is less children - more self confidence.

    more cultural self-confidence - less need to bomb people - more love to see other peoples and cultures and countrys full-filled and happy.  and stuffed with turkey and bud- lite ;0

     

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:32 | 2025696 trav7777
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    uh we're not exploiting the 3rd world.

    The higher standard of living comes from OUR EXPLOITATION, IDIOT (as you call it).  WE brought refrigeration, WE brought electric power, WE brought modern medicine.

    WE BRING ALL THAT SHIT.  THEY DON'T HAVE IT, nor can they CREATE IT, otherwise they WOULD HAVE ALREADY.

    The higher standard of living requires MORE CONSUMPTION.  The earth CANNOT SUPPORT THAT.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:31 | 2025810 Eally Ucked
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    Just calm down genius! You have done all this using somebody's else money, brain power and labor. You have not done anything, everything was bought for conffetti money. "The higher standard of living requires MORE CONSUMPTION.  The earth CANNOT SUPPORT THAT" that's why you will keep consuming and the rest should be put on the altar as sacrifice of your consumption, is it your solution BRAIN?  

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:52 | 2026280 my puppy for prez
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    Try convincing John Perkins, the Economic Hitman, of your first statement.

    Fail.

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 22:52 | 2027591 trav7777
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    everyone has an agenda.  The fact remains that the land had no value to natives other than a place to shit on.  They didn't know there were oil and minerals down there, nor how to get them.  Our extraction of them along with provision to the natives of education, the wheel, and oppression like electric power is a fair trade, just as $5 and some shiny beads were for Manhattan. 

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:19 | 2025955 Seer
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    "So we should stop exploiting Third World and help them to achieve the level of development similar to ours."

    Did you NOT read this?  That's the premise, it is advocating less population sizes so that the West can exploit them MORE!  All in the name of fucking development!

    Do you really want to understand this or are you just another of those technology-will-save-the-planet ignoramuses?

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:47 | 2026082 SAT 800
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    Starvation and disease work pretty well, historically speaking.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:46 | 2025412 BennyBoy
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    Let's try eugenics on Kissinger. It would not be a very difficult moral issue.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:00 | 2025747 trav7777
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    people do eugenics all the time.  Men marry the hottest bitch they can and women go after rich dudes.  Smart people get rich much more frequently, so this is creating, right before your eyes, an upperclass that is smarter, prettier, and richer.

    You people's heads would blow up if you looked into the research that shows correlation between asymmetry in facial features and criminality.  Aka, criminals are far more likely to look like a cretin and vice versa.  Prettier people actually smell better too.

    None of these details are subjective; it's all objective data.  If you look in latin america, you see a ruling class that gets whiter.  The rich men chase whiter, taller, blonder women (the blonde gene is an evolutionary expression to get noticed; it works), and so you end up with a prettier, taller, richer, smarter upper class.  Happens everywhere.  Even places like Rwanda.  The paper bag test comes from blacks themselves.  And the children there show a preference for blonde, white dolls, even if they have no TVs around, no magazines, no oppressive whitey or any of that shit.  As I said, your heads would get all BLOWED UP if you even took the time to peer into any of the psych studies.  Oh, and your baby is RAYCISS.

    Diversity and this idiocy that "culture" creates people is asinine; it is people that create culture as a function of their aggregate attributes.  This is why chimps don't have other than chimp culture; it's what they're capable of as a function of their biology.  Or to dumb it down to something that you cretins can understand, stupid is as stupid does.

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:15 | 2025952 Iwanttoknow
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    Primaray  source being Karfft Ebbing?

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:50 | 2026084 SAT 800
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    Really, the primary source is common semse and the willingness to think straight; but read "The Bell Shaped Curve" it contains a lot of information.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:48 | 2025414 jonjon831983
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    Pentagon report some 4 years ago addressed this problem of global environmental degradation on US security.

