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Propaganda, Lies, And War
Submitted by James Miller from the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada
Propaganda, Lies, And War
If I asked what the cause of the American Civil War was, would your first answer be slavery? Would it surprise you to know that slavery was only one grievance the South had with the Lincoln administration?
Up until the first bullet was fired on Fort Sumter, Abraham Lincoln had been leading a type of economic aggression to force the South into initiating the official version of the conflict. When Lincoln ran for president, his platform was based on Henry Clay-inspired mercantilism where he promised to maintain a high protective tariff that would serve Northern industrial interests while impoverishing the South’s still predominantly agrarian economy. This, of course, angered the South much like it did when John Quincy Adams imposed the same type of tariff in 1828 which lead to the Nullification Crisis. With the Morrill Tariff, which increased the tax on dutiable imports by about 70%, put in place by President Buchanan two days before he left office, the South stood ready to secede. After Lincoln’s inauguration, he began to maneuver the seceding South into firing the first shot by breaking a previously established agreement to not attempt to restock Fort Sumter. He secretly sent troops the Fort which escalated into what turned out to be the bloodiest war in American history. Lincoln’s close friend and confidante Senator Orville H. Browning would go on to write in his diary:
He told me that the very first thing placed in his hands after his inauguration was a letter from Major Anderson announcing the impossibility of defending or relieving Sumter. That he called the cabinet together and consulted General Scott—that Scott concurred with Anderson, and the cabinet, with the exception of PM General Blair were for evacuating the Fort and all the troubles and anxieties of his life had not equalled (sic) those which intervened between this time and the fall of Sumter. He himself conceived the idea, and proposed sending supplies, without an attempt to reinforce giving notice of the fact to Governor Pickens of S.C. The plan succeed. They attacked Sumter—it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could.
Contrary to popular belief, the Civil War was not a fight over slavery but a fight over whether the South was allowed to secede from the union. Lincoln thought war would rally the North behind his special-interest driven agenda. The South sent numerous commissioners to Washington in the hopes of finding a peaceful solution to secession. Lincoln ignored all of them. As he stated in a letter addressed to Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune:
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
So why is this version of the Civil War not taught in public schools?
It’s a simple answer when you consider the driving force of statism.
When Randolph Bourne opined “war is the health of the state,” he was referring to how war is used as a means to enlarge the authority of government over everyday life. In times of war, the citizenry is told to sacrifice their material well being and freedom for the sake of winning the war and bringing the troops home. Taxes are raised, central banks inflate, governments borrow massive amounts of money, and economic resources are confiscated to be used in the war effort. War quickens the state’s march toward totalitarianism as it rallies the public into unquestioned obedience. Love of country replaces love of self and family. Mothers and fathers give up their sons (and now daughters) to fight in the state’s bloody crusade. The heads of government who initiated the conflict don’t let their offspring go and fight. Their pampered lifestyles usually don’t see the sacrifice taxpayers must endure.
Romanticized retellings of war assist in convincing the masses that the campaigns of murder carried out by political leaders were for the good of the nation. It enshrines the state as a life-saving guardian to those fortunate enough to not meet a gruesome death on the battlefield. In the case of the Civil War, Lincoln didn’t just save the union; he has forever made secession a nonviable solution to an overreaching Washington. Lincoln’s war of northern aggression turned these united States of America into the United States of America. It cost the equivalent of 6 million lives today for honest Abe to destroy the volunteerism which defined the union of the states in the decades that preceded the war.
Just as the Civil War was triggered by deceit, many of the wars or military conflicts of the past century have been fought based on the lies of a political class all too enamored with their own power and place in history.
Starting with World War I and Woodrow Wilson’s quest to “make the world safe for democracy,” the popularly spun tail is that America’s entering the conflict was in reaction to Germany sinking the supposedly innocent passenger vessel the Lusitania. After German subs sunk the ship, thereby killing women and children, popular support reversed and was now in favor of war. What wasn’t revealed immediately is that the Lusitania was really outfitted to carry armaments for the British. This was a strategy developed by then First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill to bait a German attack and bring America into the fight. As classical liberal historian Ralph Raico writes:
The Lusitania was a passenger liner loaded with munitions of war; Churchill had given orders to the captains of merchant ships, including liners, to ram German submarines if they encountered them, and the Germans were aware of this. And, as Churchill stressed in his memoirs of World War I, embroiling neutral countries in hostilities with the enemy was a crucial part of warfare: “There are many kinds of maneuvres in war, some only of which take place on the battlefield. . . . The maneuvre which brings an ally into the field is as serviceable as that which wins a great battle.
Then there is the often neglected role big business, especially JP Morgan & Co, played in the propagandizing of the war. As one of the largest creditors and underwriters to war bonds issued by the governments of Britain and France, it was in the best interest of the House of Morgan to guarantee the Allies won the war. As the American economy drifted toward one of top-down command where government cartelized industry to ensure adequate munitions for war, big business was more than happy to play along as it meant stifling regulations placed on their small-time competitors and the opportunity to keep prices elevated. This perverted form of capitalism would serve as a model to Western nations from the war’s end to the present day. Murray Rothbard believed the first World War was really a victory for the fascist state:
More than any other single period, World War I was the critical watershed for the American business system. It was a “war collectivism,” a totally planned economy run largely by big-business interests through the instrumentality of the central government, which served as the model, the precedent, and the inspiration for state corporate capitalism for the remainder of the twentieth century.
The beginnings of World War II were engulfed by the same collusion of big business and government along with underhanded tactics to further chip away at the American public’s noninterventionist stance. The Morgans still had their financial ties with Britain and France while the Rockefellers wanted war with Japan since the country competed for raw materials in Southeast Asia. Both financial powerhouses lobbied for war early on. After Franklin Roosevelt was reelected on the platform of keeping America a neutral party, he set about provoking a Japanese attack sometime around the summer of 1941. This resulted in an oil embargo, the forceful limiting of exports, and freezing the country’s assets within the U.S. It was the equivalent of an economic fatal wound to resource-poor Japan. Not only that, but in recent years it has been confirmed that Roosevelt had prior knowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack and actually withheld key information from commanders at the naval base. As Vice Admiral and aid to the Secretary of the Navy Frank E. Beatty noted at the time:
Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me… that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way—and we knew their over-all import—pointed that way.
Following World War II, every conflict the U.S. has engaged in has been either to the benefit of wealthy special interests or in reaction to its own misguided policies. The Cold War was a four decade long gift to the military industrial complex against a supposed world power that collapsed due to its state-run economy. The various bombings and occupations of Middle Easter countries which followed have only served as excuses to not end the flow of money into the pockets of politically connected military contractors. And the Iraq War, as everyone now knows, was based on the lie of Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction.
One would think with such a rich history of political patronage in the death industry, Americans would be adamantly opposed to war. Yet the usual players in Washington are once again pounding on the war drums in the name of spreading American values. The target this time is Iran and at least one presidential candidate in this fall’s election has vowed to use military force on a nation that hasn’t bowed down and kissed Uncle Sam’s jackboot. The problem is Iran has the hubris of refusing to be bullied around by the U.S. Such an attitude undermines American imperialism in front of the rest of the world. It must be stomped out by any means necessary.
And then there is the big financial push for an Iranian war going on behind the scenes. The pro-Israel lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, has been aggressively pushing for war and appealing to top lawmakers and the heads of Washington’s warmongering apparatus. President Obama has already assured the flush lobbying group that “the United States will not hesitate to attack Iran with military force to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.” Department of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta made the same promise. Just last week, 44 Senators, including many Democrats, sent an AIPAC letter to the President urging him to consider military action if Iran continues with its nuclear program. The letter essentially makes war the only option on the table as Glenn Greenwald of Salon points out:
This implication is clear: a military attack by the U.S. on Iran is at least justified, if not compelled, if a satisfactory agreement is not quickly reached regarding Iran’s nuclear program. At the same time, the letter itself virtually ensures no such agreement is possible because the conditions it imposes as the “absolute minimum” are ones everyone knows Iran will never agree to (closing the Fordow facility and giving up its right to enrich uranium above 5 percent).
