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President Obama: "If You've Got A Business - You Didn't Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen"

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There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.  (Applause.)

 

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

 

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

 

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together.  That’s how we funded the GI Bill.  That’s how we created the middle class.  That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.  That’s how we invented the Internet.  That’s how we sent a man to the moon.  We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea.  You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.  (Applause.)

Source: White House

h/t Jamesr79

 

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Sun, 07/15/2012 - 11:43 | 2617289 Winston Churchill
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Who is John Galt ?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 11:47 | 2617300 Race Car Driver
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He who Galts first, Galts best.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 11:53 | 2617323 Ahmeexnal
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Al Gore invented the internet on his own.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:10 | 2617402 Oh regional Indian
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And MAN HAS NOT STEPPED ON THE MOON!

Just that lie, repeated, ad-infinitum since 1969 should be enough to bring thsi whole house of cards down. Man never stepped on the moon. The rest is equal poppycock.

ori

death-by-a-thousand-slogans

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:15 | 2617426 LetThemEatRand
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You people do realize that speeches like this are designed to rile up both sides and cause them to continue the false and destructive Red Team/Blue Team paradigm, no?   Romney gives a lot of speeches that would make you think he leans libertarian.  He does not.  And if elected, he will just serve his corporate masters like Obama has for the last 4 years.   

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:25 | 2617467 FEDbuster
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With Romney we may get to walk to the edge of the shit abyss before we jump in, with Obama we will be running full speed.  It's not a matter of "if", it's just a question of when?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:59 | 2617595 AldousHuxley
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Cutting edge R&D is always done by military for tech leadership. military technology dictates world power.

 

Corporations just commercialize technology long after a technology has been invented. Even when military is not directly involved, they fund the phDs in universities (computer science departments are almost all DARPA funded) to train the researchers.

 

Aerospace Jet Engines = cold war

Internet = DARPA, navy submarines divisions.

Energy = Atomic bomb

GPS = from space race

interstate system = hitler's military

Humevee, Jeep, Hummer = Army

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:10 | 2617629 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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That's how we created the middle class!

lol

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:23 | 2617676 economics9698
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The NWA needs to get the fuck out of the WH.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:49 | 2617765 ndotken
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The truly sad thing about that speech is that our Presidebt really believes that shit.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:00 | 2617804 Mario55
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The Presidents and various prime ministers of our western democratic countries don't believe anything, don't beleive in anything. No conviction. They just say what the population who happens to be their electorate wants to hear.

This Obama's speech is appalling. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2617815 nope-1004
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Obama is appalling.  There, fixed it for ya.

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2617888 Manthong
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That’s what you get when you elect a commie sympathizer and belligerent born colonial subject of the British Crown to blather BS all over the place.

The tragic thing is that we do not have government officials with the Constitutional knowledge, belief and fortidude to remove a self evident usurper from office.  

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:43 | 2617940 Surly Bear
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Dude, stop bad-mouthing the commies. Even Stalin claimed credit for what he built. This guy is a d-bag.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:10 | 2618027 This just in
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Forward!

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:04 | 2618370 flacon
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ROAD AND BRIDGES! Therefore we need to lay down our lives and submit to THE STATE! God it feels good having my balls tickled by THE STATE! 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:14 | 2618396 Vampyroteuthis ...
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One of the reasons business was so successful in the US is because gov't used to keep their noses OUT of the market. You got it wrong Obamao.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:16 | 2618585 redpill
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I made the enthusiastic bird that I'm flipping you right now, President Obamao.

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:44 | 2619184 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Obamas biological father is/was Frank Marshall Davis. He is citizen of the USA. His father, a close friend of his grandparents, knocked his mother up. If I was a Obama the false narrative of his close ties to Africa sounds so much better than, my dad was the kind of POS who visited friends houses and had sex with their young daughters.

 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 08:00 | 2619254 Al Gorerhythm
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Barry didn't get to his position on his own either. Who's your sugar daddy Barry? Who are your handlers? You can't be that fucking stupid all on your own. You are a treasonous socialist who obviously has an agenda to screw the business sector and middle class down to your level. Barry, I want to start a shoe shine stand. I need some help and have a position open for you but then again, can I trust you enough not to skim the cash register?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:58 | 2619222 All Risk No Reward
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It's the banksters that fill up the teleprompter, right?

Isn't this obvious by now?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:11 | 2618032 RSloane
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You're absolutely right. They just respond to polling data.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 19:38 | 2618800 The trend is yo...
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No We did build that business because along the way our parents paid plenty of taxes to pay for the school, bridges, roads etc

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:24 | 2618416 Treeplanter
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The putz was indoctrinated from his teen years.  He believes the Marxist fairy tales.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2617814 blunderdog
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Personally, I really doubt Obama believes ANYTHING.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:53 | 2617968 Uncle Remus
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Well, maybe the lies he tells himself.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:00 | 2619086 Chuck Walla
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Well, maybe the lies he tells himself.

 

He lied to his autobiography. Close enough.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:00 | 2617990 Manthong
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He believes in the superiority of his intellect which through collective secular social salvation has thrust him from his oppressed black colonial origins to elite ruling status over imperial Anglo-European society.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:51 | 2617768 jeff montanye
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for what it's worth, not much, obama's right.  

nonetheless, he should be impeached, indicted, convicted (x2...),  incarcerated and. possibly executed.

not the last, imo; the republican from illinois, ryan, broke me down.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/08/illinois-death-penalty-ab_n_833...

