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A Primer On Honesty: Are You A Better Liar Than The Chairman?

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Human beings basically try to do two things at the same time; on the one hand we want to be able to look in the mirror and feel good about ourselves - ego motivation from honesty, and on the other hand we want to benefit from dishonesty. It would seem at first glance that we could only do one (honesty or dishonesty) but thanks to our 'flexible cognitive psychology' and our ability to 'rationalize our actions', we can in fact do both. Nowhere is this more clearly equivocated than in Bernanke's entirely disingenuous commentary and justification for QEternity last week. He is of course rationalizing his actions (via empirical studies or Woodford's paper), knowing full well the implications, but remaining an 'honest and wonderful' asset to society in his own mind. This outstanding clip from Dan Ariely on The (Honest) Truth About Dishonesty will provide much food for thought about whether you are more honest than Bernanke, Draghi, or Juncker and at the same time what motivates their self-effacing dishonesty.

 

Honest or Dishonest...

 

Honest AND Dishonest - thru rationalization...

 

The enture clip is well worth watching as the last 2-3 minutes bring his thoughts very much back in line with the 'emperor's new clothes' dilemma we face and the driver behind mortgage fraud and bank regulation...

 

 

 

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Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:27 | 2813433 Yen Cross
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 And Now everyone understands the " Rationality" behind the " Wizard of the Fed".

  Tin men, tornadoes, and stuft Lions!~

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:40 | 2813463 old naughty
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Mario: "Ball in your court, Ben".

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:08 | 2813523 lineskis
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What? It all boils down to incentives and conflict of interests? Who could have thought that...

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:33 | 2813708 rfaze
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And the moral to the story is---------

"Everyone has their price"

Which is how people who have a price rationalize their actions. 

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:09 | 2813527 Yen Cross
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A smart man you are! portugal/ has been Spains step child for 2 weeks, when it comes to "ECB", concessions!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:32 | 2813564 Careless Whisper
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The Careless Whisper Evening Diversion & Threadjacking

Study: Monsanto (MON 91.16; +2.10)  Genetically Modified Corn Causes Tumors; No Comment From Board Member Bill Gates

http://rt.com/news/monsanto-rats-tumor-france-531/

PIC OF THE DAY: Lady Gaga Adds 50 LBS.; Concert Last Night In Amsterdam

http://stylefrizz.com/img/Lady-Gaga-spilling-out-of-her-stage-costume.jpg

VIDEO: How To Be A Crook (Warning: It Doesn't End Well)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHbwdNcHbc

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:31 | 2813705 DeadFred
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Warning: Clicking on the Gaga link can be hazardous to your digestion.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 00:19 | 2813906 PersonalRespons...
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I guess she has enough fiat now.

 

Even my ass is looking better.  I need a raise.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 06:01 | 2814173 neidermeyer
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Not surprised on the rats tumors ,, doesn't Monsanto's GM corn basically produces the same chemical as "roundup" ? My question is "Is this a valid test if that is the only food given the rats?" after all dosages would be MUCH smaller if they had a varied diet.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 07:45 | 2814273 Urban Redneck
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The search for the Wizard behind the Curtain distracts from the search for the Ghost in the Machine.

Skynet has existed longer than vaccuum tubes.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:28 | 2813436 cornedmutton
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Splunge.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 09:24 | 2814603 mark mchugh
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Splunge for me too, then!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:29 | 2813439 roadsnbridges
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"I made money in the Market today!"

What did I win?

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:56 | 2813499 LMAOLORI
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A look at the Danish Cartoon that Tyler wouldn't show earlier (and screw you to the down voting Commies who want to take away all your rights)

Pic Of The Day: French Magazine’s Naked Mohammed Cartoons…

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:19 | 2813520 akak
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Merci pour ca!

"Mahomet: une etoile est nee".  LOL!

 

One must stand in perverse awe at the outrage that such silly and inconsequential cartoons have inspired.  Every one of those who would condemn the author to death actually deserve death themselves for their brutal, positively insane arrogance and intolerance.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:10 | 2813521 Kitler
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That's nothing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/can-private-cities-save...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/11/private-city-in-honduras-will-ha...

Honduras has unveiled a radical free-market plan to establish three "charter cities" in the violence-racked Central American nation.

 

The government this week signed an agreement with US developers MKG group to begin building the cities – complete with their own governments, laws, courts, police forces and tax systems – from scratch early next year.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:10 | 2813663 blunderdog
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That one frame must be Photoshopped, because it looks like he was circumsized...

