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Propaganda, Lies, And War
Submitted by James Miller from the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada
Propaganda, Lies, And War
If I asked what the cause of the American Civil War was, would your first answer be slavery? Would it surprise you to know that slavery was only one grievance the South had with the Lincoln administration?
Up until the first bullet was fired on Fort Sumter, Abraham Lincoln had been leading a type of economic aggression to force the South into initiating the official version of the conflict. When Lincoln ran for president, his platform was based on Henry Clay-inspired mercantilism where he promised to maintain a high protective tariff that would serve Northern industrial interests while impoverishing the South’s still predominantly agrarian economy. This, of course, angered the South much like it did when John Quincy Adams imposed the same type of tariff in 1828 which lead to the Nullification Crisis. With the Morrill Tariff, which increased the tax on dutiable imports by about 70%, put in place by President Buchanan two days before he left office, the South stood ready to secede. After Lincoln’s inauguration, he began to maneuver the seceding South into firing the first shot by breaking a previously established agreement to not attempt to restock Fort Sumter. He secretly sent troops the Fort which escalated into what turned out to be the bloodiest war in American history. Lincoln’s close friend and confidante Senator Orville H. Browning would go on to write in his diary:
He told me that the very first thing placed in his hands after his inauguration was a letter from Major Anderson announcing the impossibility of defending or relieving Sumter. That he called the cabinet together and consulted General Scott—that Scott concurred with Anderson, and the cabinet, with the exception of PM General Blair were for evacuating the Fort and all the troubles and anxieties of his life had not equalled (sic) those which intervened between this time and the fall of Sumter. He himself conceived the idea, and proposed sending supplies, without an attempt to reinforce giving notice of the fact to Governor Pickens of S.C. The plan succeed. They attacked Sumter—it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could.
Contrary to popular belief, the Civil War was not a fight over slavery but a fight over whether the South was allowed to secede from the union. Lincoln thought war would rally the North behind his special-interest driven agenda. The South sent numerous commissioners to Washington in the hopes of finding a peaceful solution to secession. Lincoln ignored all of them. As he stated in a letter addressed to Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune:
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
So why is this version of the Civil War not taught in public schools?
It’s a simple answer when you consider the driving force of statism.
When Randolph Bourne opined “war is the health of the state,” he was referring to how war is used as a means to enlarge the authority of government over everyday life. In times of war, the citizenry is told to sacrifice their material well being and freedom for the sake of winning the war and bringing the troops home. Taxes are raised, central banks inflate, governments borrow massive amounts of money, and economic resources are confiscated to be used in the war effort. War quickens the state’s march toward totalitarianism as it rallies the public into unquestioned obedience. Love of country replaces love of self and family. Mothers and fathers give up their sons (and now daughters) to fight in the state’s bloody crusade. The heads of government who initiated the conflict don’t let their offspring go and fight. Their pampered lifestyles usually don’t see the sacrifice taxpayers must endure.
Romanticized retellings of war assist in convincing the masses that the campaigns of murder carried out by political leaders were for the good of the nation. It enshrines the state as a life-saving guardian to those fortunate enough to not meet a gruesome death on the battlefield. In the case of the Civil War, Lincoln didn’t just save the union; he has forever made secession a nonviable solution to an overreaching Washington. Lincoln’s war of northern aggression turned these united States of America into the United States of America. It cost the equivalent of 6 million lives today for honest Abe to destroy the volunteerism which defined the union of the states in the decades that preceded the war.
Just as the Civil War was triggered by deceit, many of the wars or military conflicts of the past century have been fought based on the lies of a political class all too enamored with their own power and place in history.
Starting with World War I and Woodrow Wilson’s quest to “make the world safe for democracy,” the popularly spun tail is that America’s entering the conflict was in reaction to Germany sinking the supposedly innocent passenger vessel the Lusitania. After German subs sunk the ship, thereby killing women and children, popular support reversed and was now in favor of war. What wasn’t revealed immediately is that the Lusitania was really outfitted to carry armaments for the British. This was a strategy developed by then First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill to bait a German attack and bring America into the fight. As classical liberal historian Ralph Raico writes:
The Lusitania was a passenger liner loaded with munitions of war; Churchill had given orders to the captains of merchant ships, including liners, to ram German submarines if they encountered them, and the Germans were aware of this. And, as Churchill stressed in his memoirs of World War I, embroiling neutral countries in hostilities with the enemy was a crucial part of warfare: “There are many kinds of maneuvres in war, some only of which take place on the battlefield. . . . The maneuvre which brings an ally into the field is as serviceable as that which wins a great battle.
Then there is the often neglected role big business, especially JP Morgan & Co, played in the propagandizing of the war. As one of the largest creditors and underwriters to war bonds issued by the governments of Britain and France, it was in the best interest of the House of Morgan to guarantee the Allies won the war. As the American economy drifted toward one of top-down command where government cartelized industry to ensure adequate munitions for war, big business was more than happy to play along as it meant stifling regulations placed on their small-time competitors and the opportunity to keep prices elevated. This perverted form of capitalism would serve as a model to Western nations from the war’s end to the present day. Murray Rothbard believed the first World War was really a victory for the fascist state:
More than any other single period, World War I was the critical watershed for the American business system. It was a “war collectivism,” a totally planned economy run largely by big-business interests through the instrumentality of the central government, which served as the model, the precedent, and the inspiration for state corporate capitalism for the remainder of the twentieth century.
The beginnings of World War II were engulfed by the same collusion of big business and government along with underhanded tactics to further chip away at the American public’s noninterventionist stance. The Morgans still had their financial ties with Britain and France while the Rockefellers wanted war with Japan since the country competed for raw materials in Southeast Asia. Both financial powerhouses lobbied for war early on. After Franklin Roosevelt was reelected on the platform of keeping America a neutral party, he set about provoking a Japanese attack sometime around the summer of 1941. This resulted in an oil embargo, the forceful limiting of exports, and freezing the country’s assets within the U.S. It was the equivalent of an economic fatal wound to resource-poor Japan. Not only that, but in recent years it has been confirmed that Roosevelt had prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack and actually withheld key information from commanders at the naval base. As Vice Admiral and aid to the Secretary of the Navy Frank E. Beatty noted at the time:
Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me… that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way—and we knew their over-all import—pointed that way.
Following World War II, every conflict the U.S. has engaged in has been either to the benefit of wealthy special interests or in reaction to its own misguided policies. The Cold War was a four decade long gift to the military industrial complex against a supposed world power that collapsed due to its state-run economy. The various bombings and occupations of Middle Easter countries which followed have only served as excuses to not end the flow of money into the pockets of politically connected military contractors. And the Iraq War, as everyone now knows, was based on the lie of Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction.
One would think with such a rich history of political patronage in the death industry, Americans would be adamantly opposed to war. Yet the usual players in Washington are once again pounding on the war drums in the name of spreading American values. The target this time is Iran and at least one presidential candidate in this fall’s election has vowed to use military force on a nation that hasn’t bowed down and kissed Uncle Sam’s jackboot. The problem is Iran has the hubris of refusing to be bullied around by the U.S. Such an attitude undermines American imperialism in front of the rest of the world. It must be stomped out by any means necessary.
And then there is the big financial push for an Iranian war going on behind the scenes. The pro-Israel lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, has been aggressively pushing for war and appealing to top lawmakers and the heads of Washington’s warmongering apparatus. President Obama has already assured the flush lobbying group that “the United States will not hesitate to attack Iran with military force to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.” Department of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta made the same promise. Just last week, 44 Senators, including many Democrats, sent an AIPAC letter to the President urging him to consider military action if Iran continues with its nuclear program. The letter essentially makes war the only option on the table as Glenn Greenwald of Salon points out:
This implication is clear: a military attack by the U.S. on Iran is at least justified, if not compelled, if a satisfactory agreement is not quickly reached regarding Iran’s nuclear program. At the same time, the letter itself virtually ensures no such agreement is possible because the conditions it imposes as the “absolute minimum” are ones everyone knows Iran will never agree to (closing the Fordow facility and giving up its right to enrich uranium above 5 percent).