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:25 | 2618087 Excursionist
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Respectfully, I disagree about Obama's being right.

My parents' and now my own taxes paid for teachers who agreed, in a fair exchange of services for monetary compensation, to teach me K - 12, policemen and firemen who agreed to protect me, and so forth.

Civil servants create a foundation on which a society can thrive.  But a foundation is not a house over your head that will keep the elements out.  It is up to private sector entrepreneurs and those whom they opt to employ to build the (metaphorical) houses.

Obama can rightfully claim credit for the government creating a foundation so that the rest of us don't have to worry about the bottom two tiers of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but to extend the argument any further is to propagate the tenets of a resoundedly disproven Das Kapital.

 

On a separate note, it would be nice for the Communist in Chief to thank me and every other private sector tax payer for funding his salary, the government's expenditures and the government's ability to borrow against its 'revenue' base.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 19:04 | 2618734 BigJim
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+1000000

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 01:18 | 2627094 RockyRacoon
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Obama actually said this:

" If you are successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you did not build that–somebody else made that happen. The Internet did not get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off of the Internet. The point is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Note that the antecedent to the pronoun ("you did not build that") is the infrastructure, not the person's business.  Failure to understand simple declarative sentences has resulted in a warped interpretation of what he said.

I only bring this up in the effort to put things back into context.  Just today I listened to a Romney speech in which he said that an internet entrepreneur has done all the work on his own.  Say what?  All this finger-pointing works two ways.

Regardless of a person's opinion of Zuckerberg, without an established internet he'd just be another unknown nerd with his glasses taped together.  On the other hand, it could be said that a guy that smart and driven would have found some way to make a fortune.   In any case, he would have needed help with an established infrastructure... period.  The really smart entrepreneurs are the ones who find an untrodden path, free of government (the bureaucrats just haven't found it yet), and exploit it.  My final point: Fortunes can be made in spite of government and its onerous regulations.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:49 | 2617761 grid-b-gone
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Government creates the rich and poor. The middle class is just the remaining miscellaneous category.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:15 | 2617856 augustusgloop
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We created the middle class by using our supremecy after WWII, Just as England did in the 19th century. Also add Eisenhower's interstate system--that has made logistics possible...

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:24 | 2618080 fnordfnordfnord
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our supremecy after WWII

 Our supremecy after WWII, is owed wholly and completely to the fact that we hadn't had our industrial capacity blown to smithereens (and we weren't the Soviets). Therefore, we got to manufacture all the shit needed to rebuild Europe. After that, thank the heug public works programs that kept everyone busy; until the space race (which we started WAY LATE). Then, a lib-uh-ruhl democrat started the science and technology boom that's lasted until Ronnie Ray-gun. Now, we're seeing the last of it peter out, with nothing left but military spending (and the private enterprises initiated via the pre-Reagan tech spending) to keep us going.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:27 | 2618419 tenpanhandle
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and your point is?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:55 | 2618713 dwayne elizando
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Genetics researchers need to clone Ronnie is the point......I think.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 19:29 | 2618779 fnordfnordfnord
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No, Reagan's administration begun the anti-intellectualism (anti-genetics research), anti-other science (killed the SSC*), pro-endless-wars,

* Held physics research back by 20 years, Higgs being discovered only last week.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 20:04 | 2618837 dwayne elizando
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I wasn't using intellect to make my conclusion.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 19:23 | 2618770 fnordfnordfnord
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My point is that our post WWII success is half luck, and half liberal domestic policy.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:31 | 2618433 mrdenis
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Ron Paul 2002 speech .."DURING THE NEXT DECADE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL BECOME POORER AND LESS FREE, WHILE THEY BECOME MORE DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR ECONOMIC SECURITY.".....http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PUTPBP8yHz4

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:41 | 2618467 Treeplanter
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We had a middle class in colonial days.  They dumped British tea into Boston Harbor.  They rebelled against the king.   

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:39 | 2618668 Dr. Sandi
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Actually, no. Those guys doing the dumping were the gangs who ran pirate tea past the Brits to avoid paying taxes on it. They were relatively wealthy for the day, just protecting their turf.

Think white street gangs with fast boats instead of black Honda Civics and you have our original patriotic middle class.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 01:02 | 2619408 Raymond K Hessel
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That is an absolute fucking lie by a dickhead

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:18 | 2618232 debtor of last ...
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And that's how we destroyed the middle class.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:19 | 2618239 debtor of last ...
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And that's how we destroyed the middle class.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2617688 disabledvet
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the Army invented the hummer? wow. i didn't know that. maybe we should the government more of our money.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:31 | 2617913 smlbizman
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they probably are more qualified to build and sell vehicles to us, than say a ford or chyrsler...what? oh nevermind...

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:35 | 2618112 Temporalist
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Is it surprising that the govt created the biggest gas guzzling vehicle that originally barely sat 4 and uncomfortably at best that was a death trap in a firefight.

Then consumers bought it because the Governator wanted it (but now doesn't have room for them in his driveway full of hydrogren power vehicles that are immobile beacuse he's waiting on govt. subsidized hydrogen infrascturcture) and then could no longer afford to drive them because gas went up and sales plummeted.

