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Presenting NSSM 200: "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth For U.S. Security and Overseas Interests"

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One of the topics touched upon by Eric deCarbonnel in the earlier article discussing the potential, if not necessarily probable absent further validation, implications of the Exchange Stabilization Fund, is that of the nature of AIDS. Which got us thinking. While we won't necessarily go into the implications proposed by none other than Chuck Palahniuk in his book Rant (word search Kissinger, especially what Neddy Nelson has to say on the topic), it made us recall that particular National Security Study Memorandum, aka NSSM 200, better known as "The Kissinger Report" authored on December 10, 1974 and immediately classified under Executive Order 11652 until 1989, titled simply, "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth For U.S. Security and Overseas Interests." What did the report say and why is it relevant, especially in our day and age when so many believe that all important substance - black gold - may have peaked? Well, since it has 123 pages full of very, very curious information as pertains to how US foreign policy is truly styled, we will leave it up to our readers to make their own conclusions, but here are some preliminary observations to help them on their way...

The basic thesis of the memorandum was that population growth in the least developed countries (LDCs) is a concern to U.S. national security, because it would tend to risk civil unrest and political instability in countries that had a high potential for economic development. The policy gives "paramount importance" to population control measures and the promotion of contraception among 13 populous countries, to control rapid population growth which the US deems inimical to the socio-political and economic growth of these countries and to the national interests of the United States, since the "U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad", and these countries can produce destabilizing opposition forces against the United States. It recommends the US leadership to "influence national leaders" and that "improved world-wide support for population-related efforts should be sought through increased emphasis on mass media and other population education and motivation programs by the U.N., USIA, and USAID."


Thirteen countries are named in the report as particularly problematic with respect to U.S. security interests: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Colombia, and Brazil. These countries are projected to create 47 percent of all world population growth.


The report advocates the promotion of education and contraception and other population control measures. It also raises the question of whether the U.S. should consider preferential allocation of surplus food supplies to states that are deemed constructive in use of population control measures.

Some of the key insights of report are controversial:

"The U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries [see National Commission on Materials Policy, Towards a National Materials Policy: Basic Data and Issues, April 1972]. That fact gives the U.S. enhanced interest in the political, economic, and social stability of the supplying countries. Wherever a lessening of population pressures through reduced birth rates can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resource supplies and to the economic interests of the United States. . . . The location of known reserves of higher grade ores of most minerals favors increasing dependence of all industrialized regions on imports from less developed countries. The real problems of mineral supplies lie, not in basic physical sufficiency, but in the politico-economic issues of access, terms for exploration and exploitation, and division of the benefits among producers, consumers, and host country governments" [Chapter III-Minerals and Fuel]. 


Whether through government action, labor conflicts, sabotage, or civil disturbance, the smooth flow of needed materials will be jeopardized. Although population pressure is obviously not the only factor involved, these types of frustrations are much less likely under conditions of slow or zero population growth" [Chapter III-Minerals and Fuel].


"Populations with a high proportion of growth. The young people, who are in much higher proportions in many LDCs, are likely to be more volatile, unstable, prone to extremes, alienation and violence than an older population. These young people can more readily be persuaded to attack the legal institutions of the government or real property of the ‘establishment,' ‘imperialists,' multinational corporations, or other-often foreign-influences blamed for their troubles" [Chapter V, "Implications of Population Pressures for National Security].

"We must take care that our activities should not give the appearance to the LDCs of an industrialized country policy directed against the LDCs. Caution must be taken that in any approaches in this field we support in the LDCs are ones we can support within this country. "Third World" leaders should be in the forefront and obtain the credit for successful programs. In this context it is important to demonstrate to LDC leaders that such family planning programs have worked and can work within a reasonable period of time." [Chapter I, World Demographic Trends].

The kicker:

The report advises, "In these sensitive relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion."

And much more...

So just what do you call when Dr. Mengele applies the principles of eugenics, only not to his own population, but to everybody else's? We have no idea although it certainly sounds like yet another crack pot, tinfoil conspiracy theory.

For those who enjoy factual historical documents, here are some other of the good Doctor's (Kissinger, not Mengele) observations:

Because of the momentum of population dynamics, reductions in birth rates affect total numbers only slowly. High birth rates in the recent past have resulted in a high proportion the youngest age groups, so that there will continue to be substantial population increases over many years even if a two-child family should become the norm in the future. Policies to reduce fertility will have their main effects on total numbers only after several decades. However, if future numbers are to be kept within reasonable bounds, it is urgent that measures to reduce fertility be started and made effective in the 1970's and 1980's. Moreover, programs started now to reduce birth rates will have short run advantages for developing countries in lowered demands on food, health and educational and other services and in enlarged capacity to contribute to productive investments, thus accelerating development.


U.N. estimates use the 3.6 billion population of 1970 as a base (there are nearly 4 billion now) and project from about 6 billion to 8 billion people for the year 2000 with the U.S. medium estimate at 6.4 billion. The U.S. medium projections show a world population of 12 billion by 2075 which implies a five-fold increase in south and southeast Asia and in Latin American and a seven-fold increase in Africa, compared with a doubling in east Asia and a 40% increase in the presently developed countries (see Table I). Most demographers, including the U.N. and the U.S. Population Council, regard the range of 10 to 13 billion as the most likely level for world population stability, even with intensive efforts at fertility control. (These figures assume, that sufficient food could be produced and distributed to avoid limitation through famines.)


Growing populations will have a serious impact on the need for food especially in the poorest, fastest growing LDCs. While under normal weather conditions and assuming food production growth in line with recent trends, total world agricultural production could expand faster than population, there will nevertheless be serious problems in food distribution and financing, making shortages, even at today's poor nutrition levels, probable in many of the larger more populous LDC regions. Even today 10 to 20 million people die each year due, directly or indirectly, to malnutrition. Even more serious is the consequence of major crop failures which are likely to occur from time to time.


Countries with large population growth cannot afford constantly growing imports, but for them to raise food output steadily by 2 to 4 percent over the next generation or two is a formidable challenge. Capital and foreign exchange requirements for intensive agriculture are heavy, and are aggravated by energy cost increases and fertilizer scarcities and price rises. The institutional, technical, and economic problems of transforming traditional agriculture are also very difficult to overcome.


In addition, in some overpopulated regions, rapid population growth presses on a fragile environment in ways that threaten longer-term food production: through cultivation of marginal lands, overgrazing, desertification, deforestation, and soil erosion, with consequent destruction of land and pollution of water, rapid siltation of reservoirs, and impairment of inland and coastal fisheries.