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:34 | 2813445 Melin
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Human beings don't want to benefit from being dishonest; some individual human beings want to benefit from being dishonest.

stop with the collectivist philosophy already

 

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:39 | 2813462 Yen Cross
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Melin, I commend you for having, the honesty to make that statemant!  Just remember one thing! Dishonesty isn't a " 1%" issue!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:53 | 2813488 Melin
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Assigning percentages is a collectivist game in this context. 

I come from the benevolent universe side of the equation and think most people want to happily live their lives, play nicely with others and be left alone but find themselves having to continuously swat aside those who wish to control them.  Which brings us back to the collectivists.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 23:09 | 2813788 Anusocracy
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The socializing brain looks at others as objects to be manipulated or controlled.

The systemizing brain looks at objects to be manipulated or controlled.

Mentalism and Mechanism - the twin modes of human cognition by Christopher Badcock

http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/MentalismCB.html

"Much the same applies to mentalistic and mechanistic cognition. Each has its appropriate context. Essentially, what I have proposed is that values of an ethical, aesthetic, political, legal or religious kind have a proper place in mentalistic cognition, which is rightly applied in the humanities; is voluntaristic in its mode of explanation; relates peculiarly to psychological subjectivity; is the basis of mental culture; and is particularistic in the sense that mental life is individually- or socially- determined and culturally-relative. Material facts, on the other hand, relate to mechanistic cognition, which is properly applied in technology and the sciences; is deterministic in its mode of explanation; relates peculiarly to physical objectivity; is the basis of material culture; and is universalistic in the sense that scientific and technological truths are equally valid in all cultural contexts.

What I have tried to do here is to show that the fact/value problem is part of this much larger picture and finds new and unexpected insights in the study of autism and paranoia, as well as in normal sex differences in cognition. Essentially, I have argued that human cognition employs two distinct, non-commensurate and in many ways incompatible modes, each appropriate and reliable in its specific domain, but prone to fallacious or unreliable outputs if employed in the other. If I have succeeded in clarifying the differences between what I have termed mentalism and mechanism for want of better terms, I hope that I will have thereby contributed something - however small - to the avoidance of confusion between them in the future.

One virtue of this way of looking at things is that it would discourage religious, political and moral credulity, bigotry and fanaticism of all kinds by cutting mentalism down to size, so to speak. This is because all such reactions are quintessentially mentalistic, and according to this analysis, mentalism is just another human adaptation: the psychological equivalent of something like striding bipedalism, rather than some god-given, specially- created or necessarily-evolved spiritual superiority. (To use one of the few good analogies in another species, you might see mentalism as a means of communication and interaction as peculiar to our species and as quaint in its symbolism as the waggle-dance is to bees.)

Seeing culture as essentially mentalistic would also reduce literary and artistic snobbery and elitism, and would help to counter emotive, phobic and irrational reactions to scientific and technological innovation. Finally, understanding and accepting the mentalistic deficits of mechanistic thinking would also help to limit social exclusion, prejudice and misunderstanding of autistics of all kinds. Indeed, such a change in attitude might confer a new and special esteem on those who, like William Hamilton, have arguably contributed the most of lasting worth to our species as a whole through their work in engineering, technology, and science."

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:14 | 2813676 blunderdog
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He mentioned experimental data if you could spare the 11 mins for the video.  12 people were full-on thieves and got away with $150.  Over $10 each!

But about 18,000 people thought, "it's no big deal to take just this tiny bit" and ended up walking off with $36,000.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 06:11 | 2814177 Acet
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This is actually from some Behavioural Economists that conducted experiments on people's decision-making. There's a lot about this already in the book "Predictably Irrational" (my review: http://www.informed-people.com/archives/57).

The results of their experiments on cheating were surprising to them (for example: it turns out that even when given a chance to get away with cheating a lot, most people only cheat a bit) so I guess they did further and bigger experiments and the results came on a new book and this video relates to it.

In myself, through introversion, I can glimpse sometimes those same mechanisms in action. I've also seen it in others often enough.

As for the rationalizing of bad deeds thing, you can see it all over the place: nobody is bad in their own mind (too much Cognitive Dissonance), everybody always has "good" reasons for actions that hurt others, usually something around "defending myself" or "protecting my people" or "I had no other option" or "the were going to attack us" or maybe tagging the "enemy" as sub-human.