Not only is the push for war bipartisan, but much of the media establishment has been devoid of criticism of the constant war rhetoric. Even though Israel has nukes of its own, many of its supporters portray the country as a weakling in dire need of assistance from the bully of the Middle East schoolyard. Worse is the complete disregard of the fact that there is no actual evidence that Iran is concocting a nuclear weapon. According to the CIA’s own National Intelligence Estimate of 2007, Iran put a stop to the development of nuclear weapons in the fall of 2003. Other Western nations such as Germany, France, and Britain, deny the report’s conclusion. Meanwhile Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has gotten impatient of the reluctance by the U.S. thus far to act militarily against Iran. Like a good politician, he wants prestige without the dirty work. That’s what America is for.
Despite already being engaged in drone wars in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and still occupying Afghanistan, the U.S. is being duped into yet another war based on shaky evidence and at the behest of deep-pocketed special interests. This is coming even while a secretive cyber war already being waged to damage Iran’s nuclear capability. According to the Pentagon, “computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war.” Not only that, but the draconian sanctions thus far placed on Iran are doing enormous harm to the citizens who hardly have a say in what their government does. The Belgium-based SWIFT payment system that facilitates most international payments has already denied service to many Iranian banks. With the imposing of an oil embargo from the European Union just around the corner (July 1st) that will all but make it impossible for oil tankers to be insured by Lloyd’s of London, an actual naval blockade is being floated by U.S. lawmakers. Much like the Antebellum South and Japan, Iran too is being pushed into a corner.
What makes the campaign to extend the War on Terror to Iran is that the anti-American sentiment in the higher echelons of its government are only a consequence of previous meddling. After Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh nationalized the oil industry in 1953, British Petroleum used the CIA to overthrow the popular leader and put the Shah back in power whose authoritarian rule would be financially supported by the U.S. up to the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
Then and now, wealthy special interests are a driving force behind American imperialism. Lies will be spun till they are seen as facts. When the truth comes out, the irreparable damage will already be done. Like anything the state lays its filthy hands on, war is a racket. The beneficiaries of the ruling class’s gleeful foray into mass murder are few in number. The masses, still brainwashed into feverish nationalism, end up paying the costs with their pilfered income, eroded liberty, and, ultimately, their own lives.
As Major General Smedley D. Butler wrote in his seminal essay War Is A Racket
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
The only weapon against such an immoral system of mass murder and cronyism is to know the truth and to not fall ill with the fever of war.
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Why not?
Facts have no nationality. Save in US citizenism of course as the group is all for US citizens.
Facts and opinions are two different things.
Now how do you get to comment on this site? You did not answer my question? No fucking way china lets zerohedge through the great Firewall.
Or you are living here in us citizemville or what ever you call us. Spying for the home team?
The absurd claim being made here is that the Civil War was all about high tarriffs. This is like the 9/11 conspiracy theories where you can make any absurd claim you want. Tarriffs. How funny is that?
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Well, then no doubt you are a fan of the current adminstration and the subordination of everything in life to the Federal government, it is the logical extension of everything Lincoln and his horde fought for. Otherwise you would be just another hypocritical northern republican idiot squealing under the weight of the government his ancestors fought for.
Its OK though, the South gets the last laugh. You sent Sherman, we returned the favor with Bernanke. Sherman only looted, murdered, and destroyed part of the South, Ben wont rest until every last one of you is toast.
The only way the South gets the last laugh is if there is a nuclear holocaust, and the few survivors left have to deal with the fact that the sole cable station left is stuck playing the same VCR copy of Hee Haw Season 12 over and over and over....
OK, that made me chuckle but if the financial system breaks down and the trucks stopped rolling, most of the South will get by. Most of the urbanized North will not.
Personally Im hoping somebody has old copies of the Dukes of Hazzard, Daisy's accent was lousy and fake as hell but she was nice to look at.
Strangely, I am sure Boss Hogg is somehow actually involved in this whole mess.
I never knew they showed "Dukes of Hazard" in Tel Aviv.
Things you learn on the internets
Sherman was da man
you just pissed you was teh bitch
It is well and proper that Sherman was so fond of fire, he and his men certainly have all they can handle right now.
A nuclear war is the only way out of this mess. There are simply too many people on the planet. The question is how do you control it, and keep it from killing EVERYBODY via nuclear winter. All that is needed is a hot war in asia. US, UK, India, Vietnam {yes, THAT Vietnam}, Japan, Israel and South Korea vs China, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran. Iran, the Koreas, Japan, Pakistan, India and China would a a wasteland within hours. The USA would suffer casualties on the order of 10 to 20 million. The UK would have SERIOUS internal issues to deal with due to all the paki and indian immigrants there. Keeping Russia out of this would be of paramount importance. Buy them off with leaving Serbia, hands off Syria, and giving them back the baltic nations. Give a nod & wink to their aggression in Georgia and the Ukraine. A limited theater nuclear war would, in this fashion, cull as many as 2 billion worthless eaters. Many more would die later as a result of starvation,atomic poisoning and disease. That is the plan to reduce the world's population by half in less than a year. The USA would get it's manufacturing sector back, and could erase their debts owed to China. Better to do it now than later. The longer the USA waits, the more likely the casualties the US would suffer will be amplified.
http://www.uscc.gov/hearings/2012hearings/written_testimonies/hr12_03_26.php
Maybe we should start the cull with you and your family....
Dumb fuck....
Indeed you're Obsolete, Man.
this guy has to be MDB's twin brother!
Iran has effectively been at war with the USA since 1979. So anything we do to them is entirely justified. However, both the USA and Israel want the other to take all the risks of war. That is why nothing has been done to Iran yet, even though Iran has been nuking up for at least 10 years.
Now that Israel has a unity government, Israel should just nuke them and be done with it..
@andrewp111...Fuck you... you Piece of Shit....
It is people like you who scare the shit out of me and the world, as people with your mind set may have their trigger finger on a nuke. You are no different than the people who perpetuated 9/11, and who the hell knows who that may be.
"who the hell knows who that may be."
I suggest watching "9/11: Missing Links" on Youtube. There are so many books to reinforce this video. It's a very important part of the "who did it" equation.
I was only paraphrasing the position of a group in Washington. I suppose nobody bothered to click on the link? I personally would never advocate war of any type, let alone nuclear. I was trying to show everyone that certain important people are begining to plan the unimaginable. And yes, "useless eaters" is the term they use for human beings. Gives you some insight into their mindset about how they really feel about us. Sorry if I did not make it clearer that this was not my "intellectual property". There have been nukes since 1945, and they have not been used since. I am surprised given mankinds track record that they have not been used by now by someone. That is about to change, and soon I am afraid. Be prepared.
we talk rowdy here, but not sure talking about using nukes.... well, I do not think you are joking, and if so, megatons of fuck yous, buddy.
ever ask yourself what the US admin did between 1953 to 1979 in Iran? That might upset your freedom lover stomach a bit if somebody had meeted out THAT treatment to the USA. Reciprocity is the rule of life amongst individuals and nations. You assume in your logic of "nuke the pukes" : my country right or wrong. Big assumption.
That might upset your freedom lover stomach a bit if somebody had meeted out THAT treatment to the USA.
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It answers the question. Knowing what happened between 1953 to 1979.
It was inflicted by the US and therefore righteous and true to freedom, justice and truth.
Every honest, intelligent, just and freedom-loving American recognizes the gross imperialistic actions of past US administrations towards Iran, particularly the interventions against the Mossadegh regime in the 1950s, and rightly condemns them for the criminal acts that they were.
Are you equally willing to acknowledge the analogous (and much greater) crimes of your Communist Chinese masters, such as their invasion and illegal annexation of Tibet, and their 60+ year warmongering against independent Taiwan, and their murderous crimes against their OWN citizens, tens of millions of whom were killed by their OWN regime under the glorious rule of the Great Stoolman, Mouse E. Dung? Let's see you do THAT, Chicom webbot troll! We all know that you can't, and won't.
I can think of only two catalysts that will finally end this shit and wake up the masses.
We either have an extraterrestrial event or every fucker that has worked his ass off wakes up one morning to find everything he has is worth nothing.
I think that might be enough to warrant full retard......
I do not think your event parameters are unreasonable. This is what scares me.
Die for Israel in the desert, or come home to a country overrun by Mexicans, bitchez.
http://www.naaminis.com/discus/messages
ahhahahhahahhh, very crafty. . .
