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Protests Reignite On Anniversary Of Japanese Invasion Of China; Boats Enter Japan's Territorial Waters

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Anyone who thought that anti-Japan protests would quietly go away on the 81st anniversary of the Japanese invasion of Manchuria may have to reevaluate. First, overnight the HKEJ said that China is preparing economic sanctions against Japan, and as the situation again escalates, Reuters reports that at least two of 11 Chinese ocean surveillance and fishery patrol ships sailing near East China Sea islets claimed by both Tokyo and Beijing have entered what Japan considers its territory, public broadcast NHK said on Tuesday, quoting Japan's Coast Guard. Subsequently, NHK reported that "a Chinese fisheries patrol ship has departed after approaching Japan's territorial waters off the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. The Japan Coast Guard remains on the alert, saying the Chinese vessel may enter the area again. The Coast Guard spotted the boat some 43 kilometers north-northwest of the largest island, Uotsuri, early Tuesday morning. The Coast Guard confirmed the boat had left the area before 10:30 AM. It said at around 11:10 AM, the vessel again approached Japan's territorial waters off another island and left soon afterward. In response to warnings from Japan's Coast Guard, the Chinese vessel replied the islands are inherent Chinese territory and that its mission is legitimate." Watch this space carefully, especially once the Chinese armada of 1000 fishing boats, which is already en route to Senkaku, engages in a stand off with Japanese battleships: "China's state-run radio has reported 1,000 fishing boats have left the provinces of Zhejiang and Fujian for waters near the Senkaku Islands. But Japan's Coast Guard says it has not yet spotted a large fleet in the area." It will quite soon. Elsewhere, sentiment across mainland China is getting the opposite of better, fast.

From Reuters:

Anti-Japan protests reignited across China on Tuesday, the sensitive anniversary marking Tokyo's occupation of its giant neighbour, escalating a maritime dispute which has forced major Japanese brandname firms to suspend business there.

 

Relations between Asia's two biggest economies have faltered badly, with emotions running high on the streets and also out at sea where two Japanese activists landed on an island at the centre of the dispute.

 

China reacted swiftly to the news of the landing, which risked inflaming a crisis that already ranks as China's worst outbreak of anti-Japan sentiment in decades. Beijing described the landing as provocative, lodged a complaint with Tokyo and said it reserved the right to "take further action".

 

The dispute over the uninhabited group of islands in the East China Sea - known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China - led to another day of protests that were smothered by a heavy blanket of security.

 

Japanese businesses shut hundreds of stores and factories across China and Japan's embassy in Beijing again came under siege by protesters hurling water bottles, waving Chinese flags, and chanting anti-Japan slogans evoking war-time enmity.

 

Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda urged Beijing again to protect Japanese citizens in China.

 

"Today is our day of shame," said a Beijing protester, Wei Libing, a waiter in his 40s. "Japan invaded China on this date."

 

"Wipe out all Japanese dogs," read one banner held aloft by one of thousands of protesters marching on the embassy, which was ringed by riot police standing six rows deep. Japan's foreign ministry said some embassy windows had been smashed.

 

Sino-Japanese ties have long been plagued by China's bitter memories of Japan's military aggression in the 1930s and 1940s and present rivalry over resources - the islands are believed to be surrounded by energy-rich waters.

 

For China, Tuesday marks the day Japan began its occupation of parts of mainland China in 1931.

 

Rowdy protests sprang up in other major cities including Shanghai, raising the risk they could get out of hand and backfire on Beijing, which has given tacit approval to them through state media. One Hong Kong newspaper said some protesters in southern Shenzhen had been detained for calling for democracy and human rights.

In the meantime, as we posted yesterday, up to $350 billion in bilateral annual trade is now at risk. And trillions in downstream consequences.

Other Japanese companies -- from Mazda and Mitsubishi Motors to Panasonic and Fast Retailing -- also shut plants and stores in China, sending Japanese share prices falling and prompting a warning from credit rating agency Fitch that the situation could hurt some auto and tech firms' creditworthiness.