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:40 | 2813456 roadsnbridges
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'Chloe - you can't fake that feeling"

Not from what I've seen of her.

(about 2:28 in, in the background)  Chloe rocks.  +1000000 for having the mention.

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:41 | 2813461 Cognitive Dissonance
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"By the way it's not as if we have a lot of big cheaters, we have a lot of little cheaters."

That includes you and me folks. And we rationalize it all away by saying "Yeah, but I would never do <fill in the blank>."

It's not a matter of IF we lie, cheat and steal, but rather how much and how often.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:54 | 2813477 roadsnbridges
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I vote for once and a lot.  But I don't have the opportunity, so I will satisfy my revenge with movie downloads from Usenet.  Bite me.

I hate feeling impotent..

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:17 | 2813537 Yen Cross
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C/D we just do our best. Video cameras and drones will never do away with "Human Nature". No matter how big your heart is, or how hard you try to divvy the "proverbial pie", " You BUILT and ANSWER for IT"!

     The people that be, have your address, and bank account #'s.   As my accountant says," Just work harder"!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:44 | 2813596 Cognitive Dissonance
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"C/D we just do our best."

I agree. The first step is awareness. The second step is overcoming the denial of our awareness. Unfortunately we seem to repeat these steps over and over again.

(Honest) progress, not perfection is all we can ask of ourselves.

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:48 | 2813612 Careless Whisper
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How about a little honesty from whoever posted this garbage? The RSA is the Royal Society of Arts. Headed by Princess Anne. pfffftt. bullshit. -- Go after the shoplifters because the central bankers don't steal that much. WTF

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:59 | 2813637 Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree with your sentiment.

But recognizing someone else's dishonesty doesn't excuse my own. All I can do is work on myself and be totally responsible to myself.

In my opinion that is the true meaning behind personal sovereignty.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:11 | 2813665 Yen Cross
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 Let's not "Major in minor shit" ,Gentlemen!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 02:07 | 2813993 sunaJ
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Ariely hits on an important point on how normal people work, and I truly believe most people, including bankers, are normal (Would you, given the opportunity, make tens of millions of dollars if you just had to get people to sign up for loans you knew they could not afford?).  ZHers would do well to remember this when they are tempted to succumb to their own black/white way of thinking.  However, now that the deed has been done, there is another force that is completely bypassed in his theory.  It is the need for disruption and consequence. Big lies are made to cover up smaller lies, which is also how the vortex of dishonesty works.  Since Ariely draws upon the religious practice of confession, there is another religious practice that he ignores, and that is retribution. 

If I remember my Sunday School lessons well enough, there must be a stop to the sin before you can ask forgiveness.  There has been no cessation or asking for forgiveness, and that is the huge difference in this, our real world.  If the bankers and government officials were coming to the people, hats in hand as in the cartoon, then perhaps that would make sense that we learn how to escape the cognitive dissonance that dishonesty reaps.  But we are not living in the world of the cartoon.  The horse has run out of the barn and it is continuing to run.  The 'to hell with it' people are still in charge and they are running at full speed with the wagon of society hitched to them into the abyss.  When I see a repentant banker or government official, or once the public have seized control of the horse, THEN I would be willing to contemplate a fix to the rationalization of dishonesty, but Ariely has skipped the entire step of ENTERING THE CONFESSIONAL.   As Jesus said, as we are keeping with a religious tone here, there must be a separation of the wheat and the tares.  The Lord cometh, most assuredly, and the time of REPENTANCE is here.  So far, I see none, so you reach a point where you either have to shoot the horse, let him destroy society, or gain control (rebellion).  How the horse responds to the confrontation - which hasn't taken place yet - will determine how these toads are dealt with.  My guess is that until the "halt" is achieved, you will have those that will fight you all the way.  Society demands consequences, and Ariely speaks only as how we should build our new system ALONGSIDE THOSE THAT ARE REPENTANT, not how we should cease or mete out consequences of the old. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 00:48 | 2813953 Vlad Tepid
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As I understand it, this was ripped from a Dan Ariely TED Talk.  But I didn't see any attribution at all, soooooo....

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 06:33 | 2814193 Acet
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I think there is also the effect that modern society has empowered the biggest cheaters to get into positions where they can do huge damage.

