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Presenting The Russian Naval Base In Tartus, Syria, Or Good Luck UN Security Council

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The world is suddenly aflutter in its usual fake indignation (how many times have we seen this) having realized what has been going on in Syria for months on end. It was none other than the Headhunter In Chief who "condemned the "unspeakable assault" Saturday by Syrian forces on the city of Homs, a sustained attack that activists say killed more than 200 people in what may be the bloodiest confrontation of the uprising against Bashar Assad's regime.  The assault sparked fierce international outcry ahead of a meeting Saturday of the U.N. Security Council, where the U.S. and other nations are pushing for a vote on an Arab League-backed resolution calling for Assad to step down." Needless to say, just like in the case of Libya, both China and Russia are now a confirmed veto for any security council resolution that enforces a regime change, no fly zone, or what have you. Only this time the stake for Russia (and China as well, as Syria is nothing but a gateway to Iran), are far higher. And as Zero Hedge noted regarding Iranian developments yesterday, "We've seen this play by play many times before and frankly at this point the posturing is getting just silly. What we do want to find out, however, is how will Russia get involved in all of this. Because if recent actions are any precedent, we fully expect Putin to send an aircraft carrier, purely symbolically, in the Arabian Sea himself, just to indicate that any invasion, pardon, liberation, of Iran crude, will first have to go through him. And not to mention China... or India." Sure enough, speaking of aircraft carriers, it was none other than the Russian navy's aircraft carrier Kuznetsov that landed at the Russian naval base in Tartus "in support of the al-Assad regime" back in November, and it is the Tartus base that is arguably one of the most critical locations for the US military vis-a-vis developments in the middle east. And here is why Russia will block any attempt by the west to impose its own will in Syria.

The Russian naval base in Tartus, Syria.

Tartus hosts a Soviet-era naval supply and maintenance base, under a 1971 agreement with Syria, which is still staffed by Russian naval personnel. The base was established during the Cold War to support the Soviet Navy's fleet in the Mediterranean Sea. During the 1970s, similar support points were located in Egypt and Latakia, Syria. In 1977, the Egyptian support bases at Alexandria and Mersa Matruh were evacuated and the ships and property were transferred to Tartus, where the naval support base was transformed into the 229th Naval and Estuary Vessel Support Division. Seven years later, the Tartus support point was upgraded to the 720th Logistics Support Point.

In 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed and its Mediterranean fleet, the 5th Mediterranean Squadron which was composed of ships from the North Sea Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet, ceased its existence. Since then, there have been occasional expeditions by Russian Navy vessels and submarines to the Mediterranean Sea. The naval logistics support base in Syria is now part of the Black Sea Fleet. It consists of three floating docks of which one is operational, a floating workshop, storage facilities, barracks and other facilities.

Since Russia forgave Syria of three-fourths, or $9.6 billion, of its $13.4 billion Soviet-era debt and became its main arms supplier in 2006, Russia and Syria have conducted talks about allowing Russia to develop and enlarge its naval base, so that Russia can strengthen its naval presence in the Mediterranean. Amid Russia's deteriorating relations with the West, because of the 2008 South Ossetia War‎ and plans to deploy a US missile defense shield in Poland, President Assad agreed to the port’s conversion into a permanent Middle East base for Russia’s nuclear-armed warships. Since 2009, Russia has been renovating the Tartus naval base and dredging the port to allow access for its larger naval vessels.

On September 8, 2008, ten Russian warships docked in Tartus. According to Lebanese-Syrian commentator Joseph Farah, the flotilla which moved to Tartus consisted of the Moskva cruiser and four nuclear missile submarines. Two weeks later, Russian Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered battlecruiser Peter The Great, accompanied by three other ships, sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk. The ships would cover about 15,000 nautical miles (28,000 km) to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy. Dygalo refused to comment on reports in the daily Izvestia claiming that the ships were to make a stopover in the Syrian port of Tartus on their way to Venezuela. Russian officials said the Soviet-era base there was being renovated to serve as a foothold for a permanent Russian navy presence in the Mediterranean.

In 2009, RIA Novosti reported that the base would be made fully operational to support anti-piracy operations. It would also support a Russian naval presence in the Mediterranean as a base for "guided-missile cruisers and even aircraft carriers".


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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:36 | 2126589 Mongo
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Luck, is there such an element in todays environment?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:02 | 2126699 Turd Ferguson
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Some additional color from your friends at The Mossad:

and then there's this, too:

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:14 | 2126744 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Why do people cite DEBKA?  What are its credentials?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:17 | 2126754 Joeman34
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Why would Al-Assad stage a bloody raid the day before a UN meeting.  This guy has a death wish...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:32 | 2126788 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yeah, or, he didn't.  Can you say, "False flag"?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:54 | 2126814 greyghost
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well i for one am questioning why only the  city of homs is the only one we hear about? are there no other cities in syria? is this much to do about nothing? the revolution nobody showed up for? well i do see that the city of homs is on one end of the bekaa valley with the jew boys on the other end of the valley. and the poor lebanese stuck in the middle...ouch.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:00 | 2127002 palmereldritch
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well i for one am questioning why only the  city of homs is the only one we hear about?

More sacrifice as a part of their sun god worship?

The Roman Emperor Alexander Severus, who was emperor from 222 to 235, was Syrian. His cousin Elagabalus, who was emperor from 218 to 222, was also Syrian and his family held hereditary rights to the high priesthood of the sun god El-Gabal at Emesa (modern Homs) in Syria

Knights Templar reunion?

