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Projected PIIGS Pillage: 3233.5 Tons Of Gold To Be Confiscated By Insolvent European Banks

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While hardly discussed broadly in the mainstream media, the top news of the past 24 hours without doubt is that in addition to losing its fiscal sovereignty, and numerous other things, the Greek population is about to lose its gold in a perfectly legitimate fashion, following amendments to the country's constitution by unelected banker technocrats, who will make it legal for Greek creditors - read insolvent European banks - to plunder the Greek gold which at last check amounts to 111.6 tonnes according to the WGC. And so we come full circle to what the ultimate goal of banker intervention in the European periphery is - nothing short of full gold confiscation. So just how much gold will be pillaged by the banker oligarchy (it is amusing how many websites believe said gold is sacrosanct by regional national banks, and thus the EUR is such a stronger currency as it has all this 'gold backing' - hint: it doesn't, as all the gold is about to be transferred to non-extradition countries)? As the World Gold Council shows in its latest update, between all the PIIGS, who will with 100% certainty suffer the same fate as Greece (which has shown that unlike during World War 2, it is perfectly willing to turn over and do nothing) there is 3234 tonnes of gold to be plundered. And likely more as further constitutional amendments will likely make the confiscation of private gold the next big step. how much does this amount to? At today's prices this is just shy of $185 billion. Of course by the time the market grasps what is going on the spot price of the yellow metal will be far, far higher. Or, potentially far, far lower and totally fixed as the open gold market is eventually done away with entirely in a reversion to FDR gold confiscation and price fixing days.

The chart below shows total gold holdings for the top 40 countries. Little Ireland is off the chart with just 6 tonnes of gold.


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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:50 | 2188819 GetZeeGold
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Just do it!




Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:51 | 2188826 Gully Foyle
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Kelly: [after he finds the hidden gold bar in the Colonel's bag] Sit down on this bench. I want you to have a drink.
Col. Dumpkopf: Under the Geneva Convention...
Kelly: This isn't Geneva, Colonel.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188893 Badabing
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 Is all that gold being held at the Duicher bank headquarters for the European Union?

If so kiss it goodbye!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:08 | 2188917 BaBaBouy
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My Real Go-To Value on GOLD is $40K / Ozs.


How much debt could this pay off ???

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:11 | 2188930 SHEEPFUKKER

And how much higher will the debt be by the time this charade is all over? 2X, 10X.....? It really doesn't make a lot of sense to take the gold if you can't back the currency legitimately. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2188943 ratso
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So, what is wrong all of a sudden with paying your bills even if it has to be in gold? 

Seizing assets that are pledged in a loan agreement is one of the foundations of our banking systems.  How does this all of a sudden become something dispicable like 'plundering"?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:22 | 2188984 SHEEPFUKKER

Ratboy.  Are bailouts and quantative easings part of the foundation of our banking systems?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:27 | 2189004 ratso
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Yes they are.  The sooner that you can accept those facts that the sooner you will be able to make rational decisions about the world and your own finances.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2189025 SHEEPFUKKER

They are until they are not. But yeah, I'm hedged accordingly, tks. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:30 | 2189032 trav7777
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dey bein jacked fo dey gold

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:36 | 2189063 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Silver's charts look bullish.  You do like to look at charts, don't you?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:13 | 2189252 JW n FL
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I Love Silver.. almost as much as I Love You.

Silver will out perform Gold, again.. some more.. until the cows come home.. on and on, you dont stop!

Signed, Christian Constitutionalist

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:48 | 2189399 donsluck
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Keep your religion at home. Only money religion here!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:22 | 2189555 tekhneek
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Praise 10 oz Baby Jesus (pamp suisse) Gold Bar.

See what I did there?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:09 | 2189708 DoChenRollingBearing
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Praise be to LOTS of American Eagles!  Gold, silver and platinum!  Drool.....

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:11 | 2189712 DoChenRollingBearing
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Oh, and unless I am missing something (could be!), NO WAY the bankers will get the PIIGS's gold...