Not only is the push for war bipartisan, but much of the media establishment has been devoid of criticism of the constant war rhetoric. Even though Israel has nukes of its own, many of its supporters portray the country as a weakling in dire need of assistance from the bully of the Middle East schoolyard. Worse is the complete disregard of the fact that there is no actual evidence that Iran is concocting a nuclear weapon. According to the CIA’s own National Intelligence Estimate of 2007, Iran put a stop to the development of nuclear weapons in the fall of 2003. Other Western nations such as Germany, France, and Britain, deny the report’s conclusion. Meanwhile Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has gotten impatient of the reluctance by the U.S. thus far to act militarily against Iran. Like a good politician, he wants prestige without the dirty work. That’s what America is for.
Despite already being engaged in drone wars in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and still occupying Afghanistan, the U.S. is being duped into yet another war based on shaky evidence and at the behest of deep-pocketed special interests. This is coming even while a secretive cyber war already being waged to damage Iran’s nuclear capability. According to the Pentagon, “computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war.” Not only that, but the draconian sanctions thus far placed on Iran are doing enormous harm to the citizens who hardly have a say in what their government does. The Belgium-based SWIFT payment system that facilitates most international payments has already denied service to many Iranian banks. With the imposing of an oil embargo from the European Union just around the corner (July 1st) that will all but make it impossible for oil tankers to be insured by Lloyd’s of London, an actual naval blockade is being floated by U.S. lawmakers. Much like the Antebellum South and Japan, Iran too is being pushed into a corner.
What makes the campaign to extend the War on Terror to Iran is that the anti-American sentiment in the higher echelons of its government are only a consequence of previous meddling. After Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh nationalized the oil industry in 1953, British Petroleum used the CIA to overthrow the popular leader and put the Shah back in power whose authoritarian rule would be financially supported by the U.S. up to the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
Then and now, wealthy special interests are a driving force behind American imperialism. Lies will be spun till they are seen as facts. When the truth comes out, the irreparable damage will already be done. Like anything the state lays its filthy hands on, war is a racket. The beneficiaries of the ruling class’s gleeful foray into mass murder are few in number. The masses, still brainwashed into feverish nationalism, end up paying the costs with their pilfered income, eroded liberty, and, ultimately, their own lives.
As Major General Smedley D. Butler wrote in his seminal essay War Is A Racket
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
The only weapon against such an immoral system of mass murder and cronyism is to know the truth and to not fall ill with the fever of war.
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if by "spike" you mean "in interest rates" i already agree with you.
who benifits? --that would be those who already have oil--
How does Iran be anything other than destroyed? They're going through a hyper inflation. Is our war with the Iranian people? This is the financial equivalent of the Battle of Britain is it not? "An air-war that serves only to rally the people against the one conducting it."
the dying desperate empire, we are making growing, desperate and risky moves based more on pathetic aggression - losing resource and gaining enemies.
I recently read this book:
Quicksand: America's Pursuit of Power in the Middle Eastin which the author points out that 'Big Oil' has not really benefitted nor have they been particularly enthused about U.S. foreign policies in the Middle East...policies stemming from the 1917-1948 period...if you get my drift.
btw does anybody really believe that we are completely out of Iraq now? the op article implies that...
Big oil hasn't benefitted from American conquest? Are you quite sure about that?
Anyways check this out, here is Exxon's recruiting site for Khazakhstan:
http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/HR/Siteflow/Kazakhstan.asp
Because, you know, there's nothing going on out there involving any...money
"about U.S. foreign policies in the Middle East"
pretty sure that traditionally Kazakhstan is not considered as part of the Middle East...
Engdahl does good work
Have it in both in paperback and Kindle! Engdahl is super brilliant and cuts through the bullshit quite well!
Never apologize for giving links to good resources....many probably have not read your other posts.
There can never be too much truth out there!
Hello Gang, look at the macro level on this systematic problem. Siemens has been flamed out.
Straight from the playbook to create another Federal Reserve monopoly money injection crisis
Economic Collapse of 2008 - Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld Before Congress
Hank Paulson "The Worst is Just Beginning" in Housing
Fox: Hank Paulson changing TARP no apology
The basis of this story outlines the cost of your TeeVee sock puppets, by explaining to you about the next impending crisis. You better jump on the bandwagon again, Bankers need your donations to pay off bad gambling debts.
Screw You Taxpayer
Grabbing a nut crusher will further disable the enabler’s laundering taxpayer money operation from one failed shell company to another new operation.
They have two choices. Both choices make for sleepless nights. I will personally watch for amusement purposes.
Q: What are you going to do when the drug cartels start pulling money from their legit US banking accounts?
A: Declare to the public, our financial system is going to collapse if we don’t receive emergency funds to offset the European Union crisis.
Drive real fast bitches, your cliff awaits you..
http://www.reelz.com/trailer-clips/39745/fast-and-furious-clip-9/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbd6bRqNrc
Here's WW3 news...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9347826/Syria...
Moscow has announced a cargo ship would deliver weapons to Syria under the Russian national flag despite being forced to abandon its voyage when Britain withdrew insurance cover.
A few days ago :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9345368/Syria...
Syria: David Cameron considered ordering special forces to seize Russian ship
While this is admitted...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-st...
C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
Either Obama's bluff is called or shit about to get real...
Some suspect that Isreals stuxnet virus aimed at disabling Siemens controllers caused failure of Japans Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to correctly shut down after the tsunami.
Some also suspect that the Isreal security contractor for Fukishima planted explosives as well as stuxnet virus at Fukishima in retaliation for Japan assisting Iran with their nuclear program. If you want to go even deeper into the rabbit hole look at the video footage before the tidal wave hits land. No earthquake damage in the footage and for a 9 on the richter scale everything within a 1000km radius would be completely leveled.
It is all positioning and bullshit.
Osama was fingered for 9/11, yet I understand there were mostly Saudis on the planes.
No one has explained the inconsistancies of building number 7 and why it collapsed.
Then the word preemptive comes up. We all know Iraq was not self defense as it was not a threat to the Western Hemisphere.
And they still expect us to send our children to answer the call when the fellow in the White House orders to deploy?
The founding fathers warned us of these things and they are ignored.
Who is your master, a flag which no longer has any meaning in respect to honor, virtue or integrity? A government which also lacks honor, virtue or integrity?
Or your conscience?
The only threat to the west from Iraq was the petrodollar. You noticed one of the first things we did was take cargo planes full of fiat to Bagdad.
Obama and Romney are both warmongering neocon chickenhawks; never served in the milatry but are gung ho to send other people's kids to fight and die for the new world order. America had a chance to choose better but instead chose the status quo socialist neocon state. I served 4 years and the troops and vets really can't stand these chickenhawk commander in chief neocons. Really am not sure America will wake up in time to avoid complete collapse.
On a side note, i got properly fucked by gold and silver today; what happened to that safe haven bullshit?!
Always stack your shiny. Never tarnish it with leverage.
Sorry, that was me. I bought a few ounces of silver on Monday. Whenever I do, the price drops right after. You'll notice the price has been dropping a lot recently. Thinking about taking the boat out for July 4th, seems like should be good weather.
If you still have your gold, you are fine. Did you confise it with a speculation or a store of value?
Wjunk - i guess you are right - i have it physical and hope not to need it for at least another 10 years. But i thought all the US, EU and China fundementals were in place for it to sky rocket and instead it went down. I was hoping to splurge a little but now i am questioning the conventional wisdom on the fundementals of what causes gold and silver to buy more USDs.