Speed bump on the road to Armageddon?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:09 | 2127240 trav7777
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Putin only has one aircraft carrier.  It can't launch planes with heavy strike packages because it is a STOBAR carrier with SU27s.  As a force projection tool, it's of relatively low value compared to CATOBAR CVs

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:37 | 2127288 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Damn it Trav, we were discussing important Illuminatti shit, why'd you have to get technical?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:48 | 2127090 smb12321
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Watch the effing news where you'll see (almost daily) reports from Damascus, Homs, Hama, Daraa and even Latakia.  You Tube has some pretty graphic videos of protesters being slaughtered by forces loyal to Assad.  How can anyone with an atom of sense say this is about nothing when it is everyday folks being killed.  Is this some kind of alternate universe where Syria is a bastion of liberty and Assad is Abraham Lincoln?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:40 | 2127291 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Abe ain't who you think he is.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:30 | 2127543 thatthingcanfly
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What? A murdering psychopathic tyrant who set the precedent for (among other things) the Nazi holocaust (according to them!) and whose visage should be blasted off the face of Mt. Rushmore?


Ain't he?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:42 | 2128387 smb12321
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I know that!   He's the chef of the Grand Lord Master on the mother ship.   Haven't all ZH posters seen the You Tube video proving that beyond a doubt?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:43 | 2127295 pazmaker
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SMB it is because they want to believe that everything is a controlled conspiracy that runs like clockwork like as if all peoples are puppits being controlled constantly by the powerful elite.....   It seems like those that comment on ZH think everything is a conspiracy or on the opposite side of the spectrum believe everything they hear in the MSM, when the truth is most likely found somewhere in the middle.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:45 | 2127939 palmereldritch
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You will never know the middle without plumbing the depths of the spectrum's limits

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:23 | 2128003 smb12321
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It's a no-win situation.  Their frustration has let them believe that world events happen not because folks are  lazy, stupid, evil or greedy.  No, a nefarious cabal has been working for centuries to guide history.  The trouble is that the sound economic message cannot be heard over the rambling.  And then there's the contradiction of talking about liberty while clapping for Iran,  Russia and Syria.   

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:25 | 2127526 greyghost
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and israel is nothing more than a communist state, what with all those communes. didn't you learn that karl marx and his buddy engels were jewish and communism is a jewish invention? why do you think that there was such a hatred between the nazis and the communists? which came first? was it all really about communism or was it about the jew? or could it be about both, since the communist leaders in germany were jewish? what was "the white rose" fifth leaflet in munich 1943?  so many questions and so little time! and by the way...just how does one tell exactly where in the middle east the you tube video was really shot....syria...cairo...israel...could be shot on the back lot in hollywood?????? homs is the goto city of the lame stream media!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:56 | 2127713 trav7777
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Karl Mordechai and Lev Bronstein...just another way to hide and pretend you're something you're not.  Like Sumner Redstone or Ralph Lauren.

Do not identify

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 06:57 | 2128210 jeff montanye
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re: the white rose leaflet, munich 1943 (one graveyard brave woman):

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:40 | 2128382 smb12321
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It's official.  You are truly delusional.  Your "defense" (that any event you don't like is staged) is aikin to holocaust deniers and moon landing skeptics. That anyone could intimate that the slaughter in Syria (reported by numerous independent accounts including videos) is staged ranks as one of the best (worst).  

What's astounding is that in the 21st century we are STILL obsessed over somebody's religion.  Postitively tribal. Using your "logic" the American Revolution was invalid since Thomas Paine was an atheist, Lafayette was a Frenchman and Washington owned slaves.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:36 | 2128779 chumbawamba
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Thou idiot.

Bugs Bunny is also on television.  Do you expect to go find him in some retirement neighborhood somewhere in North Hollywood?

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:15 | 2128106 meizu
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You assume that most of the violence are not committed by the muslim Brotherhood and the Free Syrian Army, who are blowing up civilian buses and killing civilians.  And what about Yemen, where 4000 people are killed, and its dictator is now in vacationing in US?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:59 | 2128312 Savvy
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Hollywood loaned Syrian rebels a few actors. That's your effing news.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:32 | 2128470 greyghost
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wow savvy hadn't seen that. i am not surprised. i always try to see things by "who has the most to gain" rule. all please note that now the good smb12321 has no statement. however smb12321 is off rambling on about thomas paine??? layafette???? and geo. washington?????

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:08 | 2127124 citrine
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"Last night, after 2 days of relative calm, there were reports that the Free Syrian Army had won some key positions in northern Homs, in the Bayada district, and the FSA had captured perhaps 75 pro-regime soldiers. There had also been reports of several major defections in the area. Despite a week of loses (predicted loses, but loses all the same), the opposition had used a few armored vehicles it had captured to score some strategic victories. At least in one city, it appeared that the FSA was still standing its ground." Dany Abdul Daym

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:40 | 2127294 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I think Syria is about to get hot.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:12 | 2127882 catacl1sm
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That city is a 'rebel' strong-hold. It's the most active, afaik.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:52 | 2128035 caconhma
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Assad masses loyal troops in Damascus after he was warned of a military coup
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 30, 2012

According to exclusive reports reaching debkafile, President Bashar Assad Sunday, Jan. 30, pulled in the Syrian Republican Guard and the 4th armored divisions commanded by his brother Maher Assad from the northern rebel centers and over to Damascus. He ordered them into battle positions in the capital for the first time in the ten month uprising after receiving an intelligence tipoff that western powers had won over one of the armored division commanders posted in the capital and persuaded him to stage a coup d'etat to topple him.

The renegade general, whose identity is unknown, was reported to be planning to take advantage of the absence of the most trusted regime troops in trouble spots across the country to lead 300 tanks into the capital and seize power.
The conspirators were planning to make their move on the night of Monday Jan. 30 or early Tuesday Jan. 31, just before the UN Security Council was to convene in New York and air plans for him to step down. The putsch would have presented its members with the accomplished fact of Assad's overthrow by the military.