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:16 | 2189718 engineertheeconomy
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thank you baby jesus

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:24 | 2189561 trav7777
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Silver looks to have bottomed for now, yes....still, if you draw a trendline off the tops, we're at an apparent area of resistance and right under the 200DMA

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:24 | 2189005 bdc63
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Let's take that one step further ... why are they asking the individual bond holders to "voluntarily" take 50%+ haircuts (a number we know is only going to continue to grow) and forgo the CDS insurance payouts that they are 100% entitled to from the banks, while in parallel every effort will be made to make the banks whole thru the ECB, LTRO, and now Greeces gold holdings (and probably soon to be Greeces private gold holdings)?  If its anything like the US in 2008, the Euro Union Banks will probably report record profits and bonuses in 2012.


Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:52 | 2189414 dcb
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the point isw to make sure no more drachma can come back, nothing at all in country reserves. that's why it is being done

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:48 | 2189638 azusgm
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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:22 | 2189737 Chariots of the Feds
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Time for the Rentenmark? 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:21 | 2189734 engineertheeconomy
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criminal bankers that lie, cheat and steal  are the foundation of our banking system. plundering is way too nice a word to describe what the cock sucking bankers do. I suggest you go fuck yourself ratso troll son of a bitch

Sun, 02/26/2012 - 13:44 | 2198038 Vagabond
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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:42 | 2189804 4horse
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Seizing assets that are pledged in a loan agreement is one of the foundations of our banking systems. How does this all of a sudden become something . . . [sp. not unintelligible]


ok. life is hard. and then you die.


bankers lie


etc .  .  .  yet, acquiescence, just who is expected to be found with a smile on their face as -rational financial decisions- they're supposed to just stoically accept this ongoing abu ghraib of tortuous and intentional humiliation at the hands of a known ethnic complicity  .  .  .  as sadistic as just unimaginably sick, to the very bone. the very soul, it seems, you'd have just who join you in being reasonable enough to get mine while scavenging amidstbodies. real lives their negligible nickels'n'dimes



when rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it

yeh. so you're not confused, Obedience being your very bonemarrow



Sun, 02/26/2012 - 15:14 | 2198321 PMakoi
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Debt? TPTB do not care about debt.  Debts are other people's problem.  Aquisition of all real property, intitution of all rules... they will eventually tell us how they're going to "save" us, and the masses will cheer!!  --Grunchtalk

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:12 | 2188936 redpill
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But none of this matters according to Bloomberg, they trot out Dominic "I'm so metrosexual I have to wear pink or baby blue every goddamn day" Chu to get all lathered up about the eventually-terminal Sears stock

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:17 | 2188947 bdc63
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Looks like the PIIGS are about to get slaughtered

"Private gold confiscation?!" ... now them is fight'in words.  'Katie, bar the door & load the shotgun -- the banksters are coming!'

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:55 | 2189169 Nussi34
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Better the PIFGIS get slaughtered than the Dutch. Finnish and German tax payer!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:50 | 2189412 donsluck
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Gold is a legitimate asset, and a NATIONAL debt can certainly be payed by NATIONAL gold. Isn't that what everyone here wants, a return to the gold standard?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:49 | 2189643 Think for yourself
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of course. But a legitimate national asset should only be meant to pay back legitimate national debts. Not illegitimate debts foisted on the people by external/supranational entities, not debts that have been ret-conned to have a claim on the nation's gold.
As longs as the greeks are asked to pay illegitimate debt back, they should pay back in fiat.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:55 | 2189662 caconhma
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For China, the only way to protect its fanny/fiat - money  reserves,  is to convert it into Gold.

After all, nobody knows how much gold China has. It is the number one gold producer in the world and sells nothing.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:56 | 2189668 4horse
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Timing . . . impossible, but this man's been right about more numbers than are possible to discount:


1. What is going to happen is going to take place in March somewhere between the 14th and 20th in all probability.
2. What will determine the fate of markets is what action China does or does not take in providing funds to IMF bailout funds.
3. I believe China can and will extract significant trade and other benefits for their presence.
4. I believe China will want the same immunity that the IMF just took for themselves on sovereign debt in liquidation.
5. Greek gold will be held hostage to their debt.
6. That will accelerate the modest trend of repatriation of gold for the cellar of the New York Fed to nations like Germany that are certainly able to store their own wealth.
7. There will be an acceleration in the trend of utilization of other currencies than the dollar for contracting internationally regarding goods, service, oil and minerals.
8. I do not agree that we are at the doorstep now of major changes in the international monetary system. That comes in June of 2015.
9. I am certain that we are on the immediate threshold of the monster kick of the financial can down the road that is a dead end.
10. I believe China and the US Fed will assist in that great last can kick that backfires.
11. I am certain that I am in the right business and that business is the identification and accumulation of gold as gold is the ultimate survivor of what is about to happen.
12. I am certain the gold industry is mad as a Danbury hatter in selling their product the moment they produce it.
13. I am certain the gold and silver industry is in a transition back to the dividend producers they once were.
14. I am certain that the volatility in gold, silver and equities we have already seen is nothing compared to what is about to happen.
15. The last man standing among asset categories as the new monetary system is introduced sometime post June of 2015 will be gold and gold alone.

Therefore the soundest investment now is what I, and others (McEwen) are doing in building companies whose inventories of goods to be sold are mineable ounces of gold and other precious metals in the ground moving towards production.

The immense shorts in this industry group are whacked out noobies without a clue.

New mines need never pollute. Old mines can never be cleaned up. Open pit and surface enrichment is the type of gold that will be least effected by rising costs.



Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:29 | 2189760 bdc63
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Whenever Sinclair talks, I for one listen VERY carefully.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:07 | 2188908 redpill
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United States 8,133.5?  Just had to put the .5 in there right?  The only reason you don't round to the nearest ton at that point is if you're MAKING IT UP.




Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:27 | 2189016 jekyll island
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Actually the 0.5 will be all that is left after the banks confiscate the gold when the US has to make a new "agreement"

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:50 | 2189138 ljag
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You notice all the print about gold confiscation yet nothing is said about the rarer silver. Gold manipulation is mild in comparison to the beating silver has taken. What's up with that JPM?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 18:01 | 2190784 DosZap
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yet nothing is said about the rarer silver.

Bro, silver is not more rare than gold.

There is far more available in the earths crust,the issue is USE.

And when the prices get feasible, you can bet your butt thats Silver will be mined for the sake of Silver.

Their is just a shortage of reserves due to use, and investment at present.

Known since the founders times the rate of % of Au to Aug is at least 15-1, in favor of Au.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:31 | 2189033 mayhem_korner
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The 0.5 is the weight of the paint covering the tungsten at Ft Knox.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:40 | 2189092 SHEEPFUKKER

That is some funny shit.  

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:52 | 2189843 4horse
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nice touch, mayhem

jus brushing up

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:54 | 2189660 MeetTozter
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When is the last time there was an audit @ Ft. Knox?  At least they could send the SEC & BLS down for some window dressing?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:09 | 2188911 BaBaBouy
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TROIKA Eat Shit ...

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188899 William113
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What's the big deal the FED killed Ole Muammar Gaddafi for his gold.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:13 | 2188941 spanish inquisition
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There is always an out for a sovereign from under the privately owned central banks if they have gold to start anew. Confiscating their Gold creates another pair of leg irons to get out of if they choose freedom over slavery.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188900 midtowng
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Spain sold half their gold a couple years ago. Italy is the Big Prize.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:50 | 2189644 Thomas Jefferson
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What about the Vatican?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188901 William113
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What's the big deal the FED killed Ole Muammar Gaddafi for his gold.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:39 | 2189085 Silver Dreamer
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A lot of nation states are going to be Gaddafi'd for Gold before this party ends.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:17 | 2188957 resurger
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Am Goldbarianized!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:18 | 2188961 Ruffcut
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Goldie B gone. I thought this yesterday that greeks didn't have any assets of value. Ok, now they don't. Now goldman can make their statue of blankfeen.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:50 | 2188821 holdbuysell
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But...but...Bernanke said gold was a barbaric relic. Why would insolvent banks care about such stuff?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2188844 Dr. Richard Head
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Because Banksters are the barbarians.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2188845 Al Huxley
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Actually that was Keynes. Bernanke said central banks hold it because of 'tradition'. So I guess the banks are just really into tradition.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:09 | 2188920 LongBallsShortBrains
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Barbaric traditionalists?.