+3 9--*9+
I buy when I can. I'll probably buy more over the next 30 days. Long term, yep.
"but now i am questioning the conventional wisdom on the fundementals of what causes gold and silver to buy more USDs"
We're riding a razor's edge with inflation on one side and deflation on the other. Gold is a hedge for inflation - dollars for deflation. We'll eventually get QE3, but until then expect gold and silver to continue dropping.
gold does not create liquidity. liquidity is what is used to purchase gold. since what the Fed is doing is drying up liquidity (all the money goes to massively purchase treasuries thus creating more government thus creating more government downsizing thus creating less liquidity) save for the equity space "as equity prices go so goes gold." Again...I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH GOLD NOR A GOLD STANDARD...but the thesis that gold is decoupled from equities under QE or Twist or Wannahokaloogie is simply false. "No different from saying the market can do nothing but go up." In short...a Ponzi scheme (unless and until the gold mining stocks start surging of course.)
A soldier coming to the truth and sharing it with the world is the strongest weapon you've ever held and the most powerful attack for change.
Thank you
If the Iranians promise to only nuke Washington D. C., I'm good. Let's solve this thing.
Heh. That oughtta get you put on a list.
The false narratives are sooo tiresome. Here in Canada the lemmings are still scrambling to defend the world from Global Warming.
Make sure the good Doctor RON Paul is safe in TX and I say its a freaking brillant idea. I would pack my crap tonight and move to TX pronto!
Dude...we are on ZH...we are ALL already on a few lists...duh
What about New York? It has one of the largest Zionist Ashkenazi populations on Earth, a large percentage of them in the criminal financial services industry.
As always,all conflicts are about women or monney.
And you can bet if women and money had penises, money'd still be a source of conflict.
I'm buyin' me a gold dildo to keep me happy.
All conflicts are about the control of Land, and the currency used by the citizens of that land (or resource).
You know Roth's said something, care not about ...Blah,Blah.....control the currency control the people!
Everything else is a tool used to divide/distract then sheer! Women, religion, colour, markets, media....etc..etc.
However, I agree that 99% of all personal conflicts, originate from percieved ownership of money and women/men.
The other 1% is just psychotic / sociopathic shite.
Ccanuck
what if that property is "your mind." would you let "that one go for free"? a "penny for your thoughts provided i know when your thinking it" if you will.
Fighting hard to keep my mind, would not give it away for anything, it's the only real thing we have that's worth anything.
98% of the people around me, pay the Politician/Religion/MSM to own thier's. I think they have learned to love and need the sheering to feel like they belong to one victimized group or another.
Ccanuck
The US military needs to do it's job and overthrow the US government. Domestic enemies, much more dangerous than foreign enemies.
You should get your own rifle and start the rebellion yourself. Go ahead, pull the trigger. We'll be right behind ya.
Riiiiight. No need to pull any trigger. But you need manpower to pull that off. You need generals and tens of thousands of troops across the country. You arrest the scum. Do trials on all tv channels.
A military coup - genius!! It's working out well for Egypt.
Well idiot , we are not egypt.
You read all these quotes from the past from US presidents and European politicians. They say the same thing secret moneyed powers control the planet and they know who those powers are.(Rothschild Banking) The POTUS is supposedly the commander and chief of our CIVILIAN ARMY. THE LARGEST fighting force on the planet. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY SCARED OF? Bankers with paper money? We know what they keep telling us we should be scared of well fuck you. We can't change the system cause the world will end ,FUCK YOU your control of the world will end that's all.
Who is protecting this private corporation? Is the whole US government FBI,CIA,NSA been sold out to these gangsters? Is there no one left to challenge this coup? Took over the USA, deemed our most sacred documents obsolete and pass laws to supersede them while they steal more without a shot being fired.
It is quite a shock that after 54 yrs I find that the country I live in has been feeding me nothing but lies to keep the CON going. Every fucking thing from that stupid pledge of allegiance in grade school to all the other Bullshit they feed us will make me a proud American so I may lay down my life to protect her FUCK YOU. It is all BULLSHIT. This is not the land of the free home of the brave it is a fucking business run by terrorist bankers for their benefit. "We the people" are their commodity to use and abuse at their command. America is nothing but a 235 yr old lie. We were a colony of England and now we are a colony of The House Rothschild. Disgusting.
It’s ugly. It’s true, in every intricate detail. And I’m extremely grateful that Zero Hedge, perhaps one of the few major economic websites with the courage to present an article of this impact, has provided these details.
Yes, the story is about war mongering and the death of innocents and soldiers, but it is also an economic issue. For it is money and power that have driven men to use this beloved country as their own personal weapon for wealth and advantage. So it is completely appropriate that an economic site such as ZH steps out to provide this scathing indictment of U.S. policy.
The wars for the banker cartel have taken millions of innocent lives in recent years. Looking at the people of Iran in their villages and in their daily activities - the families, the workers, the innocent lives - if America now takes those lives to add to all the others, this is likely to be the last war America will ever fight.
If the Swiss and other countries, because of the pressure from the American Empire, join in with these acts of war against a sovereign country that has no established threat against them, then they, too, will join in the unfortunate fate of the American nation.
Sure, its a racket. Sure there have always been profiteers in war. Sure things are influenced behind the curtains. Sure politicians are cowboys sometimes..but:
So if Israel is attacked by a nuke - unsuccessful - it was planned to start a war. By Israel?
But if Israel is attacked by a nuke - successfully - destroying most of Israel in the process -it was also planned by Israel...to start a war for someone else to finish, remotely waged by Israeli interests. Poof 1-2 million Israelis just for a good contract?
But if Israel prememptively attacks Iran - who is innocent and absolutely not planning to do anything at all, in spite of their rhetoric - it is still Israel looking for a fight? For money. For The Bankers. Who are Jewish. Or want to be.
And Iran and their leaders...who could shut ther friggin' yap about destroying Israel, but don't...well, they don't because Israel, you see, controls them too. Right? I'm tryin to track with ya here.
Hitler..the final soluton..never happened either, because the JEWS (because lets stop pretending where you are at here) deliberately sacrificed the millions of their kin, just for MONEY?
JEWS. MONEY. JOOOOOOOOS. MUUUUNNNNNEEEEEY.
OK. Got it. You could have saved a lot of digital ink and just said you hate the Joooos, because they are dirty monkey pigs who love money and would sell their soul if they had one. For money.
You would have pulled just as many people into your fantasy world as the longer post will and then gone back to your parents basement for another round of WOW while smoking bath salts.
Nice try at misdirection using the old antisemitism card. But it is only AIPAC and some parts of the Military Industrial Complex who want war with Iran. Deal with that fact and explain why the US should go to war for Israel. Explain why US soldiers have to die for Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. Especially when Iran is not even buildning nuclear weapons (2007 N.I.E), while Israel has something like 300 nukes without ever coming clean about its program or signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, in clear violation of International Law.
Accusing people like the writer of antisemitism is not going to get you anywhere anymore. Afterall, these days the antisemites according to Israel include people like Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter and all the Human Rights Organizations who have seen first-hand what is going on in the West Bank and Jerusalem. That card has been overplayed.
Try again.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm
1943: February 18th, Zionist, Izaak Greenbaum, head of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, in a speech to the Zionist Executive Council states,
He would go onto state,
This is not a surprise, the whole idea of Zionist support for the slaughter of innocent Jews was to scare the survivors into believing that their only place of safety was Israel. How else do you think the Zionists could ensure Jews leave the beautiful European cities in which they live, in order to settle in a desert!
we have military in Germany, Japan,Korea,balkins,england,mid east, far east,..only R paul asks why.
our largest embasy is in bagdad..why? Afgan and paki are crammed with our troops to fight a few sheep and goat tribes?
war is business and business is good.