Rapid population growth is not in itself a major factor in pressure on depletable resources (fossil fuels and other minerals), since demand for them depends more on levels of industrial output than on numbers of people. On the other hand, the world is increasingly dependent on mineral supplies from developing countries, and if rapid population frustrates their prospects for economic development and social progress, the resulting instability may undermine the conditions for expanded output and sustained flows of such resources.


Rapid population growth creates a severe drag on rates of economic development otherwise attainable, sometimes to the point of preventing any increase in per capita incomes. In addition to the overall impact on per capita incomes, rapid population growth seriously affects a vast range of other aspects of the quality of life important to social and economic progress in the LDCs.


The universal objective of increasing the world's standard of living dictates that  economic growth outpace population growth. In many high population growth areas of the world, the largest proportion of GNP is consumed, with only a small amount saved. Thus, a small proportion of GNP is available for investment - the "engine" of economic growth. Most experts agree that, with fairly constant costs per acceptor, expenditures on effective family planning services are generally one of the most cost effective investments for an LDC country seeking to improve overall welfare and per capita economic growth. We cannot wait for overall modernization and development to produce lower fertility rates naturally since this will undoubtedly take many decades in most developing countries, during which time rapid population growth will tend to slow development and widen even more the gap between rich and poor.

And why all this is relevant for good ole' humanitarian Uncle Sam:

The political consequences of current population factors in the LDCs - rapid growth, internal migration, high percentages of young people, slow improvement in living standards, urban concentrations, and pressures for foreign migration ?? are damaging to the internal stability and international relations of countries in whose advancement the U.S. is interested, thus creating political or even national security problems for the U.S. In a broader sense, there is a major risk of severe damage to world economic, political, and ecological systems and, as these systems begin to fail, to our humanitarian values.


What are the stakes? We do not know whether technological developments will make it possible to feed over 8 much less 12 billion people in the 21st century. We cannot be entirely certain that climatic changes in the coming decade will not create great difficulties in feeding a growing population, especially people in the LDCs who live under increasingly marginal and more vulnerable conditions. There exists at least the possibility that present developments point toward Malthusian conditions for many regions of the world. 


But even if survival for these much larger numbers is possible, it will in all likelihood be bare survival, with all efforts going in the good years to provide minimum nutrition and utter dependence in the bad years on emergency rescue efforts from the less populated and richer countries of the world. In the shorter run -- between now and the year 2000 -- the difference between the two courses can be some perceptible material gain in the crowded poor regions, and some improvement in the relative distribution of intra- country per capita income between rich and poor, as against permanent poverty and the widening of income gaps. A much more vigorous effort to slow population growth can also mean a very great difference between enormous tragedies of malnutrition and starvation as against only serious chronic conditions.

And it gets even better:

There is an alternative view which holds that a growing number of experts believe that the population situation is already more serious and less amenable to solution through voluntary measures than is generally accepted. It holds that, to prevent even more widespread food shortage and other demographic catastrophes than are generally anticipated, even stronger measures are required and some fundamental, very difficult moral issues need to be addressed.

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Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:04 | 2025756 Rakshas
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The western world can help set the example for the developing world by having their politicians spayed or neutered……


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:20 | 2026040 Cathartes Aura
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even better - stuffed & mounted!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:58 | 2026092 SAT 800
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Might have to have a special exception in the case of Africa; it's already bulging at the seams. Cut off the food and vaccines and find out what the carrying capacity is. Maybe a distribute a few million machetes; as "farm implements".

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:09 | 2026103 mkkby
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Stop worrying, Trav.  Peak resources will bring down the population, and it will most affect the least successful populations.  There is no need for central planning or moral judgements.

We are living at the peak of human civilization.  100 years from now, there won't be a star trek future of flying cars.  No energy for that.  Humans will be forced to live more simply and sustainably.  I'm just sorry I was born too early.  It'll be a better life.

It won't be an idiocracy after all.  Survival of the fittest will mean intelligence again.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:03 | 2025550 Dapper Dan
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JW, I watched the video of Mr Bartlett on ‎Wednesday, ‎November ‎16, ‎2011, ‏‎8:00:23 AM

and  still I can talk of little else when I am with my contemporaries,  at Christmas dinner I pleaded with family and friends to watch the video as soon as possible.

Have not heard back as of yet, shame on them! I tried but the college bowl games are a powerful diversion and not yet over,  time is short and they are myopic.

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is the inability to understand the exponential function".  

 Albert bartlett

 Today’s population at a 1.3% growth rate, in 2400 years, human mass would equal the mass of the earth.

In 750 years there would be one person per square meter of every bit of dry land mass on the planet.


Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:39 | 2025708 trav7777
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take it that you, at least, are gonna start listening to me from now on, huh?

Nevermind; it won't matter.  Bartlett is correct; either we will choose or nature will. Period.  There's no escaping fate.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:42 | 2025824 centerline
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You already know the answer regarding choice.  LOL.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:44 | 2025823 JW n FL
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Here are all the things that the straight edge people can not stand.. the facts in plain english.

If you liked AL! you will LOVE Jeff!

it is another youtube that everyone should be forced to watch, until it sinks in.

I might add, that the best I can do for my family is plan around them.. for thier betterment, inspite of themselves.

Dont be afriad to load up on Precious metals.. monster boxes.. U.S. Silver and Gold..

fuck bars! who are you going to hand a bar too? the U.S. coins trade at a premium now and later.. in good or bad times.

if you can.. put something outside the of the U.S.! if you can.. if you are up north think Canada.. if you are down south think Mexico.. and I dont mean in a bank.. unless it is your bank and thusly your safe.

HAVE PLAN "B" for all things.

The rule of thumb is.. if things get heated here in the United States.. it will be like a wild fire.. it will only burn hot for so long.. before it burns itself out of fuel.

Dont be here when it is super hot.. unless you are built to handle it. you can come back with your loved ones after and help clean up.. no harm no foul.

If things only swing back and forth.. then buy low and sell high and grow your holdings.. no harm no foul.

this year is going to be a cluster fuck.. at the very least.

Be! Careful!!

Be! Prepared!!

Stay! Liquid!!

Stay! Informed!!

and always have Plan "B" at hand!

Happy New Year..

God Love and Bless You and Yours!

Sorry to be the one to share the bad news with you.. but its better that you know and are not blind sided.

and dont let Travis get you down.. his heart is in the right place.. his vocabulary is limited to big, pretty words.. but he means well.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:05 | 2025555 ISEEIT
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Y'all are punchin' hard! Love it but hope you don't scare to many off. I'm just saying, lots to digest in a very short time.