 

*edit - yes I know it was a double entendre

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:41 | 2618670 Dr. Sandi
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Is it surprising that the govt created the biggest gas guzzling vehicle that originally barely sat 4 and uncomfortably at best that was a death trap in a firefight.

Don't go blaming the govt for the Chevy Nova.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:37 | 2618454 DFCtomm
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You didn't know that because they didn't. The Army put out specs and had a "beauty contest" to see who won. The contestants were all produced, as far as I know, by auto manufacturers. The Army then selected the winner and that was the Hummer. Is it rude to mention competition in the comments of a socialist love letter?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:46 | 2617751 holdbuysell
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I wouldn't say always, but you are correct in that certain substantial technologies (GPS, internet as examples) came from government work that are now pervasive in the private sector.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:30 | 2618100 imbrbing
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A private sector coorperation could have built GPS if they had the way to create the money the way the gov can to

finance it. Given a need,  anyone with money can create. He who has the money, creates shit.

If I hade the money, I could go to the moon too.

 

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 21:19 | 2618983 ATM
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Nope. No private company would have been granted a license to build such a system before the government did.

And why the hell does the government have the power to limit a private company from using satellites space? 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 01:06 | 2619412 Raymond K Hessel
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No private company would have been granted a license to build such a system before the government did.

EXACTLY. Just because we live in a world where govts prevent us from doing what we want doesn't mean we couldn't do it on our own.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 10:29 | 2620114 HardAssets
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What would private citizens be able to create, if so much of their earnings wouldnt be diverted to parasite government ?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 23:04 | 2619237 jerry_theking_lawler
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If a private party (other than the Federal Reserve system) creates money out of thin air.....then it is called counterfeiting.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 21:30 | 2619008 holdbuysell
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Sources for development:

GPS:

http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpsinfo.html

"The GPS is a DoD developed, worldwide, satellite-based radionavigation system that will be the DoD's primary radionavigation system well into the next century. The constellation consists of 24 operational satellites. The U.S. Air Force Space Command (AFSC) formally declared the GPS satellite constellation as having met the requirement for Full Operational Capability (FOC) as of April 27, 1995. Requirements include 24 operational satellites (Block II/IIA) functioning in their assigned orbits and successful testing completed for operational military functionality."

http://inventors.about.com/od/gstartinventions/a/gps.htm

"GPS or the Global Positioning System was invented by the U.S. Department of Defense (D.O.D) and Ivan Getting, at the cost of twelve billion taxpayer dollars."

Internet:

http://www.internetsociety.org/internet/internet-51/history-internet/bri...

"In 1973, the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) initiated a research program to investigate techniques and technologies for interlinking packet networks of various kinds. The objective was to develop communication protocols which would allow networked computers to communicate transparently across multiple, linked packet networks. This was called the Internetting project and the system of networks which emerged from the research was known as the "Internet." The system of protocols which was developed over the course of this research effort became known as the TCP/IP Protocol Suite, after the two initial protocols developed: Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) and Internet Protocol (IP)."

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:02 | 2619085 Terrorist
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Yet, what you don't see in your single dimension tunnel, is what would have been invented by the private sector if it had not been sucked dry by taxes, inflation, regulation and competition for personnel and capital by big Gov.

Is it so hard to imagine that the private sector would invent what are now forever unknown solutions that would have been far superior to what presently appears so outstanding?

That a Gov. solution squashed innovation by first mover advantage?

Can you imagine that a private solution would have developed with more effective and robust features because it was created by the more driven motivation of personal inspiration?

When claiming Gov. produces something, do you just abandon and ignore the basic truth that people are more motivated by self interest than participation in a buearocratic group?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:24 | 2619132 holdbuysell
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Understood. I'm identifying what happened as fact, not what may have been more optimal, as you're pointing out.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2617817 TexasAggie
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Jet Engines - by Germany during the war.

 

There was no Dept of Energy during WWII

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:07 | 2618014 Sabibaby
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Manhattan Project anyone? You completely miss the point and even more shameful is that eight other idiots up voted you.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 19:07 | 2618747 BigJim
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Mmmm, Fukushima!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 01:12 | 2619417 johansen
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most all of the failed reactor designs are because they were fast tracked to build plutonium to make weapons. 

 

we had thorium technology since the 50's and built like 1 or 2 reactors.. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:18 | 2617868 Calmyourself
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Umm huxley, what resources were used to create these things?  Did the money for these research projects come from the magical money tree? Usually you think a little deeper but I understand other things trump thought in this case.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:24 | 2617893 max2205
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We all get HUMMERS from the Govt everyday

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:43 | 2618310 billybobtx
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From what I read on the interweb, Oblabla was quite the "hummer"...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Larry-Sinclair-Cocaine/dp/0578013878

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 08:09 | 2619671 tsx500
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.....ummmm...... allegedly  .  .  .  .  .  .  .

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:46 | 2618686 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Ya from a 60 year old 400 pound bald guy......not your fantasy babe.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:03 | 2618002 InjuredThales
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Yes, the history of invention and technology is the 72 things that governments worldwide have invented.  There have been no other technologies or scientific developments, ever...

Sorry dude, if you don't understand the process, and don't understand the underlying, all you do is make ridiculous statements like this.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:03 | 2618172 TWSceptic
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There is a multiple of examples originating from the private sector, so what's the point?