The information passed to Assad, apparently from an external source, did not name the division commander who accepted this role from Western hands. If it turns out to be true, the scheme would strongly recall the US-led NATO-Qatari-Jordanian operation for the Libyan rebels to seize power in Libya by taking Tripoli by storm in the third week of August 2011.
Forewarned, the Syrian ruler is making every effort to ward off the threatened coup.

debkafile's military sources report that, aside from the Republican Guard and 4th division which Assad recalled to the capital, present there too are the 1st, 3rd and 9th armored divisions.

The fight rebel forces put up at the gates of Damascus Monday night was perceived by the Assad regime as part of the coup conspiracy. Western and military sources described the combat as a search, arrest and kill operation to wipe out the last vestiges of resistance around the capital, rather than battles.
Monday night, the White House issued a statement saying the UN Security Council must not let the Syrian President Assad continue the violence.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is scheduled to address the Council meeting Tuesday. She has urged the forum to act before the violence in Syria spills over and destabilizes its neighbors.

Moscow has made it very clear in recent weeks that it will on no account let the Assad regime go the way of Qaddafi. Russia is adamant about vetoing the Security Council motion the US and European powers are gathering Tuesday in New Yorkto table in support of the Arab League transition plan for a national unity government to rise in Damascus within two months and implement Assad's handover of power to vice president Farouk a-Shara. A Russian bid to bring the opponents to the negotiating table failed after the main Syrian opposition party demanded that Assad step down first.

At least 27 people were killed Monday in the central city of Homs – which was heavily shelled again - the northern province of Idlib and southern province of Daraa, where the revolt against Assad began in mid-March. Another 41 deaths were reported Sunday.The Syrian regime stepped up the violence in the days before the Security Council session to quell resistance and demonstrate its grip on the country.
debkafile reported earlier Monday, Jan. 30:

Ten months after the Syrian people launched an uprising against its ruler, Bashar Assad, if not yet safe in the saddle, has recovered the bulk of his army's support and his grip on most parts of the country

Protesters have mostly been pushed into tight corners in the flashpoint towns and villages, especially in the north, hemmed in by troops and security forces loyal to the president.

Monday, Jan. 30, Syrian forces were close to purging the suburbs and villages around Damascus of rebel fighters. The operation began Sunday with 2,000 troops backed by tanks and armored personnel carriers. Six soldiers were killed when their vehicle blew up on a roadside bomb near Sahnaya, east of the capital.

The rebel Free Syrian Army and opposition groups continue to report heavy fighting in the Damascus area, and especially the international airport where they claim to have prevented Assad's wife and children from fleeing the country. However, military watchers do not confirm either the fighting or the Assad family's attempted flight.

While both sides spin propaganda, the extreme hyperbole of opposition claims attests to their hard straits and the Syrian president's success in weathering their efforts and the huge sacrifices in blood paid by the people (estimated at 8,000 dead and tens of thousands injured) to oust him.

Having got rid of the Arab League monitoring mission, which gave up in despair of halting the savage bloodbath, Assad will shrug off the Arab-Western backed motion put before the UN Security Council Tuesday, Jan. 30, calling on him to step down and hand power to his vice president Farouk a-Shara. He will treat it as yet another failed effort by the combined Arab-Western effort to topple his regime.

The conflict is not over. More ups and downs may still be to come and there are signs of sectarian war evolving. But for now, Assad's survival is of crucial relevance in seven Middle East arenas:

1. The Tehran-Damascus-Hizballah bloc is strengthened, joined most recently by Iraq;

2. Iran chalks up a first-class strategic achievement for counteracting the US and the Saudi-led Gulf Arab emirates' presentation of the Islamic regime as seriously weighed down under by the crushing burden of crushing international sanctions imposed to halt its drive for a nuclear bomb.

3. Hizballah has won a chance to recover from the steep slide of its fortunes in Lebanon. The Pro-Iranian Lebanese Shiite group stands to regain the self-assurance which ebbed during Assad's hard times against massive dissidence, re-consolidate its bonds with Tehran, Damascus and Baghdad and rebuild its political clout in Beirut.

4. It is hard to calculate the enormous extent of the damage Saudi Arabia and Turkey have suffered from their colossal failure in Syria. The Palestinians too have not emerged unscathed.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and their security agencies, which invested huge sums in the Syrian rebellion's removal of the Assad regime, were trounced by Syria's security and intelligence services and the resources Iran provided to keep Bashar Assad afloat.

The Arab League, which for the first time tried its hand at intervening in an Arab uprising by sending observers into Syrian trouble spots to cut down the violence, watched impotently as those observers ran for their lives. Assad for his part first accepted than ignored the League's peace plan.
Turkey, too, after indicating its military would step across the border to support the Syrian resistance and giving the FSA bases of operation, backed off for the sake of staying on good terms with Iran.

5. Russia and China have gained credibility in the Middle East and points against the United States by standing up for Assad and pledging their veto votes against any strong UN Security Council motions against him. Moscow's arms sales and naval support for the Assad regime and China's new military and economic accords with Persian Gulf emirates have had the effect of pushing the United States from center stage of the Arab Revolt, held in the Egyptian and Libyan revolutions, to the sidelines of Middle East action.

6. The Syrian ruler survival and the cohesion of his armed forces have contributed to the tightening of the Iranian military noose around Israel.