Love it and I don't want to second guess the world's best blog. I just feel a little nervous with this much deep material being so clustered.

Ah well. It's done right?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:48 | 2025832 JW n FL
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Sunday Night is Family Night!

so a LOT! of shit stirring! and heavy handed comments (and facts to go with) at the dinner table..

but everyone is breaking bread!

this conversation is not for first time readers..

they need a LOT of sourced and sited material to sink in before they will be able to grasp the petro dolllar facts of the world.

Happy New Year!

here is some lite reading.. to take the edge off!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:14 | 2025568 TheSilverJournal
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More consumers also means more producers. If government stops squandering resources, there will be plenty of resources to go around for a long time.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:07 | 2026099 SAT 800
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ah, another economist is born. a star rising in the East, to guide us all.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:16 | 2025574 illadeljim
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"very difficult moral issues need to be addressed"..... like releasing a hybrid flu on Asia--before they consume the planet to dust and algae.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:55 | 2025842 JW n FL
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you should have this in your home and cabin.. on solar power! (or hydro) but off grid to be sure!

Negative ION with Ozone and Black Light! Kill it all baby!


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:21 | 2026946 mkkby
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That may be true, but in oil the US does most of the consuming.  To get back to sustainablity, the US/Europe need to drastically cut back.  That means far lower population and/or consumption.  Simpler life.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:41 | 2025617 cherry picker
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Not that long ago, 67 years ago, less than the span of the average male life expectency, Naz death factories were taking on trainlods of Jews, mental patients, Jehovah's Witnesses, objectors, criminals and non whites.  It was easier taking them away from their homes in order that they could be resold or used for other purposes and the work would be orderly and not so "messy".

We forget it was modern man and industrialazion which made this kind of thing possible.

Is it possible to do this again

With the right proaganda and sufficient amount of fear, of course.

When you train people to obey because it is for their own good and the penalites for not obeying become draconian, people obey.

Yes it can happen here given the right conditions or we can have a hand in it in other countries.

We forget too soon that history ryhmes.


Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:40 | 2025711 trav7777
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what is even worse is when idiots like you equate genocide to birth control

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:18 | 2025782 cherry picker
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People who call others idiot usually never look in the mirror.  Do you think Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and others weren't genocide?  In Afghanistan, most of the locals weren't aware of 9/11, never mind why they were being invaded.

trav7777, your mother may love you, but you mean nothing to me.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:50 | 2025917 trav7777
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no, they don't fit the definition of genocide by any stretch of the imagination.

Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

If you think Iraq or Afghanistan are genocide, then you are simply motherfuckin stupid.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:15 | 2025951 cherry picker
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Let's talk about stupidity for a minute

Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

over 100,000 innocent Iraqis murdered and a whole lot more injured and displaced when Saddam had no WMD and was not a threat to the US?

What do you call that genius?  Maybe that is not enough for you?

Then again it was Saudis led by Osama that reportedly did the 9/11 thing.  A terrorist organization right?

Why do whole countries have to pay for the actions of a small extremist organization?

Why are the borders of so many countries being ignored by drones as they go after insurgents and how many innocent are losing their lives there as drones can't tell the difference between the innocent and "suspects".

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:40 | 2025978 Seer
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Genocide is reserved for specific "cleansing."  The US isn't targeting any specific groups there; no, anyone who could interfere with oil production is a target of war.  And, keep in mind, ALL wars are about resources.

And, yes, I get it that lots of people were killed in this here "war."  I spent many years fighting against its continuation: ultimately concluded that we're just going to have to burn ourselves out, that there's no way that us "oil addicts" are going to stop killing for oil voluntarily.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:53 | 2025988 cherry picker
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Seer, it is semantics isn't it?

Maybe I'm wrong, but the Nazis used the camps for a lot more people than the Jews.  To me murder on a mass scale is murder, whether it is called genocide or not is immaterial.  I realize what you are saying, but you would think that man in the 21st Century, who has flown to the moon, use I-phones is hot on the tail of the God Particle has to resort to this for a police action?

The people who died in Iraq is the sum of a city, men, women and children.

The victims of 9/11 were murdered, but whoever did it may have been planning the genocide of the world's financial elite, who knows?

This is not going to turn out well in the end.  I can see it coming that is why I wrote the comment I did.

In America the Japanese were interned, indians moved to reservations, McCarthy had commies or anyone suspected of leaning too far to the left blacklisted.  That is history.  No country is innocent.

But at least we could set an example for nobility instead of stooping to the same level as those we scorn.


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:05 | 2027632 trav7777
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is it possible for you to make it through a post without totally changing the subject onto some strawman?

It isn't semantics; what is bullshit is when you DISTORT the meaning of a word to fit something it isn't.

What happened in Iraq WAS NOT Genocide.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:02 | 2026097 SAT 800
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very simply, all these problems were caused by people with your approximate data processing ability and resources. So now you know what the problem is.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:24 | 2026953 mkkby
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Well, are they gone?  What a fucktard.  Trav is right.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 18:53 | 2027172 cherry picker
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You and this Trav character are symbolic of what is wrong with this world.

I wouldn't be surprised if the two of you belong to Mensa

Self righteous with huge superiority complexes and members of the master race

wait till pride takes a fall, eventually it will, and you will find out how great you really are  :)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:07 | 2027635 trav7777
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well we know damned well YOU aren't in way you could qualify

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 01:11 | 2027896 cherry picker
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You know something trav, you're right and I never claimed to be a genius.

If someone posts a comment I may not agree with or think he or she misses the point entirely, there may be a reason for it.

When you call someone an idiot instead of disagreeing or finding out the position, you immediately anger people for no reason.

That is a lack of respect for a fellow human being.  No one knows it all.

When people do things like this, it only breeds contempt and people forget to listen.

No one wins, do they?

Your response is negated by your insolence and I am wondering what the hell I am even doing here to put up with it.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:48 | 2025629 hardcleareye
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"CLASSIFIED BY Harry C. Blaney, III"


Interesting name, interesting man....

From a web site called Rethinking National Security

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:31 | 2025691 tip e. canoe
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Chatham House Rules

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:26 | 2026043 Cathartes Aura
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phew!!  now that was heady. . .

good to see you re-joining the fray for 2012 tip.e - best wishes!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 18:06 | 2027122 tip e. canoe
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and the same to you, dear CA.  nice to re-join, just in time to pull out the needles, eh?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:49 | 2025631 proLiberty
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In setting up an excuse to meddle in the affairs of other nations so that they in turn might be induced to meddle in the personal lives of their citizens, the authors of this report are showing the same disregard for human rights as is shown by those who champion and defend Keynesian economic policies. 