 

Commercializing often means better development and better quality, now why is that? Could it be that the free market does a much better job innovating and evolving technology?

 

And if government wasn't so destructive throughout history, could perhaps the private sector have created all those things you mentioned much earlier in time? The idea that we need a government to innovate and evolve is of course fallacious and in fact the opposite is true.

 

Not to mention that government first needs to take with force capital, resources and labour from the private sector, it can't just create them out of thin air.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:33 | 2618278 Ayn NY
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The government gives out contracts to companies who invent and build technologies.  I have a company whose technology the government is interested in, if we sat and waited for the government to get through their process to get together a contract, I figure it would take another decade at the rate they're moving now (and my husband was invited to read a paper at a DARPA conference about his technology -so they're "motivated").  I am very happy that they're not our only option.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:57 | 2618352 Anusocracy
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Wow! Pile those confirmation biasing neocon lies high. Not quite high enough to hide the truth, though.

 

The key to a practical jet engine was the gas turbine, used to extract energy from the engine itself to drive the compressor. The gas turbine was not an idea developed in the 1930s: the patent for a stationary turbine was granted to John Barber in England in 1791. The first gas turbine to successfully run self-sustaining was built in 1903 by Norwegian engineer Ægidius Elling. Limitations in design and practical engineering and metallurgy prevented such engines reaching manufacture. The main problems were safety, reliability, weight and, especially, sustained operation.

In Hungary, Albert Fonó in 1915 devised a solution for increasing the range of artillery, comprising a gun-launched projectile which was to be united with a ramjet propulsion unit. This was to make it possible to obtain a long range with low initial muzzle velocities, allowing heavy shells to be fired from relatively lightweight guns. Fonó submitted his invention to the Austro-Hungarian Army but the proposal was rejected. In 1928 he applied for a German patent on aircraft powered by supersonic ramjets, and this was awarded in 1932.[3][4][5]

The first patent for using a gas turbine to power an aircraft was filed in 1921 by Frenchman Maxime Guillaume.[6] His engine was an axial-flow turbojet.

The Heinkel He 178 was the world's first aircraft to fly under turbojet power, and the first practical jet aircraft. It was a private venture by the German Heinkel company in accordance with director Ernst Heinkel's emphasis on developing technology for high-speed flight and first flew on 27 August 1939, piloted by Erich Warsitz. This had been preceded by a short hop three days earlier.

Hans Joachim Pabst von Ohain (December 14, 1911 – March 13, 1998) was a German engineer, one of the inventors of jet propulsion. His first design ran in March 1937, and it was one of his engines that powered the first all-jet aircraft, the prototype of the Heinkel He 178 in late August 1939. In spite of these early successes, other German designs quickly eclipsed von Ohain's, and none of his engine designs entered widespread production or operational use.

von Ohain independently developed the first jet engine during the same period that Frank Whittle was doing the same in the UK, and the two projects were often within weeks of meeting the same milestones. von Ohain's Heinkel HeS 1 ran only weeks before Whittle's WU, but did not run on its own power until six months later. von Ohain's design flew first in 1939, followed by Whittle's in 1941. Operational jet aircraft from both countries entered use only weeks apart. After the war the two men met, and became friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jet_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_von_Ohain

 

Joseph Carl Robnett Licklider (March 11, 1915 – June 26, 1990), known simply as J.C.R. or "Lick" was an American computer scientist, considered one of the most important figures in computer science and general computing history. He is particularly remembered for being one of the first to foresee modern-style interactive computing, and its application to all manner of activities; and also as an Internet pioneer, with an early vision of a world-wide computer network long before it was built. He did much to actually initiate all that through his funding of research which led to a great deal of it, including today's canonical graphical user interface, and the ARPANET, the direct predecessor to the Internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._R._Licklider

 

These 1939 developments sparked activity in many laboratories. Hahn and Strassman showed that fission not only released a lot of energy but that it also released additional neutrons which could cause fission in other uranium nuclei and possibly a self-sustaining chain reaction leading to an enormous release of energy. This suggestion was soon confirmed experimentally by Joliot and his co-workers in Paris, and Leo Szilard working with Fermi in New York.

Bohr soon proposed that fission was much more likely to occur in the uranium-235 isotope than in U-238 and that fission would occur more effectively with slow-moving neutrons than with fast neutrons, the latter point being confirmed by Szilard and Fermi, who proposed using a 'moderator' to slow down the emitted neutrons. Bohr and Wheeler extended these ideas into what became the classical analysis of the fission process, and their paper was published only two days before war broke out in 1939.

http://world-nuclear.org/info/inf54.html

 

The design of GPS is based partly on similar ground-based radio-navigation systems, such as LORAN and the Decca Navigator developed in the early 1940s, and used during World War II. In 1956, Friedwardt Winterberg[3] proposed a test of general relativity (for time slowing in a strong gravitational field) using accurate atomic clocks placed in orbit inside artificial satellites. (To achieve accuracy requirements, GPS uses principles of general relativity to correct the satellites' atomic clocks.[4]) Additional inspiration for GPS came when the Soviet Union launched the first man-made satellite, Sputnik in 1957. Two American physicists, William Guier and George Weiffenbach, at Johns Hopkins's Applied Physics Laboratory (APL), decided on their own to monitor Sputnik's radio transmissions.[5] Within hours they realized that, because of the Doppler effect, they could pinpoint where the satellite was along its orbit from the Doppler shift. The Director of the APL gave them access to their UNIVAC to do the heavy calculations required. When they released the orbit of Sputnik to the media, the Russians were dumbfounded to learn how powerful American computers had become, as they would not have been able to calculate the orbit themselves. The following spring, Frank McClure, the deputy director of the APL, asked Guier and Weiffenbach to look at the inverse problem where you know the location of the satellite and you want to find your own location. (The Navy was developing the submarine-launched Polaris missile, which required them to know the submarine's location.) This led them and APL to develop the Transit system.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