It's even worse than that: http://jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/weissmandl.cfm
TEN QUESTIONS TO THE ZIONISTS by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L Dean of Nitra Yeshiva1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
6. IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
7. IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
8. IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
9. IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
10. IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
its also true that the mufti of jeruselem was an advisor to hitler, proposed the ultimate solution outline to him, did the original drawings for the gas chambers and raised two ss divisions in the balkans.
it is also true that hitler loathed christianity but admired islam and openly regretted that germany was a christian state.
islam and hitler worked hand in hand in palestine and were racing to prevent the jews from returning
if you check you will find the founder of the palestinean movement and his son are nazi admirerers and that this is why even to this day you will see hitler salutes and mein kempf in gaza.
just in case you want to add that to your list of "facts"
You better get used to the idea that you are nothing but cannon fodder to your elite, just like it is with any elite. Or continue being a useful idiot, the IDF sure needs a lot of you (or your children).
oh, and I thought you might say something about the content of my post, if you have something to say at all, not just engage in the usual name calling when confronted by facts. I could just as easily claim you are cannon fodder for george soros and the banks who have duped you with their acorns and wikileaks and barry soteros and seius and all the rest. Do you not see you are cannon fodder and for whom you "occupy" wall street
even many of the young jews in Israel are starting to call bullshit on this logic and starting to realize their government may very well be screwing their future. Oil and the West's history there is the main story. Ironically , this ever collapsing strategy of hate and boogeyman hatred is the most dangerous policy possible for the young children in Israel - just like everyone everywhere
29 people cannot stand to hear the truth
This war will be the one that takes down the military industrial complex. It will be long , bloody, and the final drain on the treasury. My guess is we will see the U. S Achilles heel... The over reliance on technology.
OUr achilles heel is an ovefed, over entertained and apathetic citizenry.
No problem....like all decaying empires just go and hire ruthless, incompetent, unmotivated, unquestioning mercenaries.
I completely disagreed with your post earlier and down arrowed ya but I completely agree with ya on this one.
I love this fucking place.... long live ZH!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
http://www.rense.com/general64/fore.htm
But not everyone shared Gen. Kernan's rosy assessment. It was sharply criticized by the straight-talking Marine commander who had been brought out of retirement to lead Force Red. His name was Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper, and he had played the role of the crazed but cunning leader of the hypothetical rogue state. Gen. Van Riper dismissed the new military concepts as empty sloganeering, and he had reason to be skeptical. In the first days of the "war," Van Riper's Force Red sent most of the US fleet to the bottom of the Persian Gulf.
Not all of the details about how Force Red accomplished this have been revealed. The Pentagon managed to keep much of the story out of the press. But a thoroughly disgruntled Van Riper himself leaked enough to the Army Times that it's possible to get at a sense of how a much weaker force outfoxed and defeated the world's lone remaining Superpower.
The Worst US Naval Disaster Since Pearl Harbor
I remember that. Do you remember when an undetected Chinese sub popped up during the U.S. war games in 2010?
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/chinese-sub-pops-up-in-middle-of-u-s-navy-w...
How about the EMP warning shot on a cruise liner back in 2010?
A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Director Anatoly Perminov of the Russian Federal Space Agency states that an Arkon-1 military satellite monitoring the western coastal regions of North America detected an “EMP anomalous event” occurring on November 8th at 0600 Pacific Standard Time (-8 hours GMT) that bore the “direct signature” of a YJ-62 subsonic anti-ship missile fired from a Chinese People’s Liberation Navy Type 041 submarine (NATO code name Yuan-Class) known to be patrolling approximately 200 kilometers off United States coast.
Nearly 11 hours after this EMP “event”, this report further says, Arkon-1 then detected a BGM-109 (Tomahawk) subsonic cruise missile launched from a US Navy Ohio-Class submarine operating off the coast of California [photo bottom left] on a “training mission” from its home port located at US Navy’s Kitsap Base in Washington State and was enroute to the largest American Naval Base on the US west coast in San Diego, California.
Note: A Russian military intelligence (GRU) addendum to this report states that the “training mission” the Ohio-Class submarine was on is related to a new US law passed this year allowing for the first time in history for women to serve on US Navy subs and was an “operational exercise” testing female Naval Officers competence prior to their first “operational deployment”.
The “immediate effect” of the Chinese Navy’s firing of their EMP missile, this report continues, was the “catastrophic crippling” of the US based cruise ship Carnival Splendor [photo 3rd left] that stranded its nearly 4,500 passengers and crew in a “dead in the water” boat and prompting the Americans to send the US Navy’s Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier, warplanes, and supply aircraft to protect it from further attack after all of its electronic systems were destroyed.
An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) such as was used upon the Carnival Splendor is a burst of electromagnetic radiation that causes rapidly changing electric fields (or magnetic fields) that when coupling with electrical/electronic systems produces damaging current and voltage surges destroying all non-hardened electrical systems.
The US Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) had previously warned that American ships were vulnerable to such attacks with EMP Assessment Group Leader of Blaise Corbett stating that “the consequences of failing to take appropriate precautions to protect fleet mission critical systems can ultimately prove catastrophic to the Navy’s mission.”
The purpose of this Chinese EMP upon an American ship, this report says, was twofold: 1.) A test of the EMP weapon itself that in a war against the Americans and would be used against their Naval Fleet and Marine Forces operating out of California and the west coast of the US, and 2.) A test of the response time for American retaliatory measures against any Chinese warship attacking the US and/or its interests in the Pacific.
The GRU further states that the timing of this attack was timed even more crucially due to China’s testing of America’s response time during a period when their President, as Commander In Chief of all US Military Forces, was out of the country, as Obama was as he was in India at the time.
The Americans response time of nearly 11 hours between the EMP attack on the Carnival Splendor and the US retaliatory strike, the GRU states, “virtually assured” that the Chinese submarine responsible for the attack escaped, but which they further point out may have been intended by the Americans so as not to escalate this crisis.
To the geo-political reason(s) for a Communist Chinese attack upon the Americans just days before the crucially important G-20 Summit in South Korea, which both President’s Hu and Obama will be attending, this report says was due to the United States, in essence, declaring total economic war upon the rest of the world by its printing of nearly $1 Trillion US Dollars in order to monetize its staggering debt and that China warned:
“If the United States can increase the volume of dollars and it can transmit inflation to other countries to lessen the pressure of debt, then it will bring about a catastrophic influence on the world.”
Hey, P.A., could someone enlighten us to that "contrail" event that occured offshore of LA, about 2 years ago. It sure looked like sea borne ICBM shot to me. The press kept saying, "oh... it's a airliner contrail". right
not to discredit anything in this post Paul Atreidas, as I keep an open mind on many possibilities until they are proved / disproved over time - but I was curious as to the source of your post (given that there were "photos" referenced, it had to be a post somewhere else) - it turns up in many places, but is sourced here,
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm
"Sorcha Faal", not always the most reliable reporter.
doesn't mean there's not some truth in there, somewhere, taking into account the current global nationstate(s) lies spread so thick, so often - still interesting to read another take on "things".
U.S. Warships and aircraft are EMP hardened. EMPs were known to be produced by nuke explosions years ago, so protection against them was also required years ago.
One of the keys was to not rely on electronic communications using messengers with motorcycles, among other old-fashioned techniques. Truly brilliant stuff.
I'm sick to death of these wars, especially Afghanistan. We should have left 7 years ago. Irag? I can't even think about it. But this article is a blend of truth, half-truths, distortions, exaggerations, stretchers and above all conspiracy thinking. Not so sure either the Iranians represent no existential threat to Israel. We are supposed to just ignore what the crackpots running the place have to say about extirpating the Jews? If you lived in Israel, would you make that bet?
The way you talk about the Cold War is amusing. Forget what the Soviets said or did or believed. The Gulag was all in our minds. It was all really all about the military industrial complex, had nothing to do with communism. Baloney. Ike and Truman were tools, eh?