The Syrian army was in sustained operation for almost a year without breaking and suffered only marginal defections. It is still in working shape with valuable experience under its belt in rapid deployment between battlefronts. Syria, Iran and Hizballah have streamlined the cooperation among their armies and their intelligence arms.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:11 | 2128100 JOYFUL
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Not sure of your purpose in posting such obvious COINTELPRO crap here, but assuming it was benign, thank you for the opportunity to peer into the mind of the dissimulationist.Some choice morsels, worthy of a bit of deconstruction:

a)"Having got rid of the Arab League monitoring mission, which gave up in despair of halting the savage bloodbath"

That blantant attempt to de-legitimize Syrian sovereignity by imposing the presence of puppet-oil satrapies failed miserably when they were unable to even get their own stooges[160 monitors, after one month of enquiries] to comply with a report confirming any signs of a "popular movement" against the regime, or repression against  it's own people. Here is the link to the official report's English translation - which was suppressed by the GCC before it was leaked!    Savage bloodbath of purple prose!!

b)"The rebel Free Syrian Army and opposition groups continue to report heavy fighting in the Damascus area,"

The so called rebel Free Syrian Army is an oxymoronic example of doublespeak worthy of Orwell's best moments: it is nothing more or less than yet another CIAQueda mercenary force literally commanded by the same monsters who were employed to attack Libyans on behalf of their ZATO masters  -  - Army of trough swilling swine would be a more accurate nomenclature, except I got nothing against swine, swillin or otherwise..."opposition groups "?!!?? - see below

c)Ten months after the Syrian people launched an uprising against its ruler,

Should be edited to read "ten months after the phony "syrian observatory for human rights" was tasked with inventing pretexts via a pr campaign to set up a boots on the ground invasion"[see ] ....

and saving the best for last,

d)The Syrian ruler survival and the cohesion of his armed forces have contributed to the tightening of the Iranian military noose around Israel.

The Iranian noose around Israel....what can you say to that one!!?!?! I guess it's totally fitting that the zio-propagandists indulge themselves in fantasies of closet erotic asphyxiation, just like their banker buddies' preferred way to off themselves! 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:05 | 2128212 jeff montanye
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and while we are at it, which is more morally reprehensible, killing civilians in support of one's own clearly threatened regime in one's own country (putatively assad) or killing them in other countries where the threat to one's own regime is tangential at best (obama, not even putatively since he brags about it)?  things that make you go hmmm?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:45 | 2128229 The Deleuzian
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I love the word 'CIAqueda'...'Al C.I.A.da' is a bit better though...It cuts and slashes like a mashete through the shrubbery...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:40 | 2127077 smb12321
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Yeah, everyone knows Assad is actually a tolerant believer in justice and liberty for all people.  (LOL)  Jesus Christ, the lunacy we descend to justify our ideology.  Israel wants him in power since although he's a thug at least Syria's under his control. He's simply the new Kim of Syria since daddy slaughtered tens of thousands. The REAL conflict is religious - wrestling control of the nation from the small Alawite sect that controls almost every institution.  Oh yeah, and the right to post Web comments without getting shot.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:02 | 2127391 phyuckyiu
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Riiiiiiiiight, because as we all know, bloggers now post without fear of reprisal in Egypy, Libya, and Tunisia, Right? RIGHT? FAIL.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:42 | 2127580 greyghost
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yeah and israel is so tolerant as long as your jewish...heaven help anyone not of that stripe. soooo israel wants assad because he is stable???? now i am LOL. so just where did israel go wrong with lebanon??????

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:45 | 2128392 rbg81
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No one is perfect, but compared to their Arab neighbors, Israel is a island of tolerance.  Just ask the Christians in Egypt how the "Arab Spring" is going.  Islamists want to purge the entire Middle East of anyone who isn't their flavor of Muslim. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:32 | 2128956 chumbawamba
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You know what else you learn on TeeVee?  That Israel is "the only democracy in the Middle East", that Barak Hussein "Nigger" Obama brought us Hope and Change, and that we can spend our way into prosperity.

With what other brilliant insights could you care to dazzle us, oh informed one?

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:10 | 2128214 jeff montanye
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european jews would have been safer settling in the immediate environs of the nazi death camps than going to palestine.  far, far safer.  and so would have been the rest of us.  thank you harry truman.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:25 | 2127444 Chuck Walla
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"I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war."


Braack Obama

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:05 | 2127510 Dugald
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A Dumb war....Oh right, as opposed to a smart 79 years I have not come across a single smart war....then again could be I'm dumb and missed, please, feel free to correct me..

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:16 | 2127889 catacl1sm
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The only ware we've been able to prevent in the last century was by JFK, during the Cuban missile crisis.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:30 | 2128111 Calmyourself
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Wow, nice quote braack.. I am only opposed to dumb presidents..

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:42 | 2127080 PontifexMaximus
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Because only with this ultimate determination he gets russian support in the UN, only doing so, as crucial it sounds...and is.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:22 | 2126767 dogismyth
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what are the credentials of ZH?  Tyler Durden?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:31 | 2126785 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Are you fucking serious?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:24 | 2126922 dogismyth
dogismyth's picture is a simple question.  What is his (?) background and credentials?  Are you illiterate?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:34 | 2126948 hondaicivic
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Credentials: The internet(free of government manipulation)

Background: Ph.D in Non government-sanctioned education


Conclusion: Beholden to no one.


Therefore: STFU dogismyth...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:36 | 2126954 dogismyth
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oh...I see now.  And maybe I can offer you a refinance of your house.  I have the same credential.

Now try answering the question....bully.  Or is that beyond your capacity?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:52 | 2127094 smb12321
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You don't understand their mentality.  You can agree on monetary policy, debt, banks, etc but if you disagree with them you get an avalanche of STFU or You're nuts or Get out of here.  I mean, it's just so damn juvenile to scream & currse at someone who happens to disagree with.  You have to wonder what's going on.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:52 | 2127214 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Are you stupid?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:54 | 2127218 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Well let's see, he was just quoted as a "source" from the best "source" on popular TV.  He was just used as a "source" on the most popular internet news site.  Tyler only has called the macro and micro from finance to geo-politics for years.  I think Tyler speaks for himself.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:11 | 2127244 trav7777
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that wasn't an answer...get off your knees

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:42 | 2127297 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Fuck you Trav.  It is an answer. 

Tyler has been steadily right about coming market moves and has produced great geo-political journalism.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 19:50 | 2127375 The Deleuzian
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Mother Nature's Son/Little Wing

It's a serious question worth a serious answer...But don't think for a second Trav doesn't have one...He's just pressing for critical thinking...