Traditional barbarians?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:48 | 2189127 BigJim
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 Actually that was Keynes.

Actually Keynes was referring to the Gold Exchange Standard, not the Gold Standard, or Gold.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:57 | 2188853 alfred b.
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   Bernanke also said that Gold was being held by the U.S. as a matter of we see who are the real pigs!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 16:11 | 2190299 4horse
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canary in the goldmine, it's all about the benjamin's singing . . .








.  .  .  or, more, if you can bear it, History: how they keep their balance . . . fiddling-on-the-roof while, nero nerotic, homes burn around them while also composing ever-more kitschy katchy tunes and doomsday scenarios of wishfulthinking and stinking goy decomposition down at their knees . . . balancing. choreography. orchestration. the whole liars' choir, balancing that blackbook whose notes count how many. how much. how far can once again be pushed banking on the backs of their bernankers and banksters, Ragnarøkkr  .  .  .

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:03 | 2188884 AL_SWEARENGEN

Gold confers power.  Power comes to any man who has the color.


Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:11 | 2188929 yabyum
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I can see Al saying that.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:24 | 2189002 AL_SWEARENGEN

Actually it was George Hearst sharing his philosophy on Gold.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:51 | 2188822 BobPaulson
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One thing that has always pissed me off is that Canada doesn't have any.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:56 | 2188850 ZeroPower
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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:19 | 2189273 Nothing To See Here
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But that ground's being sold increasingly to the Chinese...

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:58 | 2188860 sabra1
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with a real estate market that only rises, who needs gold!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:19 | 2188967 jimmyjames
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One thing that has always pissed me off is that Canada doesn't have any.


Do you find it a bit strange that the guy who hated gold so much that he sold it all without a Parliamentary vote-sits on the board of directors of this company?

A company that at the time was forward hedged at $250 and gold was sitting at $800-

Seems they were able to clean up their hedges shortly after the price collapsed from the sale of a Canadian/UK gold dump-

#9 on the list-

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 16:25 | 2190356 4horse
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speculation that__ Gordon Brown sold UK's gold at the lowest price in the past 20 years, a thorny topic touched upon earlier by the Telegraph, simply to bail out mega banking empire Rothschild and, surprise, AIG, as well as who knows how many other members of the LBMA:

There is also a credible speculation that the sale was designed to
benefit a few of the London based bullion banks which were heavily
short the precious metals, and were looking for a push down in price
and a boost in supply to cover their positions and avoid a default. The
unlikely names mentioned were AIG, which was trading heavily in
precious metals, and the House of Rothschild. The terms of the bailout
was that once their positions were covered, they were to leave the
LBMA, the largest physical bullion market in the world.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:54 | 2188834 Dr. Richard Head
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Bankster Wolf: Little PIIGS, little PIIGS, your gold in my bin.

PIIGS: Come on in.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:54 | 2188836 ZeroPoint
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You think people will turn in their gold? HAHAHAHAHHA.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:59 | 2188866 rsnoble
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If you signed a paper stating ownership and the gov't sends you a letter hand it over or your ass is going to jail.............then the answer is "yes" for most people. Just like the answer is "yes" ill pay the IRS for fear of prison.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188891 redpill
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Free Irwin Schiff!!!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:09 | 2188922 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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the answer from me would be fuck off and die...however, yes, hide it where no one knows about it...yethypothetically, I'd go to jail instead of handing it over

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2188977 Alea Iactaest
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No need for so much drama...

Imagine a future where people will not *want* to hold PMs. No confiscation will be necessary this time around. Here's one possible scenario:

You will be allowed to own all the gold you want. However, every purchase/sale transaction will be reported to the IRS. It will be subject to very high tax rates, and if you can't produce documentation of purchase your gold will be subject to the maximum tax rate. People will not want to accept gold due to the requirement for documentation. Further, anyone accepting gold for a transaction who does not report it will be subject to financial penalties and/or jail. Face it, even the black market price is likely to fall under such circumstances.