I was thinking about something related just this morning because of somebody I know that tends put on a fake (cheerful and trying to impress) persona and how it is self-defeating:

- As people we have finely tuned instincts to detect deceit. Even without having noticed it at a rational level, we tend to believe less those who do not feel genuine, we don't give them our trust as much, we don't respect them as much and certainly we don't get inspired by or admire them

- I think that these instincts are the result of milenia of "conflict" between the small percentage of people with sociopatic tendencies and the majority which knows that cooperation with individuals that cooperate back is a net gain but cooperation with individuals that don't cooperate back is a net loss. It is a very, very beneficial trait for an individual to be good at spotting that the person on the other side is unikelly to hold on to their side of the bargain.

The thing is, in modern society, most interactions with "leaders" is not face-to-face: things are too big, there are too many people, so we "know" them through TV, Newspapers, Magazines. The problem is that our instincts don't work nowhere near as well when outside of face-to-face situations where one has some control (for example, to ask your own questions). Think how many "Top CEOs", at one point celebrated in the press as heroes, later ended up severelly damaging the companies they managed.

I think that this has made it easier for the untrustworthy and even sociopatic types to get themselves in those positions.

That's my theory. Comments pls!!!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:41 | 2813467 Shatmadim
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Maslow has something to say about motivation.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:43 | 2813471 Arbysauce
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So the cartoonist can't lie to other people and 'feel good about himself' ? That's why he's a cartoonist and other people run the show.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:48 | 2813478 WAMO556
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What a bunch of cynics. A thief thinks others are thieves and a coward thinks others are cowards. You know the saying that momma used to tell you: "it takes one to know one". Just saying.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:51 | 2813486 roadsnbridges
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How would this change if Corzine was wearing orange?

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:55 | 2813496 roadsnbridges
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Oh look!  A Lib luvs Corzine!

Color me shocked.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 20:59 | 2813503 DormRoom
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I stopped trusting in fiat currencies when the world's reserve currency (USD | QE3), and the  two alternative reserve currencies (EURO & YEN) are being printed with reckless abandoned.  pause, and think about that.  All three major world currencies are being diluted without limit. And it is now policy to do so.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:00 | 2813511 adr
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I am honest and it has nothing to do with looking myself in the mirror. I am honest because I believe it is right.

I have had the opportunity to profit from dishonesty many times, but never did. However, those opportunities did show me just how dishonest most people in business are today.

Big business in the USA is about 98% corrupt and dishonest. The things I see that go on make me want to head into the nearest belltower with a rifle.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:02 | 2813513 tickhound
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'I always tell the truth,.. even when I lie'

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:06 | 2813519 JuliaS
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I'm with the gold standard solution under full reserve banking - elimination of the ability to cheat through credit and deficit manipulation. Desire to abuse the system will always be there. Psychological incentives work for some people some of the time and that is simply not good enough when it comes to choosing a monetary unit upon which the entire economy rests.

Giving the cheaters another chance? Well, I'm willing to negotiate a 3 strikes and you're out rule, or something like that. In case of the Fed it's 3 QE's and you're going up the fucking tree with a rope around your neck. How's that for an incentive?

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:11 | 2813522 Atomizer
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UN peacekeeping forces who receive US taxpayer aid, destabilize new globalization zones to keep Bernank QE3 kicking the can down the road. Wash, rinse and repeat. 

Darfur Genocide Documentary-2007 

Central Planning bullet point is to create global growth in poverty stricken zones. Forecast projections run off the charts for S&P characters borrowing money under the QE3 pretext.

The Battle of Globality 

One day, a light bulb will go off. You’ll have figured out the monetary illusion held since December 23, 1913. Using December 21, 2012 is going to be used as a defensive mechanism to raise fear by remaining in complete control.  

 

That's the script, no smoke & mirrors. Enjoy

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:11 | 2813525 zorba THE GREEK
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I have believed for some time now that the vast majority of politicians in government

have the mindset that they are a benefit to society and a force for good, while they are

bought and paid for by every corrupt entity on the face of the earth. Many start out with

high ideals and morals like the VP JB, but after many years in the political system, are

gradually corrupted without ever becoming aware of it. There are those, of course, who

were corrupt from the get-go and only got into politics to reap the benefits. I know that

many younger people on this site think all politicians are crooks and evil, but many 

didn't start out that way. When the system crashes and implodes, and no doubt it will,

hopefully we will be enlightened enough, by the experience, to rebuild a government that

doesn't corrupt good men. The first change would have to be term limits and lobbying

controls. Donations need to be limited to $10.00 per person and $100 per business.