 

Japan's top general retailer, Seven & I Holdings said it will resume business at all its 13 Ito Yokado supermarkets and 198 "7-11" convenience stores in the cities of Beijing and Chengdu on Wednesday.

 

Some firms recalled workers back to Japan due to the unrest.

 

"The situation on the ground in China is not so good and I was advised by the locals not to go out. I couldn't get any work done," Japanese expatriate worker Hisato Takase said on arrival at Tokyo's Haneda airport.

 

Japanese restaurants, a common target of protesters, barred their doors while many Japanese expatriates stayed home.

Expect the situation to deteriorate before it gets better.

 

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Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:20 | 2806334 Mongo
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I saw this in a hollywood movie!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:30 | 2806353 LULZBank
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Japan was anticipating a Black Swan and they got a Peking Crispy Duck.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:42 | 2806371 GetZeeGold
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They ate the thing......and then they were hungry an hour later.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:00 | 2806417 a growing concern
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And they spent the better part of the rest of their day perched upon the porcelain throne.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:26 | 2806476 merizobeach
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This is brilliant.  The Japanese government makes a symbolic move in buying the islands; some bureaucrats transfer some cash, and hardly anyone lifts a finger in effort.  Meanwhile, over in China, society starts coming apart at the seams.  Japan should keep pressing this button and let China erupt like a volcano.

If the next major conflict in the Pacific turns out to be all of China's neighbors versus China, I'll refrain from my usual anti-war rhetoric.  Some motherfuckers--in this case, the government of China--just have it coming.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:42 | 2806526 Short Memories
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Both sides are commited now, this has to get worse before it gets better...

kind of like everything else in the world these days

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:35 | 2806889 mliu_01
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Tyler, are you out of your mind????Boats Enter Japan's Territorial Waters???

It is NOT Japan's territorial water. At worst it is chinese territorial waters and at best it is disputed territorial waters. Get a grip.

Thu, 09/27/2012 - 00:37 | 2834533 merizobeach
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So Japan's administration of these islands--including by its coast guard--since the late 19th century means nothing to you?  Or you're just that ignorant of history?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:35 | 2806890 mliu_01
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Tyler, are you out of your mind????Boats Enter Japan's Territorial Waters???

It is NOT Japan's territorial water. At worst it is chinese territorial waters and at best it is disputed territorial waters. Get a grip.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:08 | 2806567 Precious
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China threatens Taiwan all the time.  Would love to see the Red Army try to invade Taiwan and then get their asses kicked. Taiwan has one of the most competent Air Forces in Asia. Japan has the second largest Navy in the Pacific.  China has the biggest mouth in the world, and the a military with the best sprinters -- AWOL

Economically, Taiwan and Japan have already conquered China. The highest margin, critical electronics components are exported by Japan into China, assembled in China using cheap Chinese labor in Taiwanese owned factories, and then shipped globally under American brands. Chinese do the assembly, the lowest margin job. Robots will soon replace them. That or Vietnamese who are alot easier to employ. Chinese are lucky to even have a fucking job.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 17:17 | 2808536 Zeilschip
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I stopped reading after "Economically, Taiwan and Japan have already conquered China." I'll regard it as "wishful thinking" on your part.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:49 | 2806954 Totentänzerlied
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But the people of China, particularly the young males, will be the ones who actually get what the government has coming. The party apparatus responsible will be safe in their bunkers.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:12 | 2807041 Overfed
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The sad thing is that it's never the motherfuckin' politicians who start the war that end up paying the price. It's the poor dumb bastards who think they are being patriotic to their country who pay. Dearly.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:37 | 2806364 Bartanist
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Was it "The Mouse that Roared", where a small country declares was on the imperial power so that they can receive war reparations after they are defreated.

Maybe this is a test of Chinese readiness for war... and Japan got volunteered.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:35 | 2806507 mrdenis
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City of life and death .....naking ceremony ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2RQkMtgVUI

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:21 | 2806336 fonzannoon
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This is a huge deal. I could see the dow giving up 3 points on this before it recovers.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:26 | 2806481 Oh regional Indian
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Nice!! 