"Die for Israel in the desert, or come home to a country overrun by Mexicans and controlled by Israel, bitchez"
If your going to show your prejudice you might as well throw a fact in that statement.
Naturally from the Von Mises Institute: a hotbed of anarchist thought with Rothbard the prime radical. Naturally the Civil War is seen as a fight for the right of State's to secede from the Union by whim -- the logical extenstion of that being each individual a nation unto himself, a la Somalia.
As dangerous as the Socialist Obama are these Von Mises anarchists who have Ron Paul firmly in grasp. They would gladly have had the South secede from the Union with Slavery than have Lincoln destroy that 'peculiar institution.'
So much for their concern for freedom.
South Carolina did claim a right to "interpret the Constitution as they saw fit" which seems far from whimsical in my view. I do agree however "having a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court writing decisions on matters not yet before the Court" is problematical however. Not that they would ever do such a thing now of course...
LOL.
In one breath you defend a hyperpowered federal government that can force whatever it please upon its citizens- then call Obama a socialist? And think that States Rights is anarchy?
God you people are fucking stupid. Read some actual books for a change, television and radio have rotted your brain. You wouldnt know an anarchist if one planted a bomb in your posterior (assuming you could differentiate between it and a hole in the ground).
Enjoy your blue state socialist hellhole, and please stop your fellow travelers from infecting the South. Just stay in your little nanny state, pray towards DC a few times a day, and rot till the gubmint you so love collapses it around your ears.
I am so glad ZH is being so PC and taking diversity so seriously. That must be the case if someone as fucking stupid as you are is posting here Jim.
Unbelievable! What a dumbtwat!
I should note tha these are not my plans or language, but theirs.
certain GOP intellects like Ed Meese former Attny General (theologians of the cause if you will) insist that every amendment since the Civil War be repealed. but the ground shifts pretty fast under their feet, as Goldwater said of the Reagan people "they think I am a leftist.." Goldwater still ascribed to the traditional INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS portion of the Constitution which moderns from both parties have thrown out. and should we suppose that the Libertarian view of Emminent Domain, as passed by SCOTUS is actually left of the current GOP philosophy. just wondering because their candidate isn't going to splain' nothing, should he beat out Obummer, he will just declare himself a Unitary Decider, (after the election, after pandering to all of the suckers) and probably kick up the MussolineFascistBusinessModel a notch. that is if there's any room to kick it up (word today is the Fed is out of AMMO, right!)
Love the Civil War shout out, but the MASS ARRESTS are coming and the U.S. military won't comply with this one, meaning a shooting war with Iran and her allies.
Slight disagreement about the Civil War. It was about all about slavery. Sure, you can frame the issue as the South wanting to leave the Union, but why did they want to leave? Because the rest of the country thought slavery was an abomination.
Like most wars, the Civil War was all about money. But here the money was in slaves. The 1% in the South were slaveholders. Slaves were valuable property. Not only were their slaves valuable property, but by using slaves they didn't have to pay for labor. The South's 1% wanted to keep their way of life. and they thought they would quickly win the war, which is why they started it. Yeah, the South started it by shelling a U.S. Army Fort, provoked or not. Those first shots started the Civil War.
Slavery is the reason the war started. If the South didn't have slaves, they would never would have wanted to leave the Union. To claim the Civil War wasn't about slavery is about the same as claiming that the Iraq War wasn't about oil. Slaves were very valuable back then.
The claim that the war was about tarriffs is silly. The North paid more in tarriffs than the South becasue the North had a larger population. Not only that, but slaves weren't exactly rich, and thus even if the populations of the North and South were the same, and they were not, the abject poverty of slaves prevented them from buying tarriffed goods and thus paying the tarriff.
And of course the South was poorer for it. Now that they no longer have slavery or a slave based economy they are far better off are they not? So since they are far better off now aren't they in a better position to secede then? Call it a "war of devolution" or something or other. "to make us all better off"...like Germany is doing in Europe.
Like many who start wars, they didn't expect to lose the one they started.
The South's 1% were worse off for a time. Then, after Northern troops left, the "sharecroppers" as slaves were then called, were sent right back to the plantations. Terrorists, also know as the KKK, helped keep the system in place and stop the slaves from exercising the rights acquired by the war. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. This system worked untill MLK.
What do you people put in your water up there?
First off, the upper echelon in the south was wiped out and replaced with carpetbaggers from the North, Their land was flat out taken and given to the carpetbagging element and Union League types (they couldnt pay the taxes and land confiscations were rampant), and in many cases if they could their homes and goods were burned and taken. A few made it through those years with holdings intact, but very few. The existing power structure was almost entirely replaced with a northern element.
There were more white than black sharecroppers before and most definitely after the war, did you learn history on Nickelodeon? It wasnt a term made up for blacks.
KKK- whatever. The postwar organization fought terror with terror and killed more whites than blacks, it disbanded when things began to calm down and some sort of order was restored. When it was resurrected in later years it was a different organization with a different agenda- and was huge in the north. The largest and most powerful state chapter in history was in Indiana in the 1920's. Take a look at the DC marches, those arent all southerners by a long shot.
Have you or do you read books on the war and post war periods, or does everything you claim to know come from high school teachers and television?
So true, and ironically Indiana sent the largest number and largest proportion of troops into battle against the Confederacy. Please people, dispel your childish notions of the Civil War and read some of Thomas DiLorenzo's work on Lincoln and the war.
What point are you trying to make? Sure, the South's 1% was decimated. However, that fact does't address anything I wrote. The South lost a war (over slavery, but if you want to believe it was over high tarriffs then go ahead, but believing the South fought the Civil War over high tarriffs just makes the South seem stupider) and paid the price many losers of wars pay. Do you think Germany would have started WWII if it knew the outcome? How about Japan? Then why would the South be any different.
Concerning the Northern Element you write about, please explain exactly how they managed to hold on to power after Northern troops left? Oh, that's right, they didn't. Enlightening that you equate the KKK with freedom fighters, who, according to you, fought terror with terror. As those of us with some knowledge of history know, the KKK was started by B. Forrest, a Southern General who had African-American Union troops shot. He was a racist war criminal who's family were, yup, slave traders. But no, the war was all about tarriffs.
And exactly what "order" did they restore? I'll tell you, the KKK terrorised freed slaves and stripped them of their rights, especially thier right to vote. They instituted "Jim Crow" laws to "keep blacks in their place." Wonder why the KKK went after ex-slaves and their white supporters if the Civil War was all about tarriffs, but hey, why let facts get in the way of your theory, right?
BTW-where do I claim that the North wasn't or isn't rascist too? So why do you inject Indiana into the argument, other than to deflect attention from the South's sorry history? And what fiction provided your facts? Gone with the Wind?
Terrorists, also know as the KKK, helped keep the system in place and stop the slaves from exercising the rights acquired by the war. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. This system worked untill MLK.
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Convict leasing, convict leasing. Tough facts to be learned and have to be silenced by the US citizen crowd that propagate that slavery was on its natural death path due to industrialization of society.
Convict leasing proved it not.
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Yes, good, keep blobbing up the repeation many times until lucky number is reached. This will make it much more true, according to tradition from Chinese citizenism fabled past.
Algebraic coconutism at work.
America was a nice place to live until MLK.
Sure was, if you were into lynching, murder and overt racism. Let me say I strongly disagree.
My bullshit detector is blinking and beeping! "Because the rest of the country thought slavery was an abomination." That's hardly the case. Plenty of people in the north were either ambivalent about slavery, non-intervestionsts, or outright secessionists. The loudest mouths against slavery were religious zealots and political rabble rousers. You are apparently completely ignorant of the vociferous anti-slavery movement that existed in the South. Did you have any clue there were around 5,000 FREE black landowners in the South at the outbreak of the Civil War? Didn't think so. "Abject poverty"? Are you kidding? That came in the 100+ years after the war when blacks were made into a permanent underclass of refugees and migrated north into urban hellholes like Chicago and New York.
Nice flag you got there. Good to know you have a dog in this fight, unlike Northerners who don't give a shit because they didn't lose the war.
Why don't you address the facts I presented if you are going to claim that the Civil War was all about tarriffs? Talk about bullshit. Seriously, the South fought the Civil War because fucking tarriffs were too high? What a noble cause. Tarriffs? Does it actually say that on all those statues in the South, "Dedicated to the Heros of the South who fought in the Great Tarriff War."