etc...etc...etc... you get the picture, Zorba is no brain trust, but it doesn't take one

to get the big picture.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:58 | 2813634 Elliott Eldrich
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Zorba, I have an alternative idea for reforming our political system: Simply make it illegal to spend any more than a bare minimum amount of money on any political campaign, with a strict spending limit set to a truly tiny amount of cash. Instead, a prospective public servant goes out and personally collects a number of signatures backing their candidacy, and once that has been accomplished they get access to their own individual .gov website. They use that website to upload whatever pictures, videos, position papers etc. they wish to make their case, without spending more than a truly minimal amount of money in the process.

Once this is set up, then any citizen who wants to see what any candidate has to say can go to the .gov election website. Debates could be done using video conferencing such as Skype, and saved for later downloading by anyone interested to see what was said. This would eliminate the need for candidates to spend the majority of their time raising campaign funds, freeing them to instead work on things like developing policy positions and proposals for legislation.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:09 | 2813526 Raymond Reason
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Catholic confession comes from the tradition of the early church, which was to confess sins publicly, in front of all parishioners...eventually it was changed (out of pity?).  Confessing to a priest is a humiliating experience.  I can only imagine the pain of confessing in front of all of your friends and acquaintances.  Either way, confession is a deterrent, and a wonderful relief.   

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:37 | 2813574 zorba THE GREEK
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Raymond, Most catholic churches have removed the confessionals, because many priests

were using them to molest young people. The Catholic Church has been covering up abuse

by priests for over a 1000 years. The cover-up has been far more detrimental to society

than the crimes, as it has allowed individual priests to molest hundreds of children for many years.

As a former Catholic educator, I have come to the conclusion, after much investigation and

meditation, that the Catholic Church is corrupt beyond repair and needs to be abandoned.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:09 | 2813646 Raymond Reason
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I'm Orthodox and we've been doing confession since the apostle's time. Its done hushed tones with the priest in the corner, in front of all the parishioners.    It is an essential part of being Christian.   But you are Greek, so i'm sure you are familiar with this.  When you say they have done away with the confessional, you mean the booth, i presume?  Not the actual sacrament of confession. 

In a lot of ways i agree with you about the Catholic Church.  I'm not crazy about the Protestants either. 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 23:25 | 2813812 zorba THE GREEK
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Raymond, I am Orthodox also. In the Greek Orthodox Church, one confesses face to face with a priest.

Because Greek Orthodox priests are allowed to marry before they are ordained, they have far fewer problems

with sexual abuse. I married a Roman Catholic and we both were active in the church. We sent our children to

Catholic schools and our only son was molested by priests. The school had a group of molesters in it including

the principal. 25 years later, our son and over 140 others sued the Diocese. He received over a million dollars.

A billion dollars could not compensate for the damage that was done to him mentally and spiritually. He has 

forgiven them, I have not. If it was in my power, I would destroy the the Catholic Church for what they have

done to my son and many others. My faith in God has not been shaken, nor has my wife's. WE just now

realize that God is not in charge of the Catholic Church, Satan is.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 02:09 | 2814026 Raymond Reason
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Wow!  My God, that is horrifying.  Terrible, terrible. 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 10:25 | 2814877 zapdude
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I'm so very sorry.  As a father of six, I cannot imagine the awfulness of that situation with my own children without resorting to carefully calculated revenge, which is wrong as well but I feel is inescapable.

My wife and I watched the documentary "Deliver Us from Evil", which covers the monster priest Oliver O'grady in California in the 70's & 80's.  It's very difficult to watch because of the suffering these people is just gut-wrenching, but all parents need to see this.  There are millions of more monsters like him worldwide. 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0814075/

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:16 | 2813532 buzzsaw99
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Cattails and water lilies flourish in cesspools, that does not make them corrupt. The maggots may tell themselves that they commit endless atrocities on my behalf but if it were up to me things would be different.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:19 | 2813539 Yen Cross
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& Maggots eat "dead flesh" Buzz.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:25 | 2813552 buzzsaw99
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hello Yen,

possibly what irks me the most is when "they" expect gratitude for all the heinous shit they do in my name and pretend to do for my benefit

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:35 | 2813570 Yen Cross
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We are" INEXORABLY" , connected Buzz.  We'll always catch-up, one way or another! I'm always looking out for you!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:16 | 2813682 Atomizer
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 Hello Yen Cross:

By manipulating the international community culturally, country traditions, religion, class envy, and secular humanism. It only paves the way for new revenues from dried up income streams. As the central planner press the scale to get everyone pissed off, they’re calculating new laws to keep the system solvent by new exuberant legal fines. 