To further explain: Keynes assumed that government had the power to freely manipulate both the quantity and time value of money.   He also presumed that government should be free to set any tax policy it pleased.  In so doing, he effectively laid claim to the private property held by all citizens using that government's money and who were subject to that government's taxation. 

Welcome to prison planet where we are being made indentured servants of Leviathan government.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:14 | 2025660 Bansters-in-my-...
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Isn't that a U.S.Terrorist...?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:22 | 2026005 UP Forester
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Must be.  Although, he's only got an arrest warrant out on him for Operation Condor in Chile during the '70s, so I guess according to .gov he's not quite deserving of a drone missile strike.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:19 | 2025667 merchantratereview
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The US could have maintained power dominance for for 100 more years with a sincere policy of winning hearts and minds thru extreme tech and shining city on a hill theology.

This could have been implemented via backdoor bloodless espionage and reasonable profits on cutting edge technology that actually benefits the people of the earth.



Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:48 | 2025985 Seer
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"This could have been implemented via backdoor bloodless espionage and reasonable profits on cutting edge technology that actually benefits the people of the earth."

What makes you think that this would be any more "successful?"  That people can even talk about fucking with other groups of people and or countries is pretty sick.

Oh, and that technology remark?  FAIL!  Technology is a PROCESS, it's a RECIPE.  It doesn't mean shit if it doesn't have the resources (feedstock).  Again, ALL WARS ARE ABOUT RESOURCES.  The US (and the West in general) has a consumption rate that is so far past sustainable that it's not even funny.  Let's not overlook that FACT that the US is only still afloat because it can print fiat dollars: otherwise it's basically dead ass broke (which the books show as being the case), which would suggest that it AIN'T going to be able to afford paying MORE for ever-increasingly scare resources.  What the hell else outlook could there be other than war? (I'm not ADVOCATING it, I'm just stating that one has to look at this shit with open eyes and without a bag of biases stuffed into their heads, that this outcome has the highest probability by far.)

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:20 | 2025671 AchtungAffen
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Well, it's not like the report is wrong when describing a future of 12 billion as bare survival. If we couldn't get our cocks in control, then most probably Soylent Green awaits...

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:29 | 2025688 San Diego Gold Bug
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Most American are sitting for hours on end in front of their TV watching stupid shit like Dancing with the stars and stuffing twinkies in their mouths.  if they don't change (and they won't), at least in the US, the population will decline do to poor health habits.  Put the i pad down, take the apple pie out of your mouth, and go play outside or go for a walk.  Wake up Fat USA.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:52 | 2025733 my puppy for prez
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Is my best-thing-hubby-has-ever-tasted-homemade-cream-cheese-danish okay to eat just TODAY?  I promise to exercise tomorrow.....

Oh...and for the record...I never watch DWS!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:30 | 2025690 Georgesblog
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Not surprising. It has the stink of U. N. Agenda 21 ripening in the sun. This ties in with many articles, from many sources, touting war as a population control option.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:35 | 2025702 ebworthen
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Limited resources and too many people.

The least able to sustain themselves have the most children.

A recipe for disaster no matter which way you come at it or your personal perspective.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:54 | 2025989 Seer
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So, you're saying that the Mormons AREN'T able to sustain themselves?

And folks in the West, you know, the ones who have MASSIVE amounts of debt, debt that their offspring will NOT be able to pay (read "food stolen from their mouths") are managing things better?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 17:24 | 2027087 ebworthen
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The Mormons are outliers.

The debt of the West is being bought by the East.

I'm long Gold, Silver, and someone, somewhere, enjoying the company of their spouse and children (two, preferably - kids not Wives).

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:03 | 2026213 WTFx10
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The least able to sustain themselves have the most children.

Because fucking is the only luxury they have

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:30 | 2026241 Rakshas
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Exactly, this just backs up my theory that a lot of the worlds problems could be resolved with a good blow job.......

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 19:23 | 2027200 Cathartes Aura
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well, given these effects don't last very long, here's to men getting yoga-fit & self-sufficient in 2012!

world problems solved!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:40 | 2025712 Nassim
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HIV/AIDS is entirely preventable - using social networking plus testing. Check out my concept on:

It is entirely ethical and approved by the FDA as a "medical device"

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:05 | 2026098 SAT 800
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For god;s sake don;t tell anyone in Africa.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:55 | 2025736 Yen Cross
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Fannie<> Freddie  { Equilibirum} / sarc on  ( Spell check)><

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:57 | 2025740 Bolweevil
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thats a lot of reality for so early in the year.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:00 | 2025750 Yen Cross
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 Let's F..King Trade! I smoked my Cigar, Fidel and Hugo!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:32 | 2025752 SaudiMail
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oops, clicked save twice.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:03 | 2025753 SaudiMail
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So America wants the resources from these places,  is concerned the indigenous population will consume them.  Only way to stop this happening is to kill off their young people because they will breed and would probably protest.

I've got a better idea, why doesn't America enforce its population control measures on its own country, they will need less of the worlds resources if they reduce their population say by 75%.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:07 | 2025760 Yen Cross
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 That took some " cojones"!  Nice comment!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:28 | 2025805 Yen Cross
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 Blahh Blahh!  Lets trade!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:45 | 2025829 besnook
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so, in view of this goal of reducing the world population and given the most effective reduction  of population  with the exception of ww2 russia, has been achieved by nature in the form of natural disaster, disease and starvation the path is clear given henry's, and his fellow travelers, low threshold of humanitarian values when it comes to the value of eaters other than himself. spread disease, cause famine and, in the absence of manmade natural disaster, go to war with the nations that have too many people and a lot of resources as a catalyst for the first two solutions.


obviously, part of the solution would be to keep the least developed countries permanently least developed so they could never develope into competitors for resources. 


or the chemical route could be taken and all the men could be turned gay or given permanent erectle dysfunction and the women could be rendered permenently infertile. it could be blamed on god.


i am sure henry has thought about all these solutions.


henry is such a gentle and thoughtful guy.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:57 | 2025845 luckylogger
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So which one of you utopian assholes are going to be the first to sacrifice your family?

Fact is we need a growing population to increase our standard of living. Unless you are a rich fuker and then it is best to kill every one. I just do not understand this end of the world bull shit..... it simply is not true

Kind of like we were going to run out of oil 10 years ago.... get a life.

Tits rock !!!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:01 | 2025992 Seer
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I see, just because something hasn't already happened (but it has), it therefore cannot happen?  Does this also mean that you'll continue to be a retard?

It's a FINITE planet.  Of COURSE there are limits!