To answer Trav's question...There's nothing in Tyler's articles as far as facts are concerned that the unlazy can't find for themself...As far as his commentary and reasoning...Well, you wont find that anywhere else...So is Tyler a Propagandist...I suppose in the strict sense of the word...Yes...Seeing any written text with occasional audio could be taken as such...But it sure beats the hell out of CNBC...Or radio Moscow circa 1958 for that matter...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:59 | 2128862 trav7777
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you people can't resist having a king, can you?

this is not a personality cult

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:17 | 2129046 aaxiom
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Trav, I think many of us can simply be thankful without lionizing anyone. I also value your interesting insights and find I'm in agreement with them most of the time -- but certainly not all of the time -- as well. The fact that this forum has exposed me to both you and Tyler (and many others) is something for which I'm grateful.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:14 | 2129040 aaxiom
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Tyler correctly identified the structural problems with MFGlobal well in advance of its failure, giving me time to move metals outside of COMEX/NYMEX before the SHTF there. For this, I'm gladly in his debt.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:08 | 2127407 phyuckyiu
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His credentials are that he makes sense. If you feel you make sense, please start your own blog, so we can judge your opinions. But since all you do is diss others, and have nothing of your own, we'll assume you're a shill. Isn't that why any blog is popular, because people like it? Only fools like you require college degrees and articles in Time magazine before you feel anything is 'real'.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:39 | 2127683 Calmyourself
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Since we are all concerend about credentials of some blogger whom I can take or leave, believe or not..

How about POTUS credentials?  I would like to know his grades in college , I think it is important to see if he applied himself or slacked and smoked lots of ganja through college.  I would like to read anything he ever wrote while at Hahvard..  I would like a few gals he dated to tell us something about him as well as his professors at Coulmbia and Hahvard..  Because God knows I cannot take or leave the Potus..  Step up to the plate gentlemen..


By the way Latakia is the Syrian port hit by a stray US missile in the beginning of "Alas Babylon" which if you have not read it is something to find and read.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:04 | 2127964 palmereldritch
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The teleprompter will not be televised

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:10 | 2127748 sullymandias
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credentials? hyperlinks.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:38 | 2127820 famousamos
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Tyler has all the street cred he needs. If you want credentials, visit for a wdose of propagande from your nobel peace price winning president or read Nobel winning keynesian economist Paul 'asshat' Krugman. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:29 | 2127660 StychoKiller
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With PhDs flipping hamburgers, just what good are credentials?

Check yer premises.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:44 | 2126969 Colombian Gringo
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Dogismyth, you've been a member for over 2 years and you don't KNOW who Tyler Durden is, you cointelpro sack of shit?

Fuck off and take your trolling elsewhere


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:46 | 2126975 dogismyth
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:33 | 2127180 Shell Game
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Truth is known through deeds and history.  Great opinion takes truth and extrapolates current events with oustanding clarity.  Through my own due diligence, TD seems to offer both:  truth and excellent opinion pieces.  Beware the trappings of following pedigree.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 19:07 | 2127331 francis_sawyer
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What are your credentials for asking your question? you see the problem here?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:50 | 2128402 Max Hunter
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Exactly!  The posts on ZH are simply an alternative to the shit that is either mainstream or even other so called alternative media.  Who is qualified to report what goes on in the world? If a person cannot see the value in ZH reporting or opinions then they will have to dissent with more than "who the hell are you" in order to get respect.. It's not a Fuck you because you don't agree blog, it's a Fuck you if you have nothing real to offer as a response or dissent..

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:33 | 2127461 Chuck Walla
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Whats a  matter Dogistyle? Media Matters didn't prep you for this?  What exactly are your qualifications to critique?  Why would you possibly care what others get out of the place?  What business is it of yours why I or anyone comes here to read?   Only someone wanting to troll and discourage others would bother.


Is you the savior, the light of learning?  You haven't shown me a damn thing yet besides the smug arrogance so common among the young Socialist Progressives who still can't tell me why they support a political economic theory that has serially failed in various forms for 500 years, the current iteration of which is now Obama's blend of fascism and communism.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:13 | 2127752 sullymandias
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dogismyth, tyler durden prefers to remain anonymous. so his credentials are limited to his past actions and reporting under that pseudonym. seeing as you cannot get a degree under a pseudonym.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 04:32 | 2128139 merizobeach
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I would derive great pleasure from smashing your face with a baseball bat.  Those are my fucking credentials, shithead.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:00 | 2128868 trav7777
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:10 | 2127020 Think for yourself
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Good information stands on its own, regardless of source.

I will give much more weight to an anonymous analysis of the economy that creates a thorough model that actually makes sense rather than listening to an ivy league-approved Ph.D economist who makes contrived explanations that don't hold water but fit with the status quo theory and which only compels agreement based on the so-called authority of his credentials.

And since you don't know me I'm also de facto anonymous. Yet do my credentials matters in your appraisal of my position? If you approach it with an open, yet critical mind, they do not.

Which leads me to, as an a-propos, make a reminder of the inherent legitimacy of anonymous speech. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:45 | 2127692 robobbob
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Phd this Phd that. run the economy. need a Phd. arrange furniture. need a Phd. the world is drowning in experts with titles, degrees, and licenses. and look where the world is

this is the internet. only one credential carries any weight.


ZH has years of cutting edge, night before, behind the curtain, forbidden on MSM, tell it like it is truth. or at least opinions that aren't even allowed to be mentioned by the talking heads.

feel free to peruse years of archives and check them against what the official news of the day was. or how many musings months later turned into "just" breaking MSM stories.

just as long as Tyler(s) keep delivering the goods

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:57 | 2127714 limo_888
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Where is the goddam ignore button?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:50 | 2126985 americanspirit
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As long as you base your acceptance of a website's information on their attributed 'credibility' you're merely taking sides in an opinion contest. With regard to Debka, or ZH, or any other source of information, there are more important questions to be asked. Is the material presented as factual or as speculation or opinion. If factual, can it be independently verified. If speculation or opinion, is it based on or inferred from verifiable facts. What are the implicit motives in presenting the material and how it is presented. Is there a bias in how the facts are selected, or in how the speculation or opinion is structured? Who benefits. Has the source proven trustworthy in the past.