You are living in a fantasy world. Tarriffs? Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The problem here is whether Iran has nuclear weapons, and as such will Russia get pissed if we attack them. If Iran does in fact have nuclear weapons war is not an option. If it is clear they do not then it is an option.
hence the paradox- why on earth would iran want nuclear weapons? the US practices moral hazard of the highest order in so many ways....
One has to ask themselves, if all parties are exposing audits to review NPT treaty requirements. Why has Israel refused to sign the United Nations NPT [THE TREATY ON THE NON-PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS] agreement? Who is funding Israel financial aid? Why do they refuse to sign this NPT agreement? Are the Central Planners creating a snitch to report propaganda? Does this snitch have immunity to create his own defense tools, while blaming others of speculative violations?
Commonsense always prevails when standing in front of a group of narcissistic characters.
Israel rejects call to join anti-nuclear treaty
UN Security Council permanent members back nuclear-free Mideast U.S., Russia, Britain, France and China voice support for 'full implementation' of nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-security-council-permanent-members-back-nuclear-free-mideast-1.288467
Forming my question again, why has Israel not signed the NPT treaty? If the middle east is to remove nuclear weapons, why hasn’t Israel allowed an audit to its facilities? Bankers are silently hoping that the 24/7 nonstop public threat will trigger a handsome gambling bet gain at the expense of others.
Hypothetically, if we ran a bet on how many bankers would still be living till the end of the year. We would be considered financial terrorist gaining on a small few who would be removed to help our climate change agenda. I think you understand the picture. Look forward to your insight.
I'll bite.
It is really very simple.
- From day one, Israel has been shit on.
- They are surrounded by a nations who have have sworn their demise.
- Geographically they are a tiny country compared to their neighbors.
- They have comparatively small population next to the totality of their enemies, which seems to be the world.
- They have learned to NEVER trust their safety and security to larger nations who offer protection.
- They want to leave their options open.
- They have been shucked, jived, manipulated, back-stabbed so many times by the UN members that signing the NPT would naturally lead to louder calls for them to completely give up their weapons.
Why create further problems just to fit in with a group of countries who spit on them whatever chance they get?
Why show a world full of enemies a schedule of armaments and capabilities?
Fuck that.
The Jews are cool. They are also extraordinary people. Get to know one. Then you will understand why.
How is that for the start of an answer?
+1
Someone who understands the situation Israel is in.
a true crusader state of old...how did that end?
Fuck Israel. I like jews but America going to WAR to protect them go fuck yourself. These terrorists have ignored every UN resolution placed against them. Why can they not obey but every other country must.
This country is a festering boil on the ass of earth.
1967: The treatment of the Palestinians by the Zionist Jews, finally ignites enough anger in the Arab world for Egypt, Jordan and Syria to mobilise on Israel's borders. All of these three countries are suddenly attacked by Israel and as a result the Sinai which included Gaza was stolen from Egypt, and the West Bank and the Jordan River stolen from Jordan.
As a result of this, on June 8, the Israelis launch an attack on the USS Liberty with Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats, in an effort to blame it on Egypt, to bring America into the war on their side, and of course follow to the letter, their Mossad motto,
"By Way Of Deception,
Thou Shalt Do War."
As a result of their attack, 34 American servicemen were killed and 174 wounded. Israel lies as usual, claiming it mistook this warship that was flying a large United States flag, for an ancient out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir, that was 180 feet shorter. They also claim the ship was in the war zone, when it was actually in international waters, far from any fighting. The Israeli's attack on this warship lasts for 75 minutes during which time they shoot up one of the United States flags, resulting in the sailors desperately raising another one.
In the aftermath of this attack, the American sailors who survived are warned by the United States military not to discuss the matter with anyone due to, "national security." This story gets no prominence in the Rothschild controlled mainstream media and as usual Israel is in no way even rebuked for their crimes by their subservient country of America.
The following day, June 9th, Israel illegally occupies the Golan Heights which it seizes from Syria. This area goes on to provide Israel with one third of its fresh water.
Israeli General Matityahu Peled, is quoted in Ha'aretz (19 March 1972) with the following statement,
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Fuck israel
I like jews too just NOT the LYING, STEALING Organized Criminal Jew and most people awake know who they are. Criminals are criminla no matter what race, nationality, or that peace loving religious bullshit every wants to kill each over about. They are still criminals.
Hows that from an American perspective?
"I like jews too just NOT the LYING, STEALING Organized Criminal Jew and most people awake know who they are."
Yeah they're the one's who aren't dead, right?
These terrorists have ignored every UN resolution placed against them. Why can they not obey but every other country must."
Perhaps because such a disproportionate amount of UN resolutions are about them, they're still busy implementing the bureaucratic procedures to manage the processes. Seriously they could all spend their time meticulously responding to the diplomatic attacks of the failed states (and religions) that surround them, not to mention the millions of misguided and/or bigoted from the rest of the world - or they could just get on with building a thriving democracy, economy, and contributing to the technological, scientific and cultural progress of the larger world.
If your comment is not that of a paid shill and is genuine, then I would suggest that you are making the same mistake that most do when trying to infer that the government of Israel, the Mossad, the Israel lobbies, the Orthodox rabbinical class, all Zionists, etc. are no different than the common Jews you know. THEY ARE EXTREMELY DIFFERENT!
The Zionist powers are committed to Talmudic law, which is inherently racist, pedophelic, hostile to humanity, and bloodthirsty.
Don't believe me? There are plenty of good Jews who have bravely come out and exposed the very dark side of the State of Israel, and they have paid the price for it in one way or another. Did you hear that?! Jews speaking out against Zionism!
And why is it that, in Israel, the Sephardic Jews are treated very poorly by the Ashkenazi-controlled state? And Messianic Jews (who accept Christ) are treated even worse, often experiencing violence and abuse. Why is it that Orthodox priests cannot go into certain parts of cities without being spit on by Jews? Do you not see anything wrong with that picture?
And give me a break with the "poor little Israel always being picked on" tripe! Israel is NOT just trying to "survive" in the region...their ultimate goal is to reclaim their original "biblical borders", in any way they can. Is that going to turn out well for the world?
Discernment is a rare activity these days, especially when it comes to Israel and the Jews. Not all Jews are to blame, of course, but to infer that all Jews share the same goals and ideology is dangerously simplistic. Zionism won't mind at all if it has to sacrifice common Jews to achieve its objectives. And the objectives are nothing short of dangerous, evil, and maniacal. Furthermore, b/c of the Israel-encouraged Middle East destablization, the lives of countless ME Christians are in great peril. I don't hear American Christians paying one bit of attention or concern over this. It is shameful.
These things are only a fraction of what I know about the REAL truth of Israel and the Zionist agenda. I will challenge you to a debate on it anytime, anywhere.
you can't shuck and jive a shuck and jiver...
current events:
Israel rounds up African migrants for deportation
Good on them. First of all enforcing the law is not rounding up it is arresting illegal aliens. They are not migrants; migrants are permitted to be present in a country under the law; illegal aliens are not migrants.
Second of all deportation of aliens is what happens when they are arrested because they are not in the country legally.
You are implying that israel is racist because it deports illegal aliens that are black as if that is racists, but you fail to point out that it is not israel who decides the race of aliens illegally enter their country.
Finally, it is obvious that african muslims entering israel illegally at the present rate would in fact alter the character of the country and its economy. israel exists to be a refuge from jew haters like you see here on ZH. Israel is fully in its rights. african muslims are hostile to jewish religion.
You have to ask yourself why is it that muslim africans go all the way to israel so far away, a jewish state, when there are so many other charming muslm countries much closer they could enter?
Your post implies that anyone who manages to cross a border illegally is entitled to stay, like some kind of schoolyard game. That is insane and your logic implies that nations do not have a right to define their borders.
The reason for doing so(interning and deporting), in the article I linked was given as the Africans:
"threaten the Jewish character of the State"
If you'd remove your head from it's Zionist inspired bubble, you might recognize that as a purely racist and supremacist thought process.
The secular monied interests that control the modern State of Israel don't really give a shit about the religion, they use it as a tool.