Of course it's likely that cash will be outlawed. Instead, all transactions will be recorded digitaily. The electronic wallet will be the accepted form of payment thus making it more imperative to carry your cellphone personal GPS unit at all times. Since the microphone already can be remote activated you also will have all conversations monitored. Also, all movements of your personal GPS will be logged and algorithms will identify clusters of people meeting and/or congregating. You will be known by the company you keep.

Have a nice day.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:40 | 2189089 chubbar
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Gold will travel to where it is freely valued and unhindered. This strategy won't work.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:56 | 2189671 Think for yourself
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he's talking blue-sky absolute tyranny scenraio. There will be nowhere for gold to travel to since the implementation is meant to be global. Timeline, what, 10-30 years?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:42 | 2189097 ljag
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I don't see too many drug dealers 'reporting' their sales yet sales seem to be escalating y/y....not to mention penalties getting worse. Just need to grow a pr there mr. AI.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:18 | 2189539 vato poco
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The "War on Drugs" has only been going on for 97 years now. Give 'em a little time: they'll cure it soon.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:22 | 2189554 trav7777
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the law only applies to the law abiding.

You can see this in full effect every day in cities, where low-level miscreants with significant records are not even bothered with by the police.  They just smack them a bit or steal their stuff.  A suburbanite gets the full monte treatment.  They let the hooker go and bust the john.

Same thing was true in schools and with every public authority system.  The kids in the back who didn't give a shit and got Ds were just ignored.  They got away with bloody murder.  God forbid you even drop a pencil if you're a student who cares.  The teachers take out all their pent up frustration over having their authority flaunted on you because they know it matters to you.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:09 | 2189236 pods
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Well that certainly is a plausible scenario.  Of course, when a people are repressed to a certain degree, they make it difficult for those in charge to keep control.


"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." 

Princess Leia


Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:01 | 2189470 trav7777
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shut the cellphone off.  Get rid of it.  You'll survive.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:56 | 2189670 azusgm
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Pull the sim card.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:02 | 2189686 goldfish1
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You make a compelling scenario. I dissolve that thinking.

One EMP blast and no electronic wallet.

No documentation required on the black market and price will setlle at FMV.

Have a nice day.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 17:30 | 2190687 boattrash
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Lotta truth there. Why do you think gold sales tracking/reporting was legislated, In the HEALTH CARE Bill of all places? But, the main reason we have not yet seen a "cashless" system, is that it would be harder for politicians to conceal their bribes/pay-offs. But we always have the right to donate lead if need be.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:00 | 2189197 Seer
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WARNING: If you opt to go to jail then chances are everyone will know why, resulting in a big treasure hunt operation at YOUR place!

The sad reality is is that thieves often are willing to take just a cut.  That's how the IRS operates...

There's ONLY one thing one cannot get more of: TIME (don't waste in in prison)

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:10 | 2188925 kridkrid
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Yup... and numbers won't be on your side if you are part of the enourmously small minority who are holding it.  It doesn't matter how illogical the position, holders of gold will be made out to be the criminal.  Just like how "speculators" are to blame for high energy prices or shorting a market, etc.  Responding rationally to a fraudulant system will be blammed for the damage caused by a fraudulent system.  Nice racket.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:18 | 2188963 tarsubil
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Just like money brokers were the bad guy for demanding specie from banks. Good thing I'm not a money broker or hold any gold since that unfortunate boating accident.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:23 | 2188996 kridkrid
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Also a good move to NOT replace your guns.  Guns are dangerous.  They can do much less harm sitting at the bottom of that lake.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:52 | 2189840 trav7777
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what about the children at the bottom of the lake?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:21 | 2188979 Raymond Reason
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Actually they won't use the term "prison".  It will be some kind of acronym like GULAG. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 15:29 | 2190041 Think for yourself
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Government University for Lawful Assimilation of Goldhoarders? 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:37 | 2189070 ZeroPoint
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I don't see how that would happen. The IRS is supposed to tax income. If you sell gold for federal reserve notes, then yes, you need to declare it. As long as gold remains non-monetized, the IRS can't do fuck all.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:40 | 2189360 CynicLaureate
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Check out , "IRS: Recordkeeping Tips for Barter Transactions"

"The Internal Revenue Service wants to remind small business owners that bartering transactions generally have associated tax reporting, accounting and recordkeeping responsibilities"

Form 1099-B, Bitchez.




Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:22 | 2189530 wee-weed up
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"the IRS can't do fuck all"

Wanna bet? Laws and regulations will be changed as necessary.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:01 | 2189683 caconhma
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Gold is different. If your one it, it is very easy to hide and deny its ever existance.

As for IRS, too many people cheat on their statements. Just ask our President and his associates & friends.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188897 sessinpo
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I don't think we are talking about jewelry and coinage that the population would have. We are talking bars held in vaults.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:23 | 2188995 Alea Iactaest
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What you think doesn't matter. What matters is what your masters think. Unless you are a Primary Dealer in which case I'm the one talking out my ass, Master.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:09 | 2188923 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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When the State puts the barrel of a rifle in your face and demands that you give it up, what are you going to do?


Because that's the inevitable end product of government: guns in faces and boots on necks.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:17 | 2188956 FeralSerf
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Armed robbery? Our government would perpetrate an armed robbery?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2188973 tarsubil
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Well, the Federal income tax is armed robbery but they just dress it up to make it seem it isn't. Don't think about it too much otherwise you'll go crazy like senior Gould.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:48 | 2189827 Seer
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The IRS just passes the note that it has a "gub."

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:17 | 2189259 pods
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There is no need to get violent.  Our government is very civil.

"Indeed, in 2008, it was reported that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had ordered Leatherman multi-tools inscribed with the letters ATF--"Asset Forfeiture" and "Always Think Forfeiture." Researchers point to evidence indicating that the use of state forfeiture is, likewise, extensive and growing."



Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:35 | 2189058 thecoloredsky
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They'll probably assign your neighbor to do the collecting in as their best efforts to confiscate without violence. At least if I was a cynical banker thats what I would do.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:36 | 2189062 ljag
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If you see a swat team advancing on your home in order to put "guns in faces and boots on necks", what is the point in NOT resisting? I bot my guns so I could defend myself...not just stand there and let whoever take what they want (of course, I lost all my guns and my gold while crossing the river so I'll have to get some more one of these days). In the end, they may get what they came for but not without some 'costs'.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:52 | 2189839 Seer
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The highest survival rate for Germany's Jewish population during the Nazi era was for those who resisted.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:39 | 2189088 ZeroPoint
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If we get to the point where to government is doing door to door confiscation, we have much more serious problems. Imagine Waco 100,000 times over.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:21 | 2188978 Vince Clortho
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FDR made it illegal for private citizens to own gold (about 1933).  Citizens were threatened with fines and Jail time if they did not turn it all in to the banks at a govt determined price.

After everyone turned their gold in, the price of gold was raised dramatically and the govt reaped a huge profit.

It has only been "legal" for private US citizens to own gold for the last few decades.

Does anyone think our benevolent rulers would hesitate for a moment to go after private gold after the fiat monetary system crashes  ... there is a nice profit to be made by creating some simple legislation similar to FDR's Gold Act.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:22 | 2188990 tmosley
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You think vault managers won't turn over other people's gold?  HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:55 | 2189167 ZeroPoint
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Good point. Not everyone stores 100% of their gold in managed vaults though.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:54 | 2188839 GOSPLAN HERO
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The USA has the biggest tungsten reserve.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:56 | 2188846 Sophist Economicus
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At today's prices this is just shy of $185 billion...


Ha!   And that is why the paper price is transparently bogus.    Does anyone really believe that these folks would go to all that trouble for $185 billion?    They understand the true value of physical -- and it is worth alot more than that...

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:02 | 2188878 chubbar
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I went to give you an up arrow but it wouldn't register on just your name/post, was able to up arrow a couple other posts. Odd.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:07 | 2188909 weyes1
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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:43 | 2189014 Hansel
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Here is the link to vote up Sophist Economicus.  You'll have to refresh the page to see the new votes.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:27 | 2191976 w a l k - a w a y
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Thanks for your xerohedge fixer, it sure makes it easier to read!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:13 | 2188940 LongBallsShortBrains
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I read here once that if you start your post with italics, no arrows. 8(

One up

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 13:34 | 2189590 Nozza
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It appears to be so... or not.