Creating chaos is the only way to perpetrate creating new Government Dependents. I really think everyone is not going to fall for this last attempt in killing each other under USA State driven TV media propaganda. In fact, I think the shit stirring elite groups are on suicide watch about now.  :)

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:42 | 2813543 Cabreado
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A healthy personality and conscience requires rationalization to work its way thru stealing a pencil.

The Malignant Narcissist and the Sociopath are not healthy, have an Entitlement where "conscience" would otherwise reside, and therefore there is no rationalization required...

The World is not dealing with pencil-pilferers.

The World is dealing with a final (again) saturation of the pathologically Self-Absorbed in critical places of influence and control.

So then, in fact this presentation is dishonest out of the gate, and smells like a bad attempt at nudging-to-normalcy bad behavior...

with the criminal acts and treasonous acts that brought us here once again snowed-over.

 

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:40 | 2813575 KennyW
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This guy states the obvious. The problem is the system now tends to ignore reality. The author of the video suggests changing the incentives to modify behavior. Sort of like the dog in Pavlov's experiment. Maybe toss in some Benjamin Spock theory of child development and see what you get. No, all theories of social behavior and morals have been "shaked & baked", "mixed & matched". They all seem to work for a while until the true heart of man intervenes and the corrosive corruption begins and ultimately the cycle begins anew. Will the next cycle of change be the same as all those that came before? Will the heart of man be changed? Believe it or not. The answers are in the Bible.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:43 | 2813591 Seasmoke
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Fucking Asshole Baby Boomers !

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 21:47 | 2813610 Yen Cross
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Gen-X-- to you ? Reply????    Show a little compassion!  BTW/ If you are smart/ and have an open platform? Risk is getting EXCITED!

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:19 | 2813627 blunderdog
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A LOT of the RSA Animate stuff kicks ass.

(Note he didn't emphasize the difference between cost of production of serving food vs. the cost of production of copying audio files.)

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:00 | 2813640 pamriallc
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We are honestly human.....so much tautology.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2813691 stiler
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Amen, Kenny W

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:26 | 2813696 nah
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if you dont like it vote for romney

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he belives in god

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 22:34 | 2813711 stiler
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you mean greek mythology repackaged?

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 23:30 | 2813824 optimator
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Bernanke IS a cartoon character.  Elmer Fudd with facial hair.  But unlike Fudd, the B has corrected his stutter.

Wed, 09/19/2012 - 23:58 | 2813882 Radical Marijuana
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Mark Twain quotes on dishonesty:

Truth is mighty and will prevail.

There is nothing the matter with this, except that it ain't so.

THE BEST LIARS BELIEVE THEIR OWN LIES.

There is a sliding scale from consciously lying to wilful blindness, that refuses to investigate, even after there are plenty of reasons why one should.

The problem I have with this RSA video presentation is that it is TOO psychological, and almost nothing else, WHICH IS TOO DAMN TYPICAL!

OF COURSE,

INCENTIVE SYSTEM IS SCREWED UP.

IT GUARANTEES RUNAWAY FRAUDS,
AND RATIONALIZATIONS OF FRAUDS!

OF COURSE,

THE INCENTIVES SHOULD BE CHANGED!

However, dishonesty means a lot less without violence to back it up. The present system is NOT just fraud, it is fraud backed by the power of government to kill people who do not agree to go along with the frauds.

Governments have the power to tax, which is legalized robbery, and governments have the power to define what is the legal tender that one MUST pay one's taxes in, which is the fundamental power that turns fraudulent fiat into "money."

The crucial achievement of the international central banksters was to take over control of governments, to use governmental powers to rob, and to back that up with the power to kill those who resist being robbed, and PRIVATIZE THAT!

Effectively, what the banksters have done is PRIVATIZE the sovereign power to rob and to murder.  This RSA video presentation skims across the surface of that, talking about the psychology. However, the banksters' frauds are backed by force!!!

All of the legalized lies that control our civilization are backed up by legalized violence. Without that, then we could discover we were being tricked, and stop agreeing to be tricked. We could understand the fraud, and stop being fooled by it.