Anyone ever notice that DOW is 3/4th's of DOWN?

DOW Jones Locker?

ori

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:22 | 2806338 razsil
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This reminds me Occupy Wall St. in some ways. They should learn here where Occupy failed to implement any real chagne. If they really want the Japanese out of China they should have a "what to do" proposal not just "what not to do" proposal.

People are moved by great stories that brings them want to act. Like this article - Tell Me a Story - http://rsilberman.com/?p=655 - shows, people buy stories. The occupy story was half baked. It told us what is wrong in the world, but never told us what the new world will look like and how it will work.

To drive any change successful and for the long term people should create a solution and a new vision that will cause their following to act. Just a negative one can work for a short time, but won't bring to any real change, except making the demonstrators well known.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:31 | 2806355 trebuchet
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1000 fishing boats with nationalist sentiment is not a handful of anti -capitalists espousing peace and love instead of Greed on wall street.

 

- > they get to Senkaku but could be fired on. China protests

-> they land 

-> Japanese army comes to evict

-> China says "you cant evict our citizens from our own territory"  Sends Army..... S&P500 - 500/1000

3 months in war  -10% trade etc

OR  Japan protests, goes to UN etc,   3 years in court, -10% trade etc

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:08 | 2807027 Totentänzerlied
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"1000 fishing boats with nationalist sentiment is not a handful of anti -capitalists espousing peace and love instead of Greed on wall street."

Neither is OWS, but they are just as fucking ignorant, naive, and stupid, though not one tenth as bold as these Asians.

None of that is going to happen.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:37 | 2806367 Urban Redneck
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The oligarchs don't want change, they want their astroturf Chia-pets to do as instucted and further their interests.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:50 | 2806397 kridkrid
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You should write a self-help book for protesters. What if there is no solution?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:14 | 2806447 EvlTheCat
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Here is the title: Razsil: If You Can't Dazzle Them With Brilliance, Baffle Them With Bullshit!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:11 | 2806439 Julian
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OWS didnt fail because it couldn't tell a good story, it failed because it was squashed by the State and the apathy of the US people.  It's the same in all Western nation states...it will gain traction only when the majority are hungry and desperate.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:24 | 2806343 New_Meat
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This is a "spontaneous" demonstration. - Ned

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:29 | 2806347 LongSoupLine
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That's odd...none of this is on the MSM.

 

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:34 | 2806359 Bartanist
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Yes it is odd if it is being used as a pretense for war, like the Middle East show for the masses. Maybe it is just for te benefit of the Chinese masses, and not the US masses.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:06 | 2806425 a growing concern
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So who here thinks that the current demonstrations at our embassies in the Middle East "over a video on Youtube" are more likely the result of a deliberate operation of our government to garner some sort of unifying sentiment mere weeks before the election?  Seems strangely timed, just like the "Bin Laden raid" which conveniently diverted all talk of our president's citizenship status.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:26 | 2806479 New_Meat
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no, no, no, they're spontaneous I tell ya!

Just like, what? dozens of OWS pods starting on the same date. </sarc>

- Ned

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:15 | 2807053 Overfed
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Wag the Dog. People thought that was a fictional movie.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:17 | 2806457 merizobeach
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Bingo.  There's a suspicious voice in my mind saying President Hu may not be inclined to hand over power smoothly.  VP Xi's motorcade allegedly getting double T-boned by jeeps doesn't bode well for his future administration, not to mention his longevity.  A debilitated annointed successor and a military conflict might prompt some kind of "emergency preservation of stability" in the government--in the end, Hu pulls a Putin and sets himself up to be the next Great Chairman.  That would surprise me less than the CCP pulling off another smooth handover of leadership.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:33 | 2806501 Oh regional Indian
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See Hu?

Xi? 

Hu Said there is nothing to Xi here...