Von Mises Institute of Canada? You do sound like Ron Paul on crack, but I'm not sure old Ludwig would buy much of your argument here.
The man is talking truth and you’re talking Zionist propaganda. And you can’t disprove a single thing he’s said.
America is not Israel; we’re talking about American policy and American lives and American warplanes that kill innocent people. We’re not talking about Israeli policy; we’re talking about American soldiers who will die for the policy of another country.
We do not live in Israel; we are not responsible for what Israel wants; we do not want to kill innocent people because of Israel; we do not want our soldiers to die because of Israel; we do not want our nation to go down because of Israel.
We are Americans; we are not Israelis.
I gave you an up vote JR, but with the caveat that "American soldiers" need to fully examine who it is that they are killing, and who it is on behalf of.
peeps need to be doing some homework before they sit with the joystick piloting those drones. . .
Agreed!
And I'll say it again... I love this fucking place!
I'm a full on Zionist, but the jews who support israel are in a pickle.
1) israel is in a pickle
2) america is in a pickle
3) the world at large and all the developed countries around it, are in a pickle.
4) what can really be done? the reality is that israel is going to have to learn that america is no longer able to be 'top dog' and push around all the countries around israel. the U.S. has drawn its alliances in the line with Saudi Arabia, and the Sino-Russian axis with Iran and Syria.
Is it not perverse that the most advanced country in the middle east region ---IRAN---should find itself on the side of the east ? No , it's not. The U.S. tried bullying iran but theyre too advanced for that shit and instead chose to take a huge step backwards by embracing the islamic revolution against the shah. WHY? because of blowback. Saudi Arabia and the Emirati are and will always be totally ass backwards. This is why they are so easy to control and are willing to go with the U.S.
so ...think about it , Israel is, by way of the united states , allied with the more backwards countries that embrace slavery and propertizing of women ( saudi/emirati ) .
Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries are much more so than Iran is prone to catastrophic collapse. Only the U.S. media would have you believe otherwise. For fuck sake they still operate as kingdoms with primo-geniture and theocratic regimes. This unstable situation simply cannot be divorced from the reality that the FED is running out of steam to control Europe and the U.S. at China's expense. This doesn't HAVE to result in war as the only way out of this mess ( by making an even bigger mess to cover this up ) . ---it can also result in a stale mate. Mutually Assured Destruction favors the stale mate resolution where both sides of the aisle must wait and allow the status quo to continue.
The status quo doesn't look good for the U.S. Europe and Israel. Time is on the side of countries that have already had plenty of their own experience with corruption , gulags and final collapse and suffering and rebounding. those countries are russia and china. the us.. and europe have a lot of corruption but they have a lot of catchin up to do in the collapse department. and while this occurs, while the west is crumbling---China and Russia will simply continue to push forward their interests in a streamlined utterly ruthless manner as their oligarchs would have them do---HOWEVER they are NOT going to fall into the strategic trap of pretending to be America . No, they need only fill the power vaccumm that is left by the West , all the while testing and prodding the Western Powers to spot their growing weaknesses and to expose incipient cracks.
It is coming , and it will accelerate. The west has only one answer, more war. Can you blame the american public for being exhausted? It's almost apostasy to say that America can move forward WITHOUT more war. The american culture since WII has been subtly and now overtly steeped in warmongering idiocy. The culture of all countries is rife with nationalistic idiocy--you see it in china, russia, europe, israel, america. but-----the answer with America is that it's just that much worse. It's time to give Americans a chance to live without an Imperial warfare state pushing aggresively at the expense of domestic demand. THe only real way to stop the warfare state is to crash the dollar . One way or another, if you are a patriot, a true patriot who seeks the good of the people, your goal should be to hit the military where it hurts, in the pocket. crash the dollar, end the funding of the government deficit with zero-interest printflationary policy. Perversely, the way to do this is to either print WAY MORE money, or to stop printing money at all. the point is------POLITICAL EXTREMES will achieve the goal. Moderation of any sort is good for the machine. extreme's help bring the machine down.
communism, neo-natzism, extrem poverty, extreme wealth, extreme welfare or none at all. EXTREME DEFICITS or the government should simply decrease spending on an enormous scale. the point is-----You WANT TO SHOCK THE SYSTEM SO THAT THE SYSTEM GOES INTO CARDIAC ARREST. It doesn't matter how . So ---regrettfuly, the answer could be WAY MORE WAR, tons of more war, or no war at all, full scale drawbacks. pushing whichever extreme agenda that will help polarize and bankrupt ( by hyperinflation or hyperdeflation does not matter) the u.s. is how to break the machine.
---------now FOR THE FINAL KICKER---HOW CAN I BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, AND SUPPORT THE EXISTANCE OF ISRAEL AS A 'ZIONIST'. it's simple. once you see through the bullshit that every country is corrupt as all fuck. and that no country is pure evil. you get to a point where you believe that , as a good christian should, forgiveness means that all people, and all nations are supposed to have a god given right to co-exist peacefully.
Just because the difficulties of different countries makes it hard to accept their long term existence from a geo-political persepective, --meaning that it's hard to accept that certain countries are NOT doomed---doens't mean they don't have a right to live happily and not be destroyed. Israel existed as an outpost from what Europe did to the jews and to the middle east. Europe carved up lots of things sure. but that doens't mean the people who want israel to exist and live and work there and make it a country aren't entitle to do so . EVERYONE was at one point an immigrant. No ONE owns the land. past attrocities will be forgiven or forgotten ,and just because that is true , and because the victor always gets to rewrite history, doesn't mean that things are morally required to reverse back to the way they were.
Any American claiming israel should NOT exist because the palestinians 'were there' before shoudl just take a look at their skin color . If they are not native american, they should just leave the united states. The world CHANGES. that involves accepting the past is behind us. If you want to make war on israel it is not because of the past, it is because of the present. Anyone who wants to destroy israel , to them, i say i'm happy with israel having a fighting chance at survival. why all the angst against israel as opposed to EVERY other corrupt and heinous nation that produces far less culture, has no alliance with western nations, and has nothing to offer the western modern way of life.
A good analysis, until you added the last three grafs. As is pointed out in the video mentioned above, here are some of the NOT So Cool Facts About Israel:
Israel, a country the size of New Jersey, can only claim to the following achievements:
Israel was founded upon the ruins of another nation that she destroyed: Palestine.
Israel holds the world record for the number of towns and villages she ethnically cleansed;
Israel holds the world record for the number of refugees she deported: 4 million+;
Israel holds the world record for the number of homes she demolished: 60,000+;
Israel is the country with the highest number of UN condemnations: 500 times+;
Israel is the country with the highest number of protective US Security council vetoes: 100 times +;
Israel has killed more innocent civilian captives than any other country: 50,000+;
Israel has imprisoned more civilian per capita than any other country: 250,000+;
Israel has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country: 50,000+...
Israel is the only country on Earth that has legalized assassination...
Amongst all countries, Israel is the only one that has legalized torture...
Israel is the only country on whose checkpoints women, denied access to hospital, give birth, babies usually die...
Israel claims its enemies want to wipe it off the map, but she has indeed wiped a whole country off the map!...
And that's just for starters...and without the pictures the video shows of the gruesome reality....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSQI7Bk3O54
I dont care if Israel does or doesnt exist- but if they do exist they need to stop doing it on the American public dime.
Get all your Zionist friends together and hold bake sales or wash cars or something but get your hand out of my pocket.
Since its about War and your one of the problems I'm reposting this from yesterday.
Krugman was hoping for an Alien invasion so we can have this masseffect war because in their fucked up reality (which also happens to be ours) war is good. That way maybe the planet will get together and borrow monies from the owners so we can fight the Aliens together and Rothschild makes money on it. Looks better than us killing each other for their profit.