 

The Long Island Motor Parkway, opened in 1908 as a private venture, was the world's first limited-access roadway. Germany began to build its famous Reichsautobahn controlled-access highway network (then referred to as a Dual Highway) following the First World War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway

 

Jeeps? Who gives a f ck.

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:52 | 2618382 booboo
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Really? The military? bwaahahahahahaha
Einstein, Oppenheimer, Von Braun. The Government could not pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the fucking sole.
And where pray tell would they get the money if the private sector up and told them to fuck off?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 20:45 | 2618915 Technical Bard
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Well - the development of the jet engine started in the 1930s in Britain.  Mr. Whipple I believe was his name.   Yes, military funds contributed to the development.

The Autobahnen in Germany predates Hitler.  It was planned and starte during the Weimar republic, but the project couldn't be funded and didn't have the political drive to be completed until the Third Reich took it over - and admittedly saw the military advantages of such a system.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 20:58 | 2618940 booboo
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"Yes, military funds contributed to the development"

Who's funds? They only have what they are funded and the funders only have what they can steal and they can only steal from one source. Who might that be?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 21:37 | 2619031 jez
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Frank Whittle (1907-96). Took out a patent on his turbojet design in January 1930, aged 22. Extraordinary chap:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Whittle

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 21:17 | 2618979 jez
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Who's responsible for the teleprompter manufacturing industry, that's what I want to know.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:43 | 2619179 Imminent Crucible
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"Jeep = Army"

Uh, no. Jeep = Convenient way to get out of U.S. and into Mexico without bothering about formal border crossings.  See "Lukeville, AZ, also known as Gringo Pass."

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 09:46 | 2619956 HardAssets
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Corporations just commercialize technology long after a technology has been invented. Even when military is not directly involved, they fund the phDs in universities (computer science departments are almost all DARPA funded) to train the researchers.

 

Aerospace Jet Engines = cold war

Internet = DARPA, navy submarines divisions.

Energy = Atomic bomb

GPS = from space race

interstate system = hitler's military

Humevee, Jeep, Hummer = Army

 

Adding to your list:

Trillions diverted into the military/industrial/intel  complex =

Bankrupted citizens +  domestic hi tech police state justified by 'foreign enemies' in the name of 'national security' + constant wars (w/ 'blowback') + the potential destruction of all humanity in some future nuclear/chemical/or biological world war

that is, - - - precious natural resources and human effort misdirected into 'kill-ogy" rather than 'livingy"  (the later being the ability to support X human beings for so many Y days into the future)

Government doesnt create, it consumes - - by forced robbing of resources from others ultimately at the point of a gun. What could have been done with all those trillions, with all that spent on ever 'obsolete' weapons systems, etc. ?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:59 | 2617597 HoofHearted
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Did this speech end with "Sieg Heil"?

You didn't do it on your own...it took government health care and Obamabucks. We've always been at war with Eurasia. Freedom is slavery.

Holy shit! If people don't see it now, they are never going to see it. Al Gore got it started, but now this guy is taking it one step beyond. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:18 | 2617640 Muppet of the U...
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Fun with MADLIBS:

We should TOTALLY ______(insert verb) _____________(insert potentially hypothetical, random president), and _______(insert verb) him from a _____(insert noun).  B/c seeing him in the early morning light, swaying with the rising sun behind, fits all too well with the golden god image he portrays himself as.  But, let us not forget, that upon closer inspection, when the sun stands high in the sky, he'll be ________(insert adverb) like his soul.

 

Yea, beat that zerohedge.  didn't break any rules this time!  I just realized, this is totally going to become an abridgement of freedom of speech soon...  that blows.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:34 | 2618444 Breaker
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Moussolin. lamppost. Make him lower his chin. I'm working on the riddle.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:00 | 2617598 Atlas_shrugging
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"You’re not on your own, we’re in this together." (Yes, its your business and my gun in your back. What a team!)

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:07 | 2617620 derek_vineyard
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obama actually said that government research created the internet so everybody could make money off of it?  you have to be joking.  his speech writers cannot be that stupid.   the final presidental vote might be 2-0   obamas and romney the only fools voting (both for the man of color of course)

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:43 | 2617737 youngman
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"his speech writers cannot be that stupid. "...no but the people that vote for him are.....they believe this stuff

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:59 | 2617787 derek_vineyard
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no fucking way..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5rg05ZQNs   to tune out

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:28 | 2617905 Omen IV
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do your homework - almost ALL technology today was a result of government sanctioned or paid for research and product development - look up AT&T / western electric-bell labs - just for one example of a monopoly granted in pursuit of federal government funding and objectives

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:08 | 2618020 InjuredThales
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Epic troll, or epic fool?