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:39 | 2806516 ZeroAvatar
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Whatever it is you're smoking, I'll PASS.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:12 | 2807040 Totentänzerlied
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Wen?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:30 | 2806491 trebuchet
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The US could get pulled into it, and protests to turn anti US as well

Post WWII, Japanese war crimes tribunal only covered actions in Pacific, not Machuria, where many Japanese skipped investigation after years of lethal research on Chinese people - US gave them "immunity" in exchange for "results".

 

China still got scores to settle since WWII

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:11 | 2806440 taxpayer102
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China MSM :

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn      China NY Times
eng.chinamil.com.cn                         Defense Dept
navy.81.cn                                       Navy
www.cntv.cn                                      China CNN

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:27 | 2806484 Bogdog
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Jeez. That just looks like a chinese version of Volkischer Beobachter circa 1933.

Funny stuff, but I'm not laughing.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:30 | 2806349 Peter Pan
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Things are improving. The Greeks launched a thousand ships to get Helen of Troy back. The Chinese are now launching a thousand fishing boats to get some islands back. Soomeone in China has been reading the Greek myths.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:24 | 2806471 chindit13
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Before they head out to sea, they might want to read some 16th Century Spanish history.  It's still typhoon season.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:30 | 2806350 malikai
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Nationalism as required cover for economic and political problems.

Nobody could see this one coming.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:43 | 2806378 Muppet Pimp
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Exactly. This issue will be around until the economic problems are resolved in China. If domestic conditions deteriorate this issue will just get bigger and bigger.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:48 | 2806390 malikai
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You got to hand it to the party. They have executed this brilliantly. Perfect timing, perfect organization, perfect execution.

I'll give them 10/10 if they can finish it without starting another war. If there is another war, it's -100/10.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:28 | 2806485 moskov
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more like Japan was trying hard to stir up big nationalism to distract its sheeple from blaming gov on Fukushima and Economic collapse.

The status quo of that island has been unchanged for years and suddenly Japan decided to ''Nationalise'' the island and throw the controversy of that island into the roof.

I wonder if you are blind to see that coming?

Japanese are very good provokers of conflicts just like they did in Manchuria Incident and Pearl Harbor

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:33 | 2806498 malikai
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No, I'm not blind to that in the least bit. I commented on the Chinese response, not the Japanese provocation.

Japan certainly has this newfound energy problem, doesn't she? How convenient that these islands are located so close to an oil/gas field, however petty it may be.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:56 | 2806570 moskov
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That's why you need to get the full story.

The Fukushima is still leaking million tons of radioactive water into the Pacific and they are not doing anything about it. It's clearly far worse than the Chernobyl and the IAEA (The head is a Japanese) literally turning a blind eye to them just because Japan is different from USSR.

Actually Japan has disputed islands with South Korea and Russia too, those islands also have oil/gas field, I would like to see how far could United States go to afford a trans-pacific nuclear war because of the US-JAPAN security treaty.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:45 | 2807164 Chaos_Theory
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and social...perfect chance to clear out those 24 million Chinese men looking at a lack of Chinese females to marry. 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:30 | 2806352 Bartanist
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I don't know the entire story of the islands, but the entire situation seems to be clearly fabricated. Why now? Why there? What did Japan have to gain ... obviously nothing.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:20 | 2806463 CH1
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Remember, there is way more nationalism and racism in the Far East than there is in the US. WAAAYYY more.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:34 | 2806504 AnAnonymous
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Remember, there is way more nationalism and racism in the Far East than there is in the US. WAAAYYY more.
_______________________

And how could that be?

Racism is tied to 'Americanism'

It takes 'americans' to see a dispute between people of the same race and throw in the race card.

But hey, US citizenism is as US citizen does and 'Americans' are known to see what they want to see, not what is to be seen.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 12:12 | 2807309 Totentänzerlied
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Since when do Japanese and Chinese consider themselves the same race in a political sense? Chinese are xenophobic, Japanese even more so. If I remember correctly the Japanese had no problem eliminating large swathes of the 'inferior' Korean, Chinese, and Philippine people using more or less the same racial nationalist rhetoric as the Nazis. And it's not exactly a secret that the fairer- skinned Chinese, Korean, and Japanese consider themselves superior to their own darker-skinned countrymen, each other, and the Philippine, Indonesian, Polynesian, Indian, and Malaysian peoples.