It's idiots like you who fail to engage a decent discussion.  Always having to have some "solution," or thinking that others necessarily have one.  Well, I believe that the planet IS finite.  I also believe that Mother Nature WILL resolve our resource issues: she'll do it as she always does it- food and water shortages (and predators for other of her creatures [though Kissinger could be seen as a predator to humans]), as well as disease.

So, there you have it!  The planet is finite.  Mother Nature will continue to operate.  And your plans are? (don't bother answering [I won't be around anyway], it's a rhetorical question)

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 17:26 | 2027089 ebworthen
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^5 on the "tits rock"

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:11 | 2025860 SgtShaftoe
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This Malthusian argument is utter fuckery, with a modern-day Naziesque scientism basis. Resources are not finite in an economic sense. Population growth is limitless, in that is without practical and knowable limit. Otherwise, we would have been maxed out several orders of magnitude ago. human innovation is the only practical limit to population growth and prosperity. We have the most educated minds, and the most advanced technology working on humanity's problems in the pursuit of profit. It's unbelievable that in a space of a day that we could have classic Austrian economic lectures of Kirzner next to Malthusian predictions of doom.

If you are inclined to believe any of these things, I highly recommend reading Julian Simon's "the ultimate resource" or for a more condensed version Matt Ridley's "the rational optimist", or even more condensed, this blog post:

Minerals, oil, metals are used in ever increasingly more efficient ways at the same time resource extraction of hitherto impossible deposits are possible. In the cases of a truly declining resource, a substitute is found from a matter of price signals (This is CORE Austrian economics!!!). The only pseudo exception being monetary metals which aren't naturally economized per produced unit since by doing so would produce inflation per definition.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:06 | 2025996 Seer
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Finite Planet = True

Finite area for life = True

Finite physical resources* = True

* Yes, the stuff is mostly still here on the planet; the "issue," however, is that is that stuff isn't being found in so many nice, neat packages anymore (entropy is a bitch).

I don't give a fuck who says what, whether someone has some sort of conspiracy.  Shit, I'm sure that some people believe that gravity is a conspiracy.  That people use shit to their advantage is no mystery.  This doesn't, however, invalidate and of the facts listed above.  Leave behind the names and labels and speak in your own fucking words.  Probably not...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:03 | 2026021 Boxed Merlot
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Minerals, oil, metals are used in ever increasingly more efficient ways... The only pseudo exception being monetary metals...


As mentioned earlier, a US kennedy era quarter will purchase roughly the same amount of gasoline today as it did when it was first minted.  For this reason alone, I seriously doubt we have hit the "peak oil" fulcrum. 


Banish the frn and its money changing adherants.  Restore sound currency and productivity will become popular again.  imo.


Trying to live and function in a system with wildly fluctuating and competing intrinsic, face and numismatic/collector values all sanctioned by our governing authorities is the breeding ground for duplicity, deceit, decay and death.  Bogus currency is a far worse threat than roving bands of third world youths preventing US concerns from exploiting their respective nations natural resources. imo. 


As for "finite resources", humans have cultivated the soil for thousands of years after discovering a single grain / kernal planted can return 300-400X annually.  The necessary ingredients are knowledge, hard work, personal property rights and voluntary adherance to the rule of law.  It may not be rocket science, nor take the smartest man in the room to perform the task but it beats having to depend on war, theft and deceit to feed oneself.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:23 | 2025879 Yen Cross
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 ( Core Austrian Economics)   I like you already! Should I load up @ 1.20, or let the banksters blow out the weak longs?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:55 | 2025925 SgtShaftoe
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I have no idea. I'm buying gold, silver and miners. That's the closest to a sure thing I've ever seen in all my days, and the positions are relatively liquid in case of sovereign risk. (you will see any gov moves from a mile away and should have time to react.) Other resources may be manipulated (down) as well and may present opportunities (oil/stocks), but silver is traded at volumes that are beyond reasonable belief 1.x times annual production per week!! That will not last, something's got to give, and the Austrians are bring proved more correct every day, which will increase the momentum.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:27 | 2025886 Yen Cross
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 I'm stumbling over my -1! Ouch that hurt!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:46 | 2025910 dark pools of soros
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just get them hooked on tranny porn

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:10 | 2025997 evolutionx
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Independent News Overview

I found a intersting News Overview that gives a compact sight on alternative economic media:


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:39 | 2026013 TerraHertz
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The Science is In: Global Warming Is a Complete and Total Scientific Lie and an Outright Fraud
Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul
Some quotes:
"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen." - Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe." - emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

"We require a central organizing principle - one agreed to voluntarily. Minor shifts in policy, moderate improvement in laws and regulations, rhetoric offered in lieu of genuine change - these are all forms of appeasement, designed to satisfy the public’s desire to believe that sacrifice, struggle and a wrenching transformation of society will not be necessary." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation." - Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies

"The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are." - Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

"Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control." - Professor Maurice King

"Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable." - Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit

"Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it." - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

"The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet." - Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

"The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil." – Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview

"My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world." -Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." - Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

"... the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion." - Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund

"I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems." - John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing." - Christopher Manes, Earth First!

"Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing." - David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
The above quote is Excerpted from "The First Global Revolution" which is a publication of "The Club of Rome" (made the best seller list in 1991)

"The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."
-- Bill Gates (in public speech with published video)
NASA Global Warming Alarmist Endorses Book That Calls For Mass Genocide
Dr James Hansen: Eco-fascist author who wrote that industrial civilization should be destroyed "has it right"

Profitable Depopulation Plot Links JP Morgan-Chase And Goldman Sachs To Vaccination Contaminations And BigPharma Corruption
By Dr. Leonard Horowitz


Global Warming Alarmist Calls For Eco-Gulags To Re-Educate Climate Deniers
A Finnish environmentalist guru has gone further than any other global warming alarmist in openly calling for fascism as a necessary step to save the planet from ecological destruction, demanding that climate change deniers be “re-educated” in eco-gulags and that the vast majority of humans be killed with the rest enslaved and controlled by a green police state, with people forcibly sterilized, cars confiscated and travel restricted to members of the elite.

Scientific American: Kill More Babies To Save Earth
Following the leak of a United Nations blueprint which outlined the plan to replace fearmongering about global warming with the contrived threat of overpopulation, a Scientific American report mimics precisely that talking point, pushing the notion that programs of mass abortion and birth control need to be encouraged in order to reduce the amount of humans on the planet exhaling carbon dioxide.
... in other peoples' countries, of course.