Hear that guys "ALL technology"!

 

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:12 | 2618035 This just in
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Can I buy gold with my EBT card?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:32 | 2618279 tmosley
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Sure, you just have to filter it out of the Goldschlager.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:31 | 2618642 Demonoid
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More like, an epic Poe.

Poe's Law holds that when considering a fervent statement of a religiously-held belief, it is pretty much impossible to judge whether the statement is real or a parody.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:44 | 2618136 John_Coltrane
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By your "reasoning" the Swiss Patent office should get  the credit for Special and General Relativity, the photoelectric effect, and many significant ideas in quantum mechanics since Einstein worked there when he developed these critical ideals estimated to be responsible over 1/2 of world GDP.  All technology depends on scientific ideas and the scientific method, not the government or central authorities.  Your comment is nonsense, the individual is the engine which drives the world and always will be.  Einstein would have developed these ideas if he had worked as a garage collector because he was driven by curiosity.  The talentless "team" promoters are always trying to suck off those of competence and ability.  They promote teamwork, fairness and sharing to hide their lack of ability.  As we all know Obama has never had a real job in his life-community orginizers don't count!  His degree is in the law-the most parasitic of professions-creating nothing while sucking off the teat of the creators and producers. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:42 | 2618473 TheGardener
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Become a clerk, patent clerk all the better for the world!

Suck off ideas and get them patented! How pathetic!

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:45 | 2618683 Dr. Sandi
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Ideas yearn to be sucked off.

THey have different feelings about being patented, however.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:09 | 2618558 Anusocracy
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All government does is take money from its rightful owners and squander it on things to protect or enlarge itself. Anything else is incidental.

 

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:46 | 2618685 Dr. Sandi
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True. But they throw one HELL OF A PARTY!

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 23:00 | 2619227 Anusocracy
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You can't imagine the party I could throw with $3.5 trillion.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 20:36 | 2618892 NumberNone
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Fucking killing me with this lock step love-fest for what Obama said.  You do understand that government funding for most of the things cited were funded so that we can fight wars better??  So I'm guessing that the Obama base is now 100% behind the Military Industrial Complex?  Big up arrow for missiles, bomb, tanks, drones and fighter jets?

If you are against this, maybe Obama can fund some 'good' industries.  Maybe he should get into funding other businesses like solar energ...oh never mind.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 01:18 | 2619420 Raymond K Hessel
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We get the dial phone for decades.

Within one decade of deregulation and MaBell breakup?

Smartphones, Internet, cable TV, etc

Imagine what we would get if the govt went and fucked itself by leaving agriculture the fuck alone. I bet FDA approved Frankenstein GMO food would be a thing of the past.

Deregulate finance? "Bernie, show me your cash rec!". Credit depts wouldn't be a joke because big companies would be on the hook instead of Poppa Government.

Seriously, you fascist fuck-sticks angrify me.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:24 | 2618083 John Rotten
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Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the tructh.  Paraphrased, mind you.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:40 | 2618303 Never One Roach
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He meant to say...

"If you (in China) have a business--you didn't build that. Someone else (like Jeff Immelt) made that happen."

 

Now it makes sense. See.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 10:39 | 2620144 HardAssets
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And a bunch of dumshits believe what Romney says too . . even after seeing videos where he says the exact oppostie things. (It pisses off my Rep friends when I bring this up. As for the O believers, they are completely beyond reaching - especially his public 'school' teacher zombies.

Don't believe liar/lawyer/politicians, people !

American 'democracy' . . . what a freakin' joke. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:21 | 2618058 TruthInSunshine
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-

 

With Romney we may get to walk to the edge of the shit abyss before we jump in, with Obama we will be running full speed.  It's not a matter of "if", it's just a question of when?

 

As they say, opinions are like assholes, both the one above, and mine.

But I will challenge FEDbuster on his claim. If we don't challenge what we see as falsehoods being put forth, with or without malice, we have no chance to alter the outcome that a few are workings towards.

We really aren't any "better off" with a Romney vs an Obama, nor vice-versa. They're both the candidates of those who control both parties (follow the money; there are some different groups that contribute to each party, mainly being union [ironic since Democrats have done more to destroy their monopoly on labor than Republicans have; see Clinton's actions of giving China MFN Trade Status, etc] vs. small business funds, pro-2nd Amendment vs anti-2nd Amendment, etc., but the big banks, multi-national corporations, Wall Street and goverment & defense contractors pretty much earmark their contributions nearly in an even mannerer to candidates for Congress and POTUS, regardless of "party" affiliation).

Anyone who hasn't awakened to the reality yet that both of our allegedly "different" political parties merely grouse about social wedge issues to divide the electorate, while they both do their same master's bidding of implementing the plans for the new social and economic order that the master wishes to see materialize, can never see the forest through the trees.

To anyone who challenges me, tell me how the George H.W. Walker Bushs differed from the Bill Clintons, or the Nixons differed from the Obamas, of our two allegedly different political parties, in terms of....I'll pick just one issue to simply things:

Global trade

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:31 | 2618104 fnordfnordfnord
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+1000

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:34 | 2618111 TruthInSunshine
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I should have asked a few questions as a better way to provide evidence of my claims about the factual basis for what I think of as the false left-right paradigm:

 

What POTUS allowed for a de jure closing of the 'Gold Window' as the basis of valuing U.S. fiat (I won't call it "dollars," but just fiat currency or FRNs)?