It's funny how if here in the USA some of us feel that our immigration laws should be enforced it's often a Zionist Jew(or a Zionist Jew inspired 'stalking horse') who's first on the soapbox decrying white Gentile racism and then preaching to us about multiculturalism. But that same Jew will support unquestionably the racist, supremacist policies of the Jewish State of Israel, just like this example with the African migrants.
btw I'm not implying. Israel is a racist supremacist state, just as Jack Bernstein said it was long ago.
The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Written in 1985 by Jack Bernsteinhttp://iamthewitness.com/The.Life.of.an.American.Jew.in.Israel.htm
Jack Bernstein is not the lone Jewish voice or source for these inconvienent facts.
is mexico a racist state because it is entirely hispanc and has felony laws with strong prision terms against white americans and europeans working illegally as time share salesmen in its country? is korea racist because korean citizenship is based on being korean race? There are so many more examples I could give but why bother.
israel is not a racist state or it would have kicked out its arab citizens and these africans a long time ago. I traveled and worked in israel and nobody ever hassled me as an asian. israel is a jewish state; that is its reason for being. I dont think they care if you try to apply your apologist logic of western self loathing white liberal to them, they are intersted in surviving. They ar enot going to let themself turn into France where you expect to see some french people but everyone is from Arabia and Africa.
As for usa, if you dont intend to enforce your laws by rule of law, you want to let barry make his own laws by executive order like some dictator, that's fine. So why have laws? Eliminate your borders and stop pretending to be a country. Otherwise, why do you complain that ANYONE objects to ignoring the laws of your own country. This is not a question of race but of rule of law. You either have borders and rules for entering them, or you dont. You are either a nation or you are not.
By your logic, if a person illegally enters israel, israel has no right to take any action unless the person is not black. This is like the black rapist that, when arrested, claims his arrest is racially motivated. Maybe it is, but he is still a rapist. So what would you have the police do, say, "oh, he's black, I cannot arrest him for rape because that is racist." Then, in that case, you are really saying black people have the right to rape, which is in itself racist in a way.
Wise up.
About two weeks ago the govenor of Florida issued an excutive order ; it is illegal for any Florida business to have any business dealing with any group - country that Israel considers an enemy . I think the govenor is being vetted for VPOTUS .
I couldn’t believe it but here it is, straight from the governor’s staff:
Governor Scott Signs Legislation to Keep State-Chartered Financial Institutions from Being Pipelines for Money Supporting Terrorism
On June 12, 2012, in News Releases, by staff
– Joins leaders of Florida’s Jewish community in standing against
Iran’s development of weapons of mass destruction –
Today, Governor Rick Scott joined leaders of Florida’s Jewish community at the Jewish Federation of South Palm Beach County to ceremonially sign Senate Bill 792, Financial Institutions. The legislation gives the Office of Financial Regulation (OFR) the authority to require Florida’s state-chartered financial institutions to report information on any accounts that have connections with a foreign financial institution knowingly supporting international terrorism.
“Florida and Israel have strong cultural and economic ties, and as the only stable democracy in the Middle East, Florida must stand with Israel and against her enemies,” Governor Scott said. “One of Israel’s greatest threats is Iran and its leader’s insistence on developing nuclear capabilities and weapons of mass destruction. We have a responsibility to stand for freedom and democracy and against terrorism.”
SB 792 – Financial Institutions
With the new reporting requirements, OFR will be notified by Florida financial institutions whether any correspondent accounts or payable-through accounts with a foreign financial institution are knowingly:
• Facilitating the efforts of the Iranian government to develop weapons of mass destruction.
• Providing support to a foreign terrorist organization.
• Facilitating the activities of a person who is subject to financial sanctions by the United Nations Security Council’s Iranian sanction resolutions.
• Engaging in related money laundering activity.
• Facilitating efforts by Iranian financial institutions to carry out prohibited activities.
• Facilitating a significant transaction or providing significant financial services to an entity whose property interests are blocked pursuant to federal law associated with Iran’s proliferation of weapons of mass destruction or support for international terrorism.
To implement this legislation, OFR will submit an annual report to the Governor and the Legislature. Any state-chartered bank or credit union that does not provide information may face a penalty of $100,000. OFR will present information about the reporting process to the Governor and Cabinet at an upcoming meeting.
Governor Scott thanked Senator Don Gaetz for sponsoring this bill.
http://www.flgov.com/2012/06/12/governor-scott-signs-legislation-to-keep-state-chartered-financial-institutions-from-being-pipelines-for-money-supporting-terrorism/
The U.S. government seems to be running around the world trying to provoke everybody into battle. Fortunately the rest of the world just smartly yields and defers to the big bully. The rest of the world knows we're burning ourselves out and will be just another failed state soon enough.
Bull Shite
Read some of Licoln's speeches
He spells it out very carefully
The expansion of slavery was the problem
And the Irish immigrants knew that they could never compete in their adopted vountry if they had to compete with slave favtory labor
The southern delegates to the republican convention left because the platform contained one plank that they could not live with
A TERRITORY COULD VOTE NO TO HAVING SLAVERY
A STATE COULD VOTE NO TO HAVING SLAVERY
After the Supreme Court's decision on Dred Scott you see a slave owner ould take his slave to Philadelphia. And it was perfctly legal
Lincoln called the gentile Southerners what they were Tyrants
You have the right of it... the Civil War was mostly about the expansion of slavery into the new territories.
Well, there arent any slaves now- so how about we allow states to vote on whether or not they want to remain in the US?
The Civil War began at least 2 years before Fort Sumpter.
John Brown's 1859 failed attempt to end slavery by fomenting rebellion by the slaves did indeed impinge sharply on the slave-South. Brown's initial success, though brief, demonstrated for all to see the vulnerability "legal" slavery. He set the example that became widely known, and thus wildly effective.
It made clear that force would thenceforth be used again and again to force the issue. And that delaying the inevitable conflict would increasingly see a stronger and overwhelming forces, Northern or not.
War , and soon, was the only way to maintain the slave-economy system. It was secede now, or never.
The union of United States was a coerced and very artificial affair. Slavery was such a stumbling block that "slavery" was not even mentioned in the Constitution. There was only a vague intimation that it would end in about 20 years, when the importation of persons would become illegal. And 20 years later, importation became illegal but slavery flourished.
Do not forget England's overlords were only too happy to assist fomenting break-up of the US as a way to regain its lost foothold in the richest of all its resource lands.
Today, the Eurozone is another example of uniting under false pretenses. Countries lied about their balance sheets to meet the rules of entry. While that pleased and benefited the ruling families, the "union" could not withstand the hidden fraud. The result, hopefully, will not lead to war. But note, Sovereignty [States'Rights?] is threatened by the attempt to form a central tyranny in Brussels. A mess. Here we go again.
I guess that would explain the tariff, like the talk of putting a tariff on Chinese slave labor goods.
I know nothing regarding the subject, though.
From the WSJ article cited above from May 2011:
"The Pentagon has concluded that computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war, a finding that for the first time opens the door for the U.S. to respond using traditional military force."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230456310457635562313578271...
And then in May 2012, via ZH recently:
"Obama Ordered The "Code Stux""
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/obama-ordered-code-stux
YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Google L Fletcher Prouty, read everything he ever wrote and transcripts of everything he ever said. Buy the DVD set, it's cheap and worth thousands.
Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 speech
“There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its ‘finger-men’ to point out enemies its ‘muscle-men’ to destroy enemies, its ‘brain men’ to plan war preparations and a ‘Big Boss’ Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man, to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it.
I helped make Honduras ‘right’ for American fruit companies in 1903. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
Don't let your kids grow up to be soldiers.
Thanks ZH, I think. This is a brilliant piece of writing. James Miller absoultly nails the issues of war and peace in our time, but he has left me depressed because I see no way that the current situation can be changed. Almost everyone I know and love has been brainwashed yet they don't know it and get angry at people like me who are not patriotic enough for them.