Russian activist disappears after exposing vaccination plans for Russia, Ukraine and Belarus
November 7, 2010 by Declan O'Shea

US Tells Russia That Time For “Apocalypse Equation” Is Now
Audrey Tomason - Obama’s Director for Counterterrorism - planned and controlled genocide

Drop in U.S. birth rate is the biggest in 30 years
The maternity business has experienced a recession, too, it appears. Births fell 4% from 2007 to 2009, the biggest drop for any two-year period since the mid-1970s, according to federal government data released Thursday.
Historically, birth rates tend to increase during times of social stress, as the instinct to perpetuate the species kicks into overdrive and resources to sublimate the sex drive into other hobbies are unavailable.

So why the dramatic drop?

Here are two possible clues!

Children of the Corn

    Hein explained that they had taken antibodies from women with a rare condition known as immune infertility, isolated the genes that regulated the manufacture of those infertility antibodies, and, using genetic engineering techniques, had inserted the genes into ordinary corn seeds used to produce corn plants. In this manner, in reality they produced a concealed contraceptive embedded in corn meant for human consumption. “Essentially, the antibodies are attracted to surface receptors on the sperm,” said Hein. “They latch on and make each sperm so heavy it cannot move forward. It just shakes about as if it was doing the lambada.”15 Hein claimed it was a possible solution to world “over-population.” The moral and ethical issues of feeding it to humans in Third World poor countries without their knowing it he left out of his remarks.

This "sterilizing" corn was developed more than ten years ago!

    Scientists have created the ultimate GM crop: contraceptive corn. Waiving fields of maize may one day save the world from overpopulation.

    The pregnancy prevention plants are the handiwork of the San Diego biotechnology company Epicyte, where researchers have discovered a rare class of human antibodies that attack sperm.

So, we take this development of GM corn designed to prevent pregnancy, couple it with a rigidly enforced policy in the United States that GM foods are not labeled as such, and then look at the sudden drop on birth rate....

Need I say more?

The record is filled with instances where natural varieties of plants have been contaminated with pollen from GM plants. The "Roundup-Ready" gene has broken into the wild leading to the spontaneous emergence of weeds immune to Glyphosate weed killers. Farmers convinced to buy GM seeds and use Roundup weed killers are now stuck with crops that produce less food, are unable to reproduce themselves, and now have a worse weed problem than before they started. Farmers in India are committing suicide by the thousands as GM seeds purchased on credit fail to produce crops to pay back the loans.

As Fukushima has shown, man is not always in control of his dangerous technologies, and genetic engineering is the most dangerous technology yet tinkered with.

If that gene that makes the corn produce anti-sperm antibodies escapes into the wild, as the Roundup Ready gene did, then humankind's doom is sealed.

"In the first step of Delft University's new technical approach, the human waste will be dried. Then the waste will be gasified using plasma, which is created by microwaves in tailor-made equipment."

See also the Agenda 21 folder. Agenda 21 is one expression of the global cull.

Potbelly Globalists Want You Dead – The Kissinger Report

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:17 | 2026223 my puppy for prez
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Wow....I have read most of these quotes, but have never had them in ONE PLACE!  Thanks for the good work.  I will copy and paste to distribute to all my deceived greenie acquaintances!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:29 | 2026044 TerraHertz
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For over a century, the core Elites have been aware that there is a problem with population. Their consensus conclusion is that natural progression of global population rise combined with resource depletion and ecological damage will inevitably lead to a chaotic global socio-industrial collapse and massive dieoff. In which the Elites would die along with everyone else - an aspect of that scenario they find unacceptable.

They are unfortunately correct in this analysis - lacking certain 'unexpected' technological developments, such as cheap, small scale, non-contaminating fusion power, which could allow for civilization to continue through a high population peak, then a long decline to more sensible levels to suit life on Earth. The problem with _that_ scenario is that the Elites would lose control. In a world where they lost their monopoly on energy and thus resources, they'd become mere ordinary people. Also a completely unacceptable outcome, in their minds. So we won't be having any small, cheap fusion generators; not if the Elites can help it.

Another problem with a chaotic global social collapse, is that humans would lose the industrial and scientific capability to maintain containment on all the nuclear reactors, weapons and waste repositories. Over the course of a few centuries ALL of these would corrode/erode/leak to the environment, and their contents spread through the ecosystem. I have seen no formal estimates, but my _guess_ is that the amount of long-lived radioisotopes (and thus background radiation level) would be sufficient to wipe out all higher forms of life on Earth, and suppress re-evolution for possibly billions of years.
This is a highly undesirable scenario. Though, I suspect it's not one at the forefront of Elite thinking. They just want to stay on top, of whatever social structure they can construct after their precious global cull. Naturally they assume they can 'manage' the transition to a much lower population in a controlled way, and likely don't consider what may happen if it goes wrong. Or maybe their reasoning is along the lines "we're dead if we leave population growth alone, and only maybe dead if we cull it. So let's do it."

Their solution? They believe technological society (with them in charge) can best continue with a total global population under one billion. Figures between 500 million and 900 million are typical, and can frequently be found in Elitist writings. Naturally that smaller population must include all of the current Elites, and they must still be the ones in control - which makes the method of getting there a bit tricky. How do you kill 6+ billion people, while preserving the essential industrial infrastructure, holding onto power, AND not getting yourself identified as mass murderers and lynched?

There are multiple 'slow-kill' programs in effect, that reduce population growth by increasing death rates. Aspartame for instance - 'Coke Zero' is one of their little jokes. As is AIDS. The H1N1 vaccine was another try for a very large scale slow kill - if the public belief in the scare campaign had been greater, with widespread take up of the offered 'first in a series of three' shots, then the third shot would have included trace amounts of live oncogene carrying virus. Result: massive fatalities by random cancers over a timescale of a few years. Nothing that could be pinned on the H1N1 scare originators.

However the final mass kill has to be done by some means that results in a die-off so rapid there isn't time for the dying to realize what's been done to them, and either retaliate or randomly mess up the infrastructure. An essential requirement is that the event must seem like a 'tragic unforeseen accident', with no one to blame and therefore deserving of multiple nuclear cruise missiles to their location. The only way to do this is via biological agent - a fast acting highly fatal 'new' disease, with only the Elites and their 'chosen' having immunity.

Apart from the actual agent (which it's fair to assume is a solved problem), there are a couple of requirements for this. One is a means of global widespread delivery. The second is a means to obscure the nature of the event, and prevent any organized reaction.
Delivery would be easiest via aerial spraying. Which is what the 'chemtrail tankers' fleet is for. No, it isn't doing anything particularly bad at present, apart from the usual slight raising of mortality rates via barium/aluminum particulate poisoning. It's masquerading as a mysterious government-run weather modification program, or whatever. But really it's maintaining and exercising necessary assets, keeping them ready for the day when the mass-kill ingredient is quietly added to the tanks.