What POTUS signed NAFTA into law?

What POTUS signed off on giving China Most Favored Nation Trade Status?

What recent Presidents and leaders of the "two different" political parties signed off on multi-trillion (in the aggregrate) bailouts of banks/financial institutions, corporations and other alleged and claimed "private entities," using taxpayer monies, and continue to support such measures, in whatever guise they take, through this very day?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:51 | 2618156 SheepRevolution
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All the POTUS who came after John F. Kennedy, the last true President of the United States and the last President to challenge the Wall Street Banksters by issuing EO 11110, which gave the US Government (not the Fed) to issue silver notes for all silver buillion which was held by the US Treasury.

Since the very first day the United States was born, We The People have been at war with the global Bankers. The won the battle of 1913 (Federal Reserve Act), but the will not win the war.

 

For Liberty!

SheepRevolution

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:11 | 2618207 Vesuvius
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I don't think that EO binary is what most of the internet memes say it is:

http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/1176961/1/

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 23:03 | 2619228 FEDbuster
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No argument from me on the destination, I just think the speed we get there might be a little different. 

 

I have heard it said like this, "Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone has one, and they all stink".

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 03:25 | 2619424 TruthInSunshine
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Right, and I am saying that it's my opinion there's no difference of any significant degree between Romney or Obama, including that which you termed "the speed we get there."

This isn't some sort of personal pissing contest I'm starting over what you posted, but, IMO, a necessary check and balance on what you wrote earlier, to further the cause of extracting a more refined core truth (or at least a more likely than not estimation of what's closer to being the truth, given that it's impossible to nail these types of things down with 100% certainty). I'd expect to have you engage me in the same check and balance if you see me post something intentionally or unintentionally misleading, incorrect or not complete enough, in the future.

The establishment, so long as they have control over the deck of cards, wins the game. With either Obama or Romney serving  as POTUS from 2012 trhough 2016, the establishment literally can't lose.

I think that even someone like Orwell might be surprised by how quickly much of the "fiction" he wrote of in his novels such as 1984 has come to fruition in the real world, if he were alive today, and he'd probably be just as equally surprised at the near absolute zero degrees of difference between the candidates of the only two political parties in the nation that heavily promotes itself as the land of liberty, home of the free, torch-bearer of democracy.

It's a farce. Obama signed NDAA 2012 into law (with suppportive congressional members of both parties in the background), and issued a signing statement reading (and I'll paraphrase) that although he'd never exercise the provisions that proclaim that legislation gave the POTUS the sole discretion to authorize assassinations of American Citizens without any due process (i.e. formal criminal information/charges being filed, right to speedy trial, right to confront witnesses, right to appeal, etc.), he'd never invoke such authority (but he can't vouch for what his successors do).

Are you claiming Romney wouldn't have done nearly, if not precisely, the identical thing?

The slogan of American Democracy has literally turned into the most twisted sort of oxymoron.

 

 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 08:31 | 2619710 FEDbuster
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"It's a farce"     +1984

I asked my Congressman the other day, if sequestration would really take place?  He said, "It has to, it's the law".  I then replied, "Since when has Congress followed their own laws?" We spoke for over 15 minutes.  He said they are not letting Holder/Clinton/Obama get away with Fast and Furious, Jon Corzine will end up in criminal and civil court and he supports an audit and greater controls on the FED.   He couldn't see Congress taking control of creating money (they don't trust the other side to obey an sort of limits).  I wanted to go into a whole Bill Still discussion with him, but his "handler" made him go meet other people in the restaurant. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:42 | 2618216 Never One Roach
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"You're all in this together."

 

That's what I'm afraid of.

 

 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 18:48 | 2618689 Dr. Sandi
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Looks like shit.

Smells like shit.

Tastes like shit.

 

I'm sure glad we didn't step in it.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:35 | 2618449 TheGardener
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Inflammatory hate speech covered by his presidential immunity. Just appalling.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:25 | 2617468 TN Jed
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Do you realize you're the first person here to mention red/blue? All I've seen is critique of the words, not the camp.  Save the obvious for the proles of the world.  We've got it covered here. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:34 | 2617498 LetThemEatRand
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If you focus on the words but ignore the actions, you are doing exactly what they want you to do.  But carry on.  I see you have it covered indeed.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:01 | 2617576 Atlas_shrugging
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dup

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:11 | 2617634 tmosley
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Convenient that you can ascribe actions that go against people's words based on the words in their internet postings.

Are you a wizard?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:54 | 2617969 LetThemEatRand
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Just reading between the lines in those gray areas that you are unable to see.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:56 | 2617978 tmosley
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What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?

All I see is you making wild assumptions and accusations.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:21 | 2618068 LetThemEatRand
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Which multi-national corporation brought you to China?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:56 | 2618511 tmosley
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Reading between the invisible grey lines again, Mr. Wizard?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 23:59 | 2619327 LetThemEatRand
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No, just research.    Let me quote you:  "I hate to tell you, but Ponzis take money while not producing anything.  China, on the other hand, PRODUCES EVERYTHING.