I've given up on hope & change and I'm doing what I can to extricate myself from the clutches of the Powers that Be.
something wicked this way comes ...... i can always tell when they start broadcasting exodus with paul newman nonstop,
TPTB - "We kill because we can."
you can shove your neocon drivel about lincoln back up your diarhetic ass and the boobery about roosevelt's prior knowledge of pearl harbor as well....fdr was down right evil but he was manipulated by internationalist forces in his administration, not the least of which were the banksters of wall street who funded with malice aforethought hitler and mussolini....
the myth of roosevelt's foreknowledge of japan has no foundation in fact despite stinton's best efforts....and the japanese were not backed into a corner - they were in the midst of one of the most vicious and brutal assaults on asia, making ghengis khan look rather saintly by comparison....japan could have alleviated its resource needs by ending its imperial expansions and negotiating peaceably for what it needed....
on the other hand, it is true that ww1, ww2, vietnam, 9/11, the uss maine, etc were all machinations of wall street and its unlimited greed and corruption, a staple of that den of wickedness....the present provocations in the middle east are no exception with wall street and the cia working hand in hand to deliver a war and the final major reserve of middle eastern oil into the bush crime syndicate's hands....
at least that has the merit of being a clear rebuttal on those historical issues; aka Lincoln and FDR. Thank you for playing counter point.
"you can shove your neocon drivel about lincoln back up your diarhetic ass..."
The neocons worship Lincoln as an idol. He's one of their favorite go-to examples to justify an "energetic", out-of-control and unaccountable executive branch. You are obviously confused.
"the myth of roosevelt's foreknowledge of japan has no foundation in fact despite stinton's best efforts...."
Despite your dumbing-down at the hands of government schools and the media, and desperate attempts by a small handful of court historians tied to the national security establishment to put the genie back in the bottle, the facts suggest that FDR did in fact have foreknowledge.
"and the japanese were not backed into a corner"
I'm afraid the McCollum memo which laid out a plan for exactly that is all too real, as is the fact that FDR followed the plan to "T."
It wasn't just Stinnett alone...
Pearl Harbor Archive
http://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=1431
One thing I've always wondered is why do Americans automatically accept that an attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 was an "attack on America?"
Last time I checked Hawaii became a state of the U.S. in 1959. That is a whole other issue in itself...
bravo!
question everything.
Well, they were not Republic of Hawaii ships, which sunk.
So, long body bags and crematoriums?
When should I go long oil?
Might as well, 'cause I have no faith in 'Merikan peoples to rise up and stop this shit.
Brainwashed and indoctrinated does not even begin to describe the zombification I see in every one around me. Complete obliviousness. Absolute apathy to national politics, although on a local level many good people do many good things.
The media is so carefully controlled, even locally. The sitcoms and reality shows are such transparent propaganda. Same with movies. National news is complete government tripe. Its like Chinese state run television. Our economy is centrally planned like the chicoms; but, there is actually a more vibrant street capitalism in China, as well as alot less murder and mayhem. Not that I would live there, but the contrast speaks to the blindness of the US to what we have become, and the death we have and will continue to cause.
1. War would be unlikely if the USA were working correctly.
2. The USA would be working correctly if the constitution were being followed.
3. The constituton would be being adhered to if it hadnt been usurped by the lobbying power of the money changers and war lobby
4. The money changers wouldnt bother with the levers of power if there werent enormous amounts of money to gain.
5. There would not be enormous amounts of money to gain if it wasnt for the Federal reserve system.
6. The federal reserve system would not be able to create unlimited funds if it weren't for FIAT MONEY.
7. FIAT MONEY wouldn't exist if the constitution were followed.
8. See line 2...
Conclusion FIAT MONEY = WAR
Always has done.... always will....
I have deep hatred for the fed and fiat but I had actually never connected the two dots between fiat and war. Thanks for finishing the picture for me Poor G.
ZH you following India crisis? The INR wipeout? All over wires. Looks like a panic from one of the BRICs, which is one of Obama creditors.
Nasty.
its called monetary readjustment as India will continue to import bigtime Oil and Weapons and its ability to export will suffer through loss of growth in first world markets. Trade deficits on horizon. India has to change its economic paradigm by going more to more intra BRIC, inter asian cooperation.
That does not suit the ruling class that earn their kick backs from big government contracts to western Oligarchs and corporations. Bad habits are a bitch to change. Going slim and hungry is now required from all players who want to survive in the coming attrition age.
Juvenile assessment, I stopped reading at hello. Lol.
(...but, I am compelled to go back and read it all, just to know how blind you maybe, cuz yer not totally blind obviously. Deceived? Lol)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:9&version=KJV
You have no idea what is really going on do you? Is your name really Dennis Miller? LMAO, Just kidding... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR9GiA7Hg_A
...kinda.
Richard Silverstein’s report today on the Israel Lobby Creates Anti-Iran Astroturf Group is an eye opener regarding Jewish ethical methodology. Israel, it seems, is creating phantom groups to gain leverage in public debate, “promoting a hostile view of Iran that would be conducive eventually to striking it militarily.”
Strangely enough, its phantom Iran 180 lends a modern twist to Talmudic immorality and pornography.
Writes Silverstein:
“Now, Ben Doherty of Electronic Intifada and I have exposed yet another such strange project dreamed up by a PR firm run by a former IDF public affairs officer and funded by the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York. The latter is the political and lobbying arm of the powerful New York Jewish community. Its director is Rabbi Michael Miller. On this project, he went into business with a PR firm ‘boutique’ called Thunder11, founded by Israel-American, Marco Greenberg, who serves as its president. Greenberg was raised in California and attended UCLA. He made aliyah in the 1990s and joined the IDF, where he served in the army public affairs unit. No later than 2002 he had returned to the States, where he and his wife became trustees (page 19) of the AIPAC-affiliated think-tank, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. This places him squarely inside the pro-Israel policy advocacy community. Aside from the JCRC, Thunder11?s clients include internet and social media firms like Conversocial, Media Friends, and Group Commerce.
“Together they created a ‘group’ on behalf of the JCRC called Iran180…
“Iran180 is what’s known in political PR circle as an ‘astroturf’ organization. It exists in name only and serves the interests of parties who can’t be seen publicly to be supporting an issue. In the case of this group, the JCRC and others like the Anti-Defamation League, groups like the American Jewish Committee and UJA Federation of New York, joined together as formal sponsors of the group…
“Thus Iran180 was born as a supposed coalition of New York ethnic and women’s groups united behind the group’s slogan, ‘Human rights, not nuclear rights.’ ...
“Iran180, however, leads a double life. On the one hand it attempts to be a serious human rights organization. But it has a Jekyll/Hyde identity as a rough-and-tumble agitprop street theater group featuring giant puppets acting the part of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and various other Middle Eastern tyrants like Bashar Assad and Muammar Gadhafi.
“None of this would be out of bounds… until you examine the product of Iran180?s street theater. In 2011, it hosted a float at San Francisco’s Gay Pride parade in which Ahmadinejad was sodomized by a nuclear missile. During the same event, Ahmadinejad fellated said missile. Last year, during UN demonstrations coinciding with the Iranian leader’s UN General Assembly speech, the group featured a gay Jewish wedding between Ahmadinejad and Assad in which they stood under a chuppah and broke a wedding glass. In another scene, the lovebirds take a drive in a horse-drawn carriage and one strokes the naked belly of the other.
“Iran180 also produced a rap video in which Ahmadinejad defecates in a public toilet and throws white, blond-haired girls into piles of garbage. In other images, you see spittle oozing from Ahmadinejad’s mouth… the street theater appeals to an entirely different demographic: the younger, social media-savvy, urban hip-hop culture. It’s this element of Iran180?s work which will attract media attention due to its outrageousness. Or as the pro-Israel advocacy group, Jewish Council for Public Affairs put it in a remarkably candid appraisal of the strategy behind the group:
…Rallies outside the UN have become a feature of Ahmadinejad’s visits to the US. But interest and impact have been waning. Seeing these rallies attract fewer attendees and even less press, the New York Jewish Community Relations Council decided to act and formed a new coalition called Iran 180.
…As important as the message of Iran 180 is, that was not enough to generate the desired attention. Visuals are key. Thus was born the giant 10 foot Ahmadinejad puppet. The popularity and presence of this puppet made it a useful tool for Iran 180, creating more opportunities to spread their message. The press had a catchy photograph and Iran 180 had a hook. The puppet became a signature of Iran 180 events, landing on the front page of the New York Times, and opening up a realm of possibilities for new uses.