So why don't they (they meaning anyone in our useless government that still cares what happens to humanity) pass an Act to declare the Bankers Aliens. Law doesn't have to make sense most laws do not case in point, Patriot Act: "the hate us for our freedoms" so we knowing whats best for us will take away your freedoms.
We would not have to borrow the money from them to destroy them it is just a matter of using what we have but it will take the element of surprise. As I am still left to wondering where th Rothschilds army, navy, and air force is? Israel? They would have to fight a lot of countries on their own. If they throw some nukes at us, we have more. Actually if they use nukes on other countries over the world joining together to breaking up their crime syndicate then they are fucking aliens.
rather interesting that you would announce yourself as "a full on Zionist" here on ZH, bankruptcylawyer, but I'll let others address that - I'll just answer this,
while I'm the first to note that "nationstates" are invented stories to occupy the minds of citizens, and keep them engaged in flag-waving activities, from sports teams to war teams - you're glossing over a fact.
if you want to call yourself "a good christian" zionist - then how do you justify the endless wars, with the chaos and pain and death these cause to "all people" that you claim have a "god given right to co-exist peacefully"?
it's one or the other - either you are supporting Zionist occupation and oppression, up to and including amrkn citizens fighting on behalf of "Zionist" Israel's agenda, with amrkn taxed monies, etc. - or you strive for peace.
dissonance says you can't play both sides of the fence and be honest with yourself, or your god.
I used to be such a hawk. Now I'm sick of this shit, too. What a waste of human life, money, creativity, talent. All so some generals and senators and CEOs can keep getting handjobs from expensive whores.
You get junked for being a retard. Gulags?? In the Soviet Union! isreal?? Western Asia! Iran?? Once again in Asia! What do these all have in common? They ain't in the USA. Minding ones own business is usually the cause for not meddling in someone else's business. However, I am sure that you like watching Dr Phil, Oprah and Phil Donahue just to make yourself feel better when peddling your bullshit onto someone else's life. There are names for people like you, and they ain't good. Now FOAD!!!
Whatever Israel and Iran do with each other, it isnt our issue. Getting between two groups of Middle Eastern nut cases is a lose/lose however it breaks.
As far as I am concerned, the world would instantly be a better place if they glassed each other.
Gas down about $1/gallon here in CA, down in June for 1st time in memory. Fishy.
DC pushing down price before Syria/Iran assault, to make room when it spikes?
Can't stop it, but did buy a motorcyle, & notice scooters everywhere now.
Fun on weekends, more so if gas hits $10+/gallon.
Not so cool facts about Israel.
An essential watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSQI7Bk3O54
Israel runs USA government, NATO and surroundings, including Micronesia...
Nice to be an Israeli citizen, ins't it? Nice meals spiced with blood, pieces of children's bodies and dust of demolished houses. I feel so deeply sorry for them.
"Ambassador Rumsfeld? The fleets are deployed, the strait is secured, the USS Enterprise is nearly in position"
"Excellent. I'll inform Starfleet. A 3 second pulse will be all it will take, and my goodness nurse, whatever are they going to do with a leaking sunken legendary aircraft carrier blocking their ports?"
"No need to take pelasure in the fact, if I may say, Ambassador. This is strictly a matter of regulations."
"I know, but I am an old man who has been in orbit watching this silly planet for 400 years now, give me my few remaining personal pleasures. But yes, no governing entity who still believes in Bronze Age myths yada yada, I know it chapter and verse, believe me."
"Additionally, of course, the Alliance is in trouble."
"True, true. When we sent Isaac Newton down to get this ball rolling, dear mercy to Susan Dey, we had no idea this was going to go so stupidly."
"Well, we apologize, Ambassador, but, you know it, and me, you, George, Jimmy, and Marco Rubio and Chris Christie... well, I don;t have to go over the agreement, the luncheaon was onboard your ship Ambassador!"
"The USS Jeb Bush. We have gotten a lot of fun out of that one, haven't we Barack?"
"He will never live down his mistaken notion that he was going to be the play the fool, sir, he frankly did not know nor was he prepared for how much his older brother had been prepping for it. None of us were."
"Well, Ambassador Rumsfeld out."
"Be good up there, Don."
"You too down there, Barry."
Don’t forget about the upcoming July 9, 2012 <boogey man> fear mongering story which potentially effects Fortune 500 and Major U.S. Government Agencies Infected With DNSChanger Malware.
Chants of market dysfunction and the need of QE3 may ensue..Hahahahahaahaha
http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/government/232900868
Public Image Ltd.- Chant
Why was the Federal Reserve founded in late 1913? Because it was known for years that Europe was going to explode into war, but under the gold exchange standard, the war would have lasted 6 months before all sides would have been broke. If the US could lend money freely to keep the war going, we could decide the outcome and make debt slaves of both winners and losers at the same time. Well played, Mr. Morgan et al.
I thought we clarified in another article that Japan was the blatant agressor in WWII. Honestly, Imperial Japan's invasion of China and rape of Nanking wasn't some pussy ass hippie shit. It was like Assad and the war he's waging over in Syria. We were simply trying to stymie the war monger.
You're right about the war of Northern Agression though.
Flame on turds.
Ya...just like Assad. Dear God, how naive are you?
WWII in the Pacific was two empires, our's and Japan's, clashing. Honestly, our invasion of the Philipines in 1900, and slaughter of 1.4 million people there can be compared to what the Chinese did. How about what we did to Vietnam from 1960-75? There we killed millions too.
As MLK said, my government is the largest pervayor of violence in the world today. Still is.
And you are wrong about the Civil War too.
What?
Killing Filipinos and Vietnamese was bad, but its OK that Lincoln's goon squads burned, murdered, and looted their way through the South?
What an idiot. If you like Lincoln, you should love all of those things and what we have now- he laid the cornerstones and set the precedent for the entire setup. Printed money fueling a war of conquest for control of resources subordinated to central government uber alles- ol' Honest Ape wrote the first chapter on that in US history.
TimmyB, IS NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT. It's the Corporate Government of bankster.
They're your enemy, not your government. They're enemies of Mankind and they'll be defeated just because of human's survival instinct.
We don't fear them anymore as we actually SEE them.
Peace is a state of mind. om. I pray for peace.
Would be nice if the US military personel woke up and realized they were murdering mercenaries paid by bankers to protect banker's interests. And then quit and became Jehovah's Witnesses or Buhdists.
Or Quakers.
By their fruits shall you know them.
Stop insulting gays.
Just curious... How many Iranian bases surround the U.S. again?
There you go again, using logic and a sense of fair play when thinking about Empire building/maintenance/survival in conjunction with said Empire's Foreign Policy.
Go to the back of the line bro and report for re-indoctrination.
Are you serious? They are way beyond bases: they have their own country over in the area past Europe somewhere.
The Iranians are real and pretending that if we just watch out for terror bases then we are ok is conveniently ignoring that little fact that the Iranians have an entire country that they occupy
Wake up!
Ramblings of an old vet:
I will always remember the pictures of US troops guarding the poppy fields in the early stages of the Afghan war, and I noticed how quickly the photos were removed from view. And I remember quite well, having been there, the saga of Air America ferrying drugs from this same area during the Vietnam War. Perhaps the "fast and furious" agenda was totally for other reasons. I often wonder how all the off-shore bank accounts of our corrupt politicians get reloaded and how the focus of the DOJ is always on Swiss banks to discover tax evaded accounts when, in fact, the majority of political accounts are in the Carribbean.
"Banking giant Wachovia Corp. will pay $160 million to settle a federal investigation into laundering of illegal drug profits through Mexican exchange houses in the largest case of its kind ever."
This is just a tast of all the money laundering done by US banks!