You should take a page from MDB and at least try to present a consistent if insane facade.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 12:28 | 2807396 Mr. Magniloquent
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You must not be very well travelled. The Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans do not consider themselves ethnically equivalent to eachother. Most would take deep offense to such a statement. Comparitavely, racial tolerance in the USA is leagues beyond the rest of the world. Most countries have a fondness visitors and guests; however, try moving in next door, or marrying someone's daughter. You'll find that there are many racists within the world far worse than the USA.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:34 | 2806360 UGrev
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"Hey China.. Fukushima, fuku'd us... we need more land.. pleeeeeeease, can we haz islands?"

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:05 | 2806422 ZeroAvatar
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Yeah, I guess the Japs won't be moving into those Chinese ghost cities, after all.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:35 | 2806362 sudzee
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Cover for US boots on the ground in Syria?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:41 | 2806374 GetZeeGold
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Hey.....we smoked their asses in Uganda....don't push us Amigo.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:37 | 2806366 trebuchet
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China's view:

 

"In fact, Japan has put the Diaoyu Islands under the "protection" of its coast guard, a paramilitary force, since it was handed them illegally by the United States in 1972 as part of the reversion of the Liu Chiu Islands to Japan."

..

"China has stressed time and time again that it will never back down on issues of sovereignty.

We hope that these words will be heeded and the Japanese government opens the door to permit a peaceful resolution."

 

This is far more than a "don't short the Euro" speech

 

 

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:44 | 2806382 Urban Redneck
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Perhaps the Chinks would be believable if they behaved as a responsible Nation State and were willing to persue negotiation or arbitration, instead of using the divide and conquer approach to settle maritime boundary differences.

Chinese Citizinism shit stink as much as Flat Eye's

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:53 | 2806405 trebuchet
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When you have a 3000+ year history of cultural and economic dominance in your patch of the woods you tend to tae great pride in that. 

Both countries have that. 

China got lots of internal politics that can benefit from a showdown with Japan, they need Japan less than Japan needs them. 

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 12:19 | 2807352 Totentänzerlied
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If you're a nationalistic fool who enjoys playing right into the hands of your masters who could literally not care a single bit less about you or your nation or its culture.

Nations are for little people. The Chinese protestors don't own 3,000 years of Chinese history, they don't own any Chinese history beyond what their own hands have done, ditto the Japanese and everyone else on this planet. Pride is earned by persons, not by peoples or nations. Nationalism is a religion. It is a three-ring circus for the idiot masses to distract themselves with. The leaders are laughing at them for being so stupid and so willing to follow.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:29 | 2806490 malikai
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I've been all over the world. And I can tell you that in my experience, we all behave the same. The only thing that seperates us is our habits.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:35 | 2806510 AnAnonymous
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if they behaved as a responsible Nation State and were willing to persue negotiation or arbitration,

________________

That is what responsible nation states do? Well, that excludes 'american' nations as being responsible nation states.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 13:05 | 2807505 akak
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Responsible nation states also do not invade and annex their neighbors (e.g., Tibet), much less then dilute the native population by displacing them while settling hundreds of thousands of the invader's citizens (meanwhile attacking and undermining the native culture) under the hypocritical guise of "liberating" them.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:41 | 2806520 AnAnonymous
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"In fact, Japan has put the Diaoyu Islands under the "protection" of its coast guard, a paramilitary force, since it was handed them illegally by the United States in 1972 as part of the reversion of the Liu Chiu Islands to Japan."

__________________

The US distributing wealth that they do not own around. The 'american' way.

Thieving is must do when one wants to grow richer: no matter how much you earn each day, if you manage to snatch that candy bar from the kid down the street, you are one candy bar richer.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 12:55 | 2807494 akak
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Chinese citizens distributing hypocritizenism that they are too ashamed to keep around.  The Chinese Citizenism way.