However obscuring the event and related actions, and preventing organized reaction - in the Internet age that is going to take serious work. It will require a massive series of events, sufficient to heavily distract everyone with panic and despair. It will require the Internet to be completely down for most people - and that's what tools like SOPA and the years of planning behind that ( are for. Even mainstream international media should be out of action, since you never know if the staff might decide to ignore their Elite managers and connect dots that they shouldn't.

The problem with such events is that they have to be both large and seem accidental. This means they have to be worked up to in stages, as if a natural and unforeseen cascade of ever larger disasters. Among which a cascading economic disaster is an obviously required actor.
It is in this context that one should view ALL of the apparently insane developments in economics, banking, politics and military action. Sure, 99.9% of the people involved have no clue where all this is going, and are just in it for personal gain or 'doing their job'. And yet, all through the system things trend towards breakdown in ways that seem as if someone is pushing them there, instead of away.
It can't be easy, working to destroy national and global economies while still supporting the appearance of at least _trying_ (albeit incompetently) to preserve them.

What you're looking at with this Internet-control, military detention, HFT-algorithms, currency destruction, MF-Global market-trust destruction, etc, is 'trigger preparation'. The ability to cause certain stages of the collapse cascade on demand, to optimize the timing with other events.

It is important to understand that for those in the apex of the Elites, there is no profit motive. Only power. They own virtually everything and they create the money. So long as they retain their control and originate the paper everyone else uses as money, they will remain. And they are trying to kill 6 billion people, while making it look as if they had nothing to do with it, and still come out on top.

Quite a juggling act.

You can tell the act is coming to it's finale, by the fact that the top visible actors no longer seem to care about 'legal consequences'. Because they know there soon isn't going to be any structure to enforce any laws but the law of force. Nothing matters now, except who holds the most gold.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 19:43 | 2027224 Cathartes Aura
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another excellent post TerraHertz, so refreshing to read a post that takes a few steps back from single topic issues and begins to tie up apparent loose, "random" threads, which are always connected to the whole fabric. . .

Apart from the actual agent (which it's fair to assume is a solved problem), there are a couple of requirements for this. One is a means of global widespread delivery. The second is a means to obscure the nature of the event, and prevent any organized reaction.
Delivery would be easiest via aerial spraying. Which is what the 'chemtrail tankers' fleet is for. No, it isn't doing anything particularly bad at present, apart from the usual slight raising of mortality rates via barium/aluminum particulate poisoning. It's masquerading as a mysterious government-run weather modification program, or whatever. But really it's maintaining and exercising necessary assets, keeping them ready for the day when the mass-kill ingredient is quietly added to the tanks.

major props for even mentioning this, since most refuse to take it on board, for whatever reasons. . . that NATO countries are being sprayed daily, and many millions refuse to "see" what is happening just above their realities is still astonishing to me, though less so as the years pass & my idealism wanes. . .

I agree humanity is getting close to a massive "event" - who knows how or when it will be orchestrated, but "they" are getting very sloppy with the information leaks - intentional? - and really, it all comes down to each individual experiencing what they must/will - perspective will define conflicting realities, same as it ever was, no one gets out alive, etc. etc.

and with(in) that, we continue to witness, exist until we don't.

best wishes for an interesting 2012.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 22:16 | 2027496 TerraHertz
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Thanks for the praise!
It's a shame ZH has no PM facility.

If you're interested in off-board contact, here's a throwaway email:

I'll check it for a few days.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:32 | 2026045 CTG_Sweden
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I think that it would have been great if the US, Canada, Western Europe and Australia had supported birth control aggressively from 1975 and onwards. It´s a pity that they didn´t. It was a great idea, but they didn´t support this idea. Ask yourselves why they didn´t support this idea but could send billions in foreign aid and topple regimes in various 3rd world countries. I think the reason is that they want overpopulation and poverty in third world countries so that people don´t want to stay there and instead prefer to migrate to Europe and the US. That is probably also why they haven´t forced oil and mining companies operating in the third world to pay the same wages as in Europe, the US and Canada.


In addition to aggressive birth control methods, such as Indira Gandhis sterilization program, foreign aid could have focused on building sustainable pension systems. People who saved money in pension funds could have been rewarded with a bonus from countries that otherwise would have given traditional foreign aid. I suspect that this kind foreign aid would have been far more cost-efficient. Especially in the long run since it would have encouraged people to have less babies. If people get a pension they don´t need lots of children in order to be sure that someone can support them when they are old. About 6 or 7 years after a new law which gave senior citizens a small pension had been enacted (in 1913), birth rates in Sweden dropped significantly and were stabilized at a lower level, see:


When people saw that their older relatives and friends got their pension they realized they didn´t need as many kids as in the past. The dropping birth rates probably made unemployment problems in Sweden smaller in the late 1930s (working-class people began working when they were 12 during the Interwar period in Sweden). Swedish families could also save more and there were more money available for investments. By 1950, the average worker could afford to buy and operate a used, mid-/late 1930s American car. By the late 1950s he could afford a brand new, European economy-class car such as the VW Beetle.


I think that India could have been a richer country if they had continued Indira Gandhi´s sterilization program, encouraged pension savings and had made too expensive weddings illegal or too costly. Indian peasants can spend 10,000 USD on a wedding instead of buying a used tractor and fertilizers. Instead of encouraging a rational behaviour by tax penalties and tax incentives they are now looking for more foreign investors. I suspect that it would have been easier to make the Indian economy grow faster if they had not discontinued the attempts to reduce overpopulation.  

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:42 | 2026050 hivekiller
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Stop providing welfare and vaccines and the problem will resolve itself. The system is self correcting when man doesn't intervene. 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:24 | 2026104 tip e. canoe
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Stop providing [corporate] welfare and [prosecution] vaccines and the problem will resolve itself.

there fixed it for you

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:56 | 2026055 Andre
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There are several problems wit the "controlled" idea of population reduction, which have never been addressed.

  1. Who is in control? Plus the related question, cuis custodiet ipsos custodes?
  2. How do you do this without reducing the population to the level of slave - and all slavery implies, intellectually, morally, physically, spiritually, and economically?

We are facing the real possibility our fate is to be handed over to something far worse than a cave man - an 18th century aristocracy. At least the chief of a cave tribe had the humility to realize fire that burned others could burn him as well. Aristocrats tend to think they are beyond harm, regardless of their actions. Compassion does have a part to play here, as well as humility.

There is an old Leslie Fish song, "Better than who?" Relevant to this topic and worth a listen.