    Not a good sign.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:51 | 2025416 dick cheneys ghost
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    for those who haven't seen it......think of all the shit that went down during the rockefeller/nixon administration.........

     

    The Trials of Henry Kissinger.............by christopher hitchens.........RIP

     

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815881561030958784&hl=en

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 12:24 | 2026598 JW n FL
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    dick cheneys ghost ,

    for those who haven't seen it......think of all the shit that went down during the rockefeller/nixon administration.........

    The Trials of Henry Kissinger.............by christopher hitchens.........RIP

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815881561030958784&hl=en

     

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    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:02 | 2025433 tony bonn
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    henry kissinger is one of the most vile persons to have ever walked this earth - and there is much to say about this man which would cause any thinking persons jaw to drop and crack on the pavement...he is not a nice person - his evil is deep and callous stretching back to ww2.....kissinger is not the persona he projects....

    this paper is evidence of the triumph of operation paperclip....

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:46 | 2025522 Westcoastliberal
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    I put Kissinger on par with Cheney, give or take a click.

    If you agree with me that collapse is becoming unavoidable, don't despair, prepare! http://www.collapsenet.com/262.html

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:18 | 2025783 Mike in GA
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    I put him on a par with Cheney, too.  They both have more intelligence in their pinky fingers than any ten westcoastliberals could ever hope to have in total.

     

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:49 | 2026276 my puppy for prez
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    If "intelligence" equals evil malintent, then I would agree.

    Moron.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:29 | 2025598 lotsoffun
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    kissinger and family moved to nyc in 1938 and avoided the jewish atrocitys.  even if he had experienced that, the superior person makes a decision.  the decision is - 1 - this is what they did to me, i will do it to them.  2 - this is what they did to me, it is horrible, i would not want any again to do this to other people.

    they did not do it to him.  or his family.  he is truly horrible.  he brings death and destruction.  89 years old and still loving it.  god bless him and his.

     

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:02 | 2025751 trav7777
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    who is this "they"? 

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 06:51 | 2026146 JOYFUL
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    Just for the record, please tell us who is your "we"? Clear that up for us once and for all will ya champ?

    Genes have a significant influence upon attributes like intelligence.  And sure nuff, what you say about blonde genes and 'white dolls' happens to play out for true in the 'real world'....

    BUT,

    your facts can be absolutely true, and your conclusions faulty, based upon an interpretation of the data which is erroneous due to your subjective desires intruding upon your analytic framework.  You 'science' lovers get hoisted pon your own petard every time yu open your traps, because you love the theory but hate the predicates of 'empirical evidence.' Empirically, we 'humans',  as a species,  have long known that hatin on somebody whom you've never even met, for reasons that you invent, is the mark of a fucktard. In cohesive societies, such a person inevitably becomes either a social pariah or the leader of a grand movement to villainize the neighbors, then steal their stuff.  There may be a job opening for you in D.C., based on upon  your qualifications.  Why not use your experience here on ZH to aim higher?

    Now then, getting back to your 'we':  though genetics can predispose one to lesser intelligence, an ever more important factor is that of whom one associates with(aka-environmental factors) Since hangin with you and your crowd would produce a moronic and overweening narsissistic sense of entitlement  pretty much lickity split, full disclosure of your 'we' will help the rest of us avoid that fate. 

    p.s.  I hope that today and maybe tomorrow can be devoted to letting you vent your spleen against pretty much everybody on the planet, so that the next 364 days can involve productive discussions upon topics of some importance to our collective futures.

    {full disclosure}...though I have no visible shares in any other 'race' than the plain vanilla one, I subscribe to the belief that the one unalienable right of every human bein be that of bein judged pon what they do, rather than what they look like or where they was born! 

     

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 22:59 | 2027613 trav7777
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    what is all this muddleheaded shit you're writing, dipfuck?

    You confuse the general with the specific.  Don't do that again and try to have an argument with me.