Wachovia has its own record of using slave labor. In its brick factory, in pre-banking days.
as the above ground economy falls under, the underground rises. It's becoming more important and necessary every day.
reminds me of 80's Britain, when Thatcher decreased the customs employees, and cheap smuggled heroin flooded the country - it was actually cheaper to get a fix than to get drunk, as alcohol had duties/taxes applied - results? all the kids on the gov housing estates where smacked out for years, Edinburgh became the "Aids capital of Europe" (see: Trainspotting film), crime rose, families fell apart. . .
working as intended, sure.Gotta say it, war with Iran would be a very, very bad event for one blaringly obvious reason... China, Russia, and a host of other countries do not want to see it happen, and have reached such a point of economic and military might to be able to step in the way of the West if it does happen... WWIII anybody?...Obvious I know but worth mentioning...
..Politics aside, I feel as if the masses are alot more awake to the insidious plans of the ruling elite then they were in 2001... Imagine what Occupy Wall Street would turn into?? Major cities would have to be shut down there would be so much protesting... But then of course, they've planned for that haven't they...
I have to disagree to a certain extend about the citizens being more awake. I find that many of the very late teens to mid thirties question the official 911 story, but I find a lot of people my age (I am 48) and older still buy into the official story. Not to mention 40 years of seeing angry Iranian's burning American flags on tv have brainwashed a lot of people. I have conversations with people and they will say " we have to do something about Iran" then they look at me like I'm an alien when I say " why what have they done to us"?
The hostage crisis was burned deeply into the minds of many people that can remember it and very few can see past that in terms of what caused it and how to handle them now.
Delta Force history. Motto: "De Oppresso Liber" -- liberate the oppressed.
We are owed one embassy, and one war. Never leave a casus belli unanswered, even if it takes decades.
I'm just saying, this attitude is strong in the special forces. We are still owed that land. It is ours, and we will get it back. it is the mindset.
Why stop at 1980? Let's go back to 1967 shall we?
What righteous revenge do you plan for the attack on the USS Liberty?
Seems by your math we are due one ship, 35 lives, and one war. Never leave a causus belli unanswered right Comrade?
I think they're not gonna be so fool. They'll don't even "do" Syria either. Going after Iran will be like shotting their own balls off. After the mess they're doing in Europe and the very USA everybody sees the king is naked. The've already lost. At this point they'll have to kill everybody then there won't be any point anymore... I don't see the Rotschild, the Rockefeller and Co. growing their own grain neither surviving by eating soups of gold and silver when transmitting FOX's channels to the outer space.
One little point... the majority of the elite don't really eat much grain - that's mainly grown for fuel and feeding to the 'livestock'.
Take a look at the menu of a truly high end (they're easy to spot; me and thee can't get a reservation!) restaurant. It's basically a gourmet version of the paleo diet, with a few extras thrown in for flavour.
Nice! But... Who is gonna run the restaurant?
Are they gonna kill us all? See, they're putting everybody on the ropes. That's when you don't fear anymore.
Nice! But... Who is gonna run the restaurant?
Are they gonna kill us all? See, they're putting everybody on the ropes. That's when you don't fear anymore.
http://www.calibratedconfidence.com/2012/01/iran-target-of-false-flag-st...
http://www.calibratedconfidence.com/2012/01/more-sharing.html
How about we send Bernanke and Geithner to Iran, let them run their monetary system and collapse the country into oblivion. Just an idea.
Housing bubble in Tehran anyone?
as long as the hungry iranian wenches come with it. They are beautiful.
Long ago in days untold Were ruled by Lords of greed Maidens fared with gold They dared to bare their wombs that bleed Kings and queens and guillotines Taking lives denied Starch and parchment laid the laws When bishops took the ride Only to deceive Oh I know I lived this life afore Somehow know now truths I must be sure Tossin turnin' nightmares burnin' dreams of swords in hand Sailin' ships the Viking spits the blood of father's land Only to deceive Living times of knights and mares Raising swords for maidens fair Sneer at death fear only loss of pride Living other centuries Deja vu or what you please Follows true to all who do or die Screams of no reply they died Screams of no reply and died Lordy lordy and then then they died Lordy no then they died Live and do or die Long ago were days I told...Lord they died Kings and queens and guillotines... Live and no reply they died Long ago were days I told... Kings and queens and guillotines...
Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of death's construction In the fields the bodies burning As the war machine keeps turning Death and hatred to mankind Poisoning their brainwashed minds Oh lord yeah! Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait 'til their judgement day comes Yeah! Now in darkness world stops turning Ashes where the bodies burning No more war pigs have the power Hand of God has struck the hour Day of judgement, God is calling On their knees the war pig's crawling Begging mercy for their sins Satan laughing spreads his wings Oh lord yeah!
+1 for the rather obscure Aerosmith tune.
I'll see your Aerosmith and Black Sabbath and raise you an Iron Maiden...
Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we don't need a reason
The golden goose is on the loose
And never out of season
Some blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Here's my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death.
The killer's breed or the demon's seed,
The glamour, the fortune, the pain,
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain,
But don't you pray for my soul anymore.
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.
The blind men shout let the creatures out
We'll show the unbelievers
The napalm screams of human flames
Of a prime time belsen feast... yeah!
As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy,
We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.
The body bags and little rags of children torn in two
And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you.
As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song,
To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ihbRtLrK36Y#!
Haven't the rules changed with the advent of nukes, or do they just pretend those don't exist? I mean if some major player gets pulled into this that could be a problem. No big deal, the elite are so crazy they'll be in their tunnels sitting on a huge pile of gold proclaiming they've finally won. Little do they know these palaces in the ground will be the most expensive tomb ever built.
For those of you who have never been in combat, perhaps the people who want war are people that *you* don't fully understand. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Alfred?
Mao, Stalin ...
so this isnt bullshit
Great article, although likely preaching to the converted.
The only thing that Americans should give their lives for is to go after those that attack the Constitution....sadly, although Americans know that the Constitution is being abused, they do not know who to go after. The only action they take is to vote Republicans out, then vote Democrats out....on and on ad infintum.
I guess we have to wait until the people are starving. And that is a long way off (cheese, meat, canned goods etc are still very cheap and plentiful).
God Bless Costco!
Oh no, it's not! It's only about 3 days off when the supply chain is interrupted (which is too easily achieved through either an artificial fuel shortage or through martial law).
First ones to the supermarket get to eat for a week or two. The rest of the 300 million,.......
This is a solid point, the weakness of the just in time concept that now rules all manufacturing and inventory has a rather glaring weak spot- if something unexpected happens and that fragile chain breaks look out below.
This is exactly why I planted my Survival Garden, and boy am I glad I did! Taters the size of my kids head! And no government to mess with my fixins! Just honest food, the way God intended.
Message me for details! You'll be glad you did!
No need sir, Im one step ahead!
Already harvested 40 lbs of taters and 30 of sugar snaps, harvested 200 sweet yellow and red onions I will be making some relish with soon, 50 heads of Romaine that I gave alot away of and left a few to go to seed, pulling 100' of carrots this weekend, my son and I picked over 200 maters last week off of 40 plants (plus I have a dozen cherry mater plants loaded to breaking),largest watermelon on my 10 plants is over 30 lbs., should be ready soon and we counted a total of 25 growing that are small bowling ball size to the 30 pounder, my 10 honeydews are loading up (small bowling ball size), and my 100 other melon plants of 10 or so different types have a helluva lot of fruit on them. My 2 dozen Silver Queen corn ( didnt do much this year) have tasseled and are all putting out two silk each, ears starting. My two dozen pickling cucumber plants started producing a couple weeks ago, but something is starting to get at them, may need to trap some of the rabbits.
30' of beans just went in, and I am planting another 100' of bush and pole beans this weekend (hopefully).
It is a wonderful thing to have good stuff in the yard, aint it?