Theiving is must do when Chinese citizens want to grow richer: no matter how much you earn in the sweatshop each day, if you manage to snatch Tibet from that "foreign devil" down the street, you are one very large resource-rich new province of great Middle Kingdom richer.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:38 | 2806368 Quinvarius
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This is like when Western bankers and politicans start wars to cover up their own ineptitude and try to unite the nation behind them.  But this time it is China.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:40 | 2806373 LULZBank
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They are learning fast.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:46 | 2806379 GetZeeGold
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It only cost them billions of dollars........want to learn some more?

 

If so.....I'll hook you up with my cousin Vinnie in New Jersey.

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:38 | 2806515 AnAnonymous
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Nope. Chinese trouble brewing is 'americanism' rearing its face in China.

Typical 'american' demonstrations.

China, from an 'american' perspective, is in pre theft era. China is in the same situation as the colonies in 1770s: a burgeoning middle class waiting in the antichamber to rob around to fuel its own growth.

One thing to ever remember: one deep cause of the 'american' revolution was that the King protected the Indians' right to protest and supressed the burgeoning middle class greedy expansionist scheme.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:39 | 2806370 orangegeek
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Major conflicts usually occur at or near the bottom of the market.  We would need to see a large drop very soon.

 

http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/standard-poors-500-daily-september-17-2...

 

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:50 | 2806377 crusty curmudgeon
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I just returned from a whitehouse press statement:  This has nothing to do with hostilities between china and japan.  This is all a direct result of some guy's posting of an image on farcebook with Calvin, wearing a japanese headband, peeing on the great wall.

There are no persons capable of stooping so low as those who desire to rise in the world.  Lady Marguerite Blessington

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:45 | 2806387 Archduke
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Japan has neither the resources nor the demographics to sustain its claim.

Previous history also makes it politically difficult to find friends in the region.

 

One possibility exists: Taiwain.  Taipei has mixed feelings about Japan, which

is a hell of  a lot better than outright bellicosity, and Taiwainese society is in a

similar bind with respect to the might of mainland expansionism.  Plus, the islands

are physically closer to Formossa than any other state.   It's a big ask, given that

the old guard Kuo Ming Tang blame Japanese Mandchuria for the break up of China,

but the "communists" are by far a more loathful enemy.  Ceding the islands to a

newly created nippo-taiwanese federation would consolidate the US-backed

balanced of power in the region, and allow all parties to save face.

 

hey, maybe singapore could also join up.  that would be cool.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:51 | 2806399 kralizec
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I'll buy that for a dollar!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:59 | 2806414 trebuchet
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very unlikely to happen. 

 

China claiming those islands because they are part of Taiwan  (= China :-)) so it has made up bits to it.

Which makes it EVEN scarier

 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:49 | 2806394 kralizec
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War for everybody, too damn many people on this planet and not enough hopium for all of them.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:51 | 2806401 eddiebe
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Ok., here's some sarcasm: Americans can hope the Japs and the Chinks start blasting each other, so we can all have jobs making and selling them whatever it takes to blast each other. Just hope they don't kill each other off, because then we'll all be out of jobs again.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:51 | 2806403 Julian
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how do you say Black Swan with a Chinese accent?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 07:57 | 2806411 booboo
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Japan invaded the mainland 10 years before Pearl Harbor, big wars take time. Relax, have a cup of mud and continue to prepare.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:20 | 2806459 ZeroAvatar
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News, today:

 

-China to build 82 new airports by 2015 (none needed)

-China approves 2 new steel plants (has overcapacity, now)

-China buying gold like there's no tomorrow (my own words)

-China has warned US, ISRAEL it will intervene if Iran attacked...

-China is Tehran's largest trade partner, investor, and: OIL CUSTOMER!

-China to pay for oil with gold, bypass petrodollar......

-(Plus, all the ghost cities, refurbishing cruise ships into battle cruisers, and on and on....)

 

China has been preparing for war, at least for the last decade.  China is about to assume the role of the World's new superpower.

 

China INVENTED gunpowder.  Please, do NOT underestimate what millions of frustrated young men are capable of.