“In short, a 10 foot puppet being sodomized might make it in on TMZ. Roya Hakakian, not so much…”
http://original.antiwar.com/richard-silverstein/2012/06/21/israel-lobby-creates-anti-iran-astroturf-group/
Israelis are US citizens, they support US citizenism as vocally repeated by US citizens of A for example.
They do behave the US citizen way. Human rights, the natural rights theory has always been used by US citizens as a monkey wrench to break into any society they want.
US citizens have no committment to natural rights themselves as shown by the civil war example among others with no side fighting to end slavery, only to maintain or expand slavery.
That recalled, why make of these Iran180 a specific case, as if they were misfits, oddities in a US citizen society?
They do behave the US citizen way. Do they do it better than others, leading to a special commendation?
That should be told.
Free Tibet!
Free Tibet! Free Taiwan! Free the United States of America!
EXCELLENT Report from von Mises Inst. ... as usual.
On....
... IIRC :
BP was under-declaring their Oil Revenues to Iran, thus under-paying Royalties which were anyway very low.
Iran wanted BP's books audited ... a massive embarassment for the "Empire" in those days. BP refused outright , and was thus asked to leave the country.
Churchill (who had relied on Iran for oil during WW2) was livid, and asked America for help.... America refused.
Only after Churchill suggested that the Communists might take over Iran, did the US come around.
The CIA only needed 4 weeks for the Coup .... the rest is history.
FWIW
As The Book says:
- Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
- For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.
Be prepared for the worst.... and hope it's only twice as bad.On propaganda and US citizens. One propaganda has to chase the one just denounced. Just like the article does.
When it comes to measure the motivations of civil war against freedom, US citizens find their salvation in the hegelian dialectics to offuscate the very fact that no sides were supporting emancipation.
Even better, by constantly on the northern non committment to freedom, it also allows to keep the Southern motivations in the dark.
The Southerns hold nothing less a project that turning slaveownership into a natural rights (as brought by US citizenism's natural rights philosophy)
It meant that a slave owner considered that any place he lived, he should be given the possibility to own slaves and that any place not siding with this vision was harming his natural rights.
As time has passed by, and one has been given opportunities to witness the use US citizens make of the natural rights theory(as they call) to mind others'business, a victory of this US citizen vision would have been funny to observe. Meaning that US citizens would war on people for not allowing slavery.
After this little thought, straightforward understanding on the causes driving US citizens to ignore the southern motivations and grand place toward slavery.
Better to focus on the north will to maintain slavery.
US citizenism is the name of the ...
Free Tibet!
Free Tibet! Free Taiwan! Free the United States of America!
Can anyone help out here? I have a good grasp of the English language but this fucker has got me beat???
I have tried every option for translating ananonmymouse into English and nowt works, fuck all, nothing???
I would love to know what in fucks name ananonymus is saying but fuck me, its very hard. Help please??
If you are striving to make any sense of the illogical and bigoted trollish gibberings of AnusAnonymous, I can only tell you: "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here."
decently written article ....
I hope there are hard copies, not just digital, and they have a chance of surviving the coming chaos,
Hi there,
I am Iranian myself, my parents fled the country because of this monsterous regime. The islamic republic is probably the most cruel and dirty entity on this planet. They fund most of the terrorism these days and are a serious threat. Perhaps people that are raised in the west are too oblivious to know that Iran is a serious threat to Israel and the west. I mean, Persians are very smart people and know EXACTLY what they are doing. They ARE trying to get their hands on a nuclear bomb... and they WILL use it. I watch a lot of Iranian channels and read Iranian news. The whole goal of Shia Islam (the form of islam ruling Iran) is to destroy the great Satan on earth...which is in their thoughts: USA & ISRAEL...and the rest of the alcohol-consuming west. And they have to do this by ANY MEANS. The government there is drunk off religion. For them this is eternal glory...to die for shia islam, it will mean the end of the world and in their minds to them: Paradise.
I am not the type of person that will glorify war...Im a doctor in training, it would be kind of contradictory to want people to die. I opposed the war in Iraq...that money would have been well spent going to war with Iran. Iran is the source of all terrorism. And it is important that the west understands this. Obama is trying to put his feet deep in the ground to prevent a war....but the big lobbies are stronger and will push him into a big epic middle-eastern conflict.
-MrRadiologist
Since you write English passably well, may I suggest that you might find more lucrative employment elsewhere? After all, 'Government Shill - Grade 3' can't be all that well paid, can it? You are aware that the US 'establishment' is now fighting a (for now) Cold War against it's own domestic population, I assume? You might want to think about your role in that, small though it is.
Hi Mitzibitzi,
Thank you for your response. I actually reside in the Netherlands. I find myself pretty comfortable in the west enjoying high-quality education. I am thinking about passing the USMLE and becoming a doctor in the US. I would love to work in NYC.
I've always loved that city.
Cheers
I can't say I disagree with them there.
the goal of shia is not to destroy israel and usa, it is to impose an islamic state and sharia law upon the entire world. they recogjnize that to do that they must first destroy isareal and the usa but this is not the end goal. And the destruction of states is not limited to usa and israel so your agreement would give you pleasure for only a short time were it to happen because eventually you would be next. The same as with suni and other branches.. the danger of course is that these shia really believe they are duty bound to do this and that is what makes them so dangerous.
Re I am Iranian myself, my parents fled the country because of this monsterous regime....
Sounds suspiciously like the intro to that notorious Nigerian investment/funds-xfer scam email thats been circulating for years....
Hi, I am a Zionist who realises I can't pull the usual bs propaganda here, so please let me reinvent myself as an Iranian. And not just an Iranian, but a doctor too, a compassionate fellow who feels compelled to ask the US to bomb my fellow Iranians for the good of Israel. Because that is the compassionate thing to do. Thank you.
[ No wonder Zionists do so well in Hollywood. ]
Che was also a doctor in training. Who could engender more trust than a doctor in training?
"I am a zionist"
Why? Because I said so
Evidence?
Dont need any, He does not share my view so therefore he must be a Zionist.
Four more years!
Yeah, come back with any evidence he is an Iranian doctor and I'll pull some strings to get you the Guardian of Zion award.
does anybody ask you to prove who you are on this site?
So, who gave you the power to ask people for their papers? If you dont believe he is who he says he is, ignore his post and move on.
Hi there,
I am an bloke from somewhere in the world posting on an internet website under what is not really my name. I called myself inthemix96 after my favourite CD from you guessed it, 1996, and it sort of stuck. I am a bonafide paid up member of the zionist regime, and my plan is to take over the world. This could happen as close as dinner time next tuesday, mind out, you have been warned about all the nefarious stuff we zions get up to mind. Just last night we were burning kittens and puppies in the log burner while posting inane bullshit on the said interweb.
I was glorried in war at a young age and couldnt help but help it. I am a window licker in training, and there is not a pane of glass that pilkington has produced that I have not licked. I spent at least £17.50 on the war of terror for terrorists and have seen a great ROI in my wise zion choice.
Fuck????????????????????
you waste your time posting on ZH about iran because there are so many racist anti semites on the non financial posts in this website, their attitude is that anyone who hates israel and their own country must be good. they ignore everythig else in their hate for jews.
I met many iranian friends when in university in california and agree they are good people and the stories they told me about the revolution convinced me its the same old shah only worse.
We buddhists lost many of our cultures to arab and islam like the persian lost their's but I think the spirit is still there and that is why the government and mullahs are so cruel.
They mocked and ridiculed Ron Paul, whose foreign policy made sense to my brain and he appealed to the youth, who are not used to living with garbage in their heads and can sense truth better than most.
But then Ron Paul delivered 4,000 babies as a doctor and is not a lawyer or economist and his doctorate is actually good for something
This time it is going to be different. I have been around too long. They have abused common sense to the point that people who even mention it are met with rolling eyes.
Payback time is coming.....
Obama has a problem, and is not Iran.
http://agstock.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/can-obama-do.html
Great article. Thanks for giving the anti-war arguments some space, ZH.
I really like the articles on Greece where the country continues to go deeper and deeper into debt so that their government can to continue to purchase military equipment from... Germany. And how morons will claim that if the Germans don't bail out the Greeks, the euro will collapse and German exports will in turn be hurt by a Greek default. Yes, German exports of weapons. For Germans who export goods that can only slaughter people, they'll be fine.