For what it's worth I consider Debka a source worth listening to and considering. There is no doubt that they have an agenda - it's pretty transparent. If it is a 'Mossad' operation it is pretty low-level - those guys are a lot smarter than many here seem to give them credit for. For a perspective on the ME I also read a wide variety of other ME news sources, and I compare notes. I also look at other news sources around the world, both independent and 'mouthpieces'.

So when someone questions or affirms a particular source's 'credibility', the intelligent response is - how do you know they are or are not credible, or is that just your opinion? While I don't know Tyler and the ZH crew, along with everyone here I know their work, and while I consider them to be among the most credible on the internet, do I 'believe in them?" Well, maybe emotionally, but intelligently I put what they say to the same tests that I do any other news source. And I'm sure they wouldn't have it any other way. And I am fucking serious.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:44 | 2127200 smiler03
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If more ZH readers were like you then we might get less idiotic postings on here. Sadly and ironically there are many sheeple here.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:55 | 2127220 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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You are a sheeple.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:30 | 2127458 americanspirit
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LH - you wouldn't know a sheeple if you were standing behind it with its hind legs in your waders.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:21 | 2128222 jeff montanye
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possible you mean a sheep.  sheeple are bipeds.  and, actually, it's dangerous to put hooves inside ones waders (or so i have heard):

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:36 | 2127472 gravedestruction
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How about a duckle?   kawak!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:35 | 2126794 Atomizer
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Why don't you take your lazy ass over too the following sites and find out..

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:40 | 2126965 The Alarmist
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TD Strikes me as being an analyst, possibly freelancing it these days, who took on the persona of a movie character and put a few good trademark symbols and sayings to good use to build a diverse web community.

What are your credentials, bozo?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:23 | 2127157 Uncle Remus
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Why did you go through the trouble of getting an account?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:48 | 2127204 Everybodys All ...
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Same as yours.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:48 | 2127302 Chain Gun Smoke
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The "Tyler Durden" has put off everyone I have tried to share this site with. If you wikipedia this site, it explains how it is used for anonymity. I understand it. I also understand how it puts people off.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:16 | 2127518 Totentänzerlied
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People still absorbed by the Old Media paradigm of friendly and upbeat young faces reading MSM-sanctioned-and-approved  (propaganda) statements and offering MSM-sanctioned-and-approved (propagandist) analysis from MSM-sanctioned-and-approved guests (propagandists) ... yeah they can stick to FoxNews, MSNBC, CNBC, MoJo, HuffPo, and every other state-approved Propaganda Delivery Service, the opinions (and observations, analysis, info, etc.) presented here would probably just confuse and enrage them anyway.

The Tylers really make no secret of the fact that they are biased in a certain direction on each and every issue. This direction happens to be roughly opposite of the (equally biased) MSM's almost without exception. That's all it comes down to. This isn't the NYT or The New Yorker, neither in style nor substance nor quality (it is in the latter two respects that ZH vastly exceeds any MSM publication).

I'll admit the Fight Club "theme", which honestly has such a minimal presence and essentially no substantive relevance, is a triviality: take it or leave it. But if someone can't separate style from substance there is little chance that he will be able to judge that substance on its merits. If someone doesn't read news for substance, or privileges style thereover, there are dozens of MSM publications he will absolutely adore.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:17 | 2127765 sullymandias
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Credentials? He fuckin' took down the headquarters of twelve major credit card companies overnight, instantly destroying the records of debts carried by everyday american people without a trace. Beat that!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:16 | 2127760 rufusbird
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The truth is self evident.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:21 | 2128153 Reptil
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Dogismyth, it's very simple dude: The credentials are in the information of the articles posted.
Some folks don't need "big daddy media" to show them what's real and what's not.

If that's all too difficult to comprehend, I'd recommend you CNBC. They tell you how and what to think. It's great, go there now. xbye

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 15:30 | 2126929 Randall Cabot
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DEBKA is an israeli/mossad propaganda front. Its reports are usually full of it but useful in keeping tabs on. This latest report doesn't even get the date right and says the Russian aircraft carrier is still in Tartus when it supposedly is long gone-who knows?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:51 | 2127846 jwoop66
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what news source is not propaganda?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:05 | 2128321 BorisTheBlade
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Those which represent pure facts without any elements of appealing to emotions, i.e. maybe none of them. Hell, I'm watching weather forecast and still think those fruckers have some agenda.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:00 | 2127001 Think for yourself
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Why would you disregard it? It has very important information within it, if you know the specific biases of the source and can read between the lines.

Because every communication contains the information transmitted (true or false, biased or not) but also implicitly the information of what the source wants you to believe.

Hence the importance of studying propaganda, although you don't agree with it. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:00 | 2127227 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I wasn't disregarding it.  Alex Jones uses it regularly, and Tyler talked shit on it a while ago.  I like Jones fine, but Durden > Jones, so....

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:16 | 2126751 Oh regional Indian
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One thing should be clear to all folk who knwo their navies here.

Russian systems are far more immune to any EMI/EMP than NATO/US etc. 

In ships they were Shipping to us (India) in the 90's, the gun control computers were exquisite mechanical devices. Try emp'ing that. Huge factor. 

I doubt that has changed TOO much. 

Equally importantly, the San Onofre thing is looking not good.

Any San Dieagans here? All calm after 800 pipes in 2 year old reactors were found damaged? Supplied by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries by the way.



Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:21 | 2126764 aerojet
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What bs.  Russian systems are also far more likely to sink below the waves unexepectedly!  Their navy is a complete basket case, unable to wage even a brief campaign.  The planes that fly off their carrier can't even carry a full load of bombs. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:26 | 2126777 Oh regional Indian
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Funny you should say that. I sailed for a long time in a Navy made mostly of Russian Ships. Even un-translated dials and manuals because we got them for trade in bananas and hawaiin flip-flops.

Those ships had amazing systems (Propulsion, armament, safety, lacked comfort is all), very sturdy compared to the british tubs we had, cheap to repair, highly mechanical orientation, superb all around.

American Battleships are like fighting resorts in comparison. Make you soft and over-dependent on technology.


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:40 | 2127075 citrine
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ORI, you reminded me of an old joke:

"When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity. To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface, and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees Celsius.

The Russians used a pencil."


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:50 | 2127210 smiler03
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Russian naval technology is supreme. They have Aircraft Carriers that can fly...

"it was none other than the Russian navy's aircraft carrier Kuznetsov that landed at the Russian naval base in Tartus".

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:12 | 2127249 Strelok
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Lol, I thought the same thing when I read that.  Or, they drove the thing into the ground...  oops.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 19:36 | 2127357 monkeyboy
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Damn! Now that's some Transformer's shit there!

Now I understand why all those Michael Bay ads have been shoved down the throats of the public for the last few years!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:02 | 2128878 trav7777
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are you people for real?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:11 | 2127243 Strelok
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Somebody disproved that the other day here on Zero Hedge. 

A common urban legend states that, faced with the fact that ball-point pens will not write in zero-gravity, NASA spent a large amount of money to develop a pen that would write in the conditions experienced during spaceflight (the result purportedly being the Fisher Space Pen), while the Soviet Union took the simpler (and cheaper) route of just using pencils.

Russian cosmonauts used pencils, and grease pencils on plastic slates until also adopting a space pen in 1969 with a purchase of 100 units for use on all future missions.[1] NASA programs previously used pencils (for example a 1965 order of mechanical pencils[2]) but because of the substantial dangers that broken-off pencil tips and graphite dust pose in zero gravity to electronics and the flammable nature of the wood present in pencils[2] a better solution was needed. NASA never approached Paul Fisher to develop a pen, nor did Fisher receive any government funding for the pen's development. Fisher invented it independently, and then asked NASA to try it. After the introduction of the AG7 Space Pen, both the American and Soviet (later Russian) space agencies adopted it.

In 2008, Gene Cernan's Apollo 17-flown space pen sold in a Heritage auction for US$23,900.[3]


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:30 | 2126784 Uncle Remus
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Let me guess - you're an Apple fanboi.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:01 | 2127003 dark pools of soros
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if Russia fights USA/NATO the planes will only have to carry one bomb anyway... it wouldn't be a tactical affair 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:13 | 2127252 trav7777
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totally correct...stobar carriers cannot launch planes with heavy strike packages.

Kuznetzov is intended, in accordance with russian naval doctrine, that CVs should merely project "fleet defense" air power, not do strikes.  A pretty lame doctrine.  The Russian navy is not to be taken seriously.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:58 | 2127719 robobbob
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no, but the hand on the pipeline valves should be.

it doesn't matter if they send a carrier, or an old tug boat. the line is draw.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:27 | 2128282 agent default
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Aircraft carrier strikes are something you can do against countries like Iraq.  Against a modern military, the aircraft carrier is about as effective as the Maginot line was against the Panzers. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:06 | 2128891 trav7777
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you're an idiot...

aircraft carriers have been decisive in any military war they've been used in.  They are highly effective against naval assets as well as littoral assets.

What they are obsolete against is asymmetric warfare tactics, NOT conventional militaries.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:17 | 2129490 agent default
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"aircraft carriers have been decisive in any military war they've been used in"

When was the last time that happened for real, Midway and Okinawa?  Attacking something like Iraq and Afghanistan, does not count.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:30 | 2127531 Dugald
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yes but keep in mind its all exquisitley Russians....of Lada and Trabbant understand that as I type this, I really am struggeling not to laugh..

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:36 | 2126796 disabledvet
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this port is a party palace...nothing more. i wouldn't take this port of call seriously. insofar as EMP'ing goes...that would be in case of a nuclear explosion of course...i'm not sure you'd be worrying about how well your electronics work at that point. and the Middle East is a "nuclear free fire zone" of course. it need not be as well...of course. should anyone really care it it becomes as such? i haven't heard any expressions of "peace or else" kinda talk actually. i do find THAT worrying!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:24 | 2127441 jwoop66
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When I was in the US navy, we trained to fight russian subs.   We were told how advanced and formidible they were.  At the time it was well known that their Migs were more advanced and deadly then our F-16's, and their tanks were better, stronger and faster then our Abrams battle tanks.  

In the time since we have seen our air force and navy decisively defeat any air force using Migs.  In the gulf war, three Abrams tanks took out 150 Russian tanks without them even knowing where we were(Saddam's army at the time was the second largest in the world, and after eight or so years of war; highly trained and experienced).  Also, since then at least two russian subs just outright sank.  

Draw your own conclusions about how superior their equipment is...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:24 | 2127791 sullymandias
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"Saddam's army at the time was the second largest in the world"

What nonsense.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:53 | 2127849 jwoop66
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so they said at the time.   who's was bigger, France? 

Wed, 03/07/2012 - 23:41 | 2234647 sullymandias
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China maybe?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:25 | 2127442 jwoop66
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When I was in the US navy, we trained to fight russian subs.   We were told how advanced and formidible they were.  At the time it was well known that their Migs were more advanced and deadly then our F-16's, and their tanks were better, stronger and faster then our Abrams battle tanks.  