 

As someone posted earlier on a different blog, "Lock and load, boys.  Shoot'em like the dogs they are".

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:23 | 2806470 eddiebe
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I'm saving my ammo for the banksters of any nationality.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:46 | 2806942 Jethro
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"Please, do NOT underestimate what millions of frustrated young men are capable of."  I need to be selling sheep to China....

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:57 | 2806983 Sandmann
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China to eat its own exports as EU and USA say Tariffs look pretty and Chinese consumers should take more time off work to buy their own products.  Chinese Communist Party finds credit binge runs out of control as foreigners close factories

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:07 | 2806598 blabam
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The US invasion of Afghanistan (prevent pipeline from Iran to China) was the start of the coming clusterfuck. 

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:33 | 2807091 Overfed
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Ding! Ding! Ding! There's a dot that many fail to connect when they ask why the US would permit/instigate the 9/11 "terror attack". A very important dot, indeed.

A pipeline from Iran to China not only allows circumvention of the Petrodollar, but circumvention of the US Navy's ability to do anything about it.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:10 | 2806437 Fred123
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I've had conversations with a few Chinese and they are unbelievable ignorant of history - especially their own. They have no clue that dear leader Mao killed 20x more chinese than the Japanese did. You folks better hope that China starts cracking up and spends their time smashing their citizens rather than messing with other countries.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:27 | 2806483 ZeroAvatar
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When the Nukes start landing on Mainland U.S, China, and Russia, at least the Chinks have 'backup' cities.

 

BTW, no protests in Dearborn, MI?  (No muzzies there, huh?)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:57 | 2806572 Hobbleknee
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The backup cities are for all the world's elite.  They're all on the same team.  We're the enemies.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:33 | 2806503 ZeroAvatar
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Whadaminit:  None of this is really happening, is it?

 

My wife's getting ready for work, has her little morning TV news going:

 

Nothing but Unicorns, Butterflies, and Rainbows.  War between China and Japan?

 

FUHGEDABOUDIT!  (Or better yet, don't even hear about it in the 1st place!)

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:48 | 2806541 boeing747
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Fred123,where did you learn Chinese history? In Mao era, total Chinese population was about 10x of numbers of people were killed by Japs.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:03 | 2806588 moskov
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Mao is dead. and Japs are not.

Mao era is ended and Japs are keeping up the spirit of WW2 warcriminals through their practise of politics. Don't believe me? ask not just the Japanese, but the residents of Korean penisula and Taiwan.

Or should I say, well done to Japan for bombing the hell of Pearl Harbor. Wish them a great big nuclear revenge to wipe off America for its warcrime on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:52 | 2806552 B_V
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Hard to take the analysis seriously when someone refers to "battleships".

Per Wikipedia - "With the decommissioning of the last Iowa-class ships, no battleships remain in service (including in reserve) with any navy worldwide".  "Warships" might be the term to use going forward.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 08:56 | 2806565 Hobbleknee
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You know there are blue berries and there are berries that are blue.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:14 | 2806625 B_V
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Machine gun, pistol, musket, battleship, aircraft carrier, submarine, why bother using the proper term?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:15 | 2806627 lemarche
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Main problem I see for Japan is that they do NOT have an army... OUPS !!!

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:18 | 2806634 Element
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"First, overnight the HKEJ said that China is preparing economic sanctions against Japan,"

 

Code for trade war?

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:25 | 2806651 TheObsoleteMan
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What the Chinese need to do, is get some jooish attorneys and sue Japan for HOLOCAUST REPARATIONS! Then they can claim the islands as payment.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:28 | 2806868 Zwelgje
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The islands are already theirs.

Japan took them by force in the 19th century.

The US in '45.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:15 | 2807055 TheObsoleteMan
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Sorry, but I don't buy into the:"The land was mine until you took it away" arguement. If you fought for it, and won it at the cost of blood, it's yours. What is sad, is that the USA is being colonized without even putting up a fight. we deserve to lose it.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 11:52 | 2807195 Chaos_Theory
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Tibet just called and suggested a trade, as long as the defining issue is how territory was acquired (cough cough cough invasion). 