You're a heartless gloater! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjJ1bsnxxhs
I cringe at the idea of Iran with nukes.
But I also cringe at the idea of a JDAM or cruise missile slamming into a functioning nuclear power plant.
Fukushima has already injected tremendous amounts of radioactive materials into the atmosphere. A significant amount has been deposited here in N. America, the first land mass downwind.
We don't need more.
If you want to have the air filters in your car or home tested for radioactive isotopes like Plutonium, Cesium-137 and other "Hot Particles", there is a completely FREE testing service offered here:
http://www.RadTest4U.com
This is particularly important if you live west of the Rockies.
Don't glow old and grey.
Dude, I got more radiation exposure playing with day-glo paints back in the 70's under a black light.
Sigh. People and their night terrors
Why Iran? Simple:
1)Oil
2)Israel's enemy
3)Emerging nuclear power able to access cheap power, and therefore prosper. The US cannot afford Iran to become a nuclear, 1st world country.
Oh, and they might build a nuclear bomb one day, which is inconsequential compared to the three reasons listed.
And the number 1 reason ---------They won't let Gold Sacks and the banksters build branches there. Followed by fast food companies.
The Zionist-Anglo-American Empire cannot afford for ANY country to gain a defensive nuclear M.A.D. capability!
Any country that can defend itself is no longer able to be dominated, manipulated, lectured, threatened or economically gutted at will. Just ask North Korea or Pakistan.
We should encourage ALL countries to have a nuclear capability, since none will then use it for fear of a retaliatory strike.
<--- "should encourage ALL countries to have a nuclear capability..none will..use it for fear of a retaliatory strike."
<--- God do I hate people who get their second glass of pinot noir and think they are fucking Metternich all of a sudden.
How far are they gonna go? There isn't enough people hating them already? Aren't they enough exposed yet?
Oh, yes, they are. It's a matter of time... Going "little time".
You forgot the most important reason:
4) Iran controls the straights of Hormuz through which passes all of the oil of the Middle East.
... almost entirely into the energy consumers of Asia (India, China, Japan, ....). So why is the US citizen so concerned?
Good point... but you fail to realize what kind of control that would give the US empire.... not that I like it or am at all in support of it but I fear it is the reason for what is going on.
almost entirely into the energy consumers of Asia (India, China, Japan, ....). So why is the US citizen so concerned?
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Maybe because those parts of the world are part of the US world order which is organized to enable the US of A into its consumption level?
India, China, Japan, they work for the US of A.
Cut their supply and the US of A consumption habits take hits.
BINGO!
+1
One of the ,most entertaining fantasies I've read since the lord of the rings!
the "civil war" is a misnomer, the correct name to describe it is "The Norths Agression Against the South". Read about John Brown, US terrorist, the abolitionists, liberal preachers, and much more to discover.
The winners right history.
Just saw a review on the new movie "Abe Lincoln, Vampier Hunter", more Northern crap showing Lincoln battling vampires that are Confederates.
Read outside the mainstream history books.
Edit: Sheridan and Sherman were war criminals that are venerated by the North.
Never mind the fact that the South initiated violence by firing on Fort Sumter? Or the South agressing on slaves for generations? What an illiterate fool you are.
What a breathlessly ignorant tool you are!!
Don't make me have to type up how Fort Sumter was a northern setup; how slavery was not even an issue until the north suddenly found themselves about to lose; how New England was the home of the slave traders;.........
For fuck's sake, read at least one book not published solely for consumption by school children or flag-waving morons!
I surmise that he got his info. from Ken Burns "Civil War"
how slavery was not even an issue until the north suddenly found themselves about to lose;
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Slavery was an issue from the start. The declarations of secession by various soutern state made no mystery about it. The question of slavery was central to the civil war.
Good/bad cops play, as usual to cover the inconvenient facts.
The US of A would like to sell the idea that they have been standing for freedom.
As a result, it forces the perspective on a war involving slavery.
As a freedom champion, the war had to be about emancipation. That is the official propaganda as sold by the US of A.
The South wanted to expand the institution of slavery. They wanted to make slavery a natural right as they demanded that slave ownership should be respected no matter the place the slave owner was. A slave owner moving into a non slaver state would have de facto turned it into a slaver state.
The North wanted to maintain the slavery institution.
That was the configuration. None of the two sides were committed to the emancipation bit.
By focusing on the north (good/bad cop), US citizens work at concealing that the southern were pursuing the dream of making slave ownership a natural right. Natural rights theory, US citizenism.
In the civil war, both sides were composed with US citizens. None of the sides were committed to emancipation. They either wanted to maintain or expand the slavery institution.
That is the fact.
Your [state-owned] 'Number One Great Wall Stormdoor Trading and Airline Company' Gibberish Generator™ has short-circuited and is now contradicting itself in a single blobbing up!!
"The South wanted to expand the institution of slavery."
"The North wanted to maintain the slavery institution."
So, you are saying that Lincoln declared war against the South so that he could maintain slavery in the North ... because the South wanted to maintain slavery in the South ... and they were both competing to impose slavery in the West?!
Wow!! ... your Chinese history books have some reeeeally cooool stories and Chinese Puzzles in them!!
LOL. Tell us some more of these fantasic fireside fantasies!!
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Ask him about how Easter Island was "sunk by US citizenism" prior to 1776. It's always good for a laugh.
Did you know that George Washington personally killed all dinosaurs and forced them to become crude oil, all thanks to the time traveling flying rickshaw invented by Ben Franklin? It's a Chinese citizenism fact.
Ask him about how Easter Island was "sunk by US citizenism" prior to 1776. It's always good for a laugh.
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Oh yes? Who wrote that?
Not me.
Easter Island was not sunk before 1776. It was sunk after. The history of Easter Island was not stopped before 1776. It ran after that date.
The environmental destruction, deforestation, precipitous decline of agriculture, widespread cannibalism, and collapse of Easter Island society all happened at least one century BEFORE the first outside contacts with Easter Island in the early 18th century, and therefore long before the USA even came into being. But don't let logic and facts get in the way of your Chicom trolling and collectivist bigotry.
The only thing worse that a roadside-shitting Chink is an autistic roadside-shitting Chink troll.
So, you are saying that Lincoln declared war against the South so that he could maintain slavery in the North ... because the South wanted to maintain slavery in the South ... and they were both competing to impose slavery in the West?!
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No, as shown by the quotation.
The quotation is a nice US citizen touch as it exposes from the start crude manipulation.
Slavery being absent from northern states, it requires a stretch to state that the sentence "The North wanted to maintain the slavery institution" means that the North wanted to maintain it in the North.
But it could be.
For the South, the crudeness appears shamelessly.
From "The South wanted to expand the institution of slavery" it has to turn into the South wanted to maintain slavery in the South.
Here, the manipulation is gross and open to everyone to see. Either you side with it and congregate around to support it or you are outside this US citizen group. The group is all for US citizens.
That said, another casual and ordinary expression of the US citizen nature. Which is eternal.
The North wanted to maintain the slavery institution in the South while the South wanted to expand it in the North.
From the script of the new Mel Brooks movie, "Chinese Citizenism History of the World, Part I", coming soon to a theater near you!
Would anyone like to talk about who were some of the biggest profiteers from the slave trade?
Who Brought the Slaves to America?By Walter White Jr., 1968
http://www.blacksandjews.com/MarcLeeRaphael.html
http://www.amazon.com/Jews-Judaism-United-States-documentary/dp/08744134...
That doesn't make the Americans who bought them or the black Africans who sold their fellow Africans to the slave traders any better examples of humanity nor excuse them. But once again down through the years there seems to be a commonality of who is standing in the shadows profiting from some form of human misery.
The long term 'professional victims' hate to see that pointed out...
Jesus christ the chinese telling the Americans how their Civil War started. STFU
Doesn't china censor this site from you?
STFU