However, in the world where the triumph of organized crime has taken control of governments, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF WE LEARN THE TRUTH!!!  The lies are still being backed up by violence.

That is the greatest "rationalizing" force behind the triumph of the frauds.

Furthermore, it plunges one into a way, way, way worse dilemma after one understands that, since we see that frauds backed by force are a runaway system of organized lies and robbery.  Furthermore, those have been astronomically amplified by science and technology to become global electronic fiat money frauds, backed by atomic bombs.

Therefore, learning that fiat money is created out of nothing, and is systematically robbing most people, and transferring their wealth to the Fraud Kings does NOTHING to change that situation. It all just continues to automatically get worse and worse, and learning about it more only enables one to perceive better those social facts!

After any group in society starts to get away with fraud, through their application of the principles and methods of organized crime, then they become more wealthy and powerful, and therefore, even more able to get away with more frauds!

AGAIN AND AGAIN, WE ARE INSIDE THAT RUNAWAY FASCIST PLUTOCRACY JUGGERNAUT, WHICH IS GOING TO TURN MOST OF US INTO ROAD KILL.

HOWEVER, THERE  IS APPARENTLY NOTHING REALISTIC OR PRACTICAL WE CAN DO TO STOP THAT. THE HUGE LIES ARE BACKED UP WITH LOTS OF VIOLENCE.

The established systems do NOT CARE about evidence and logical arguments, they ONLY CARE about being able to continue to be able to be more violent, in order to enforce their legalized lies.  The established systems deliberately ignore evidence and logic, because they benefit from their lies being backed by violence.

THEREFORE, THE FASCIST PLUTOCRACY DOES EVERYTHING IT CAN TO INCREASE ITS MILITARY POWER ABROAD, AND THE FASCIST POLICE STATE AT HOME.

THAT is the real way that the legalized lies that control our lives are being rationalized or justified, WITH LEGALIZED VIOLENCE. Therefore, whatever one attempts to do, to present better evidence or better logical arguments, always ends up being worth practically nothing. The real world continues being bigger lies, backed up with more violence, getting more psychotically insane, since the bigger lies keep getting farther and farther away from reality, while the greater violence can keep those lies going, but also becomes more and more dangerously psychotic too!

Another correct aspect of this RSA video is that it mentions the ratio between little liars and big liars. The little liars, stealing little bits, end up stealing more than the big liars, stealing big bits. Again, this RSA video stays within the facile world of PSYCHOLOGY, using false fundamental dichotomies to explain things. There is no way to reconcile that with physics or biology, where there are unitary mechanisms.

By definition, human reality is ALWAYS organized systems of lies operating organized robberies. The government is ALWAYS A GANG OF CRIMINALS. The banksters are the biggest gangsters, who have been able to take control of governments. Meanwhile, people are brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories.

Citizens need to understand that they ARE members of an organized crime gang, and therefore, act accordingly. Instead, enough are brain dead sheeple, being fleeced and slaughtered, because enough of them can be fooled enough of the time. Therefore, the powers of "We the People" have been taken over by a tiny minority, and are used against the vast majority. Unfortunately, we then have most of the opposition being controlled to say we should all become better sheep. The only scientifically valid way to understand human reality drives the conclusion that we should all be better wolves.

At some point, enough of us need to break through a paradigm shift in our politics, to stop using facile psychology to superficially understand our situation through false fundamental dichotomies, and then usually promoting impossible ideals, and that we should go to the wrong pole of those to establish unity.

Over and over again, I find that people do good historical analysis of the banksters, up to the point where they propose the same old bullshit "solutions," since those people are simply a wide variety of reactionary revolutionaries, whose "solutions" suggest we go backwards in different directions, depending upon which old-fashioned religion or ideology they still believe in.

Militarism is the supreme ideology, because it is the ultimate self-rationalizing and self-justifying one! There is a combined money/murder system. The debt controls depend on the death controls. There are level after level of paradoxes presented through the tunnels of infinite deceits, that enabled military victories, which then enabled those who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, to control civilization.

That was the REAL process that created sovereign states, and then, the continuation of those methods of organized crime enabled the covert shadow governments to control the public governments, to thereby PRIVATIZE the sovereign powers to rob and to kill, through the money system, to enable the Fraud Kings, the central banksters, to effectively control the money system, and for that to constantly loop back to direct the murder system.