It's the em tag for emphasis, not the i tag lol

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:14 | 2188949 kridkrid
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Starting a post with a quote makes the post itself unavilable to up arrow.  Some of my most brilliant thoughts have started with a quote.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:34 | 2191978 w a l k - a w a y
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 Put a space before the quoted or italicized text.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:32 | 2189030 Christophe2
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Seems there's a bug on ZH wherein posts that start with italics can't be voted on :)

(edit: I should have refreshed before posting... oh well)

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2188847 exodus11
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If Greece hands over its gold they deserve what they get.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:59 | 2188869 knightowl77
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Agree...if the Greeks do not rise up then -it is just too bad for them..

I am reminded of this by Samuel Adams...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Shame on them

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 17:17 | 2190626 DosZap
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Agree...if the Greeks do not rise up then -it is just too bad for them..

IF the other PIIGS see this happening, and do not immediately "MOVE" their reserves, then they deserve to be screwed.

A Voluntary DEFAULT is better than being raped, and pillaged, and losing your sovereignty.

ICELAND is a great example...............................^ UP YOURS BANKSTAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:00 | 2191628 4horse
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The land on which Samuel Adams had been established was involved in a controversy between New Hampshire and New York. In 1774 Adams was so active in his advocacy of the New York side, he drew the wrath of Ethan Allen and 'The Green Mountain Boys' . . .

Allen spent a considerable portion of his life in the effort to achieve independence for what is now Vermont, commanding (1770-1775) an irregular force called the Green Mountain Boys, so named in defiance of the New York threat to drive Vermont settlers off the fields and "into the Green Mountains" . . .

Before Ethan moved...there was some protest and resistance against New York. What Allen brought to the situation was a magnetic personality, strong leadership, and organizational capabilities. Here he ran into Dr. Samuel Adams of Arlington, Vermont, our subject, who had ordered some Grant settlers to buy from him a second time those properties now located in the disputed area and claimed by New York. Fearing a violent response to his demands, Adams armed himself with a pistol in each hand, and announced he was ready for anyone who would attack him. Ethan walked up to Adams, knocked the pistols out of his hands and hauled him off to Fay's tavern in Bennington. It was here...At Fay's Catamount Inn, being the headquarters of the Vermont government, courts, major decision making, and drinking establishments, [that] Adams was found to be guilty and subsequently tied to a chair and set upon the Tavern's signpost overhanging the street. There he spent many hours in consideration of his ways while onlookers laughed and ridiculed him from below.






I am reminded . . . people not only named a beer after him, but drink it
. . . nevermind

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:12 | 2188873 lolmao500
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You mean, if the bankster fascist government hands out the gold to their friends and the Greek people/army doesn't overthrow the government, they deserve what they get? Because the Greek people got no say in the matter at the moment.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:20 | 2188968 kridkrid
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People miss this point repeatedly.  We want so desperately to believe that we are different than them, but we are not.  

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:21 | 2188981 knightowl77
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the greek people outnumber the pols a 1000 to 1 or more....they could easily throw these turds into the Med

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:28 | 2189020 lolmao500
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And the American people outnumbers the scum in Washington DC even more... what are you waiting for??

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:30 | 2189031 kridkrid
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So what.  We outnumber our pols something like 558,000 to 1... we haven't done anything.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:08 | 2188912 Ratscam
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what will happen is after the currrency reform (bank holiday= you loose all your money, the state will issue a new currency. They will back this currency with private real estate since there is no gold or public real estate left. Hence all the paid houses will enjoy a forced 30% mortgage in order to back the new currency, just as happenend in The Weimar republic.
Wash - Rinse - Repeat

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2188848 Joe Davola
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Does the US amount include what's already been confsicated by the Federal Reserve?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:55 | 2188849 sabra1
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Projected PIIGS Pillage: 3233.5 Tons Of Gold To Be Confiscated By Insolvent European Banks

now, if you squint your eyes, you see this!