In the time since we have seen our air force and navy decisively defeat any air force using Migs.  In the gulf war, three Abrams tanks took out 150 Russian tanks without them even knowing where we were(Saddam's army at the time was the second largest in the world, and after eight or so years of war; highly trained and experienced).  Also, since then at least two russian subs just outright sank.  

Draw your own conclusions about how superior their equipment is...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 20:29 | 2127455 jwoop66
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People that post their shit twice are stoopid

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:38 | 2127568 Taint Boil
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You can say that again

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:39 | 2127680 StychoKiller
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:39 | 2127572 Taint Boil
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You can say that again

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:39 | 2127681 StychoKiller
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:23 | 2126772 kito
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Why isn't turd banned Tyler!!!!! Not fair! Daddy says that the next one to use bad words is grounded! Turd said debka!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:56 | 2127104 French Frog
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Are those who have junked you not aware of sarcasm & irony ?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:41 | 2127196 kito
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 19:31 | 2127351 Last_2_Sense
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My Grandfather survived twelve different death camps durning WWII. He said he was march from one to the next barefoot through the snow for over 1000 miles. They had nothing to eat besides snow and their own clothes, so by the time they got to the camp they were naked. He survived being gassed twice by lying under others that died. He said he saw the graves of over 1 billion jews. He escaped by saving splinters from the walls and floors and made a pole and pole vaulted himself to freedom. He lived many years here in America as a stock broker. We must send US ground troops into Iran to stop this from happening again.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:36 | 2127561 Dugald
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After a yarn like that you should be stopped, or topped!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:11 | 2126735 Silver Bug
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Let's hope the UN politicians have the intelligence to stay out of this quagmire. I highly doubt it though.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:32 | 2126789 Uncle Remus
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Whoa. "Politician" and "intelligence" in the same sentence.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:40 | 2126802 knukles
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Huh?  I thought this and Greece had all been taken care of.....

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:54 | 2127309 gravedestruction
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"Luck, is there such an element in todays environment?"

No, time and fate are the determining factors in any scenario.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:26 | 2128459 Don Birnam
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The Russians require a "friendly," strategic Mediterranean base from which to project their power and influence in the Middle East -- not to mention a port of call deep and well-equipped enough to moor the nuclear-powered Kirov class battlecruiser, now the largest surface combat ship afloat.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:10 | 2126593 cossack55
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Kind of like Cam Rahn Bay without nearby triple-canopy.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:11 | 2126596 tony bonn
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the naval base plus the strategic envelopment of iran are driving the push against assad - although he truly is a monster....

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:11 | 2126734 sushi
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Russian vessels with strong AA missile capabilities located in Tartus would be in a position to interdict IAF planes attempting the shortest route to Iran.

This is certainly one reason to label Assad as a "monster." Only a monster would prevent the rightous ones from killing thousands.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:16 | 2127255 Strelok
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WTF, I can't believe that didn't cross my mind.  It may or may not be true, but is a perfectly plausible explanation.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:09 | 2128902 trav7777
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Russia is not going to fucking fire on the IAF

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:24 | 2126773 dogismyth
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not compared to Clinton, the Bushes or Obama. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:34 | 2126793 Uncle Remus
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Whether he is or isn't - and I'm not arguing either way - is moot, it's what they want you to believe.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:44 | 2127082 palmereldritch
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From a game theory perspective the presence the Russian ships will actually inhibit an Arab response to an attack on Iran by Israel thus neutralizing that front for Israel.  The Syrians, in addition to being busy dealing with an insurrection aided and abetted by foreign powers, would find it difficult to attack Israel without fear of invoking a larger conflagration by inadvertently involving the Russians who could in all probability reign in the Syrians to avoid a wider war.

The other Arab countries with freshly installed Arab Spring western dictators would have no lead to follow, nor would they, as their focus would be in controlling their locals from uprising in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Iraq following the attack.  All the Cold War secular Arab dictators have been removed save Assad and his Russian protector will just delay the day leaving him as a helpless pawn on the board as Israel and the west try and rook the Iranian queen to keep oil prices high and promote artificial scarcity (Translation: “austerity”).

Unless Russia invokes a formal defense alignment with Iran stating that an attack on Iran would be an attack on Russia, they are only facilitating the Israeli warmongering.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:41 | 2127933 Real Estate Geek
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A monster?  He's a pussycat compared to his old man.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:11 | 2126597 bank guy in Brussels
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Highly recommend the coverage of Syria and related by Pepe Escobar in Asia Times Online.

Here's yesterdays article about the Arab observers report that was buried and hidden, because the observers found that Syrian violence was in fact being fueled by outside mercenaries, and the report displeased the Saudi - Qatari propaganda masters who are aligned with the US. Includes a link to the censored report.

'Exposed: The Arab Agenda in Syria'

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:23 | 2126621 dick cheneys ghost
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Pepe is a Rock Star.....

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:56 | 2126691 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Pepe is the Tyler Durden of Geo-politics.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:41 | 2126807 knukles
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I thought he was a Columbian drug lord.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:57 | 2126847 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Aren't they all.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:53 | 2127308 Amish Hacker
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That was Pablo Escobar (deceased).

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:30 | 2127800 sullymandias
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2126678 john39
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petro puppets...  going down with the NWO cabal...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:41 | 2126795 earleflorida
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nwo [blue helmet 'anonymous' rock-stars] mercenaries coming to a country near you,... perhaps one day venturing on american shores?

Bashar al Assad was /is a puppet for dad's military [therefore the entire military circle must be removed - how's that working out for egypt?] regime. Since 2000 this fledgling leader has no[he's a doctor of medicine, educated in the UK, for god's sake!] experience [brother 'Basil' died in a auto-accident?]. Syria still holds a firm grip on Lebanon since the french released their rights to sovereignty in the late 1950's.

ref: " Islam Inflamed" by James Morris c.1957 --- Great short Read [amazon] 

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