THAT IS THE NATURE OF OUR REALITY. THAT IS WHY WE ARE CURRENTLY DOOMED TO BE INSIDE A RUNAWAY SOCIAL INSANITY, WHERE EVIDENCE AND LOGICAL ARGUMENTS DO ALMOST NOTHING, BECAUSE THE REAL WORLD IS CONTROLLED BY LIES, BACKED UP BY VIOLENCE, AND MOST PEOPLE CONTINUE TO ONLY UNDERSTAND THAT USING THE SUPERFICIAL IDEAS FOUND IN PSYCHOLOGY.

THEREFORE, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND "SOVEREIGNTY" AND DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND, BUT RATHER, WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE CHILDISH FAIRY TALES, AND IMPOSSIBLE IDEALS, WHICH ALWAYS BACKFIRE AND MAKE THE OPPOSITE HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD.

MONEY IS BASED ON MURDER. THAT IS THE REALITY.

AS LONG AS MOST PEOPLE REFUSE TO FACE THAT FACT, BUT WANT TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY THINK IS NICER, THEN THE REALITY WILL KEEP ON RUNNING AWAY TO GET EVEN WORSE!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 00:12 | 2813897 yatikto
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The incentive is "free money".

That's the problem.  The fed created this environment and sadly no one has the moral intelligence to realize that these people (wall street elites) are not bunch of "really smart guys" but addicts.

And addicts do not behave in a rational way.

 

if you believe in gold, you believe in absolutes of values.

This culture has been taught not to believe in absolutes. These are post modern times.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 03:16 | 2814073 Wraithlord
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Ben was having an existential crisis that got finally resolved with a resounding motto: I print and therefore I am!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 04:11 | 2814109 Double.Eagle.Gold
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Another alternative might be a national lottery, where every tax paying individual is entered into a lottery.

If your name is picked, you serve Congress Critter duty for 4 years.

No campaigns & 1 term campaign limits.

First order of business, b4 this system is put in-place, Federal budget is zero'ed. All employees are laid off, army sent home, all federal agencies are closed and buildings are bulldozed. Income taxes are eliminated, military service switches to Swiss style citizen volunteers, but no full-time storm troopers. All missiles are dismantelled, etc.

State Governments remain in-tact, just as Constitution originally intended.

The End

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 04:49 | 2814133 crouton
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This is the answer in the short to medium term. leadership would be correctly represented by a cross section of society, not favored to the narcissists who seek power regardless of the cost to that society.

Yes some morons and crooks would be in power, but a shitload less than now.

Perhaps thats why it's called a ballot box.

 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 04:45 | 2814129 crouton
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Sounds like a crock of shit to me, the problem is simply narcissism, its well defined, not hard to understand, even without infographics. We don't all have it, but continue to be stupidly sucked into voting for a hollow, projected image of what we have been brainwashed to define as success

Too few understand how these sub-animals rise to power

Too few understand what motivates them.

If more did, it would put an end to the 50% of posters who still think those in power are there to somehow fix things, and argue which self absorbed fuck will do a better job for 'the country'. *they* dont give a fuck about you or the country, only their image, driven by their inadequacies, all their energy goes into projecting a grandiose image, and zero fucks are given about anything else.

But it's easier to deny this and go along with it, because it touches on all our natures.

We idolise, worship & vote for the most broken of our species. The need to seek power is driven by the fear of the humiliation when the grandiose house of cards collapses. These people will kill you before they let you see them like that.

 

 

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 07:05 | 2814226 Papasmurf
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Shut up and write the check.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 08:27 | 2814367 DonGenaro
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"You've got to be honest; if you can fake that, you've got it made."
George Burns

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 09:36 | 2814644 mark mchugh
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"Just because my grandfather didn't rape the environment and exploit the workers doesn't make me a peasant. And it's not that he didn't want to rape the environment and exploit the workers, I'm sure he did. It's just that as a barber, he didn't have that much opportunity."

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 09:36 | 2814663 Grin Bagel
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The lottery concept, with some tweeks, could work. To help overcome the greed factor, a lifetime financial payment would be received for fulfilling your duties without committing corrupt acts while in office. All over-arching services such as defense could be contracted out if overseen by non-corruptables in the government. - Just a thought.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 12:00 | 2820285 malek
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The really good point he gets (and not many do) is at 2:52 "We are becoming a society with a higher distance between us & the consequences of our actions"

That is a perfect description, and the increase in distance is on purpose because if everyone does it, even a law against it becomes meaningless.

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