Re birth control - actually, I need to find the chart (it is out on the net somewhere). but the last one I saw had the non-hispanic population of the US at below replacement levels. The population of Japan basically had them at dead as a nation in 50 years or so - before Fukushima.


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:12 | 2026101 tip e. canoe
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wonder when the Aristopubes will figure out the whole Darwin thing about how if us plebes get to sit at least the bottom rung of Maslow's pyramid (food, water, shelter, liberty, opportunity), we won't breed as much due to lack of fear of having our genes not reproduce.

Note to Lords & Princesses : that means all of us all over the world bitches.  Let Shit Go or Mother Nature will do it for you.  don't forget, Peak Population's a Bitch. 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 07:44 | 2026171 AnAnonymous
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The problem with population control is that it is oriented by US citizens.

The article is clear on that: US demand was planned to rise and this demand needed room to express itself.

It is classical extortion business: the extorter wants optimal number of extorters: not too few they can not yield that much wealth, not that too many they can organize to resist extortion.

US citizenism is the key.

No matter where they express, US citizens treat the issues the same, with the same pattern and the same preset conclusion:

anything good happening is due to themselves
anything bad happening is due to others.

The banking crisis is not due because of a so called nature of bankers. It was due because of US citizenism.

Bankers are just that: US citizens who happened to be bankers.

For the overpopulation meme, the same. Site regulars usually come with maths never lie, maths never lie etc...

Where are the maths? Where are the centers of aggregated demand? Who is doing the bulk of consumption?

China has implemented birth control but as US citizenism is spreading to China, their consumption has been on the increase.

What matters is not the number of non consumers, or light consumers. What matters is the number of heavy consumers.

Heavy numbers are for the very most of them US citizens.

Killing the light consumers is scrapping the barrels, freeing little resources to try to cover the very fact that the consumption dent put on the Earth is done by US citizens.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:44 | 2026121 DeltaDawn
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Misplaced reply.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 06:32 | 2026139 Sandmann
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Why references to Mengele ? He was an Anthropologist with a focus on Hereditary Characteristics. That is completely different from assessing countries with burgeoning birth rates unable to feed themselves and saved from Malthusian Checks by NGOs and Us food aid. It is no secret that every violent upsurge is associated with a high male adolescent population outpacing economic development as in much of the Muslim World just as in Germany in the 1900s. If US foreign policy did not address this issue it would be unique. The demographics of Germany and Italy and Japan and Russia today provide fears for their declining populations in contrast to Britain which has the prospect of being second only to Russia in population by 2025 and no resources but plenty of atomic weapons.

So far the Middle East and Western Europe have absorbed huge numbers of surplus populations from LDC states, but land availability is not matched to population generation in these countries so at some stage Lebensraum will be needed. Maybe the old Imperial Model was better with West Europeans controlling colonies rather than ceding control to corrupt elites and Chinese mineral corporations ?


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 08:43 | 2026201 Raskolnikoff
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Aids, you lose your morals and you lose your life, it's quite simple.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:00 | 2026212 rsnoble
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First off, as far as the US is concerned there shouldn't be any talk of homelessness, food shortages, etc. But our leaders have the whole world to worry about, since they think they own the entire planet.  And their putting us on the fast track to tent city for these globalist bullshit ideas.

Send all our corn and cows to china and then worry about food shortages?  Fuck these people.

Everyone called me nuts when made the comment about overseas riots over 2 years ago when  I said "enjoy the preshow Hillary, you fucking cunt."  Well here are.  Oh and it gets better, the end result is Egypt when the sheeple are finally nothing but bleeding scabs with ribs showing and it doesn't matter if you fucking die or not so then all hell breaks lose. I do like that Celente quote "when people lose it all, they lose it."  Believe me, it's not like our fearless jackass leaders are just gona roll over and hand us the keys. Nope, we're fucked I assure you of that right now.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:01 | 2026296 KickIce
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I think a simple vote would settle it all.  All pro votes would of course be first in line for the gas chamber / lethal injection (after all, we are a civilized society) because I'm sure all these courageous people would want to lead from the front.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:35 | 2026488 SaudiMail
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Can we assume that the office of President no longer exists, it is now the office of God?

And they can't understand why people all over the world hate them, like they are supposed to be grateful for the illegal wars, drone attacks and sanctions that America has blessed their countries with.

When is someone going to do something about these psychopaths?  When are Bush & Co going to be arrested for war crimes?  When are the financial terrorists known as Wall Street going to be investigated for fraud?   Because if somebody doesn't stop them they will run out of brown skinned Muslims, then it will be the turn of the old, sick, disabled, unemployed ......................and somewhere along the line, average traders.



Mon, 01/02/2012 - 11:58 | 2026543 afriend2u
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The naturally occurring A(H5N1) virus is quite lethal without genetic tinkering. It already causes an exceptionally high death rate in humans, more than 50 percent. But the virus, a type of bird flu, does not often infect people, and when it does, they almost never transmit it to one another.

“You are not going to believe this one,” he told Ron Fouchier, a virologist at the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam. “I think we have an airborne H5N1 virus.”

The news, delivered one afternoon last July, was chilling. It meant that Dr. Fouchier’s research group had taken one of the most dangerous flu viruses ever known and made it even more dangerous — by tweaking it genetically to make it more contagious.

50% Kill = Population/resource utilization problem solved.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 13:17 | 2026735 CitizenPete
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Serve it up at a Billderburg or Trilatteral meeting.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:29 | 2026865 Atomizer
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Feb 2011

White House Briefing on Federal Agency Operational Plans to Implement the National HIV/AIDS Strategy 

Barney frank's boyfriend has stepped up to share his HIV condition. 

We really have come a long way to continue refunding the ESF

*****What I have been afraid to blog about: THE ESF AND ITS HISTORY (Part 1-5)*****


White House cartoon characters are desperately forming the minds of serfs to donate to the NGO Providers, while advocating humanity efforts for only 2 dollars a day.. Obama is still hosting 3 dollars for dinner. 

I want my $2

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 18:29 | 2027144 ebear
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Nuke them from orbit.  It's the only way.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:36 | 2027708 covert
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no, secretly poision the food supply with contraceptives.


Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:36 | 2027712 Braverdave
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This reminds me of ...

One of the best science fiction stories I have ever read: Man achieves space travel beyond our own solar system and the story is about our first contact with others civlizations. Aliens (moties) are trapped in their solar system (the mote) with limited resources and the 'cycles' they experience. A continual rise and fall of their society from savagery to civility - again and again and again. And then they meet us (or we meet them).

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:42 | 2027713 Braverdave
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oops - double post - sorry :)


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