 

I can't believe that there are still people out there that thing that China's dollar peg is holding up the value of their currency rather than dragging it down"  Tmosley, 2010.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:18 | 2618062 jeffgroove102
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Good one, gonna use that.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:06 | 2618199 TWSceptic
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Why not focus on both? Everyone here understands this it seems, except you.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:21 | 2617884 max2205
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Obama is the biggest douchebag I've ever seen.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:55 | 2617977 Uncle Remus
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You haven't been paying attention then.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:49 | 2618148 11b40
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You need to get around more.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:51 | 2618331 boooyaaaah
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The Gov walked on the moon in 69

The Gov Lost the Vieitnam war in 75

Gold hit 850 in '80, As we inflated and paid for the 2 prior Gov programs

In 82 the Commodore PC became available

And the average American began to dig out from under Gov debt

So, now we are to believe the Gov gave us our prosperity?

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:17 | 2617652 Benjamin Glutton
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the rest of the speech saved for a good laugh at the fund raiser.

In closing, I'd like to incite the words of the immortal Rodney Luther King and say,...why don't we all just get along with the bankers? After all I'm going to pardon most of them sooner or later.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:55 | 2617783 monoloco
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We need to show compasion to the bankers, plus we need the jail space for all those dangerous marijuana dispensary operators. 

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 13:54 | 2617778 G-R-U-N-T
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What corporate masters EatRand? Name them please...., or shut the fuck up!

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 14:00 | 2617802 dudebum
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Romney & Obama are two heads of the same monster.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:05 | 2618004 GernB
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I don't think its useful to want to want to so distance yourself from the red/blue paradigm that you stop asking what is right and what is wrong. It makes more sense to me to try to be a champion of the truth and stand for freedom and support the red team when they are right and the blue when they are right.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 17:08 | 2618379 AlmostEven
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Will applaud for crumbs! Especially election-year-only crumbs. /sarc

The Party of Lincoln is dead. The party of Roosevelt is dead. I think we need to bury our dead and not get excited when the (political) wind blows and something we like spills from the pockets of the corpse.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 22:58 | 2619224 Freddie
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FDR sucked and arguably Lincoln also sucked.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 23:17 | 2619264 Uncle Remus
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I think he was referring to Teddy.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:05 | 2618005 InjuredThales
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Sadly true. Romney is just another corporate shill.

Like others have commented, we face the choice between a space jump directly into the black hole, or dithering lazily about the event horizon.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 16:58 | 2618356 Ayn NY
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I prefer slower, it gives me more time to prepare.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 20:50 | 2618907 Mentaliusanything
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You have a choice in a democracy

You appear to be selecting gruel from the same large pot.

Therefore you do not have......

If 47,000,000 lined up for supplementy Nutrition assistance daily on a street corner near you every day you would see that holding a Red or Blue bowl to recieve it would matter not at all. Reality is hidden because the fear it produced would not be containable by any force it the World.

America you need to SNAP out of your belief that your the richest country on Earth. You are not, they know it and they fear if you knew it they would have no power over you.

You get to eat what you chose.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 23:39 | 2619305 Freddie
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The sheep loved to be lied too and brwainwashed by TV.  If you watch the shit on TV then you are helping them keep you as their slave.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:06 | 2618006 InjuredThales
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Fuck this double-post shit.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 19:57 | 2618826 ejmoosa
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Which is why we need to have a commitment from real conservatives that even if they tell us to support Romney in this election, that they will indeed mount campaigns to run against him in 2016 and a real concervative, rather than a conservative liberal that we have been offered.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 00:07 | 2619351 Half_A_Billion_...
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>>You people do realize that speeches like this are designed to rile up both sides and cause them to continue the false and destructive Red Team/Blue Team paradigm, no?   Romney gives a lot of speeches that would make you think he leans libertarian.  He does not.  And if elected, he will just serve his corporate masters like Obama has for the last 4 years.  

 

+infinite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism


Mon, 07/16/2012 - 10:42 | 2620013 HardAssets
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I never listen to O's speeches. Watched video of him at a 2008 campaign function that he gave in front of some finance guys. It was absolutely obvious that he didnt know anything about economics, finance, or business. (Sophmore college biz student kids  know a helluva lot more.) He's a slick talking lawyer con man, and that's it. (Though they brief all of them after they get in office to sound half decent.)   Anybody that thinks he's actually calling the shots on all the details . . . is completely off the mark.  That shark con artist Romney knows exactly what he's up to  (Harvard Law & Business school, Bain Capital). - - With either of them its downhill (though its beyond saving at this point. An economic reset will be required. Maybe Americans will choose to come out of it with their Freedom, maybe not.)

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 18:57 | 2626265 High Wire
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Agreed.  The most interesting thing to me is with all his fanning of the flames he goes to great pains never to mention inheretence.

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:52 | 2617561 pods
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Seems that you are at least running 50 50 on that one.

For the record, I have researched this, and there ain't no fucking way we could have gotten there and back in the 60's.

Shit, we can barely reach LEO now.

A hundred years from now people will laugh at how gullible we all were.

Drive around in a moon car and play golf.  Take perfect pictures with a chest mounted camera.  haha.  Every single one seems to have the flag of the US brightly illuminated, even in the shade.  

pods

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 12:57 | 2617582 Oh regional Indian
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Seriously Pods, the definitive, eye-popping site for this work.

EYE POPPING. Check it out..

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=59

ori

Sun, 07/15/2012 - 15:02 | 2618000 pods
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Thanks for the link!

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!