Japan should just build a nuclear reactor on the islands, and then Fukishima it.  Then, hand the glowing rocks back.  'Course, PRC doesn't give a flying f-ck about the above-sea level land, as opposed to the underwater EEZ...

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:26 | 2806656 Herkimer Jerkimer
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And when China grabs the auto feed plants of Japan?

 

Ahh... They'll never do that.

 

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V-V

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 09:45 | 2806715 suteibu
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Among other issues between the two nations, consider this:  China is threatening US ally Japan as a counterbalance for US threats against Chinese ally Iran.  "Risk" writ large.

Meanwhile, Japan is dependent on the US for protection but the US is taking a powder on this one. 

From Nikkei...

Okinawa Required For U.S. Defense Of N.E. Asia, Not Japan: 1967 Document

 

TOKYO (Kyodo)--A high-ranking U.S. official based on Okinawa made clear in 1967 that the United States did not need the Pacific island to defend Japan but rather for the security of Northeast Asia, according to Japanese diplomatic records declassified Tuesday.

 

The remark, made just before the government of Prime Minister Eisaku Sato launched full-fledged negotiations with the United States for the island's reversion to Japanese control, suggests that the U.S. side was focused on Okinawa's geopolitical importance for the security of the region.

 

That stands in contrast with the long-held position of the Japanese government, which has viewed U.S. forces stationed on Okinawa as a necessary deterrent for the country's defense.

Among those intersts are US corporate investments in China.  Among those corporate interests are potential South China Sea oil exploration deals, real reason for this island dispute.  So, the US has a conflict of interest that does not bode well for the Japanese.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 10:01 | 2806761 Calmyourself
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Understand Japan is loading plutonium pits or can very, very quickly and the Chinese know that MAD once initiated never ends..

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 12:33 | 2807383 easterner
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In 1889, after the first sino-japanese war, China was defeated and signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki - China ceded DiaoYu island, group of small islands considered part of Taiwan:

"Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Penghu group, Taiwan and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki

In 1943, as part of the allies during WWII, China, US, UK, made the Cairo Declaration:

"...

All territories Japan had won from China, such as Manchuria (Dongbei), Formosa (Taiwan), and the Pescadores (Penghu), shall be restored to the Republic of China.

..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration

In 1945, Potsdam Declaration:

"...

Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine." As had been announced in the Cairo Declaration in 1943.

..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration

So, after WWII, Japan has no sovereign claim over anywhere except its four major islands. Before 1972, DiaYu Island was under US administration, and served as some sort of weapon testing ground. In 1972, US transferred the "administration right" to Japan, intentionally leaving a hot zone of conflicts in the East Asian area.

Since then, there was a gentlemen's agreement between China and Japan, that the issue be put aside, so the two countries could cooperation in a broader economic and political range. However, as yuo already know, the Japanese government attempted to "nationalize" the island and change the "administration right" into ownership, that is the reason of the recent flare up in the region(could this be the price Hilary Clinton stated that China would pay after China and Russia veto the UN Syria resolution for the third time?).

Make no mistake, this is a serious strategic miscalculation on the part of Japan and US. This action of Japan is not only act of aggression towards China's sovereignty, but also an act of challenging the post WWII world order. By encouraging Japan's reckless action, US is putting the current world order in danger, and ultimately will hurt its own interests. They assume China would just take it in their ass. But China actually has been preparing for this kind of war for the last decade (DF 21D ballistic missile, aka "air carrier killer", land base anti-satellite missile, aka "satellite killer", and formidable submarine power, etc.), which would deter US intervention.

At this very moment, China has sent 12 more patrol ships to the waters of Diayu Island, and I don't see any possibilities of compromise. Either Japan back down and leave the island, or a major war.

P.S, in 1949, China splitted into P.R. of China and R. of China(Taiwan), so both have claim over DiaoYu Island. It is a great news that both sides are co-operating against Japan during the current conflict.

Tue, 09/18/2012 - 17:59 | 2808667 chum bucket
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