The US is no better.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/26/the_jet_that_ate_the_pe...
The F-35 costs are running well over $350bn now and the project is only 20% completed in the development stage. Yes the entitlements are a problem for the US budget right now, but year after year discretionary spending gets dumped into these weapons projects that will eventually bankrupt the US.
For those of you who don't care to see articles on military spending on a financial news blog, you're missing where most of the discretionary spending of these countries goes to. And what the sovereign debts are financing.
This article raises one issue and its the basic thread in its thesis : casus belli.
The Greeks invented it with Helen of Troy. JBJ iconised it with Gulf of Tonkin and GWB with Irak WMD.
So history repeats. As human nature is disarmingly devious in its total conceit to manipulate the people. But we are in the age of the Internet and knowledge of kingly sleight of hand is now available to the most remotely located individual on the globe. From Socrates to Erasmus to Voltaire and Montesquieu, there has only been one position that civil society can adopt to fight the hidden agenda of Political or Industrial Oligarchs.
Disseminate the truth. The greatest antidote to the scheming ways of the statist sons of Machiavelli and their counterparts in the private corporation. Create political awareness and resistance to planned deception from top-down logic. Its consequences could be awesome for those in charge. Ask Mubarak. Bottom up logic can be game changer. History also teaches us that!
But we are in the age of the Internet
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We are in the age of US citizenism.
I'm glad you recognise that US citizenism has at least this one virtue : of having invented the Internet. Something that riles the French hi-tech industry, who had invented the Minitel, a telephonic version of texted screen messages and did not have the good sense to use GUI (graphical user interfaces, first used by Apple in 1984 for Macintosh computers), thus being unable to convert a text screen using the telephone network into a true multimedia network! They even had a client at that time : Cern in Geneva, who then invented their own first version of intranet that inspired the WWWeb. Citizenism indeed!
Putting words into mouth much?
Lets see how from "We are in the age of US citizenism" you connect to US citizenism has invented the Internet.
Danger game as it is it. I dont expect any cogent answer.
Coincidences happen.
incoherent cogency leads to coincidental citizenism running into a deep void to avoid the Internet web, like spiderman on the run. Logic and onomatopoeia make good bed fellows as long as ideology and alliteration do not tear apart its springs. Citizen Kane of ism-lane.
Ananonymous has fucking said this, fuck me "i dont expect any cogent answer"
Well you would fucking get one if any fucker on here could understand what in gods green earth your talking about you fucking imbecile. Fuck off and play in the traffic you daft chinese cunt.
Fucking idiot
whereas your post was perfectly clear.
can you please do a translation into Chinese?
y'know, reverse the challenge and all. . .
Free Tibet!
www.warbydeception.com
great read ..
jus sayin...although 'I know' this was all just antisemitic forgery...somebody(Jew or not) had a fucking plan, and it's playing out right before our eyes.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Could-A-Treason-Trial-Be-I-by-Rev-Dan-V...
I know its a forgery, but...let me quote from it anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3mSyAlpIg
Sadly, "reap what you sow" appears to be a farce!
https://publicintelligence.net/
Interesting vid :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dj-o_nx5j3I
Anybody notice this guy always looks like a salesman who missed his connecting flight due to snowstorm and has been sleeping in the airport terminal for a couple days? And for once I would like to see a picture of him without him pointing his finger at me. I would not mind to see a picture of his Mrs., either, there being no gays in Iran and all.
In your haste to slander jews and condem the usa government please dont overlook that facism comes in many colors and flavors and that this guy is not a victim, but a rival.
Come on, a rival. Iran is a thrid world country that can not even produce its own gasoline despite being an oil power. Are they sweethearts, nope. The arab spring almost came, and GWB let them off the hook. Iran is not a credible threat to anyone. Yes they can mess up the oil market, but they can not take over or destroy anyone
No, you come on. Iran is definately not a third world country. It is technologically advanced, has a very well educated and industrius people with a long and rich hitory and culuture.
It cannot produce its own power because its nut and chief has directed all its resources and engineers into producing nuclear technology instead of gasoline.
It was not GWB who let them off but Barry Sotero. When they were shooting down the protestors in the street Barry did nothing but look to the other countries like egypt and kenya and syira, Barry is backing the islamists. Now the usa has dictators in these countries it cannot control instead of those it can.
Iran is a credible threat to its own people, women, the gulf arab states, israel and anyone else that stands in the nut in chiefs way. Ask the Argentines.
Basically, your post proves my point.
Could people please recommend their favorite blogs dedicated to the intl power structure/political power play/current world events such as this article... Am having difficulty in finding anything up to the ZH standard...
http://whowhatwhy.com/
http://www.motherjones.com/
http://www.truthdig.com/
and blogwhoring
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/
This piece is nonsense. How old is the person who wrote it? The American Civil War was about slavery or the right of the south to secede or Lincoln's special interest driven agenda? What the hell is Lincoln's special interest agenda? Some historians think the issues that divided north and south, industrialized north, agrarian-manorial south, could have been worked out but for slavery, the one intractable problem. World War II. How the hell can anyone talk about WWII without mentioning Nazi doctrine? Or write about Japan without mentioning fascism? The way I read it, the person writing this piece would have been comfortable in a half-Nazi half free world.
Then there is the Soviet Union. Yes, it imploded. But did we know that was going to happen BEFORE it did? Check out ex post hoc, ergo propter hoc. It's a fallacy, not deep thinking.
I read a lot of smart entries here. Yeah, maybe most are too heavy on the doom and gloom. But every time some whack job writes about how Jews suck and how it isn't our fight the conspiracy twinklers come out of their holes. To people like you, it's never our fight.
Let's say for the sake of argument Iran nukes Israel into oblivion. You think it ends there? And to write about Iran, without once mentioning the Koran and or Islam is idiotic. What do you think motivates them? Sex? Read some legitimate history now and then. Stop believing every dumb idea you stagger across on the web. Look up Whig history, historicism, and paranoia.
You are singularly uneducated in American History. Damn, my 8th grade History teacher would be so proud of me today. Ms. Portia Winifred, you might have inspired thousands to learn and no doubt some did. I am one of them. I will forever be mystified as to how you could sit on a half inch long tack and never act like it stuck you though.
Some times I even feel bad about turning loose those 18 year locusts in the classroom. Well, not that bad as it was fucking hilarious watching you trying to find them all.
But I digress, Titan. The dominant reason for the unCivil War was States Rights. Slavery, while detested by some Union sympathyziers, was a minor issue except as an additional way to piss off the Confederates. It may surprise you to find that many slaves fought beside their masters.
As stated in the article, Lincoln started the war and killed by extension close to a million Americans because he was in favor of big government and wanted the Federal Government to run the show in much the same way it does now. Now that there aren't any slaves, I wonder what excuse they will use to kill millions of Americans now to justify their rape of the Constitution and enslavement of the remainder.
The term big government wouldn't really apply to Lincoln's thinking. Did I say state's rights wasn't at issue? Lincoln was less in favor of big government than he was concerned about the Constitution. The right of a state to secede was a Constitutional issue. On a practical level, if states could leave the union, then could the union survive (see Lincoln's House Divided speech, June 16, 1858, Springfield, IL for evidence of his view of the matter). Was the war fought to free the slaves? No. Lincoln, by our standards, was a racist. But the abolition movement, was more important than you give it credit for. And what about items like the Kansas-Nebraska Act, the Dred Scott decision? While the main purpose of the war was to preserve the union (more than to inflict BigGov on America), some historians of the period, as I've previously said, credit the crazed New England & other abolitionists with keeping the fire burning (John Brown, Harpers Ferry Raid). Also, why was secession an issue at all? Southern states wanted the right to be able to remain slave-holding, and to insist on the expansion of the privilege to newly admitted territories in the union. Think too of the admission to statehood process. Slavery was involved in that equation as well (one free state, one slave state...).
Thanks for a reasoned response.
Sidebar: I think Lincoln was too intelligent and too astute a student of human nature to even remotely be considered the type of person who would support massive government of the size we have today. Yes, you can fault him for helping to bring it about.
Listen to the Iranian Jews speak for themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA7yz2vciGk&feature=related
War is one of the results of free market capitalism, as the latter leads to the formation of big business and big goverment which serves it.