    I believe absolutely in evaluating individuals as individuals.  I don't hate people I haven't met.  You people amaze me with your inability to read what IS written.  You are so easily sidetracked by your own sloppy thoughts and emotions.  So easily manipulated and confused and conditioned.

    Tue, 01/03/2012 - 01:18 | 2027910 JOYFUL
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    If you have actually met the billions and billions of (non-white) people who you serially direct the broad brush of your daily drivel at here Trav baby, then you are more widely travelled than Simon Black.  "I don't hate people I haven't met" huh? What, maybe yu luv them to death with your kindhearted concern to reduce their suffering? 

    What a fukking hypocrite and retard you are.  I kind of figured that out the day I read you trying to pass off your goldbug envy as a pious concern for saving widows&orphans and honest folk at large from losing their hard earned savings at the hands of pumpers!

    Mr "You people" has not actually accepted my invitation to describe his people I notice! So not only do you lack the balls to make an argument for your own case, the pejoratives that you toss out in the absence of one are all written from the vantage point of your own mirror dipshit!

    Don't do that again and try to have an argument with me.

    Sounds a little panicky Trav-esty!  The school yard bully with the big inferiority complex what he papers over with bluff an bravado.  I'll do whatever the fuck I want here wankerboy -  whether it's general or specific, your hate on for other folks is a mental disorder which I will take pleasure in pointing out till you get lost or get better....it's  a new year - time to learn some new tricks!

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:05 | 2025442 gwar5
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    There's lots of non-fossil energy around, we have been kept from developing it due to the special interests guarding their monoplies of fossil fuels.

     

    The limiting crunch is food. But we needn't kill off our prison populations and our old people and go full-retard Malthusian. BTW, why do the Malthusians always insist everybody else has to go first ?  I think it shows lack of commitment on their part.  All we have to do is lower birth rates in some parts of the world. Many people would volunteer for that if they had the available means.

    Factoid: John D. Rockefellar contributed the equivalent of $500 million lobbying to pass Alcohol Prohibition in the USA so that people would have to buy his gasoline at his gasoline stations to run their vehicles. Previously, people could run their cars with ethanol too, which they could make themselves or buy from family roadside vendors. Running cars on Ethanol is a very old idea that was killed in the crib by TPTB. 

    No, I'm not an advocate of now burning food for fuel.  But i's an example of how good ideas are sabotaged if they give too much economic freedom and democracy to the people, like a gold standard.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:27 | 2025488 Killtruck
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    I get your point, but "too much economic freedom and democracy to the people" - what the fuck are you talking about?

    This is what happens when "democratic republics allow themselves to be corrupted by criminals". Fixed it. 

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:35 | 2025700 trav7777
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    gasoline beats the shit out of ethanol.

    there was nobody going to be running any significant cars on ethanol, then, now, or ever

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:15 | 2025871 bob_dabolina
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    What about introducing a competing alternative like NatGas? 

    Obviously oil will always have it's place, but I see no reason why the combustion engine can not be run on NatGas. We have more NatGas than Saudi Arabia has oil. 

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:46 | 2025909 trav7777
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    that's absolute nonsense...and THEN WHAT?

    you don't think NG will peak and deplete?

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:26 | 2025954 bob_dabolina
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    It's a suggestion that aides in the transition to the next alternative and it is completely viable and sensical. 

    How far do you want to plan into the future for fucks sake? If you look far enough into the future the sun sucks up the earth so who gives a shit anyway? 

    I worry about my generation and that of my children. Whatever the "next alternative" is will be up to my childrens children and by that time who the fuck knows what kind of technological advances there will be. It could end up being like the Matrix where people are bred and farmed for the sole purpose for being used as an energy source. Maybe we'll just throw some Kenyans on a hamster wheel and keep em on a Meth I/V drip. Who the fuck knows.

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:24 | 2025962 Seer
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    "But we needn't kill off our prison populations and our old people and go full-retard Malthusian."

    Of course fucking not!  Mother Nature is quite capable: she has been doing this for billions of years!