Projected Fed Pillage: 3233.5 Tons Of Gold To Be Confiscated By Insolvent American Banks
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:56 | 2188851 americanspirit
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Lock and load.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:57 | 2188852 rsnoble
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I've wondered for sometime if gold was really the answer, do you really see the US gov't opting for collapse vs. take your gold? They'll probably both take your gold AND collapse.

If you could figure out a way to get gold without signing your life away that would be different. 

I have mixed opinions.  I suppose it couldn't hurt to have some just in case if you can actually afford to have something that could be taken away from you.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:08 | 2188915 chubbar
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So basically we are saying that the so called "free world" countries are going to "outlaw" gold and the damn communists are going to be free to own it? I guess with the level of thought control these assholes have going for them it is entirely possible this will pass muster. I hope Russia and China are buying gold hand over fist. Is it possible that they could be our answer/salvation from these globalists/one worlders?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:32 | 2189044 Raymond Reason
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I don't think Russia and China will be our answer, as US citizens.  But Russia is the enemy of the Western Elites. Russia is their nemesis, and who they fear and respect. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:49 | 2189136 chubbar
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If one or both of those countries introduce a viable gold backed currency before the globalists corral all the gold from these idiot sovereigns you might see some serious setbacks in their plans. I'm not counting on it, just saying.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:26 | 2189308 Raymond Reason
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Hope you're right. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 12:27 | 2189319 reload
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Paper games have a lot further to run, there is a deal more posturing, positioning amd stealing to be done. Meanwhile the dash for oil and gold is on. However when the days of unbacked paper end it will most likely be replaced by a currency with the backing of a basket of stores of durable value. An SDR backed by a basket of commodities ancluding PM`s but also Oil, Copper,Coal, Wheat and even rice will facilitate MUCH more global trade and draw in many more users (without the use of force) than a simple Gold standard reversion. I think this is already being talked about and studied in China, London, Moscow, Paris and NY, at least I am told it is by a Banker who I believe to have good information. In the meantime nobody will be allowed to go it alone.  


Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:45 | 2189106 Silver Dreamer
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Our government is the banks, so that is all you need to know.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:58 | 2188856 yabyum
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For those of you who mock the worth of gold: They aint taking the ouzo.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:58 | 2188857 lolmao500
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Good thing Canada doesn't have that much gold in the government coffers and a lot of it is in the ground... that leave less for the banksters to steal.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:05 | 2188894 weyes1
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Wait til they steal Canada

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 14:06 | 2189700 FeralSerf
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I think they already own Canada.  Isn't most of Canada "crown land"?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:58 | 2188858 dwdollar
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Setting the precedent for Italy. They got their eyes on Italian gold like Golum the ring.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:08 | 2188910 Crisismode
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Von Rompuy wants all that precious Italian gold for himself.


Maybe he will fall into a pit of molton lava after he gets his hands on it.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:59 | 2188861 kindape
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"Or, potentially far, far lower and totally fixed as the open gold market is eventually done away with entirely in a reversion to FDR gold confiscation and price fixing days."

Given trajectory of world events, I put this possibility at >30% in next decade

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 10:59 | 2188863 Quintus
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I'm as big a Goldbug (for want of a better description) as anyone else here, but I think we may be getting a little ahead of ourselves here with all this talk of gold confiscation.

What's really interesting though is that if Germany is so keen to get its hands on the Greek gold in advance of its future remonetization, why are they so complacent about leaving their own gold in the ever-so-trustworthy hands of its current custodians in New York?

If I were the head of the Bundesbank, I'd be much more concerned about repatriating the gold I already own than trying to lay my hands on Greece's comparatively modest pile.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:08 | 2188916 GeneMarchbanks
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Nobody within Pax Americana will be asking for repatriation of gold under present conditions. I've heard the Dutch were first to start asking questions but the conversation turned mute for so reason. Only outside countries will make requests like Venezuela did recently.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:10 | 2188924 Crisismode
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Because the same banking cartel that owns Germany owns America as well.


It all ends up in the same hands.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 11:58 | 2189192 BigJim
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