    That you promote ethanol ranks you as STUPID.  Yes, I have ZERO tolerance for people that cannot figure this shit out.  I've spent tons of time lecturing AGAINST ethanol (for use anywhere other than close proximity to where its inputs come from- like the local farm).

    I think that anyone thinking they are smarter than Mother Nature needs to be sterilized.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:05 | 2025443 Pinky
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    My response to the neo-malthusians, the ones calling for population reduction, is typically "OK, you go first."

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:35 | 2025701 trav7777
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    let's just grow forever because you are too stupid to grasp the problem.  Great.

    No, YOU first.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:13 | 2025451 diesheepledie
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    Kissinger was truly one of the greatest men of the late 20th century. A true visionary. I just hope his dreams of massive population reduction become a reality. But who has the will to carry the torch further? I have high hopes for the new Gingrich administration.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:15 | 2025461 Eally Ucked
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    It looks lke we have another joker.

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:58 | 2025931 Narcolepzzzzzz
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    Nah. I think MDB has just changed his username.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:15 | 2025462 booboo
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    There you go with that "Hope" shit, how did that work out for you with your man Obama. He seems to be doing a good job reducing the population himself.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:41 | 2025514 Peter Pan
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    One wonders why the evil men in this world have an exponentially greater effect on this world than good decent men. Why is there always such an audience for evil while good men become like voices in the desert?

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:08 | 2025559 lotsoffun
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    dear peter pan. that is actually very funny your 'avatar' is it called?  you see there are bad people in the world, like dr. hook.  and the funny thing is - bad people tend to do bad things with out limits until they are stopped.

    if you were to look for example at the viking era - they were completely outnumbered sometimes 10x or more, but they were able to wreck terrible havoc because the extent of their brutality was so great (they also figured how to make steel vs. iron but, we will ignore that for the moment).

    until people step up to the bullys - they will have their way.  but it can be beaten.  people need to stand as one, and not be afraid.  and oddly enough, when they aren't afraid, there really isn't much damage done to the 'one'.

    sheep-dog-one is among the people i respect on this blog.  he can explain it to you.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:11 | 2025654 Peter Pan
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    Der Lotsoffun, i see what you are saying, but but but, it is still a reality that far fewer people are needed to do evil on a large scale than to do good. You really have to harness an awkwardly high number of good people to actually reverse the evil of this world. I personally have always made it a mission to step up to bullies but it is infuriating to see how many people keep their mouthes shut just to protect their position and the tranitory peace of their little kingdom.

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:28 | 2025967 Seer
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    The "greater effect" is primarily the result of top-down hierarchies.  Vertical hierarchies provide excellent leverages for power.  Without them you'd just have random, sporadic acts of violence (often held at bay by those who seek to do "good").

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:29 | 2025808 Theta_Burn
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    Thats funny

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:47 | 2025902 diesheepledie
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    I am really surprised by the hate on this site for Dr. a Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr. Kissinger, a Statesman and scholar in international affairs. A man who fled the Nazis to become a true American Patriot. If you could achieve a tenth of what he has. You all aren't worthy of shining his Jew shoes.

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:30 | 2025969 Seer
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    And yeah, Obama also belongs on the pedestal, he's another Nobel "Peace" Prize recipient.  The good-old-boy circle jerks just keep a happening... (because people continue to vote, keep perpetuating the System)

    Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:21 | 2025957 Iwanttoknow
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    Stop junking him.pure sarcasm.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:33 | 2025500 Peter Pan
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    In the absence of "killing off" seniors I do not see a way out. The alternative is to "kill off" younger people by yoking them with our retirement expectations.

    Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:37 | 2025707 trav7777
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    Sigh...wtf is wrong with you idiots?

    The issue is NOT killing people off it is preventing EXPONENTIAL REPRODUCTION, ok?  It is CONTRACEPTION, NOT GENOCIDE.

    I have no motherfucking clue how the world is to survive when people like you have the right to vote.

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